From hendee at aoml.noaa.gov Wed Nov 1 05:08:20 2000 From: hendee at aoml.noaa.gov (Jim Hendee) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:08:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000 Message-ID: Dear Coral-Listers, The "Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000" brocure (PDF document, by Clive Wilkison, Global Coordinator) is now posted on the Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network (GCRMN) page at http://www.coral.noaa.gov/gcrmn/. This is the brocure handed out at the 9ICRS conference in Bali. Cheers, Jim From astrong at nesdis.noaa.gov Wed Nov 1 09:26:16 2000 From: astrong at nesdis.noaa.gov (Al Strong) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 09:26:16 -0500 Subject: terrible news References: <20001101115612.23038.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A002808.1119DE94@nesdis.noaa.gov> The flight we took diverted over Taiwan on Sunday to avoid Typhoon Xangsange, that was over Manila at that time. From the attached tracking image for this typhoon it appears it was over southern Taiwan yesterday afternoon (EST) and moving toward Taipei. Position 26 is at 18Z/31 Oct and 27 at 00Z/1 Nov. Sounds like Flight #6 was trying to beat the storm....? I echo Colette's thoughts for any who may have had loved ones on Flight #6...tragic... Al Strong Colette Wabnitz wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I just got back from the Bali Conference 2 days; my heart dropped and > stomach went into a knot when I heard about the plane crash last night. > > I wanted to wish my heartfelt sympathy to anyone who had love ones on > board and to say that my thoughts go out to all of you. > > Colette Wabnitz > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. > http://experts.yahoo.com/ -- **** <>< ******* <>< ******* <>< ******* <>< ******* Alan E. Strong Phys Scientist/Oceanographer NOAA/NESDIS/ORA/ORAD -- E/RA3 NOAA Science Center -- RM 711W 5200 Auth Road Camp Springs, MD 20746-4304 Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov 301-763-8102 x170 FAX: 301-763-8108 http://orbit-net.nesdis.noaa.gov/orad -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: track_xangsane.gif Type: image/gif Size: 10888 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001101/d0d77f47/attachment.gif From Mark.Eakin at noaa.gov Wed Nov 1 10:47:06 2000 From: Mark.Eakin at noaa.gov (Mark Eakin) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:47:06 -0700 Subject: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson References: <200011010950.JAA60890@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: <3A003AF6.DDB218ED@noaa.gov> Singapore Airlines has placed information on Flight SQ006 at the top of their web page. It can be found at: http://www.singaporeair.com/ Included in the information is a list of Passengers and Crew, as well as lists of those Accounted For and Unaccounted For. Paul Blanchon is the only Coral Reef name that I recognized from a quick survey of the list. He is both on the Passenger List and the Accounted For list. I hope that Accounted For means he is safe. Mark EricHugo at aol.com wrote: > To say I am an emotional wreck right now would be an understatement. > > I was just on Singapore Airlines flight SQ6 from Taipei 24 hours ago, with > Gregor across the aisle from me. Gregor, please contact me. > > I want to wish my sympathy to all those who had loved ones on board, but > mostly to find out if there were any on board coming back from the Bali > convention. I am shaking and very very concerned over this event. > > Eric Borneman -- C. Mark Eakin, Ph.D. Chief of NOAA Paleoclimatology Program and Director of the World Data Center for Paleoclimatology NOAA/National Geophysical Data Center 325 Broadway E/GC DSRC 1B139 Boulder, CO 80305-3328 Voice: 303-497-6172 Fax: 303-497-6513 Internet: mark.eakin at noaa.gov http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/paleo.html From Bprecht at pbsj.com Wed Nov 1 11:03:02 2000 From: Bprecht at pbsj.com (Precht, Bill) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:03:02 -0600 Subject: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson Message-ID: <53BEAAB43520D4119CAE00902785C38A08B8E6@MIAMIMBX.pbsj.com> To Paul Blanchon.... if you are safe and sound back in Mexico.... please let us know! thanks... Bill Precht -----Original Message----- From: Mark Eakin [mailto:Mark.Eakin at noaa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 10:47 AM To: coral-list Subject: Re: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson Singapore Airlines has placed information on Flight SQ006 at the top of their web page. It can be found at: http://www.singaporeair.com/ Included in the information is a list of Passengers and Crew, as well as lists of those Accounted For and Unaccounted For. Paul Blanchon is the only Coral Reef name that I recognized from a quick survey of the list. He is both on the Passenger List and the Accounted For list. I hope that Accounted For means he is safe. Mark EricHugo at aol.com wrote: > To say I am an emotional wreck right now would be an understatement. > > I was just on Singapore Airlines flight SQ6 from Taipei 24 hours ago, with > Gregor across the aisle from me. Gregor, please contact me. > > I want to wish my sympathy to all those who had loved ones on board, but > mostly to find out if there were any on board coming back from the Bali > convention. I am shaking and very very concerned over this event. > > Eric Borneman -- C. Mark Eakin, Ph.D. Chief of NOAA Paleoclimatology Program and Director of the World Data Center for Paleoclimatology NOAA/National Geophysical Data Center 325 Broadway E/GC DSRC 1B139 Boulder, CO 80305-3328 Voice: 303-497-6172 Fax: 303-497-6513 Internet: mark.eakin at noaa.gov http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/paleo.html From gjgast at freeler.nl Wed Nov 1 14:38:28 2000 From: gjgast at freeler.nl (GJ Gast) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:38:28 +1:00 Subject: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson In-Reply-To: <200011010950.JAA60890@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: <3A002AE4.896.AFA544@localhost> Dear Eric, I am glad to read you are alive! There are lists of names of people accounted for and unaccounted for on the airline webpage: http://www.singaporeair.com/ under headings report 7.1 and 7.2 respectively. However, neither you nor Gregor are on either of the 2 lists nor the passenger list (report 4, passenger/crew list). Paul Blanchon was in the plane, but has survived as he has been interviewed by CNN http://www.cnn.com/2000/ASIANOW/east/11/01/taiwan.crash/index.html click TRANSCRIPT of interview with survivor. There are no other names I recognise, but then, I don't know all Bali participants. Please let us know if you find Gregor. I wish you strength. We are with you. Good luck, GJ. > To say I am an emotional wreck right now would be an understatement. > > I was just on Singapore Airlines flight SQ6 from Taipei 24 hours ago, with > Gregor across the aisle from me. Gregor, please contact me. > > I want to wish my sympathy to all those who had loved ones on board, but > mostly to find out if there were any on board coming back from the Bali > convention. I am shaking and very very concerned over this event. > > Eric Borneman > > =============================================== Dr. Gert Jan Gast Oostelijke Handelskade 31 1019BL Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Phone int 31 (0)20 4198607 Please use as primary address for large attachments. My permanent email address is . Please remove from your address book. It can't be used web-based and will stop some time in the future. From Bprecht at pbsj.com Wed Nov 1 11:26:45 2000 From: Bprecht at pbsj.com (Precht, Bill) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:26:45 -0600 Subject: Taipei flight Message-ID: <53BEAAB43520D4119CAE00902785C38A08B8E7@MIAMIMBX.pbsj.com> I also understand that Rick Nemeth from Univ. of the Virgin Islands is also on the "accounted for" list. Anyone with information... please let us all know ASAP. Prayers to all and their families. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Precht, Bill [mailto:Bprecht at pbsj.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:03 AM To: 'mark.eakin at noaa.gov'; coral-list Subject: RE: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson To Paul Blanchon.... if you are safe and sound back in Mexico.... please let us know! thanks... Bill Precht -----Original Message----- From: Mark Eakin [mailto:Mark.Eakin at noaa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 10:47 AM To: coral-list Subject: Re: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson Singapore Airlines has placed information on Flight SQ006 at the top of their web page. It can be found at: http://www.singaporeair.com/ Included in the information is a list of Passengers and Crew, as well as lists of those Accounted For and Unaccounted For. Paul Blanchon is the only Coral Reef name that I recognized from a quick survey of the list. He is both on the Passenger List and the Accounted For list. I hope that Accounted For means he is safe. Mark EricHugo at aol.com wrote: > To say I am an emotional wreck right now would be an understatement. > > I was just on Singapore Airlines flight SQ6 from Taipei 24 hours ago, with > Gregor across the aisle from me. Gregor, please contact me. > > I want to wish my sympathy to all those who had loved ones on board, but > mostly to find out if there were any on board coming back from the Bali > convention. I am shaking and very very concerned over this event. > > Eric Borneman -- C. Mark Eakin, Ph.D. Chief of NOAA Paleoclimatology Program and Director of the World Data Center for Paleoclimatology NOAA/National Geophysical Data Center 325 Broadway E/GC DSRC 1B139 Boulder, CO 80305-3328 Voice: 303-497-6172 Fax: 303-497-6513 Internet: mark.eakin at noaa.gov http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/paleo.html From mtoscano at nesdis.noaa.gov Wed Nov 1 11:39:31 2000 From: mtoscano at nesdis.noaa.gov (Marguerite A. Toscano, Ph.D.) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:39:31 -0500 Subject: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson References: <200011010950.JAA60890@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> <3A003AF6.DDB218ED@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <3A004743.9606814C@nesdis.noaa.gov> Mark, I also scanned the list and found Dr. Sally Walker (U of Georgia), a friend and a symposium participant. I called her office and was told she is safe. I emailed Paul Blanchon and hope to hear from him soon. Maggie Toscano Mark Eakin wrote: > Singapore Airlines has placed information on Flight SQ006 at the top of their > web page. It can be found at: > http://www.singaporeair.com/ > > Included in the information is a list of Passengers and Crew, as well as > lists of those Accounted For and Unaccounted For. Paul Blanchon is the only > Coral Reef name that I recognized from a quick survey of the list. He is > both on the Passenger List and the Accounted For list. I hope that Accounted > For means he is safe. > > Mark > > EricHugo at aol.com wrote: > > > To say I am an emotional wreck right now would be an understatement. > > > > I was just on Singapore Airlines flight SQ6 from Taipei 24 hours ago, with > > Gregor across the aisle from me. Gregor, please contact me. > > > > I want to wish my sympathy to all those who had loved ones on board, but > > mostly to find out if there were any on board coming back from the Bali > > convention. I am shaking and very very concerned over this event. > > > > Eric Borneman > > -- > C. Mark Eakin, Ph.D. > Chief of NOAA Paleoclimatology Program and > Director of the World Data Center for Paleoclimatology > > NOAA/National Geophysical Data Center > 325 Broadway E/GC > DSRC 1B139 > Boulder, CO 80305-3328 > Voice: 303-497-6172 Fax: 303-497-6513 > Internet: mark.eakin at noaa.gov > http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/paleo.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mtoscano.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 476 bytes Desc: Card for Marguerite A. Toscano, Ph.D. Url : http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001101/95810827/attachment.vcf From rosaer at mar.icmyl.unam.mx Wed Nov 1 23:57:22 2000 From: rosaer at mar.icmyl.unam.mx (Rosa Elisa =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rodr=ECguez_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=ECnez?=) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:57:22 -0600 Subject: Taipei flight Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20001102045722.006873ac@mar.icmyl.unam.mx> For those concerned, Drs. Paul Blanchon, Roberto Iglesias and Suzana Enriquez from the National University of Mexico were in the Taipei flight and are all safe and will return to Mexico soon. Sincerely, M. en C. Rosa Elisa Rodr?guez Mart?nez Unidad Acad?mica Puerto Morelos Instituto de Ciencias del Mar y Limnolog?a, U.N.A.M. Ap. Postal 1152 77500 Canc?n, Q. Roo, M?xico Tel. (987) 102-19 Fax (987) 101-38 Tel. cel. (98) 10-39-07 e-mail: rosaer at mar.icmyl.unam.mx From EricHugo at aol.com Wed Nov 1 11:57:37 2000 From: EricHugo at aol.com (EricHugo at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:57:37 EST Subject: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson Message-ID: <5c.2a9f3ce.2731a581@aol.com> Dear List: Gregor and I were on the previous night's Flight SQ006, to any that may have been confused by the first post. The weather was not good that night before, either, and I was strangely uneasy during that entire flight. To think that plane made one more trip back, and to think of the hundred ways in which I might have been on that flight - if I had stayed an extra day, gone on a dive trip, missed my flight, etc. Somehow, it has made my life that much more precious. On the passenger list, I noticed a Roberto Iglesias - I hope and assume this is not Roberto Iglesias-Prieto? Best to all, and thanks to those who sent the passenger list and letters. Eric Borneman From corvid at mindspring.com Wed Nov 1 12:13:01 2000 From: corvid at mindspring.com (_._.) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:13:01 -0600 Subject: Taipei flight In-Reply-To: <3A002AE4.896.AFA544@localhost> References: <200011010950.JAA60890@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: Hello, Sally Walker was on that plane. She is among the "accounted" on the Singapore Airlines web site and is indeed alive, with some injury. Christopher J. Crow Department of Geological Sciences Box 870338 University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0338 205-348-5095 (office) 205-348-0818 (FAX) 205-919-5977 (cell) From prothen at uvi.edu Wed Nov 1 14:05:41 2000 From: prothen at uvi.edu (Paige Rothenberger) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:05:41 -0500 Subject: Taipei flight In-Reply-To: <53BEAAB43520D4119CAE00902785C38A08B8E7@MIAMIMBX.pbsj.com> Message-ID: Good Day All, Yes, Rick Nemeth was on the flight. He is one of the 16 people who walked away from the crash. It is my understanding that he crawled through the baggage compartment to escape. Needless to say we are all very thankful that he is ok. My thoughts are with everyone during this awful time, and I hope that we only hear good news about our friends. Paige Paige Rothenberger University of the Virgin Islands Center for Marine & Environmental Studies VI Marine Advisory Service (340) 779-3141 voice (340) 779-3388 fax See VIMAS on the web at http://rps.uvi.edu/vimas -----Original Message----- From: owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov]On Behalf Of Precht, Bill Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:27 AM To: coral-list Subject: RE: Taipei flight I also understand that Rick Nemeth from Univ. of the Virgin Islands is also on the "accounted for" list. Anyone with information... please let us all know ASAP. Prayers to all and their families. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Precht, Bill [mailto:Bprecht at pbsj.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:03 AM To: 'mark.eakin at noaa.gov'; coral-list Subject: RE: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson To Paul Blanchon.... if you are safe and sound back in Mexico.... please let us know! thanks... Bill Precht -----Original Message----- From: Mark Eakin [mailto:Mark.Eakin at noaa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 10:47 AM To: coral-list Subject: Re: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson Singapore Airlines has placed information on Flight SQ006 at the top of their web page. It can be found at: http://www.singaporeair.com/ Included in the information is a list of Passengers and Crew, as well as lists of those Accounted For and Unaccounted For. Paul Blanchon is the only Coral Reef name that I recognized from a quick survey of the list. He is both on the Passenger List and the Accounted For list. I hope that Accounted For means he is safe. Mark EricHugo at aol.com wrote: > To say I am an emotional wreck right now would be an understatement. > > I was just on Singapore Airlines flight SQ6 from Taipei 24 hours ago, with > Gregor across the aisle from me. Gregor, please contact me. > > I want to wish my sympathy to all those who had loved ones on board, but > mostly to find out if there were any on board coming back from the Bali > convention. I am shaking and very very concerned over this event. > > Eric Borneman -- C. Mark Eakin, Ph.D. Chief of NOAA Paleoclimatology Program and Director of the World Data Center for Paleoclimatology NOAA/National Geophysical Data Center 325 Broadway E/GC DSRC 1B139 Boulder, CO 80305-3328 Voice: 303-497-6172 Fax: 303-497-6513 Internet: mark.eakin at noaa.gov http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/paleo.html From dnemeth at coralworldvi.com Wed Nov 1 12:55:54 2000 From: dnemeth at coralworldvi.com (Donna Nemeth) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:55:54 -0400 Subject: Singapore Airlines Message-ID: My husband Rick Nemeth, who attended the conference in Bali was on Flight #006. He escaped without any injury, having been seated in the rear of the airplane. I apologize for not having more names, but he said that there was a couple and a single man on the flight that he knew from the conference that were ok as well. The couple suffered minor burns & cuts, but he thought that they were doing fine. Thanks for everyone's good wishes. Donna Nemeth, Ph.D. Curator Coral World 6450 Coki Point St. Thomas, USVI 00802 340-775-1555 x227 340-775-9068 (fax) dnemeth at coralworldvi.com www.coralworldvi.com ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>?. ???`?.?. , . .???`?.. ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?> From cowabnitz at yahoo.com Wed Nov 1 06:56:12 2000 From: cowabnitz at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Colette=20Wabnitz?=) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:56:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: lack of words Message-ID: <20001101115612.23038.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Hello everyone, I just got back from the Bali Conference 2 days; my heart dropped and stomach went into a knot when I heard about the plane crash last night. I wanted to wish my heartfelt sympathy to anyone who had love ones on board and to say that my thoughts go out to all of you. Colette Wabnitz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ From mcall at superaje.com Wed Nov 1 08:35:14 2000 From: mcall at superaje.com (Don McAllister) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:35:14 -0500 Subject: Rigs to Reefs Program References: <200010311257.MAA47867@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: <3A001C12.D5FBE33C@superaje.com> John McManus wrote: > Now that we know that 60% of the world's fisheries are overfished (at or > beyond MSY, which most modern fisheries scientists consider to be > overfished), a major consideration in evaluating the wisdom of putting in > artificial reefs is the contribution of the structures to enhancing > overfishing. If you can find a place that is not fished (good luck!) I agree with John that we need to be cautious about using artificial reefs to solve marine resource and especially biodiversity problems. Most artificial reefs are simplistic. A natural reef with several dozen if not hundreds of sessile species cannot easily be replaced by some concrete blocks, old tires, junked cars, boats or reef rigs. Sure in time they might provide a substrate for attachement of some of the said organisms. Though one still has to ask why did not nature do this over the last few hundred years. Priority needs to be given to identifying and solving the problems that caused the demise of fish stocks or biodiversity. Throwing together artificial reefs will not solve those problems and those problems will continue to afflict any regenerative capacity, small or other, that the artificial reef might have. I do not rule out artificial reefs in all cases. But their function, design, and siting needs profound consideration in circumstances which might justify their use. Above all we need some honest and full evaluations of existing artificial reefs, and some experiments with full before and after analyses to answer questions about recruitment to the structures in the long and short-term. don Don McAllister Ocean Voice International From rwatlin at webmail.uvi.edu Wed Nov 1 15:23:13 2000 From: rwatlin at webmail.uvi.edu (Roy Watlington) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:23:13 -0400 Subject: Taipei flight References: <53BEAAB43520D4119CAE00902785C38A08B8E7@MIAMIMBX.pbsj.com> Message-ID: <3A007BB1.E5204BB5@webmail.uvi.edu> Yes Bill, The University of the Virgin Islands has been informed that Rick Nemeth is accounted for and well. We hope to see him here soon. We join the entire coral-list in grieving the tragedy and extending our sympathy to those who had loved ones and acquaintances who were hurt or lost in the crash. Roy A. Watlington Interim Chancellor, St. Thomas Campus University of the Virgin Islands St. Thomas, V.I. 00802 "Precht, Bill" wrote: > I also understand that Rick Nemeth from Univ. of the Virgin Islands is also > on the "accounted for" list. > > Anyone with information... please let us all know ASAP. > > Prayers to all and their families. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Precht, Bill [mailto:Bprecht at pbsj.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:03 AM > To: 'mark.eakin at noaa.gov'; coral-list > Subject: RE: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson > > To Paul Blanchon.... if you are safe and sound back in Mexico.... please let > us know! > > thanks... > > Bill Precht > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Eakin [mailto:Mark.Eakin at noaa.gov] > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 10:47 AM > To: coral-list > Subject: Re: Taipei flight and G. Hodgson > > Singapore Airlines has placed information on Flight SQ006 at the top of > their > web page. It can be found at: > http://www.singaporeair.com/ > > Included in the information is a list of Passengers and Crew, as well as > lists of those Accounted For and Unaccounted For. Paul Blanchon is the only > Coral Reef name that I recognized from a quick survey of the list. He is > both on the Passenger List and the Accounted For list. I hope that > Accounted > For means he is safe. > > Mark > > EricHugo at aol.com wrote: > > > To say I am an emotional wreck right now would be an understatement. > > > > I was just on Singapore Airlines flight SQ6 from Taipei 24 hours ago, with > > Gregor across the aisle from me. Gregor, please contact me. > > > > I want to wish my sympathy to all those who had loved ones on board, but > > mostly to find out if there were any on board coming back from the Bali > > convention. I am shaking and very very concerned over this event. > > > > Eric Borneman > > -- > C. Mark Eakin, Ph.D. > Chief of NOAA Paleoclimatology Program and > Director of the World Data Center for Paleoclimatology > > NOAA/National Geophysical Data Center > 325 Broadway E/GC > DSRC 1B139 > Boulder, CO 80305-3328 > Voice: 303-497-6172 Fax: 303-497-6513 > Internet: mark.eakin at noaa.gov > http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/paleo.html From gregorh at ucla.edu Wed Nov 1 16:42:01 2000 From: gregorh at ucla.edu (Gregor Hodgson) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:42:01 -0800 Subject: Ladan Mohajerani Flight 006 References: <200011010950.JAA60890@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: <3A008E29.C482CAAA@ucla.edu> It is with great sadness that I report that Ms. Ladan Mohajerani, the Reef Check Operations Manager, was on Singapore Air flight 006 and is now listed as missing more than 24 hours after the event. I am assuming the worst. I was originally booked on the flight but changed reservations at the last minute. Ladan only worked with Reef Check for two months, so some of you probably know her better than I. Those of you who had the pleasure of meeting her will agree that she was a unique, lovely human being, with boundless enthusiasm, kindness and intelligence and a true love of the ocean and coral reefs. Assuming that no miracles occur, there will be a memorial service. It could possibly be of some comfort to her family if I could compile notes from her coral reef friends from afar that express how Ladan touched your lives, even if briefly. I would like to thank all of you who made her visit to Bali such a wonderful experience. -- Gregor Hodgson, PhD Director, Reef Check Foundation Professor (Visiting), Institute of the Environment 1652 Hershey Hall 149607 University of California at Los Angeles Los Angeles, CA 90095-1496 USA Office Tel: 310-794-4985 Fax: 310-825-0758 or 310-825-9663 Email: gregorh at ucla.edu Web: www.ReefCheck.org From keryea at mail.nsysu.edu.tw Wed Nov 1 19:42:08 2000 From: keryea at mail.nsysu.edu.tw (Soong) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:42:08 +0800 Subject: Taipei contact Message-ID: <3A00B85F.589495BD@mail.nsysu.edu.tw> Dear Coral list members: It is a shock to learn that there were persons from the conference on the flight #006. If you know anyone on the flight who can use our help, please either use e-mail or the following numbers. Taiwan contacts Shao, Kwang-tsao (Taipei, 0932152991,zoskt at gate.sinica.edu.tw) Dai, Chang-feng (Taipei, 02-23916693,corallab at ccms.ntu.edu.tw) Chen, Allen Chao-lun (Taipei, 02-27899549, cac at gate.sinica.edu.tw) Soong, Keryea (Kaohsiung, 07-5255109, 0933291942, keryea at mail.nsysu.edu.tw) The above persons were all in the conference. Among the 179 passengers and crew members, there are 99 survivors, of which about half of them have left hospitcal and gone home. The typhoon caused another 51 fatalities so far, the most serious I have seen. Sincerely Keryea Soong Taiwanese Coral Reef Society From cac at gate.sinica.edu.tw Wed Nov 1 20:49:48 2000 From: cac at gate.sinica.edu.tw (Allen Chen) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:49:48 +0800 Subject: Singapore flight #006-Taipei contact Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1012 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001102/2787a704/attachment.bin From dnemeth at coralworldvi.com Thu Nov 2 07:30:08 2000 From: dnemeth at coralworldvi.com (Donna Nemeth) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:30:08 -0400 Subject: Singapore Airline survivors Message-ID: Rick Nemeth will be leaving Taiwan in a few hours to come home. He wanted me to pass on to the list that Steve and Debra Brosnan also survived the crash with minor injuries, as well as Sally Walker, Paul Blanchon, Roberto Iglesias, and Susanna Enriquez. I believe they will be leaving Taiwan soon as well. Thank you to everyone for your network of support. Donna Nemeth, Ph.D. Curator Coral World 6450 Coki Point St. Thomas, USVI 00802 340-775-1555 x227 340-775-9068 (fax) dnemeth at coralworldvi.com www.coralworldvi.com ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>?. ???`?.?. , . .???`?.. ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?> From fautin at eagle.cc.ukans.edu Thu Nov 2 10:21:35 2000 From: fautin at eagle.cc.ukans.edu (FAUTIN DAPHNE G) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:21:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: Taipei flight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Her photo, in a hospital gown and with a nasal tube, was in a London newspaper yesterday. There was also one of Paul Blanchon and quotes from him. Daphne Fautin On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, _._. wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:13:01 -0600 > From: _._. > To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov > Subject: Re: Taipei flight > > Hello, > > Sally Walker was on that plane. She is among the "accounted" on the > Singapore Airlines web site and is indeed alive, with some injury. > > Christopher J. Crow > Department of Geological Sciences > Box 870338 > University of Alabama > Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0338 > > 205-348-5095 (office) > 205-348-0818 (FAX) > 205-919-5977 (cell) > Daphne G. Fautin Professor, Biological Sciences Curator, Natural History Museum and Biodiversity Research Center Haworth Hall University of Kansas 1200 Sunnyside Avenue Lawrence, Kansas 66045-7534 USA telephone 1-785-864-3062 fax 1-785-864-5321 for e-mail, please use fautin at ukans.edu lab web page: www.nhm.ukans.edu/~inverts direct to sea anemone database version 2.1: biocomplexity.nhm.ukans.edu/ anemones/images/Version.html From hlasker at buffalo.edu Thu Nov 2 07:27:49 2000 From: hlasker at buffalo.edu (Howard R Lasker) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 07:27:49 -0500 Subject: Bali illness Message-ID: <200011021530.PAA65354@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Hi Everyone, The meetings were great and Bali beautiful, which only intensifies the horror of the Singapore Air news. We have returned with a much milder problem which I am seeking some comparative information on. While at the meetings our son came down with a case of diarrhea and fever. It responded to sulfmethoxazole, but the fever (102/103) and super headache returned as soon as we got back and obviously is not responding to the continued course of antibiotic. Malaria has been ruled out, but we are otherwise in the guessing game of what is it and what will it respond to. I know there were a few diagnosed typhoid cases at the Sheraton and we are awaiting results on that as well. Has anyone else returned with similar symptoms and if so has the bug been diagnosed and what is it responding to? Please respond directly to me. Thanks, Howard Lasker Biological Sciences University at Buffalo Buffalo NY 14260 (716) 645-2881 (716) 645-2975 (FAX) From Tony.Lowery at noaa.gov Wed Nov 1 17:02:02 2000 From: Tony.Lowery at noaa.gov (Tony Lowery) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:02:02 -0600 Subject: Rigs to Reefs Program Message-ID: <200011021539.PAA65595@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Dear Rigs to Reefers; I agree with Don McAllister that before and after studies of rigs to reefs type artificial reefs should be carried out. It is true that most of the junk thrown overboard as artificial reef materials provide 1) poor attachment surfaces for biofouling, encrusting, and attachment of sessile invertebrates, and 2) an insufficient suite of nooks and crannies for the smaller reef type invertebrates and fishes to harbor into avoid predation. Therefore without adequate surface area and harborage for the smaller non-sessile organisms (esp. esp. larvae, post-larvae and pre-juveniles) these non-engineered materials don't create the conditions needed for the establishment of a diverse reef ecosystem. However, there are some engineered artificial reef units that do provide large amounts of good bio-attachable surface area in very compact units that incorporate the nooks and crannies to harbor the smaller non-sessile organisms. These units have been deployed in large numbers off Pensacola, FL and St. Petersburg, FL by ARCOA (Artificial Reef Company of America) in the late 80's and early 90's. The Pensacola deployment was studied and found to be successful, I'm not sure if the St. Petersburg deployment was studied or not. These units are approximately 2 ft x2 ft x 4 ft with hundreds of square feet of good clean bio-attachable friendly surface area that does not break down in seawater. These units work, are cost effective, and can be tailored to the species groups of interest by varying the sizes of the nooks and crannies of the units, and deploying units with different sized nooks and crannies in clusters or array that could support the earlier life history stages of the species of interest. However, due to a general lack of funding for the deployment of such clusters, these engineered units aren't in wide use. Though in my opinion they should be. The rigs suffer from the same problems as the non-engineered artificial reef materials (type of attachment surface is poor, surface area to volume is low, and nooks & crannies are in short supply). However, if the rigs were augmented with well engineered artificial reef units similar to the ARCOA units (e.g., the units could be strapped onto the piles) then the rigs could possibly function as artificial reef ecosystems. Otherwise, the huge amount of surface area afforded by the rigs offers limited harborage for the smaller non-sessile organisms (esp. larvae, post-larvae and pre-juveniles) which limits the rigs utility as a reef. In my opinion, these engineered reef units are the artifical reefs of choice, and it is disappointing that the fishery management community at large has not embraced them or for that matter even know about them. Since, MMS has to spend a portion of the oil royalties paid to the U.S. on programs like the rigs to reefs, I don't see why MMS shouldn't foot the bill for augmenting the rigs and supporting studies. They've got the money and I'd think this would be something they'd be interested in. Possibly MMS could do a couple of test deployments and study the effectiveness of the units. I'm thinking that augmenting several standing decommisioned rigs with the engineered units at 30ft, 60ft, 90ft, and 120ft (with enough units at each level to surround each pile) would be adequate as a test deployment. If things work out, and the before and after studies indicate that augmenting the rigs with these units would be desirable, then MMS would have the option of funding and studying additional deployments or just augmenting the decommissioned rigs en mass. Conversely, if the units turn out not to work, the units could be unstrapped from the piles and removed, or replaced with revised versions. Anyway, to my thinking these rigs should be used as platforms for developing reef materials and designs (like the ARCOA reef units) that provide lots of surface area in a small volume while providing harborage for the smaller non-sessile organisms from predation. My interest are focused on supporting the earlier life history stages and the food chain that ends up supporting the juveniles & adults of the recreationally important species. Therefore, I believe that strapping some ARCOA units onto some rigs and studying recruitment would be a good start. If anyone is interested in more info on the ARCOA reef units contact me at tony.lowery at noaa.gov. Don McAllister wrote: Above all we need some honest and full evaluations of existing artificial reefs, and some experiments with full before and after analyses to answer questions about recruitment to the structures in the long and short-term. From hendee at aoml.noaa.gov Thu Nov 2 10:43:56 2000 From: hendee at aoml.noaa.gov (Jim Hendee) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:43:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: coral-list messages Message-ID: Coral-listers, I'm afraid there was a "log-jam" of some messages for various reasons, so I apologize if some of the messages are coming out late, or the timing seems peculiar. However, the dates posted on the messages should have been retained so that, for instance, if a message appeared today, it may have a date on the message of, say, Oct 30, which would be the day it was actually sent. Sorry for any inconvenience. Yours, Jim coral-list admin From lesk at bio.bu.edu Thu Nov 2 16:21:46 2000 From: lesk at bio.bu.edu (Les Kaufman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:21:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Taipei flight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Was Rick's wife with him and is she okay? Les Kaufman Boston University Marine Program Department of Biology 5 Cummington Street Boston, MA 02215 lesk at bio.bu.edu 617-353-5560 office 617-353-6965 lab 617-353-6340 fax From vsseym at cool.com Thu Nov 2 16:36:41 2000 From: vsseym at cool.com (vsseym at cool.com) Date: 2 Nov 2000 13:36:41 -0800 Subject: How to set up a coral tank Message-ID: <20001102213641.23535.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001102/e6196e77/attachment.pl From james at winmarconsulting.com Thu Nov 2 21:57:34 2000 From: james at winmarconsulting.com (James Wiseman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:57:34 -0600 Subject: How to set up a coral tank References: <20001102213641.23535.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <003701c04541$d13ef9d0$410a5ad8@symet.net> I would encourage you to visit www.reefs.org for information on setting up a coral tank. Specifically, our library of articles and online chats on setting up reef aquaria (www.reefs.org/library/index.html) The site is geared toward advanced marine hobbiests, but based on your request the information there (how to set up a successful reef aquarium "in as less technical jargon as possible" sounds just like what you are looking for. Hope this finds you well, and is of some help to you, James Wiseman ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 3:36 PM Subject: How to set up a coral tank > Hi Everyone > Please can anyone help me on "How to set up a coral tank" in as less technical jargon as possible. I have to set up an experiment on measuring fluorescence from coral zooanthellae so if any one has any info on measuring fluorescence using a P.A.M I would be very grateful > > Thanks > > > __________________________________________________________ > Stay cool Get your own free e-mail at http://www.cool.com From w_zereini at usa.net Fri Nov 3 19:07:39 2000 From: w_zereini at usa.net (wael zereini) Date: 3 Nov 00 19:07:39 IST Subject: phD oportunity Message-ID: <20001103170739.1777.qmail@nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net> Dear all, iam a jordanian student working on the identification of gorgonians and soft corals in the Gulf of aqaba (Red Sea). i am looking to complete my higher education and to attend a ph.D program the comming year. what iam thinking about is to use the molecular biology as a tool for octocorals taxonmy and establishing a phylogenetic tree. or using molecular biology to study the basis of 2ry metabolites production by these animals and the potentiality to produce drugs from their exrtracts. so please any proffesor concerned in any of the two issues and could thankfully accept to take me as a student, and in roll me in his team,please e-mail me. thank you in advance all Wael Al-Zereini ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From capman at augsburg.edu Fri Nov 3 14:20:07 2000 From: capman at augsburg.edu (capman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:20:07 -0600 Subject: How to set up a coral tank Message-ID: <20001103192029.1AE6943B029@roland.augsburg.edu> I agree with James Wiseman that forums such as reefs.org can be a great source of practical information on how to maintain corals in captivity. Other very useful forums are the Reef Central message board: http://www.reefcentral.com/, as well as the ReefKeepers listserver (one of the Topica lists...sorry, I don't have their main web site address handy at the moment). While these are not primarily scientific sites but rather groups of hobbyists sharing information (much of it anectotal, unfortunately), many of the participants on these discussion groups are VERY skilled in reef aquarium husbandry. They might not always know WHY the techniques they use work, but often they know what DOES work and what doesn't work. Also, if you are new to reef aquarium husbandry, I would *highly* recommend you get (and study) a copy of "The Reef Aquarium, volume I", by Delbeek and Sprung, which I think is about the best, most comprehensive introduction to reef aquaium systems and reef aquarium methodology that I have seen. Also, on my web site I have a brief overview of reef aquarium metholology that you might find useful as an introduction. While this was put together first and foremost as a general overview to help my general biology and ecology students better understand the reef system we have in one of our teaching labs, several folks have e-mailed me to tell me they found it to be quite a useful overview. Go to: http://www.augsburg.edu/biology/aquaria ,then click on the "List of special topics", and go to "The biology and methodology of reef aquaria". I hope this helps. Bill Capman Augsburg College Minneapolis, MN >===== Original Message From "James Wiseman" ===== >I would encourage you to visit www.reefs.org for information on setting up a >coral tank. Specifically, our library of articles and online chats on >setting up reef aquaria (www.reefs.org/library/index.html) > >The site is geared toward advanced marine hobbiests, but based on your >request the information there (how to set up a successful reef aquarium "in >as less technical jargon as possible" sounds just like what you are looking >for. > >Hope this finds you well, and is of some help to you, > >James Wiseman > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 3:36 PM >Subject: How to set up a coral tank > > >> Hi Everyone >> Please can anyone help me on "How to set up a coral tank" in as less >technical jargon as possible. I have to set up an experiment on measuring >fluorescence from coral zooanthellae so if any one has any info on measuring >fluorescence using a P.A.M I would be very grateful >> >> Thanks >> >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> Stay cool Get your own free e-mail at http://www.cool.com From lopez at HBOI.edu Fri Nov 3 16:48:59 2000 From: lopez at HBOI.edu (Jose Lopez) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:48:59 -0500 Subject: naive approach to saving corals, preserving genetic resources Message-ID: <705E975A40BED211949800105A1C2F4CB21660@sailfish.hboi.edu> We have several experts working with reef aquaria at our institution, and thus I was given permission to forward the following earlier exchange regarding this topic to the list. Please contact Kelly at ORA (below) for further information on setting up reef aquaria. I believe this is just the tip of his knowledge on this subject. Good luck to all hobbyists. With the accelerated rate of reef destruction, your efforts cannot hurt. Secondly , as Michelle Stuart mentioned, establishing gene or tissue banks of corals and other marine organisms (somewhat being performed de facto by all practicing coral biologists who store their tissues in freezers, DMSO etc.) is one way to avoid a TOTAL loss of diversity in the face of imminent genetic and biological extinctions (and then hope for better technological answers in the future). This approach is being used for endangered terrestrial counterparts - Ryder OA, McLaren A, Brenner S, Zhang YP, Benirschke K.DNA banks for endangered animal species.Science. 2000 Apr 14;288(5464):275-7. but can also be applied to threatened marine organisms. Because of the lack of time and present funding, few actually know or can predict the value of threatened organisms, their genomes and gene products may have now or in the future. Joe Lopez, Ph.D. Assistant Scientist Division of Biomedical Marine Research Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institution 5600 US 1 North Ft. Pierce, FL 34946 PH: 561-465-2400, ext 478 F: 561-461-2221 http://www.hboi.edu/biomed/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly T. Hunter > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 3:52 PM > To: 'Vladi Royzman' > > I was forwarded your query regarding reef tank set-up. I will try > to offer some of my personal insight. I am sure you understand that there > are many theories and practices that work to different extents, but mine > are based on what has worked for me. I have kept reef aquaria for almost > ten years now and my start was a little different from most. I jumped > right into keeping a reef tank without ever keeping a freshwater or fish > only system. I acquired the tank from a friend who was moving and could > not take it with him. I started with florescent lights and a wet/dry > trickle filter. Within one year I started using a protein skimmer and > removed all the media from my biological filter(known as the Berlin > method). Later I upgraded to a larger system and added metal halides for > lighting. I kept a mix of soft corals, large polyp hard corals and > Tridacna sp. clams. I quickly caught the small polyped stony(SPS) bug and > eventually started my focus almost exclusively on those types of corals. > I have found them to be the most challenging and when properly maintained > the fastest growing-not to mention the most colorful. I feel the Berlin > method is quite possibly the best for these types of animals, because it > is best suited for maintaining pristine water quality. With the addition > of a proper live sand bed and with-in a short time you can avoid water > changes completely. I enjoy not having the maintenance of doing water > changes which affords me a very simple to maintain system. I clean my > skimmer once a week and clean the glass of algae, add trace elements that > are depleted by heavy skimming, and run a high quality carbon every other > month. I also use a carbonate reactor which maintains my alkalinity at a > stable 10-12 dKh only because of the calcium demand that is put on the > system by the quickly growing corals. This also maintains a nearly stable > pH of 8.2-8.4, with fluctuations coordinated with a night time and day > time photo period cycle. If you are interested in keeping mainly soft > corals and a few hard corals I would also recommend the Berlin method, > with the possibility of running less aggressive skimming. Surely a system > setup as the one you described with a refugia, algae scrubber and a sump > for your heater and skimmer will work fine, but will require substantial > maintenance. A refugia, to work to its full potential, should be mounted > above the tank with the water returning to the main tank via gravity . > This presents an engineering difficulty, let alone the unsightliness of a > tank above your main display tank. I personally would stay away from an > algal turf scrubber, for a variety of reasons: First of which, it needs > dedicated intense illumination in form of an additional metal halide. > Second, the turf requires regular maintenance in the form of pruning and > will color your tank water yellow from the by-products that the alga > release into the water. Third and probably most important in a home > aquarium- the surge device that is needed to properly grow the turf is > loud and rather finicky to keep in proper adjustment, and also produces a > great deal of salt spray and salt creep which is very problematic and > unsightly(not to mention that it is prone to cause grief with the lighting > system that would be required). In conclusion, I feel that your initial > ideas will work, but will be more labor intensive then is needed. I think > you can be equally successful with running just a simple Berlin method > system-Live rock, protein skimmer, metal halide lighting and an addition > of live sand. I would recommend using Kalkwasser(limewater) for your > freshwater make-up, to maintain pH/alkalinity and calcium levels; a trace > element supplement, and iodine for the soft corals. This is just my idea > and has worked wonderfully for me for many years and certainly your > experience could vary. One point that I have always encouraged with > clients getting started with a reef tank is to keep it as simple as > possible. This is the word that I live by for my personal systems. > > Kelly Hunter Shipping Manager Oceans, Reefs & Aquariums, Inc. kthunter at hboi.edu x94stuart at wmich.edu wrote: > HI, > > I am an amature coral lover who had done an extremely small amount of > research while getting my B.S. in Biology. On NPR today, I heard that 1/4 > of all corals were dead and that we could lose them all within the next 20 > years. My first instinct to this was to get as many representatives of as > many species as possible in a tank in my home so that there is some > remainder while our oceans heat up. Is this a horrible thought? I am not > a big fan of the tropical fish trade and I know that it would be very > easy for me to kill these creatures instead of saving them, but I want to > do SOMETHING. > It would be nice to be able to map the entire genomes of these guys so > that in 200 years when things simmer down and our genetic technology sky > rockets, we could bring these guys back, maybe. > > Anyway, let me know if I am thinking things that are ultimately > detrimental to corals. > > Michelle Stuart From lopez at HBOI.edu Fri Nov 3 16:48:59 2000 From: lopez at HBOI.edu (Jose Lopez) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:48:59 -0500 Subject: naive approach to saving corals, preserving genetic resources Message-ID: <705E975A40BED211949800105A1C2F4CB21660@sailfish.hboi.edu> We have several experts working with reef aquaria at our institution, and thus I was given permission to forward the following earlier exchange regarding this topic to the list. Please contact Kelly at ORA (below) for further information on setting up reef aquaria. I believe this is just the tip of his knowledge on this subject. Good luck to all hobbyists. With the accelerated rate of reef destruction, your efforts cannot hurt. Secondly , as Michelle Stuart mentioned, establishing gene or tissue banks of corals and other marine organisms (somewhat being performed de facto by all practicing coral biologists who store their tissues in freezers, DMSO etc.) is one way to avoid a TOTAL loss of diversity in the face of imminent genetic and biological extinctions (and then hope for better technological answers in the future). This approach is being used for endangered terrestrial counterparts - Ryder OA, McLaren A, Brenner S, Zhang YP, Benirschke K.DNA banks for endangered animal species.Science. 2000 Apr 14;288(5464):275-7. but can also be applied to threatened marine organisms. Because of the lack of time and present funding, few actually know or can predict the value of threatened organisms, their genomes and gene products may have now or in the future. Joe Lopez, Ph.D. Assistant Scientist Division of Biomedical Marine Research Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institution 5600 US 1 North Ft. Pierce, FL 34946 PH: 561-465-2400, ext 478 F: 561-461-2221 http://www.hboi.edu/biomed/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly T. Hunter > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 3:52 PM > To: 'Vladi Royzman' > > I was forwarded your query regarding reef tank set-up. I will try > to offer some of my personal insight. I am sure you understand that there > are many theories and practices that work to different extents, but mine > are based on what has worked for me. I have kept reef aquaria for almost > ten years now and my start was a little different from most. I jumped > right into keeping a reef tank without ever keeping a freshwater or fish > only system. I acquired the tank from a friend who was moving and could > not take it with him. I started with florescent lights and a wet/dry > trickle filter. Within one year I started using a protein skimmer and > removed all the media from my biological filter(known as the Berlin > method). Later I upgraded to a larger system and added metal halides for > lighting. I kept a mix of soft corals, large polyp hard corals and > Tridacna sp. clams. I quickly caught the small polyped stony(SPS) bug and > eventually started my focus almost exclusively on those types of corals. > I have found them to be the most challenging and when properly maintained > the fastest growing-not to mention the most colorful. I feel the Berlin > method is quite possibly the best for these types of animals, because it > is best suited for maintaining pristine water quality. With the addition > of a proper live sand bed and with-in a short time you can avoid water > changes completely. I enjoy not having the maintenance of doing water > changes which affords me a very simple to maintain system. I clean my > skimmer once a week and clean the glass of algae, add trace elements that > are depleted by heavy skimming, and run a high quality carbon every other > month. I also use a carbonate reactor which maintains my alkalinity at a > stable 10-12 dKh only because of the calcium demand that is put on the > system by the quickly growing corals. This also maintains a nearly stable > pH of 8.2-8.4, with fluctuations coordinated with a night time and day > time photo period cycle. If you are interested in keeping mainly soft > corals and a few hard corals I would also recommend the Berlin method, > with the possibility of running less aggressive skimming. Surely a system > setup as the one you described with a refugia, algae scrubber and a sump > for your heater and skimmer will work fine, but will require substantial > maintenance. A refugia, to work to its full potential, should be mounted > above the tank with the water returning to the main tank via gravity . > This presents an engineering difficulty, let alone the unsightliness of a > tank above your main display tank. I personally would stay away from an > algal turf scrubber, for a variety of reasons: First of which, it needs > dedicated intense illumination in form of an additional metal halide. > Second, the turf requires regular maintenance in the form of pruning and > will color your tank water yellow from the by-products that the alga > release into the water. Third and probably most important in a home > aquarium- the surge device that is needed to properly grow the turf is > loud and rather finicky to keep in proper adjustment, and also produces a > great deal of salt spray and salt creep which is very problematic and > unsightly(not to mention that it is prone to cause grief with the lighting > system that would be required). In conclusion, I feel that your initial > ideas will work, but will be more labor intensive then is needed. I think > you can be equally successful with running just a simple Berlin method > system-Live rock, protein skimmer, metal halide lighting and an addition > of live sand. I would recommend using Kalkwasser(limewater) for your > freshwater make-up, to maintain pH/alkalinity and calcium levels; a trace > element supplement, and iodine for the soft corals. This is just my idea > and has worked wonderfully for me for many years and certainly your > experience could vary. One point that I have always encouraged with > clients getting started with a reef tank is to keep it as simple as > possible. This is the word that I live by for my personal systems. > > Kelly Hunter Shipping Manager Oceans, Reefs & Aquariums, Inc. kthunter at hboi.edu x94stuart at wmich.edu wrote: > HI, > > I am an amature coral lover who had done an extremely small amount of > research while getting my B.S. in Biology. On NPR today, I heard that 1/4 > of all corals were dead and that we could lose them all within the next 20 > years. My first instinct to this was to get as many representatives of as > many species as possible in a tank in my home so that there is some > remainder while our oceans heat up. Is this a horrible thought? I am not > a big fan of the tropical fish trade and I know that it would be very > easy for me to kill these creatures instead of saving them, but I want to > do SOMETHING. > It would be nice to be able to map the entire genomes of these guys so > that in 200 years when things simmer down and our genetic technology sky > rockets, we could bring these guys back, maybe. > > Anyway, let me know if I am thinking things that are ultimately > detrimental to corals. > > Michelle Stuart From gregorh at ucla.edu Fri Nov 3 16:33:51 2000 From: gregorh at ucla.edu (Gregor Hodgson) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:33:51 -0800 Subject: Ladan Message-ID: <3A032F3F.FCF25EB7@ucla.edu> Colleagues and Friends: It is with great sadness that I confirm the death of Ms. Ladan Mohajerani. Ladan was on Singapore Air's Flight 006 from China to Los Angeles which crashed on takeoff. Ladan received both her bachelors and master's degree from UCLA and had been a volunteer and employee at the UCLA Ocean Discovery Center. She also spent several years working for the Santa Monica Baykeeper. She had most recently been working for the Reef Check program and was returning from the International Coral Reef Conference in Bali when the crash occurred. Ladan will be missed by all of us who were fortunate enough to know her. Her very close family is devastated. Flowers and notes can be sent to the family at: Mr and Mrs Mohajerani 5190 E. Bromely Dr. Oak Park, CA 91377 USA Steve Strand, UCLA Department of Organismic Biology, Ecology and Evolution Gregor Hodgson, UCLA Institute of the Environment From jsperoni at enviroweb.org Fri Nov 3 18:07:00 2000 From: jsperoni at enviroweb.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Jos=E9_A=2E_Speroni=22?=) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:07:00 -0300 Subject: How to set up a coral tank In-Reply-To: <003701c04541$d13ef9d0$410a5ad8@symet.net> References: <20001102213641.23535.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001103200700.0080cc90@freenet.enviroweb.org> I suggest you to read "The Modern Coral Reef Aquarium" Vol. I General "The Modern Coral Reef Aquarium" Vol. II Cnidarians "The Modern Coral Reef Aquarium" Vol. III Invertebrates by Svain A. Fossa and Alf Jacob Nielsen You can get them directly fromn the publisher at Birgit Schmettkamp Verlag Weidenbachweg 6a, D 53332 Bornheim Tel. 02227/91 22 20, Fax 91 22 21 email: schmettkamp at t-online.de www.schmettkamp.de The price for each copy is DEM 137/Euro 70,05 (including transportation) They are not able to accept plastics so they ask you to transfer via banque to account 613098 011 BLZ 380 601 86 Volksbank Bonn Rhein-Sieg SWIFT GENO DE D1 BRS You may check the books at http://www.mcra.com I suggest also "The Reef Aquarium" Vols I, II by Julian Sprung and Charles Delbeek Price vary from US$ 59.00 to 79.00 The last time I checked prices, the better choice was at www.thatpetplace.com This series of books contain a lot of information. The MRCA have lots of scientific data which you may need to evaluate if setting up an experimental model where you need to consider a lot of parameters and variables affecting the entire experiment. Hope this help. Regards Jos? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 3:36 PM Subject: How to set up a coral tank > Hi Everyone > Please can anyone help me on "How to set up a coral tank" in as less technical jargon as possible. I have to set up an experiment on measuring fluorescence from coral zooanthellae so if any one has any info on measuring fluorescence using a P.A.M I would be very grateful > > Thanks Jose A. Speroni, Med.Vet. E-mail: jsperoni at enviroweb.org C.E.I.H. ar784 at lafn.org C.C. 18 cj313 at ncf.ca (7100) Dolores ICQ: 41190790 Buenos Aires Phone: +54(2245)44-2350 REPUBLICA ARGENTINA Fax: +54(2245)44-0625 *********************************************************************** The CENTRO DE ESTUDIOS E INVESTIGACIONES HERPETOLOGICAS gratefully acknowledges the support received from: Birgit Schmettkamp Verlag (Germany), Mantella Publishing (UK) Research Information Systems, Inc. (USA), Reptilia (Spain) Clark Development Company, Inc. (USA), FTP Software, Inc. (USA) Key Tronic Corporation (USA), Colorado Memory Systems, Inc. (USA) *********************************************************************** "Many feel that Gary Kildall, the inventor, should have received the dollars and kudos that went to Bill Gates, the merchandiser." CS, Nov. 1994 From BobFenner at aol.com Fri Nov 3 18:58:04 2000 From: BobFenner at aol.com (BobFenner at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:58:04 EST Subject: How to set up a coral tank Message-ID: <33.c4a2adc.2734ab0c@aol.com> In a message dated 11/3/00 3:23:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, jsperoni at enviroweb.org writes: > I suggest you to read > "The Modern Coral Reef Aquarium" Vol. I General > "The Modern Coral Reef Aquarium" Vol. II Cnidarians > "The Modern Coral Reef Aquarium" Vol. III Invertebrates > > by Svain A. Fossa and Alf Jacob Nielsen > > You can get them directly fromn the publisher at > > Birgit Schmettkamp Verlag > Weidenbachweg 6a, D 53332 Bornheim > Tel. 02227/91 22 20, Fax 91 22 21 > email: schmettkamp at t-online.de > www.schmettkamp.de > > > The price for each copy is DEM 137/Euro 70,05 (including transportation) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001103/7942e1c4/attachment.html From mnolan01 at sprynet.com Fri Nov 3 20:09:45 2000 From: mnolan01 at sprynet.com (Mike Nolan) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:09:45 -0500 Subject: How to set up a coral tank References: <20001102213641.23535.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> <3.0.6.32.20001103200700.0080cc90@freenet.enviroweb.org> Message-ID: <3A0361D9.5C5C@sprynet.com> All these reading suggestions have been great. Certainly have to have some of these in your library. I would also suggest if you can get to a professionally run aquarium/zoo with marine tanks it would really be a good idea. Often times you can either get behind the scenes and talk to the experts and/or many will offer Workshops that will meet your needs. The reading is essential, but I think talking with and getting information from the experts will help you learn at least the basics quicker. -- Sincerely, Mike Nolan ********************************************************************* Rainforest and Reef 501 (c)(3) non-profit 29 Prospect NE Suite #8 Grand Rapids, Michigan 49503 USA Phone/Fax: (616) 776-5928/Toll Free: (877) 769-3086 E-mail: rainforest at mail.org or mnolan01 at sprynet.com Web: http://www.rainforestandreef.org ICQ #62481102 "Outstanding-Affordable Field Courses in Rainforest & Marine Ecology" ********************************************************************* From capman at augsburg.edu Sat Nov 4 00:00:37 2000 From: capman at augsburg.edu (capman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:00:37 -0600 Subject: How to set up a coral tank Message-ID: <20001104050102.2F06043B01A@roland.augsburg.edu> >I would also suggest if you can get to a professionally run aquarium/zoo >with marine tanks it would really be a good idea. Often times you can >either get behind the scenes and talk to the experts and/or many will >offer Workshops that will meet your needs. The reading is essential, but >I think talking with and getting information from the experts will help >you learn at least the basics quicker. This is an excellent point, but you need to pick your public aquarium carefully. You need to find a public aquarium that actually knows how to maintain REEF systems successfully, not just marine tanks, since traditional marine tanks for fish and the hardier invertebrates are not typically suitable for growing corals. While some public aquaria have truly wonderful, healthy reef systems, there are others that either don't have reef systems (even though they have marine tanks) or that have reef systems that are quite unimpressive in terms of overall system health and growth and health of corals. Though touring any aquarium is fun and informative, I'm not sure how useful touring a facility without healthy reef systems would be in terms of teaching you how to set up coral tanks. In this regard, I want to put in a plug again for the folks maintaining reef systems in their basements as a hobby. Though most of these folks are not scientists, many are incredibly dedicated to their reef systems, are very skilled in growing and propagating a wide diversity of corals, and have a great wealth of useful practical knowledge. Many also read everything they can get their hands on regarding corals and reef tank husbandry issues, so some have a lot of self-taught technical knowledge as well. Some are maintaining as many gallons of coral tanks as some of the public aquaria, and many of these tanks are just about the finest, healthiest captive reefs you'll find anywhere. So in addition to consulting the professional aquarists and scientists doing coral research, one of the most useful things you could do would be to hook yourself up with a local reef aquarium club if one exists in your area. This would allow you to visit people's homes and see a wide variety of ways of setting up and maintaining captive reef systems (some good, some not so good). I would think that if you joined an online group such as the ReefCentral Message board or any of the others mentioned in previous posts, you could post a message inquiring about local clubs and quickly find out if any are in your area. Bill Capman From ajnilsen at online.no Sat Nov 4 02:27:46 2000 From: ajnilsen at online.no (Alf Jacob Nilsen) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:27:46 +0100 Subject: How to set up a coral tank References: <20001103192029.1AE6943B029@roland.augsburg.edu> Message-ID: <3A03BA72.F4BB41C9@online.no> May I also direct your attention to our books "The Modern Coral reef Aquarium" in connection with setting up a reef tank? Please have a look at http://www.mcra.com cheers from norway Alf J capman wrote: > I agree with James Wiseman that forums such as reefs.org can be a great source > of practical information on how to maintain corals in captivity. Other very > useful forums are the Reef Central message board: > http://www.reefcentral.com/, > as well as the ReefKeepers listserver (one of the Topica lists...sorry, I > don't have their main web site address handy at the moment). > > While these are not primarily scientific sites but rather groups of hobbyists > sharing information (much of it anectotal, unfortunately), many of the > participants on these discussion groups are VERY skilled in reef aquarium > husbandry. They might not always know WHY the techniques they use work, but > often they know what DOES work and what doesn't work. > > Also, if you are new to reef aquarium husbandry, I would *highly* recommend > you get (and study) a copy of "The Reef Aquarium, volume I", by Delbeek and > Sprung, which I think is about the best, most comprehensive introduction to > reef aquaium systems and reef aquarium methodology that I have seen. > > Also, on my web site I have a brief overview of reef aquarium metholology that > you might find useful as an introduction. While this was put together first > and foremost as a general overview to help my general biology and ecology > students better understand the reef system we have in one of our teaching > labs, several folks have e-mailed me to tell me they found it to be quite a > useful overview. Go to: > http://www.augsburg.edu/biology/aquaria > ,then click on the "List of special topics", and go to "The biology and > methodology of reef aquaria". > > I hope this helps. > > Bill Capman > Augsburg College > Minneapolis, MN > > >===== Original Message From "James Wiseman" > ===== > >I would encourage you to visit www.reefs.org for information on setting up a > >coral tank. Specifically, our library of articles and online chats on > >setting up reef aquaria (www.reefs.org/library/index.html) > > > >The site is geared toward advanced marine hobbiests, but based on your > >request the information there (how to set up a successful reef aquarium "in > >as less technical jargon as possible" sounds just like what you are looking > >for. > > > >Hope this finds you well, and is of some help to you, > > > >James Wiseman > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 3:36 PM > >Subject: How to set up a coral tank > > > > > >> Hi Everyone > >> Please can anyone help me on "How to set up a coral tank" in as less > >technical jargon as possible. I have to set up an experiment on measuring > >fluorescence from coral zooanthellae so if any one has any info on measuring > >fluorescence using a P.A.M I would be very grateful > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________________ > >> Stay cool Get your own free e-mail at http://www.cool.com -- Alf Jacob Nilsen N-4432 Hidrasund NORWAY Phone: +47 383 72256 Fax: +47 383 72351 e-mail: ajnilsen at online.no PRIVATE WEB: http://home.sol.no/~alfnil/index.htm BOOK WEB: http://www.mcra.com PHOTO AGENCY: http://www.aquariumworld.com/bioquaticshop From oveh at uq.edu.au Sun Nov 5 16:43:01 2000 From: oveh at uq.edu.au (Ove Hoegh-Guldberg) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:43:01 +1000 Subject: Bali/Japan - one wish In-Reply-To: <200011010951.JAA60605@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: Dear Robert, Thanks for the opportunity to throw in two cents. This was a wonderful conference - at any point I could have gone to stellar talks in at least three sessions. There has been talk that the conference has become too large. Some say that we should split the meeting into two or three - perhaps along science versus management. This would be regrettable from my perspective - without sounding too obvious or clich?d, to split would be to ignore the fact that reef studies from pure to applied is currently more about integrating than splitting. For example, many of us from the pure science background are only just waking up to the key issues and challenges of management and the more economic and social aspects of coral reefs. So - what can we do? I feel that we have to drastically change the way we run the meeting. I have given some thought and wonder if the following might work: a. The full text of papers would be available a month before the meeting on the web. b. Authors would give a 5 minute overview of their papers plus a 5 minute question/answer session. The key here is that the talks are more to profile the paper (what the question/theme was, what methods were used and what the results tell us). Details about methods would be already in the hands of the audience via the papers. c. Following the talks in a half day collection of papers, the session chairs would then host a 30 minute synthetic review. The advantages of the above would be that the numbers of papers would drop to some extent. That is, only authors who produced would talk. Secondly, with shorter presentations and deliberate periods of synthesis, the conference would achieve what conferences are meant to achieve (namely synthesis and review rather than endless reporting - no criticism to anyone intended). Thirdly, by reporting papers in advance, the transfer of knowledge prior to and during the conference would be heightened. With a little preparation, we would come ready to talk through people's projects. My two cents - no splitting but rather a rethink about how we can achieve better conference outcomes under a more Internet linked world. Cheers, Ove -----Original Message----- From: owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov]On Behalf Of Robert van Woesik Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2000 10:50 AM To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov Subject: Bali/Japan - one wish

Dear Bali participants,

As most of you know, Japan is hosting the next symposium in Okinawa in 2004.
I think we all agree that the Bali symposium was a great success, but no symposium is perfect. While the symposium is still fresh in everyone's mind, I thought to compile a wish list that may help us for the next symposium (but only one wish per person). If you feel inclined please send me a short, clear and constructive statement on 'something' that was missing at the Bali symposium and that you would like to see at the next symposium. This is not a compilation of a complaints list, rather I would appreciate statements outlining the problem followed by a possible solution. Armed with this list I can approach the various committees and organizations over the next few years and make your requests a reality. No promises, but without your input we can't (attempt to) improve these events.

Best Regards

Rob van Woesik

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Department of Marine Sciences
University of the Ryukyus
Nishihara, Okinawa 903-0123
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E-mail: b984138 at sci.u-ryukyu.ac.jp
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  From b.elliott at mweb.co.za Mon Nov 6 07:53:35 2000 From: b.elliott at mweb.co.za (Bridget Elliott) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:53:35 +0200 Subject: parasites on corals Message-ID: <015701c047f1$87171060$14241ec4@bridget> Dear all An MSc student investigating parasitism/mutualism of polychaete worms (Spirobranchus) on Acropora plates at Sodwana (South Africa), to see if they can be used as an indicator of reef health. We are battling to find references that refer to any kind of data on this phenomenon, and have only been able to find mostly anecdotal info. She is hypothesising that areas that are shallower and with higher diver number will be more stressed, and thus will have a greater degree of infestation of Spirobranchus. Plates that occur deeper should have fewer parasites (less storm damage and fewer divers), as should less dived sites. Has anyone come across any information (even unpublished reports) about the effects of Spirobranchus or other creatures on coral health (does they perhaps retard coral growth), or any reports that have sucessfully linked damage to numbers of parasites or other bioindicators ? Many thanks Bridget Armstrong KwaZulu-Natal Nature Conservation Service South Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001106/b49500e6/attachment.html From hendee at aoml.noaa.gov Mon Nov 6 08:54:44 2000 From: hendee at aoml.noaa.gov (Jim Hendee) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:54:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Love Bug again Message-ID: I have seen a report that the Love Bug "virus" may be making the rounds again. It has in the Subject Line: US PRESIDENT AND FBI SECRETS =PLEASE VISIT => (http://WWW.2600.COM)<= I would thus be prudent in the opening of any such document. Cheers, Jim From lesk at bio.bu.edu Mon Nov 6 14:40:22 2000 From: lesk at bio.bu.edu (Les Kaufman) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:40:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bali/Japan - one wish In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Though I regrettably had to miss the meetings, I for one find Ove's suggested changes to he format intriguing. I wonder how others have reacted.... Les Kaufman Boston University Marine Program Department of Biology 5 Cummington Street Boston, MA 02215 lesk at bio.bu.edu 617-353-5560 office 617-353-6965 lab 617-353-6340 fax From jware at erols.com Mon Nov 6 15:58:15 2000 From: jware at erols.com (John Ware) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 15:58:15 -0500 Subject: Bali/Japan - one wish References: Message-ID: <3A071B67.627F08D7@erols.com> Dear List, Ove's idea is interesting but the logistics seem daunting. Every presenter, let's say 400, would have to submit a near-ready-for-review paper well ahead of time. This means the papers would have to be ready a month or two ahead of the normal deadline. Then someone would have to make a copy for every person registered at the symposium and mail the copies out. Additional copies would be required for late registrants. The proceedings now typically occupy 2 large volumes and this is *after* peer review has considerably reduced the weight. The cost and problems seem daunting. Granted that many of the papers could be put on the web, there are problems with that approach also. Even downloading and printing just the ones you are interested in would be a time-consuming task (my 6 pages/minute printer). Then there are those people who do not have internet access - should they be discriminated against? I too was not at the symposium, but, having been at the previous two I appreciate the difficulty one faces with simultaneous presentations in areas of interest. It is a problem that symposium organizers and attendees have faced since the era of large symposia and I know of no one in the engineering field who has solved it. Perhaps coral reef scientists can do better? John Les Kaufman wrote: > > Though I regrettably had to miss the meetings, I for one find Ove's > suggested changes to he format intriguing. I wonder how others have > reacted.... > > Les Kaufman > Boston University Marine Program > Department of Biology > 5 Cummington Street > Boston, MA 02215 > lesk at bio.bu.edu > 617-353-5560 office > 617-353-6965 lab > 617-353-6340 fax -- ************************************************************* * * * John R. Ware, PhD * * President * * SeaServices, Inc. * * 19572 Club House Road * * Montgomery Village, MD, 20886 * * 301 987-8507 * * jware at erols.com * * seaservices.org * * fax: 301 987-8531 * * _ * * | * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * _|_ * * | _ | * * _______________________________| |________ * * |\/__ Undersea Technology for the 21st Century \ * * |/\____________________________________________/ * ************************************************************** From oveh at uq.edu.au Mon Nov 6 17:02:16 2000 From: oveh at uq.edu.au (Ove Hoegh-Guldberg) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:02:16 +1000 Subject: Bali/Japan - one wish In-Reply-To: <3A071B67.627F08D7@erols.com> Message-ID: Dear John, Thanks for the comments but I think you may have misunderstood the essence of my comments. The key to this new approach would be to post papers on the web - which is straight forward nowadays. Much though I appreciate your calculations, the idea is to think beyond the square. We have an opportunity with the Internet which we should use. I would also not expect people to print papers on their home computer. PDF or DOC files can be viewed and read on home computers as advanced press ... that is, the volumes are still printed and sent to all registrants. The only problem is that not all people will have access to good web resources. A CD with manuscripts could be burnt that might be offered to those scientists who do not have the benefit of fast Internet resources. Regards, Ove -----Original Message----- From: John Ware [mailto:jware at erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2000 6:58 AM To: Les Kaufman Cc: Ove Hoegh-Guldberg; coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov Subject: Re: Bali/Japan - one wish Dear List, Ove's idea is interesting but the logistics seem daunting. Every presenter, let's say 400, would have to submit a near-ready-for-review paper well ahead of time. This means the papers would have to be ready a month or two ahead of the normal deadline. Then someone would have to make a copy for every person registered at the symposium and mail the copies out. Additional copies would be required for late registrants. The proceedings now typically occupy 2 large volumes and this is *after* peer review has considerably reduced the weight. The cost and problems seem daunting. Granted that many of the papers could be put on the web, there are problems with that approach also. Even downloading and printing just the ones you are interested in would be a time-consuming task (my 6 pages/minute printer). Then there are those people who do not have internet access - should they be discriminated against? I too was not at the symposium, but, having been at the previous two I appreciate the difficulty one faces with simultaneous presentations in areas of interest. It is a problem that symposium organizers and attendees have faced since the era of large symposia and I know of no one in the engineering field who has solved it. Perhaps coral reef scientists can do better? John Les Kaufman wrote: > > Though I regrettably had to miss the meetings, I for one find Ove's > suggested changes to he format intriguing. I wonder how others have > reacted.... > > Les Kaufman > Boston University Marine Program > Department of Biology > 5 Cummington Street > Boston, MA 02215 > lesk at bio.bu.edu > 617-353-5560 office > 617-353-6965 lab > 617-353-6340 fax -- ************************************************************* * * * John R. Ware, PhD * * President * * SeaServices, Inc. * * 19572 Club House Road * * Montgomery Village, MD, 20886 * * 301 987-8507 * * jware at erols.com * * seaservices.org * * fax: 301 987-8531 * * _ * * | * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * _|_ * * | _ | * * _______________________________| |________ * * |\/__ Undersea Technology for the 21st Century \ * * |/\____________________________________________/ * ************************************************************** From tdone at aims.gov.au Mon Nov 6 19:21:24 2000 From: tdone at aims.gov.au (Terry Done) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:21:24 +1000 Subject: Ladan Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001107102124.00823100@email.aims.gov.au> To all of you who came to Bali for the 9th International Coral Reef Symposium, I thank you from the bottom of my heart on behalf of the International Society for Reef Studies. To Paul Blanchon, Roberto Iglesias, Suzana Enriquez, Rick Nemeth, Sally Walker, Steve Brosnan and Debra Brosnan who have lived through the tragedy of the Singapore Airlines accident, we wish you a speedy recovery in body and soul. To the friends and family of Ladan Mohajerani - whom the accident took from us - I pass on the heartfelt sympathy from all of us in the Society, and from all of us around the world who care for coral reefs the way Ladan did. Thank you Ladan - may you rest in peace. Tery Done President Internatinal Society for Reef Studies Dr Terry Done Leader Sustaining Living Marine Resources Project Australian Institute of Marine Science PMB #3 Mail Centre, Townsville Qld 4810 Australia Phone 61 7 47 534 344 Fax 61 7 47 725 852 email: tdone at aims.gov.au WEBSITE for 9th International Coral Reef Symposium www.nova.edu/ocean/9icrs From nerilie.abram at anu.edu.au Mon Nov 6 19:46:05 2000 From: nerilie.abram at anu.edu.au (Nerilie Abram) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 11:46:05 +1100 Subject: 9ICRS debate on coral reefs and climate change Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20001107111518.00a98cb0@pophost.anu.edu.au> Dear Ove, We were presenters at the conference in Bali (A9: sea level and A17: proxy records) and we attended the debate that you hosted on coral reefs and climate change. We would like to thank you for organising the debate and would also like to follow up on the response to the question "Does climate change represent a risk to coral reefs? If so, what are the three most worrying variables). The three most worrying variables were recorded during the debate as temperature rise, CO2 rise and sea level rise. We fully agree that temperature rise and CO2 rise are serious and potentially devastating threats to the future of coral reefs, however we firmly believe that sea level rise is not a threat to coral reefs. Geological evidence in fact suggests quite the opposite, and under the currently projected rates of future sea level rise coral reefs around the world should easily be able to keep pace with sea level rise and would most likely flourish in the new "accommodation space" provided for reef growth. An example can be observed on Heron Island, where the construction of a weir resulted in an artificial and immediate sea level rise on the order of metres and has been accompanied by a marked increase in coral reef growth. Of course, given the stresses on reefs by other factors their ability to respond to rising sea level may not be as great as that preserved in the geological record, however it is these other factors which need to be addressed as the threats to the future of coral reefs and not sea level rise. During the debate the aspect of the future of island nations was used as reason to keep sea level rise on the list of worrying variables. The vulnerability of many nations to sea level rise is undisputable and a very serious concern in climate change debates, however the question being dealt with in this debate is the threats to coral reefs. Our fear is that if a statement is sent out from the scientists of the 9ICRS saying that sea level rise is a threat to the future of coral reefs then this will undermine the scientific merit of the rest of the statement and may threaten what this debate was meant to achieve: a call to action to help save the coral reefs of the world. We would like to suggest that sea level rise be replace with "other anthropogenic stresses" and that this include factors such as over-exploitation, land use practises, pollution and even global population growth. Not only do we believe that these factors are a much more serious and immediate threat to the future of coral reefs than sea level rise, but this also provides a number of management avenues which are not available with the list as it currently stands. Temperature rise, CO2 rise (and also sea level rise) are issues which need to be dealt with globally and over very long time frames. Many anthropogenic stresses can be dealt with locally and have solutions which can be implemented in relatively short periods of time. We would like to suggest that the statement that is given by the scientists from 9ICRS lists the three most worrying risks to corals reefs as 1) temperature rise, 2) CO2 rise and 3) other anthropogenic stresses, and that it highlights the need for both local and global action over a range of time scales from immediate to long term. We would also like to follow up on the suggestion that the questions dealt with at the debate should be posted on the coral list. We think that this is an excellent idea and would allow for a broader cross section of scientists to contribute valuable ideas and perspectives to this important statement. Thank you again for organising the debate and I hope that it will result in strong statement which inspires people throughout the world to help to preserve the world's coral reefs. Sincerely Nerilie Abram and Helen McGregor ************************************************* PhD research students Research School of Earth Sciences The Australian National University Canberra 0200 Australia Ph +61 2 6249 5177 Ph +61 2 6249 3407 Fax +61 2 6249 3683 nerilie.abram at anu.edu.au helen.mcgregor at anu.edu.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001107/ea41a755/attachment.html From wallison at dhivehinet.net.mv Mon Nov 6 19:42:59 2000 From: wallison at dhivehinet.net.mv (William Allison) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 05:42:59 +0500 Subject: Bali/Japan - one wish References: Message-ID: <00c601c04857$c929fa60$e0c101ca@oemcomputer> I live in a place where internet access is expensive. Despite that, to my perhaps naive way of thinking, Ove's proposal is appealing, if behaviourally and to a lesser extent logistically challenging. Arguing against the idea because relative accessibility discriminates is rather like arguing against published proceedings because some individuals can't afford them. Cost discriminates whether a conference is real or virtual. Although lacking the perks and dimensions of attending a conference, visiting a web site to pull down papers seems to be a relatively efficient and inexpensive alternative to the high cost and catch-as-catch-can of a large symposium. In addition, as one of those unable to attend for purely logistical reasons, the availability of a potentially strong second-best option has great appeal. As Ove pointed out the result would be enhanced disemination and comprehension of ideas that those fortunate enough to attend the meetings would benefit from all the more. As a bonus the proceedings would be available, presumably cheaply and instanter on web and relatively soon thereafter as hardcopy. There might also be some beneficial environmental consequences. Sincerely, Bill William (Bill) Allison Kothanmaage - South Apt. S-05 Maaveyomagu, Marfannu Male MALDIVES Phone: (960) 32 9667 Fax: (960) 32 4865 or 6884 email: wallison at dhivehinet.net.mv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ove Hoegh-Guldberg" To: ; "Les Kaufman" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 03:02 Subject: RE: Bali/Japan - one wish > Dear John, > > Thanks for the comments but I think you may have misunderstood the essence of my > comments. The key to this new approach would be to post papers on the web - > which is straight forward nowadays. Much though I appreciate your calculations, > the idea is to think beyond the square. We have an opportunity with the > Internet which we should use. I would also not expect people to print papers on > their home computer. PDF or DOC files can be viewed and read on home computers > as advanced press ... that is, the volumes are still printed and sent to all > registrants. > > The only problem is that not all people will have access to good web resources. > A CD with manuscripts could be burnt that might be offered to those scientists > who do not have the benefit of fast Internet resources. > > Regards, > > Ove > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Ware [mailto:jware at erols.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2000 6:58 AM > To: Les Kaufman > Cc: Ove Hoegh-Guldberg; coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov > Subject: Re: Bali/Japan - one wish > > > Dear List, > > Ove's idea is interesting but the logistics seem daunting. Every > presenter, let's say 400, would have to submit a near-ready-for-review > paper well ahead of time. This means the papers would have to be ready > a month or two ahead of the normal deadline. > > Then someone would have to make a copy for every person registered at > the symposium and mail the copies out. Additional copies would be > required for late registrants. The proceedings now typically occupy 2 > large volumes and this is *after* peer review has considerably reduced > the weight. The cost and problems seem daunting. > > Granted that many of the papers could be put on the web, there are > problems with that approach also. Even downloading and printing just > the ones you are interested in would be a time-consuming task (my 6 > pages/minute printer). Then there are those people who do not have > internet access - should they be discriminated against? > > I too was not at the symposium, but, having been at the previous two I > appreciate the difficulty one faces with simultaneous presentations in > areas of interest. It is a problem that symposium organizers and > attendees have faced since the era of large symposia and I know of no > one in the engineering field who has solved it. Perhaps coral reef > scientists can do better? > > John > > Les Kaufman wrote: > > > > Though I regrettably had to miss the meetings, I for one find Ove's > > suggested changes to he format intriguing. I wonder how others have > > reacted.... > > > > Les Kaufman > > Boston University Marine Program > > Department of Biology > > 5 Cummington Street > > Boston, MA 02215 > > lesk at bio.bu.edu > > 617-353-5560 office > > 617-353-6965 lab > > 617-353-6340 fax > > -- > ************************************************************* > * * > * John R. Ware, PhD * > * President * > * SeaServices, Inc. * > * 19572 Club House Road * > * Montgomery Village, MD, 20886 * > * 301 987-8507 * > * jware at erols.com * > * seaservices.org * > * fax: 301 987-8531 * > * _ * > * | * > * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * > * _|_ * > * | _ | * > * _______________________________| |________ * > * |\/__ Undersea Technology for the 21st Century \ * > * |/\____________________________________________/ * > ************************************************************** > From b.elliott at mweb.co.za Tue Nov 7 00:54:03 2000 From: b.elliott at mweb.co.za (Bridget Elliott) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 07:54:03 +0200 Subject: parasites on corals References: <200011060822_MC2-B9C9-51CF@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <00de01c04882$7d375320$a8211ec4@bridget> We are assuming that infestations by Spirobranchus are not advantageous to the corals, which I know is problematic. However, Acropora tends to form a "lump" around the worm holes, which would consume energy that could have been used for growth/reproduction. Holes in the coral plates may also weaken the structure, and make them more susceptible to breakage. (but on the other hand, the worms may set up currents that facilitate the bringing of food to the coral polyps). Presumably a worm larvae landing on a healthy coral would be consumed by the coral. This leads to the assumption that only larvae that land on a "dead" or damaged spot would be successful in boring into the coral. This has been suggested by some authors, eg. Marsden 1993 who proposed that damage to Millepora blades could be an entry site for Spirobranchus worms. ----- Original Message ----- From: Julian Sprung To: Bridget Elliott Sent: 06 November, 2000 3:21 PM Subject: parasites on corals Gee that would be difficult to separate from other environmental factors. For example, perhaps the polychaetes have better food supply in the same habitat where the diver impacts are greatest. Why should the corals be stressed to become infested with the worms? Julian Sprung -------------- Dear all An MSc student investigating parasitism/mutualism of polychaete worms (Spirobranchus) on Acropora plates at Sodwana (South Africa), to see if they can be used as an indicator of reef health. We are battling to find references that refer to any kind of data on this phenomenon, and have only been able to find mostly anecdotal info. She is hypothesising that areas that are shallower and with higher diver number will be more stressed, and thus will have a greater degree of infestation of Spirobranchus. Plates that occur deeper should have fewer parasites (less storm damage and fewer divers), as should less dived sites. Has anyone come across any information (even unpublished reports) about the effects of Spirobranchus or other creatures on coral health (does they perhaps retard coral growth), or any reports that have sucessfully linked damage to numbers of parasites or other bioindicators ? Many thanks Bridget Armstrong KwaZulu-Natal Nature Conservation Service South Africa From b.elliott at mweb.co.za Tue Nov 7 01:04:12 2000 From: b.elliott at mweb.co.za (Bridget Elliott) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 08:04:12 +0200 Subject: web publishing References: <00c601c04857$c929fa60$e0c101ca@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00e001c04882$7fffe900$a8211ec4@bridget> I must agree with William Allison There are many of us in poorer countries that simply cannot afford the costs (not just the logistics) of attending international conferences. On the other hand, internet use is very widespread and accessible to a much larger range of people. Most coral reefs are situated in countries that generally have far less funding for conservation/research than developed countries, yet these are the very people coral scientists should be trying to reach. Web publishing would be a welcome alternative for those coral reef managers and scientists who cannot attend the conferences in person. Bridget Armstrong KwaZulu-Natal Nature Conservation Service South Africa From b984138 at sci.u-ryukyu.ac.jp Tue Nov 7 01:58:12 2000 From: b984138 at sci.u-ryukyu.ac.jp (Robert van Woesik) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:58:12 +0900 Subject: Bali/Japan - one wish compilation Message-ID: <3A07A803.9F394BF1@sci.u-ryukyu.ac.jp> Dear all, I will compile an anonymous list of responses to Bali/Japan - one wish, soon; I am just going to wait another week until everybody has had a chance to settle back into normal life. I think Ove set a good standard by sending his remarks to my email but also to the coral-list. So far the responses have been broad, from cheap free flowing coffee (indeed vital) and more social events to a complete reshuffle of the venue. The idea of a multifaceted approach to scientific paper access is logical, and will probably be common place in 4-years time (i.e., internet, CD, paper), but to go beyond that and have all presentations connected to webcams and recorded (indefinitely) as mpeg files (internet accessible from a homepage, that we can view at a later date, and use for seminars, workshops, etc. etc.), well, there lies a challenge. Rob van Woesik ******************************************* Dr. Robert van Woesik Associate Professor Department of Marine Sciences University of the Ryukyus Nishihara, Okinawa 903-0123 JAPAN E-mail: b984138 at sci.u-ryukyu.ac.jp Website: http://www.cc.u-ryukyu.ac.jp/~b984138/ Ph: (81) 098 895 8564 Fax: (81) 098 895 8552 ****************************************** From mcall at superaje.com Tue Nov 7 08:10:49 2000 From: mcall at superaje.com (Don McAllister) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 08:10:49 -0500 Subject: 9ICRS debate on coral reefs and climate change References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001107111518.00a98cb0@pophost.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <3A07FF59.EF532859@superaje.com> Nerilie Abram wrote: > We fully agree that temperature rise and CO2 rise are serious and > potentially devastating threats to the future of coral reefs, however > we firmly believe that sea level rise is not a threat to coral reefs. > Geological evidence in fact suggests quite the opposite, and under the > currently projected rates of future sea level rise coral reefs around > the world should easily be able to keep pace with sea level rise and > would most likely flourish in the new ?accommodation space? provided > for reef growth. An example can be observed on Heron Island, where the > construction of a weir resulted in an artificial and immediate sea > level rise on the order of metres and has been accompanied by a marked > increase in coral reef growth. Of course, given the stresses on reefs > by other factors their ability to respond to rising sea level may not > be as great as that I ask purely out of ignorance. Was the Heron Island coral coral diversity behind the weir the same as it was before? I can deforests and plow a field and let it go back to nature - but first there will be a lot of weeds and it make take a long time before the balance is what it used to be. The diversity of corals is in some ways related to the much higher degree of diversity of organisms that live amongst them. Less than a 1000 coral species support almost a million species of scientifically named and as yet unnamed species. Can one track such fine detail as species change in the geological record? A few corals take centuries to reach their full size and form. don Don McAllister Ocean Voice International -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001107/a02ff342/attachment.html From gjgast at freeler.nl Tue Nov 7 16:20:30 2000 From: gjgast at freeler.nl (GJ Gast) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:20:30 +1:00 Subject: Proceedings on CD In-Reply-To: References: <3A071B67.627F08D7@erols.com> Message-ID: <3A082BCE.52.1185730@localhost> Dear all, Ove wrote: > > The only problem is that not all people will have access to good web resources. > A CD with manuscripts could be burnt that might be offered to those scientists > who do not have the benefit of fast Internet resources. > > Regards, > > Ove I have in Bali coined the idea of printing and distributing the symposium proceedings on CD. Some advantages I see: 1. Printing costs of the paper version are about US$100,000 plus roughly US$20 on postage for each. A CD costs less than one dollar and postage is hardly more than a normal letter. With 1500 participants the paper version costs 130,000 and the CD version roughly 3000, an almost 98% reduction of the costs. 2. CD's are now 900 MB, undoubtably larger in 4 years. So a 1000 authors will have about 1 MB each for their paper. A paper can be written in any format the author wishes. MS Word obviously, but why not in HTML as a web page? Colours can be used, tables, graphs, pictures, models, simulations and data sets as long as it fits the set amount of disk space. If the articles are burned on 2 CD's every author will have 2 MB. There is no limit. 3. Lay-out of the papers can be done by the authors, which means a tremendous reduction of the work load for the symposium proceedings editor. This allows the publication of the proceedings a few months after the symposium rather than a few years. 4. In the proceedings of the Bali meeting only 400 papers out of over a 1000 oral contributions will be selected for publications. There is no such reduction necessary when working with CD's. 5. You can easily share your copy with your students or co-workers by placing it on the internal network or by simply burning copies. 6. Even in the developing countries computers with CD ROM players are common now. Everybody can use a CD. 7. If the structure of the CD is written in HTML the whole thing can easily be made available through a webpage as well. My two cents. Cheers, GJ. =============================================== Dr. Gert Jan Gast Oostelijke Handelskade 31 1019BL Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Phone int 31 (0)20 4198607 Please use as primary address for large attachments. My permanent email address is . Please remove from your address book. It can't be used web-based and will stop some time in the future. From breef at bahamas.net.bs Tue Nov 7 12:30:06 2000 From: breef at bahamas.net.bs (Sir Nicholas Nuttall) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:30:06 -0500 Subject: web publishing References: <00c601c04857$c929fa60$e0c101ca@oemcomputer> <00e001c04882$7fffe900$a8211ec4@bridget> Message-ID: <3A083C1E.9F65B8D6@bahamas.net.bs> As a member of the Bahamian team who went to Bali to bid for ICRS X , I must back up Mrs. Armstrong's remarks that most coral are situated near poor countries, whose populations "coral scientists should be trying to reach." We need your expertise to illuminate our conservation efforts. ICRS IX was wonderful and the message that the reefs were in dire trouble was picked up by the press. I saw articles in Newsweek and the International Herald Tribune. However such an expensive exercise could be organized to produce a more lasting impression. Having most of the coral "brains" in one place surely creates an opportunity for discussion, , reporting and the dissemination of advice. My dictionary of English Etymology says the word Symposium is derived from the Greek for fellow drinker. A symposium, it says is a drinking party, a convivial meeting for discussion or a meeting for discussion. It refers to Plato's dialogues in which Socrates and others discuss the nature of love. Sounds like a good idea. Lets have an old fashioned symposium in Tokyo. As Jim Bohnsack correctly commented in his presentation, most of us a driven by our love for the threatened beauty of the reefs. Can ISRS arrange matters so that the papers, presented beforehand, become the foundation on which a "convivial meeting for discussion" is based? Our organization's locally focused mission is, To improve the symbiosis between the Bahamians and the reefs which protect, nourish and enrich us". ISRS strikes me as being potentially very powerful and it can effect human/coral relationships profoundly on a world scale. Nicholas Nuttall Bridget Elliott wrote: > I must agree with William Allison > > There are many of us in poorer countries that simply cannot afford the costs > (not just the logistics) of attending international conferences. On the > other hand, internet use is very widespread and accessible to a much larger > range of people. > > Most coral reefs are situated in countries that generally have far less > funding for conservation/research than developed countries, yet these are > the very people coral scientists should be trying to reach. Web publishing > would be a welcome alternative for those coral reef managers and scientists > who cannot attend the conferences in person. > > Bridget Armstrong > KwaZulu-Natal Nature Conservation Service > South Africa -- B.R.E.E.F. -- Goodwill in Action! P.O. Box N-7776 Nassau, New Providence, The Bahamas Tel.: (242) 362-4265 Fax: (242) 362-6982 E-mail: breef at bahamas.net.bs 501(c)(3) details: Association for the Coral Environment (ACE), Inc. 5000 Fulton Industrial Blvd., Atlanta, GA 30336 EIN: 31-1677807 From cbingman at panix.com Tue Nov 7 13:45:16 2000 From: cbingman at panix.com (Craig Bingman) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:45:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Proceedings on CD In-Reply-To: <3A082BCE.52.1185730@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, GJ Gast wrote: > 2. CD's are now 900 MB, undoubtably larger in 4 years. 900 MB isn't a standard size, if it is even available. My advice, if people decide to go this route, is to strictly conform to standards. > So 1000 authors > will have about 1 MB each for their paper. A paper can be written in any > format the author wishes. MS Word obviously, My suggestion would be to not use any proprietary formats. RTF (Rich Text Format) is fairly transportable. As you mention, HTML is also fairly transportable. > but why not in HTML as a web page? HTML is in a constant state of flux. Most people would probably create HTML documents with Microsoft tools, and that usually means a Microsoft-centric and somewhat incompatible version of HTML. That said, there are enough microsofties in the world that people usually are able to read the rather junky HTML that MS tools make. >From the perspective of putting things on the web or on CD, HTML may well be the format of choice. >Colours can be used, tables, graphs, pictures, models, And of course some attention should be given to the graphics formats included. Probably the GIF format shouldn't be allowed. JPEG typically seriously degrades technical figures, so some sort of widely readable and lossless format should be used for technical figures. Non-critical photographs could be JPG'd to save space. > 7. If the structure of the CD is written in HTML the whole thing can easily be > made available through a webpage as well. A CD has another advantage... it can be exhaustively searched for strings using a program on the user's computer. I'm not sure if a "University" would be hosting a possible web site. If so, then there usually isn't a direct cost for bandwidth. There may be a direct cost for storage space, which could be nontrivial if you are going to need to store a gigabyte on-line for extended periods of time. I don't think it would be cost effective at all to use a commercial web host to do something like this. Craig cbingman at panix.com http://fpage1.ba.best.com/~cbingman From flinnc at hotmail.com Tue Nov 7 14:24:03 2000 From: flinnc at hotmail.com (Flinn Curren) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:24:03 GMT Subject: Positions Available Message-ID: The Department of Marine and Wildlife Resources in American Samoa has two positions opening in the near future: Fishery Biologist and Coral Reef Initiative Coordinator. Deadline for applications is November 30, 2000. For more information, please see our website at: http://wpacfin.nmfs.hawaii.edu/as/as_dmwr_fram.htm _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From oveh at uq.edu.au Tue Nov 7 17:12:54 2000 From: oveh at uq.edu.au (Ove Hoegh-Guldberg) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 08:12:54 +1000 Subject: Proceedings on CD In-Reply-To: <3A082BCE.52.1185730@localhost> Message-ID: My thoughts exactly. There are some great advantages to be had from CD distribution. I would suggest that people can still purchase the volumes as they need etc. Cheers, Ove -----Original Message----- From: owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov]On Behalf Of GJ Gast Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2000 1:21 AM To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov Subject: Proceedings on CD Dear all, Ove wrote: > > The only problem is that not all people will have access to good web resources. > A CD with manuscripts could be burnt that might be offered to those scientists > who do not have the benefit of fast Internet resources. > > Regards, > > Ove I have in Bali coined the idea of printing and distributing the symposium proceedings on CD. Some advantages I see: 1. Printing costs of the paper version are about US$100,000 plus roughly US$20 on postage for each. A CD costs less than one dollar and postage is hardly more than a normal letter. With 1500 participants the paper version costs 130,000 and the CD version roughly 3000, an almost 98% reduction of the costs. 2. CD's are now 900 MB, undoubtably larger in 4 years. So a 1000 authors will have about 1 MB each for their paper. A paper can be written in any format the author wishes. MS Word obviously, but why not in HTML as a web page? Colours can be used, tables, graphs, pictures, models, simulations and data sets as long as it fits the set amount of disk space. If the articles are burned on 2 CD's every author will have 2 MB. There is no limit. 3. Lay-out of the papers can be done by the authors, which means a tremendous reduction of the work load for the symposium proceedings editor. This allows the publication of the proceedings a few months after the symposium rather than a few years. 4. In the proceedings of the Bali meeting only 400 papers out of over a 1000 oral contributions will be selected for publications. There is no such reduction necessary when working with CD's. 5. You can easily share your copy with your students or co-workers by placing it on the internal network or by simply burning copies. 6. Even in the developing countries computers with CD ROM players are common now. Everybody can use a CD. 7. If the structure of the CD is written in HTML the whole thing can easily be made available through a webpage as well. My two cents. Cheers, GJ. =============================================== Dr. Gert Jan Gast Oostelijke Handelskade 31 1019BL Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Phone int 31 (0)20 4198607 Please use as primary address for large attachments. My permanent email address is . Please remove from your address book. It can't be used web-based and will stop some time in the future. From dbucher at scu.edu.au Tue Nov 7 21:23:35 2000 From: dbucher at scu.edu.au (Daniel Bucher) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:23:35 +1100 Subject: Proceedings on CD and my wish In-Reply-To: References: <3A082BCE.52.1185730@localhost> Message-ID: I like the idea of the proceedings on CD so much I don't think we should wait for the next symposium. Like all other student participants at Bali I will not receive a copy of the printed proceedings. Proceedings only go to full participants, which means the they cost around US$250 (~AU$500!!), well beyond the budget of the majority of students. Given the value of the proceedings of previous symposia to my PhD studies, I think that students should be a priority group to receive proceedings in some form. What about pressing some CDs of the 2000 symposium for distribution to student participants who will otherwise miss out on this valuable resource? Just transfer the final manuscripts as they are submitted in MS word (I agree with the suggestion of non-proprietary formats such as RTF or HTML for any future CD publications, but the final manuscripts for the Bali symposium will be submitted in MSword anyway). To Rob and the Okinawa organisers: I noticed at Bali that attendances dropped during the last couple of days, and I knew of many who understandably took a day or an afternoon off to do some sight-seeing or relaxing. Perhaps a 5-day symposuim should be more like a 5-day cricket test match - with a scheduled rest day (straight after the conference dinner perhaps), with organised short field trips included in the registration fee (e.g. dive some nearby reefs, or visit an aquaculture facility or a local research centre). Many Bali participants didn't even leave the Nusa Dua complex except in the airport shuttle, so for them the location of the conference was irrelevent. If Ove's format was adopted for the bulk of the presentations, the scientific program could be fitted into 4 days with a rest/field trip day in the middle. I think it would be important for the field trips to have some scientific merit rather than just be for sightseeing, but some cultural element wouldn't go astray. Cheers, Danny ----------------------------------------------- * * * + DANIEL BUCHER * Lecturer in Biology/Fisheries Biology/Marine Ecosystems School of Resource Science & Management SOUTHERN CROSS UNIVERSITY P.O. Box 157, Lismore, N.S.W. Australia, 2480 Phone: 02 6620 3665 Fax: 02 6621 2669 E-mail: dbucher at scu.edu.au web page at: http://www.scu.edu.au/staff_pages/dbucher School web page at: http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/rsm/ ------------------------------------------------- From d.fenner at aims.gov.au Wed Nov 8 15:34:37 2000 From: d.fenner at aims.gov.au (Doug Fenner) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 15:34:37 Subject: Proceedings CD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001108153437.00b42100@email.aims.gov.au> Danny, I also like the idea of making the proceedings of this symposium available in electronic form, CD and/or web. People in developing countries find the paper published Proceedings prohibitively expensive, just as many students do. And libraries in developing countries do as well, so both scientists and students there not only can't afford it for themselves, but also can't find it in their libraries. Further, I suggest that instead of limiting the CD to the 400 papers that can be accomodated in the printed proceedings, all who wish to have their Bali papers included in the CD be allowed. There may be many additional valuable contributions that would not be disseminated to people who could use the information. One of the enormous advantages of the Symposium and the proceedings is that they are so open to contributors, yet the quality remains high. The Symposium and Society have done a great job being inclusive while maintaining quality, lets continue. Libraries that can afford it may continue to prefer the printed version, since electronic versions can become unreadable after several new generations of media (if the contents are not copied over into each new medium). -Doug Douglas Fenner, Ph.D. Coral Biodiversity/Taxonomist Australian Institute of Marine Science PMB No 3 Townsville MC Queensland 4810 Australia phone 07 4753 4334 e-mail: d.fenner at aims.gov.au web: http://www.aims.gov.au From dugong at md2.vsnl.net.in Wed Nov 8 02:28:36 2000 From: dugong at md2.vsnl.net.in (Z.S.I.M.B.S,Chennai) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 12:58:36 +0530 Subject: Ladan References: <20001103192029.1AE6943B029@roland.augsburg.edu> Message-ID: <3A0900A4.7C72C539@md2.vsnl.net.in> " IN HER UNTIMELY DEMISE THE WORLD HAS LOST A ENTHUSIASTIC REEF SCIENTIST AND WE ALL A DEPENDABLE FRIEND. I WISH TO CONVEY MY HEARTFELT CONDOLENCES TO THE MEMBERS OF THE BEREAVED FAMILY AND PRAY THAT THE DEPARTED SOUL MAY REST IN PEACE." Raman, Zoological Survey of India Marine Biological Station, 100, Santhome High Road Chennai 600 028 India phone 091 44 4942680 email dugong at md2.vsnl.net.in From oveh at uq.edu.au Wed Nov 8 02:26:33 2000 From: oveh at uq.edu.au (Ove Hoegh-Guldberg) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 17:26:33 +1000 Subject: 9ICRS debate on coral reefs and climate change In-Reply-To: <3A07FF59.EF532859@superaje.com> Message-ID: I take the comment about the weir at Heron. Sea level rise is likely not to be an issue if corals are growing healthily and normally. But as was discussed at the Thursday night session, the effects of sea level rise are likely to be negative if corals are are not growing and reproducing normally. As most evidence would suggest that this is likely to be the case in warming and expanding oceans, one would conclude that sea level rise is unlikely to represent a great boon or compensator in terms of our rapidly warming world. Ove -----Original Message----- From: Don McAllister [mailto:mcall at superaje.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2000 11:11 PM To: Nerilie Abram Cc: oveh at uq.edu.au; helen.mcgregor at anu.edu.au; coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov Subject: Re: 9ICRS debate on coral reefs and climate change Nerilie Abram wrote: We fully agree that temperature rise and CO2 rise are serious and potentially devastating threats to the future of coral reefs, however we firmly believe that sea level rise is not a threat to coral reefs. Geological evidence in fact suggests quite the opposite, and under the currently projected rates of future sea level rise coral reefs around the world should easily be able to keep pace with sea level rise and would most likely flourish in the new ?accommodation space? provided for reef growth. An example can be observed on Heron Island, where the construction of a weir resulted in an artificial and immediate sea level rise on the order of metres and has been accompanied by a marked increase in coral reef growth. Of course, given the stresses on reefs by other factors their ability to respond to rising sea level may not be as great as that I ask purely out of ignorance. Was the Heron Island coral coral diversity behind the weir the same as it was before? I can deforests and plow a field and let it go back to nature - but first there will be a lot of weeds and it make take a long time before the balance is what it used to be. The diversity of corals is in some ways related to the much higher degree of diversity of organisms that live amongst them. Less than a 1000 coral species support almost a million species of scientifically named and as yet unnamed species. Can one track such fine detail as species change in the geological record? A few corals take centuries to reach their full size and form. don Don McAllister Ocean Voice International -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001108/ff26b071/attachment.html From Hoeksema at naturalis.nnm.nl Wed Nov 8 04:25:52 2000 From: Hoeksema at naturalis.nnm.nl (Hoeksema, B.W.) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:25:52 +0100 Subject: Proceedings on CD and my wish Message-ID: <72EE9065F361D41185C20000F877DA79148E8C@mail.nnm.nl> Dear coral-listers, symposium attendants, I do not think that we should discuss and decide on behalf of the 9ICRS organisation committee. Nevertheless, a CD in addition to the printed volumes (as planned) seems a good plan to me. Published CD's are not necessarily inexpensive. This is still the responsibility of the committee. You save on printing and shipping but maybe not on other production costs. We should not speculate about prices. Many of us do not know about prices in Indonesia and we probably should not just look at the difference between regular and student symposium fees. Hotel accommodation and renting conference space will probably not be cheap during the 10ICRS. A scheduled rest day would be a waste of time and money to many people with tight schedules who come to the symposium to convene and not to relax. I thought that this discussion was started because we did not have enough time to attend all presentations. best regards, Bert Dr. Bert W. Hoeksema Department of Invertebrates Coordinator Marine Research National Museum of Natural History Naturalis P.O. Box 9517 2300 RA Leiden The Netherlands Tel. +31.71.5687631 Fax +31.71.5687666 E-mail: Hoeksema at naturalis.nnm.nl > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Daniel Bucher [SMTP:dbucher at scu.edu.au] > Verzonden: woensdag 8 november 2000 3:24 > Aan: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov > CC: Robert van Woesik > Onderwerp: RE: Proceedings on CD and my wish > > I like the idea of the proceedings on CD so much I don't think we should > wait for the next symposium. Like all other student participants at Bali I > will not receive a copy of the printed proceedings. Proceedings only go to > full participants, which means the they cost around US$250 (~AU$500!!), > well beyond the budget of the majority of students. Given the value of the > proceedings of previous symposia to my PhD studies, I think that students > should be a priority group to receive proceedings in some form. > What about pressing some CDs of the 2000 symposium for distribution to > student participants who will otherwise miss out on this valuable > resource? > Just transfer the final manuscripts as they are submitted in MS word (I > agree with the suggestion of non-proprietary formats such as RTF or HTML > for any future CD publications, but the final manuscripts for the Bali > symposium will be submitted in MSword anyway). > > To Rob and the Okinawa organisers: > > I noticed at Bali that attendances dropped during the last couple of days, > and I knew of many who understandably took a day or an afternoon off to do > some sight-seeing or relaxing. Perhaps a 5-day symposuim should be more > like a 5-day cricket test match - with a scheduled rest day (straight > after > the conference dinner perhaps), with organised short field trips included > in the registration fee (e.g. dive some nearby reefs, or visit an > aquaculture facility or a local research centre). Many Bali participants > didn't even leave the Nusa Dua complex except in the airport shuttle, so > for them the location of the conference was irrelevent. If Ove's format > was > adopted for the bulk of the presentations, the scientific program could be > fitted into 4 days with a rest/field trip day in the middle. I think it > would be important for the field trips to have some scientific merit > rather > than just be for sightseeing, but some cultural element wouldn't go > astray. > > > Cheers, Danny > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > * > * * > + > DANIEL BUCHER * > > Lecturer in Biology/Fisheries Biology/Marine Ecosystems > School of Resource Science & Management > > SOUTHERN CROSS UNIVERSITY > P.O. Box 157, Lismore, N.S.W. Australia, 2480 > Phone: 02 6620 3665 Fax: 02 6621 2669 > > E-mail: dbucher at scu.edu.au > web page at: http://www.scu.edu.au/staff_pages/dbucher > School web page at: http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/rsm/ > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > From rupert.ormond at millport.gla.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 07:02:10 2000 From: rupert.ormond at millport.gla.ac.uk (Rupert Ormond) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 12:02:10 +0000 Subject: Bali/Japan - one wish In-Reply-To: <200011010951.JAA60605@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20001108120210.015625f0@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk> Dear Robert et al. May I add a few comments to the debate about the next ICR symposium and its proceedings, partly reflecting chats with various folk in Bali. David and team of course did amazingly well with such a big event, so none of this is intended to be critical of that meeting. With 14 parallel sessions I (and I suspect many others) found it a huge frustration to be missing 13 / 14ths of the meeting even though I was there. (This is at least a consolation to the people who couldn't make the meeting at all). And with so many sessions and papers it was perhaps inevitable that closely similar papers on the same topic sometimes ended up in several different mini-symposia. Added to this such were the queues for registration that many of us didn't manage to get our book of abstract until late on the Monday, and the idea of reading abstracts ahead of time to decide which session to attend proved impossible. Related to the large number of papers / sessions, while I know many participants find it difficult to get funding unless they are presenting a paper, I suspect that had it been clear earlier that only 400 contributions can be published in the Proceedings, not quite so many folk would have offered quite so many papers. One solution therefore might be to adopt a model that has been tried successfully elsewhere. That is to Abandon publishing any Proceedings (at least of non-plenary lectures) following the conference, but instead to allow full one page abstracts, i.e. 3 or 4 times as long as the present ones, long enough to include one or two tables or figures. Possible advantages are: 1. it does away with the work and expense of publishing glossy proceedings. 2. we get a better record of the main points of the presentations we didn't get to, and get it at or before the meeting, rather than a year later. 3. not so many folk would submit papers just as an easy way of getting a publication. Combined with the idea of having the proceedings, or enhanced abstracts on the web (and CD) as suggested by other coral-listers, this could mean we'd be much better placed ahead of time to select the people we are keen to hear or liaise with, and we'd all have a better idea of the range of material being presented. If I can allude briefly to a second wish, the other frustration was that on at least a couple of evenings two or three overlapping-interest fringe meetings clashed, and indeed seemed to have been organised without awareness of each other. Trust the above might be helpful. Best wishes Rupert Ormond Dr. Rupert Ormond Director, University Marine Biological Station Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, SCOTLAND UK KA28 0EG email: rupert.ormond at millport.gla.ac.uk tel: (44)-01475-530581 fax: (44)-01475-530601 web: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Marine/ From hendee at aoml.noaa.gov Wed Nov 8 09:47:36 2000 From: hendee at aoml.noaa.gov (Jim Hendee) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:47:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Proceedings on CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Better yet, having the documents plus their graphics embedded on the CD as PDF files I believe is a better alternative, as this is becoming the norm for documents on CD or on the Web. You need the commercial version of Adobe Acrobat to do this from your word processor (or spreadsheet, or graphics program, or...); or, the editor of the Proceedings would be obliged to do this transcription from the submitted RTF or whatever documents. Just my two cents... Jim From Jonathan.Kelsey at noaa.gov Wed Nov 8 10:11:53 2000 From: Jonathan.Kelsey at noaa.gov (Jonathan Kelsey) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 10:11:53 -0500 Subject: Proceedings on CD References: <3.0.5.32.20001108153437.00b42100@email.aims.gov.au> Message-ID: <3A096D39.5CF376A@noaa.gov> list - I believe the proceedings of the upcoming Coastal Zone '01 in Cleveland (July 15-19) are going to be published on CD. The CZ '01 conference, as many of you may know, is similar in size and scope and may be an experience in CD publishing to follow and/or learn from. - Jonathan Doug Fenner wrote: > Danny, > I also like the idea of making the proceedings of this symposium > available in electronic form, CD and/or web. People in developing > countries find the > paper published Proceedings prohibitively expensive, just as many students > do. And libraries in developing countries do as well, so both scientists > and students there not only can't afford it for themselves, but also can't > find it in their libraries. > Further, I suggest that instead of limiting the CD to the 400 papers > that can be accomodated in the printed proceedings, all who wish to have > their Bali papers included in the CD be allowed. There may be many > additional valuable contributions that would not be disseminated to people > who could use the information. One of the enormous advantages of the > Symposium and the proceedings is that they are so open to contributors, yet > the quality remains high. The Symposium and Society have done a great job > being inclusive while maintaining quality, lets continue. > Libraries that can afford it may continue to prefer the printed version, > since electronic versions can become unreadable after several new > generations of media (if the contents are not copied over into each new > medium). > -Doug > > Douglas Fenner, Ph.D. > Coral Biodiversity/Taxonomist > Australian Institute of Marine Science > PMB No 3 > Townsville MC > Queensland 4810 > Australia > phone 07 4753 4334 > e-mail: d.fenner at aims.gov.au > web: http://www.aims.gov.au -- Jonathan D. Kelsey Coastal Management Specialist, Pacific Region NOAA/NOS/Coastal Programs Division 1305 East-West Highway, 11th Floor Silver Spring, MD 20910 (301) 713-3155 x137 (301) 713-4367 (fax) From emueller at mote.org Wed Nov 8 10:54:23 2000 From: emueller at mote.org (Erich Mueller) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:54:23 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: future ICRS ideas Message-ID: To all: Although some of you may be tiring of the discussion regarding the future direction of the ICRS, I think this discussion is essential to help guide the format of future meetings. In past "lives", I have attended much larger meetings in several other scientific areas - biomedical, chemical and engineering. None of these large meetings adopted an innovative format - they merely ran many concurrent sessions. But I think that coral reef scientists are generally different from attendees in those meetings in that we have very diverse interests under the umbrella of "reef science". Indeed we must in order to understand these complex systems. So the old format works for some areas of science because research directions are often highly focused and only a few sessions are of interest to a given scientist (this is, of course, a generalization with many exceptions). Many good ideas have been circulated and there are more to come. Here are my thoughts: 1) Because we all have something to learn from each other, I think we need a meeting format that maximizes synthesis, demonstrating consensus where present and vigorous discussion of controversial and emerging issues.With this in mind, here are some format ideas (similar to some already suggested but I lost the relevant email references in my over zealous expunging of the inbox!). a) Invited plenaries in perhaps 12-20 key sub-fields (i.e. geologic processes, reef fish ecology, coral physiology, etc., etc.) with specific instructions to the speakers to discuss areas of consensus and controversy. 45 minute talk with at least 45 minutes for discussion. There must be multiple microphones and judicious oversight by a moderator to maximize audience participation. Students and others that may not wish to comment will have the opportunity to hear diverse opinions. Suggest two sessions in AM and 2-3 in the afternoon. Such a format requires a large hall but reduces the need for many medium-sized rooms in addition, perhaps reducing conference cost. b) Another way that consensus and controversy can be presented would be via panel discussions with audience participation. Similar topical and time format as above. c) Poster presentations would be essential unlimited so that anyone may present their results. A large room would be required and two sessions would likely be necessary (but posters should be up at least 2 days). 2) In addition to the plenaries and (perhaps) transcripts of the ensuing discussions, all poster authors would be invited to submit a manuscript. I do not agree that all should be published but limitation should be based on peer-review and not financial or arbitrary page considerations. 3) The idea of electronic publishing is excellent for the many reasons that others have cited. The final abstracts and manuscripts should be distributed via CD but searchable Web publishing of abstracts would be particularly valuable prior to the meeting. 4) Finally, I would like to encourage participation in regional meetings. Hopefully, these can be kept manageable in size and give more authors, particularly students, opportunities for oral presentations. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erich Mueller, Ph.D., Director Phone: (305) 745-2729 Mote Marine Laboratory FAX: (305) 745-2730 Center for Tropical Research Email: emueller at mote.org 24244 Overseas Highway (US 1) Summerland Key, FL 33042 Center Website-> http://www.mote.org/~emueller/CTRHome.phtml Mote Marine Laboratory Website-> http://www.mote.org Remarks are personal opinion and do not reflect institutional policy unless so indicated. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From alark at mail.usyd.edu.au Mon Nov 6 19:07:04 2000 From: alark at mail.usyd.edu.au (Tony Larkum) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:07:04 +1100 Subject: Bali/Japan - Future Plans Message-ID: <200011081719.RAA82623@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Dear Robert, The problems faced in Bali are not a new phenomenon. As=20 societies grow they have all come to face similar problems. The=20 Neurobiology and Cell Biology conferences these days have between=20 5,000 and 10,000 participants - and they still survive. However there has to be a radical departure from the previous=20 attitude that prevails in small societies - that everybody has a=20 right to present a paper orally. Various big societies tackle this=20 in various ways but it is clear that if there are 5,000 to 10,000=20 participants they cannot all present papers (and this is even a=20 problem when there are 1,000 participants as was shown up in Bali). In the International Photosynthesis Congress (where I am the=20 Program Organiser for the next Congress in Brisbane, next August) the=20 solution has been to give everybody the right to present a poster and=20 no-one has an absolute right to speak. the International Committee=20 then sets up a program with Invited Plenary Speakers (same as ICRS)=20 and Chairs and Co-Chairs of Symposia (which are chosen to represent=20 the range of interests). The Chairs and Co-chairs then invite two=20 eminent speakers in their area. These four scientists then organise=20 their symposium with additional participants. In addition various=20 general or topical symposia are set up. For these latter a Chair and=20 Co-chair are nominated and they organise the symposium on the spot at=20 the Congress by reviewing posters and then organising a discussion=20 session with 2-5 min contributions from the selected poster=20 presenters and comments from the audience. In addition there are=20 poster sessions when on can meet the poster presenters. Up to now 4 page Congress articles have been accepted at the=20 Congress and published in the next few months. In the next round=20 these will be published on the Web and on CD. The Photosynthesis Congresses have run very successfully in=20 this way now for 20 years There are other ways of doing it. Maybe there is a special=20 emphasis on giving young scientists the chance to speak. But the=20 principle of setting it all around posters is a good one, I believe.=20 In Brisbane next year all posters (>1,000) will be up all week. This=20 gives everybody a chance to browse over a wide selection of=20 categories, to meet presenters and to voice comments in general and=20 in particular at the convened symposia. Best of Luck with Okinawa! Tony Larkum From J.Larcombe at RGS.org Tue Nov 7 03:45:40 2000 From: J.Larcombe at RGS.org (Juliet Larcombe) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:45:40 -0000 Subject: Shoals of Capricorn Programme - Volunteer posts available Message-ID: <200011081723.RAA67828@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Shoals of Capricorn Programme Voluntary positions available The Shoals of Capricorn Programme base on the Mauritian island of Rodrigues has two volunteer positions for marine biology graduates interested in tropical marine research and community education. The posts are for a minimum of six months. The Shoals of Capricorn is a marine research, training and education programme run by the Royal Geographical Society (with IBG) in association with the Royal Society and governments of Seychelles and Mauritius. The Shoals base has thriving marine research and education projects which have been running since March 1999. The base needs motivated and committed individuals who can quickly make an impact to fulfil growing commitments and develop projects over the next year. They will join a team of two residential scientists and Rodriguan educators and technical assistants. Further details about the project can be found at http://www.shoalsofcapricorn.org 1.Research Assistant Job description: Assist ongoing Shoals research activities with emphasis on intertidal, sedimentation, benthic and mangrove studies. Training of local counterparts and participation in other education activities and routine work. Minimum qualifications and skills: BSc (Hons) Marine Biology or Oceanography Additional important skills: French language, advanced I.T. (e.g. MS Windows, html) relevant experience in tropical environments and intertidal research work. 2. Education Assistant Job description: Secondary school level course development, lectures, coastal and snorkelling activities. Swimming and snorkelling lessons. 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From r.leinfelder at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Nov 8 02:44:58 2000 From: r.leinfelder at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Reinhold Leinfelder) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 08:44:58 +0100 Subject: Proceedings on CD - pdf-format Message-ID: <200011081725.RAA82656@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Not having been able this time to attend the meeting I would greatly welcome access already to the Bali proceedings both through the web and by CD. To have a compatible and easily printable format, html could be certainly used. However I would rather recommend using pdf-Files for both versions (web and CD). This would have the following advantages: * opening and printing of files from all platforms would be possible (similar to pdf). * file size is much smaller than e.g. for a .doc or .rtf-file (especially if the documents are converted into screen-optimized pdfs). * when downloading a paper from the web, one paper would be one file only (unlike in html where text and figs are separated into different files) * formatting of the paper could be done in any word processor, pagemaker or other software by the authors. After conversion to pdf, format would be maintained and would look similar to a printed version. * The tool to read and print pdfs is free (Acrobat Reader) and could be included in any CD. * Many servers provide full text indexing of pdf-files, so the whole proceedings could be searched in full text mode. There is only one minor problem: Conversion from any other file format is fairly simple but needs the Acrobat software which costs money (except for the Mac where there is a shareware conversation tool called 'print to pdf' or by using pagemaker which has pdf-format as an output option) . However, conversation into pdf could be even done on the fly on a server designed for this (by uploading a word processor file including figures via ftp to a 'watched' directory, which then automatically transfers files into pdf-format). Would be great to have already the Bali proceedings both on the web and on CD! Regards Reinhold Leinfelder At 18:08 Uhr +0100 07.11.2000, GJ Gast wrote: >... >I have in Bali coined the idea of printing and distributing the symposium >proceedings on CD. Some advantages I see: > >1. Printing costs of the paper version are about US$100,000 plus roughly >US$20 on postage for each. A CD costs less than one dollar and postage is >hardly more than a normal letter. With 1500 participants the paper version >costs 130,000 and the CD version roughly 3000, an almost 98% reduction of >the costs. > >2. CD's are now 900 MB, undoubtably larger in 4 years. So a 1000 authors >will have about 1 MB each for their paper. A paper can be written in any >format the author wishes. MS Word obviously, but why not in HTML as a >web page? Colours can be used, tables, graphs, pictures, models, >simulations and data sets as long as it fits the set amount of disk space. If >the articles are burned on 2 CD's every author will have 2 MB. There is no >limit. > >3. Lay-out of the papers can be done by the authors, which means a >tremendous reduction of the work load for the symposium proceedings >editor. This allows the publication of the proceedings a few months after the >symposium rather than a few years. > >4. In the proceedings of the Bali meeting only 400 papers out of over a 1000 >oral contributions will be selected for publications. There is no >such reduction >necessary when working with CD's. > >5. You can easily share your copy with your students or co-workers by >placing it on the internal network or by simply burning copies. > >6. Even in the developing countries computers with CD ROM players are >common now. Everybody can use a CD. > >7. If the structure of the CD is written in HTML the whole thing can easily be >made available through a webpage as well. > >My two cents. Cheers, GJ. -- ******************************************** Reinhold Leinfelder Universitaetsinstitut und Bayerische Staatssammlung fuer Palaeontologie und Historische Geologie, Palaeontologisches Museum Richard-Wagner-Str. 10 D-80333 Muenchen Germany e-mail: r.leinfelder at lrz.uni-muenchen.de phone: ++49-89-2180-6630 fax: ++49-89-2180-6601 Geobiology Munich Web Services Geobiology/Palaeontology Munich: http://www.palaeontologie.geo.uni-muenchen.de The (Palaeo-)Environment Information Server, Munich: http://www.palaeo.de/palaeo.html Reef Group Munich-Stuttgart: http://www.palaeo.de/reefgroup Reef resources and reef information for everybody: http://www.riffe.de Dive into the Jurassic Reef Park! http://www.palaeo.de/edu/JRP Virtual University: http://www.palaeo.de/edu From r.leinfelder at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Nov 8 02:58:16 2000 From: r.leinfelder at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Reinhold Leinfelder) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 08:58:16 +0100 Subject: 9ICRS debate on coral reefs and climate change Message-ID: <200011081725.RAA67892@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> I would agree with Nerilie Abram that sea level rise by itself is not=20 a danger for reef growth, provided reefs are not under stress by=20 other factors. Earth history shows that reefs grew preferentially=20 during sea level rise, since new accomodation space was created and=20 siliciclastic stress was filtered out by the development of coastal=20 swamps. Some might even go so far to say that the only way to protect=20 remote islands, say the Maldives, from floodings owing to sea level=20 rise are healthy reefs which can cope up with the rise and thus=20 protect the islands. However, reefs already smothered by elevated nutrients, by clastic=20 stress, by temperature rise or by diseases will have a reduced=20 productivity and will not be able to compensate sea-level rise by=20 rapid growth. Yet, there is probably is a dangerous link between sea-level rise and=20 increase of surface temperature. If rising sea level is accompanied=20 by a rise of temperatures, then carbonate productivity will probably=20 go down and reefs will again not grow rapidly enough to compensate=20 the rise. Regards Reinhold Leinfelder At 11:46 Uhr +1100 07.11.2000, Nerilie Abram wrote: >Dear Ove, > >We were presenters at the conference in Bali (A9: sea level and A17:=20 >proxy records) and we attended the debate that you hosted on coral=20 >reefs and climate change. We would like to thank you for organising=20 >the debate and would also like to follow up on the response to the=20 >question =93Does climate change represent a risk to coral reefs? If=20 >so, what are the three most worrying variables). > >The three most worrying variables were recorded during the debate as=20 >temperature rise, CO2 rise and sea level rise. We fully agree that=20 >temperature rise and CO2 rise are serious and potentially=20 >devastating threats to the future of coral reefs, however we firmly=20 >believe that sea level rise is not a threat to coral reefs.=20 >Geological evidence in fact suggests quite the opposite, and under=20 >the currently projected rates of future sea level rise coral reefs=20 >around the world should easily be able to keep pace with sea level=20 >rise and would most likely flourish in the new =93accommodation space=94= =20 >provided for reef growth. An example can be observed on Heron=20 >Island, where the construction of a weir resulted in an artificial=20 >and immediate sea level rise on the order of metres and has been=20 >accompanied by a marked increase in coral reef growth. Of course,=20 >given the stresses on reefs by other factors their ability to=20 >respond to rising sea level may not be as great as that preserved in=20 >the geological record, however it is these other factors which need=20 >to be addressed as the threats to the future of coral reefs and not=20 >sea level rise. During the debate the aspect of the future of island=20 >nations was used as reason to keep sea level rise on the list of=20 >worrying variables. The vulnerability of many nations to sea level=20 >rise is undisputable and a very serious concern in climate change=20 >debates, however the question being dealt with in this debate is the=20 >threats to coral reefs. Our fear is that if a statement is sent out=20 >from the scientists of the 9ICRS saying that sea level rise is a=20 >threat to the future of coral reefs then this will undermine the=20 >scientific merit of the rest of the statement and may threaten what=20 >this debate was meant to achieve: a call to action to help save the=20 >coral reefs of the world. > >We would like to suggest that sea level rise be replace with =93other=20 >anthropogenic stresses=94 and that this include factors such as=20 >over-exploitation, land use practises, pollution and even global=20 >population growth. Not only do we believe that these factors are a=20 >much more serious and immediate threat to the future of coral reefs=20 >than sea level rise, but this also provides a number of management=20 >avenues which are not available with the list as it currently=20 >stands. Temperature rise, CO2 rise (and also sea level rise) are=20 >issues which need to be dealt with globally and over very long time=20 >frames. Many anthropogenic stresses can be dealt with locally and=20 >have solutions which can be implemented in relatively short periods=20 >of time. We would like to suggest that the statement that is given=20 >by the scientists from 9ICRS lists the three most worrying risks to=20 >corals reefs as 1) temperature rise, 2) CO2 rise and 3) other=20 >anthropogenic stresses, and that it highlights the need for both=20 >local and global action over a range of time scales from immediate=20 >to long term. > >We would also like to follow up on the suggestion that the questions=20 >dealt with at the debate should be posted on the coral list. We=20 >think that this is an excellent idea and would allow for a broader=20 >cross section of scientists to contribute valuable ideas and=20 >perspectives to this important statement. Thank you again for=20 >organising the debate and I hope that it will result in strong=20 >statement which inspires people throughout the world to help to=20 >preserve the world=92s coral reefs. > >Sincerely >Nerilie Abram and Helen McGregor=20 > >************************************************* >PhD research students >Research School of Earth Sciences >The Australian National University >Canberra 0200 Australia > >Ph=09+61 2 6249 5177 >Ph=09+61 2 6249 3407 >Fax=09+61 2 6249 3683 > >nerilie.abram at anu.edu.au >helen.mcgregor at anu.edu.au --=20 ******************************************** Reinhold Leinfelder Universitaetsinstitut und Bayerische Staatssammlung fuer=20 Palaeontologie und Historische Geologie, Palaeontologisches Museum Richard-Wagner-Str. 10 D-80333 Muenchen Germany e-mail: r.leinfelder at lrz.uni-muenchen.de phone: ++49-89-2180-6630 fax: ++49-89-2180-6601 Geobiology Munich Web Services Geobiology/Palaeontology Munich: http://www.palaeontologie.geo.uni-muenchen= =2Ede The (Palaeo-)Environment Information Server, Munich:=20 http://www.palaeo.de/palaeo.html Reef Group Munich: http://www.palaeo.de/reefgroup Reef resources and reef information for everybody: http://www.riffe.de Dive into the Jurassic Reef Park! http://www.palaeo.de/edu/JRP Virtual University: http://www.palaeo.de/edu --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1238452190=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: 9ICRS debate on coral reefs and climate change

I would agree with Nerilie Abram that sea level rise by itself is not a danger for reef growth, provided reefs are not under stress by other factors. Earth history shows  that reefs grew preferentially during sea level rise, since new accomodation space was created and siliciclastic stress was filtered out by the development of coastal swamps. Some might even go so far to say that the only way to protect remote islands, say the Maldives, from floodings owing to sea level rise are healthy reefs which can cope up with the rise and thus protect the islands.

However, reefs already smothered by elevated nutrients, by clastic stress, by temperature rise or by diseases will have a reduced productivity and will not be able to compensate sea-level rise by rapid growth.

Yet, there is probably is a dangerous link between sea-level rise and increase of surface temperature. If rising sea level is accompanied by a rise of temperatures, then carbonate productivity will probably go down and reefs will again not grow rapidly enough to compensate the rise.

Regards

Reinhold Leinfelder

At 11:46 Uhr +1100 07.11.2000, Nerilie Abram wrote:
Dear Ove,

We were presenters at the conference in Bali (A9: sea level and A17: proxy records) and we attended the debate that you hosted on coral reefs and climate change. We would like to thank you for organising the debate and would also like to follow up on the response to the question =93Does climate change represent a risk to coral reefs? If so, what are the three most worrying variables).

The three most worrying variables were recorded during the debate as temperature rise, CO2 rise and sea level rise. We fully agree that temperature rise and CO2 rise are serious and potentially devastating threats to the future of coral reefs, however we firmly believe that sea level rise is not a threat to coral reefs. Geological evidence in fact suggests quite the opposite, and under the currently projected rates of future sea level rise coral reefs around the world should easily be able to keep pace with sea level rise and would most likely flourish in the new =93accommodation space=94 provided for reef growth. An example can be observed on Heron Island, where the construction of a weir resulted in an artificial and immediate sea level rise on the order of metres and has been accompanied by a marked increase in coral reef growth. Of course, given the stresses on reefs by other factors their ability to respond to rising sea level may not be as great as that preserved in the geological record, however it is these other factors which need to be addressed as the threats to the future of coral reefs and not sea level rise. During the debate the aspect of the future of island nations was used as reason to keep sea level rise on the list of worrying variables. The vulnerability of many nations to sea level rise is undisputable and a very serious concern in climate change debates, however the question being dealt with in this debate is the threats to coral reefs. Our fear is that if a statement is sent out from the scientists of the 9ICRS saying that sea level rise is a threat to the future of coral reefs then this will undermine the scientific merit of the rest of the statement and may threaten what this debate was meant to achieve: a call to action to help save the coral reefs of the world.

We would like to suggest that sea level rise be replace with =93other anthropogenic stresses=94 and that this include factors such as over-exploitation, land use practises, pollution and even global population growth. Not only do we believe that these factors are a much more serious and immediate threat to the future of coral reefs than sea level rise, but this also provides a number of management avenues which are not available with the list as it currently stands. Temperature rise, CO2 rise (and also sea level rise) are issues which need to be dealt with globally and over very long time frames. Many anthropogenic stresses can be dealt with locally and have solutions which can be implemented in relatively short periods of time. We would like to suggest that the statement that is given by the scientists from 9ICRS lists the three most worrying risks to corals reefs as 1) temperature rise, 2) CO2 rise and 3) other anthropogenic stresses, and that it highlights the need for both local and global action over a range of time scales from immediate to long term.

We would also like to follow up on the suggestion that the questions dealt with at the debate should be posted on the coral list. We think that this is an excellent idea and would allow for a broader cross section of scientists to contribute valuable ideas and perspectives to this important statement. Thank you again for organising the debate and I hope that it will result in strong statement which inspires people throughout the world to help to preserve the world=92s coral reefs.

Sincerely
Nerilie Abram and Helen McGregor 

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--=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1238452190=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-- From cmcdh at ultra.net.au Tue Nov 7 21:09:51 2000 From: cmcdh at ultra.net.au (David Hopley) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:09:51 +1000 Subject: Bali/Japan-One wish Message-ID: <200011081817.SAA82928@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Dear List Having played a role in the organisation of the Scientific Program for 9ICRS, I am reading the correspondence which Rob van Woesik has generated with considerable interest. I certainly agree with the sentiments that the size of ICRS is now too large. To help everyone in their deliberations, perhaps a few facts are needed. There were approx 1400 people registered in Bali plus local committee, journalists etc. In the months leading up to the conference, some 1550 abstracts were offered. About 70 of these were withdrawn before the conference, but we had to program 1070 oral presentations and just over 400 posters. Although my final figures have yet to be confirmed, I believe that approx 975 papers were presented orally with 375 scientific posters. With regard to the Proceedings which are being handled by the Indonesian Organising Committee, even two volumes the size of the Panama Proceedings, will allow only 350 papers to be published. Many of the ideas being expressed via coral-list for electronic publication, pre publication etc., I hope can be considered. However, limiting the number of papers given by individuals may also have to be looked at and any new system which is brought in should not encourage the submission of papers by persons who have very little intention of attending. There is considerable cost involved in programming and processing such submissions, especially as when the organisers are not informed of the withdrawal. Please also remember that there are many people interested in ICRS who do not have access to high speed internet connections. As an indication, approximately 10% of those attending 9ICRS did not have any email contact and therefore had to correspond by fax or snail mail, or alternatively had to use another persons facilities. A further 10% did not have access to the Web particularly those in developing countries. Nonetheless I hope that we can make use of new technology and continue to progress. I for one am really looking forward to Okinawa in 2004. David Dr. David Hopley Chair, Scientific Program Committee 9ICRS C/- CRC Reef Research Centre James Cook University TOWNSVILLE QLD 4811 AUSTRALIA Full Program for 9ICRS can now be viewed on our Web Page at: www.nova.edu/ocean/9icrs FAX: +61 7 4779 1400 From delbeek at waquarium.org Wed Nov 8 14:21:09 2000 From: delbeek at waquarium.org (Charles Delbeek) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 09:21:09 -1000 Subject: Symposium Ideas Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001108091950.00b0e038@mail.waquarium.org> Maybe its time to consider running the symposium every two or three years instead of four? If the number of papers has been steadily increasing over the years, running the symposium more frequently may cut down on that. J. Charles Delbeek Aquarium Biologist Waikiki Aquarium 2777 Kalakaua Ave. Honolulu, HI, USA 96815 808-923-9741 808-923-1771 FAX From Mark.Eakin at noaa.gov Wed Nov 8 16:26:48 2000 From: Mark.Eakin at noaa.gov (Mark Eakin) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:26:48 -0500 Subject: Proceedings on CD Message-ID: <2ffe917d.917d2ffe@ngdc.noaa.gov> I was at a meeting of the American Water Resources Association last year that published its proceedings on CD-ROM and a web site only. Cheers, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Kelsey" Date: Wednesday, November 8, 2000 10:11 am Subject: Re: Proceedings on CD > list - > I believe the proceedings of the upcoming Coastal Zone '01 in > Cleveland (July > 15-19) are going to be published on CD. The CZ '01 conference, > as many of you > may know, is similar in size and scope and may be an experience in CD > publishing to follow and/or learn from. > - Jonathan > > > > > Doug Fenner wrote: > > > Danny, > > I also like the idea of making the proceedings of this symposium > > available in electronic form, CD and/or web. People in developing > > countries find the > > paper published Proceedings prohibitively expensive, just as > many students > > do. And libraries in developing countries do as well, so both > scientists> and students there not only can't afford it for > themselves, but also can't > > find it in their libraries. > > Further, I suggest that instead of limiting the CD to the 400 > papers> that can be accomodated in the printed proceedings, all > who wish to have > > their Bali papers included in the CD be allowed. There may be many > > additional valuable contributions that would not be disseminated > to people > > who could use the information. One of the enormous advantages > of the > > Symposium and the proceedings is that they are so open to > contributors, yet > > the quality remains high. The Symposium and Society have done a > great job > > being inclusive while maintaining quality, lets continue. > > Libraries that can afford it may continue to prefer the > printed version, > > since electronic versions can become unreadable after several new > > generations of media (if the contents are not copied over into > each new > > medium). > > -Doug > > > > Douglas Fenner, Ph.D. > > Coral Biodiversity/Taxonomist > > Australian Institute of Marine Science > > PMB No 3 > > Townsville MC > > Queensland 4810 > > Australia > > phone 07 4753 4334 > > e-mail: d.fenner at aims.gov.au > > web: http://www.aims.gov.au > > -- > Jonathan D. Kelsey > Coastal Management Specialist, Pacific Region > NOAA/NOS/Coastal Programs Division > 1305 East-West Highway, 11th Floor > Silver Spring, MD 20910 > (301) 713-3155 x137 > (301) 713-4367 (fax) > > > From skelton_p at student.usp.ac.fj Wed Nov 8 17:50:19 2000 From: skelton_p at student.usp.ac.fj (skelton_p at student.usp.ac.fj) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:50:19 +1200 Subject: More on CD-proceedings Message-ID: <01JWC0G7I1J60026WP@usp.ac.fj> Bula all, The International Ocean Institute (IOI) held its 27th Pacem in Maribus (Peace in the Oceans) Conference in Suva, FIJI last November 1999. The Conference Proceedings will be available on CD by the end of this month. The cost of producing this is extremely modest. Included on the CD are images taken during the Conference. Articles are both in PDF format or regular Microsoft doc files. Acrobat Reader is also included to enable users to use the PDF files. The CD is user friendly with detailed instructions on how to use it. Items in the Proceedings can be searched by Keywords, Authors, etc. Paper copies of the Proceedings are also printed for those who have limited or no access to computers. This method was adopted due to the need to reduce shipping and postage costs, among others. It is apparent that the number of users advocating for Proceedings to be on CD is high and hopefully my humble vote for it may induce some favourable actions. Thanking you for your time, Posa A. Skelton Marine Studies Programme The University of the South Pacific PO Box 1168 Suva, FIJI Ph. (679) 212887 Fax (679) 301490 eMail: skelton_p at student.usp.ac.fj From jsperoni at enviroweb.org Wed Nov 8 10:20:10 2000 From: jsperoni at enviroweb.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Jos=E9_A=2E_Speroni=22?=) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 12:20:10 -0300 Subject: CDs and Web Site based Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001108122010.008136c0@freenet.enviroweb.org> I agree with the idea of papers and procedings available on both, CD and Web site. The CD will provide an inexpensive source of data for anyone having a PC. It's also easy to carry from one machine to another, search the data contained by keywords, and keep it available at anytime for reference, printing, citations, etc. Web based can provide the same information for those not interested or not having the CDs. Also updated information not yet available at CDs could be presented at Web based sites. Because Internet hook up is still expensive and slow for a lot of people (me included), downloading information is a very time (and money) consuming task. A Cd source for the same data will be (in my opinion) very welcomed. Regards Jos? Jose A. Speroni, Med.Vet. E-mail: jsperoni at enviroweb.org C.E.I.H. ar784 at lafn.org C.C. 18 cj313 at ncf.ca (7100) Dolores ICQ: 41190790 Buenos Aires Phone: +54(2245)44-2350 REPUBLICA ARGENTINA Fax: +54(2245)44-0625 *********************************************************************** The CENTRO DE ESTUDIOS E INVESTIGACIONES HERPETOLOGICAS gratefully acknowledges the support received from: Birgit Schmettkamp Verlag (Germany), Mantella Publishing (UK) Research Information Systems, Inc. (USA), Reptilia (Spain) Clark Development Company, Inc. (USA), FTP Software, Inc. (USA) Key Tronic Corporation (USA), Colorado Memory Systems, Inc. (USA) *********************************************************************** "Many feel that Gary Kildall, the inventor, should have received the dollars and kudos that went to Bill Gates, the merchandiser." CS, Nov. 1994 From McCarty_and_Peters at compuserve.com Wed Nov 8 18:53:12 2000 From: McCarty_and_Peters at compuserve.com (McCarty and Peters) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:53:12 -0500 Subject: More on the proceedings Message-ID: <200011081853_MC2-BA30-B19A@compuserve.com> To the Coral List and the 2004 Symposium Organizers, I have been following the debate about how to distribute the valuable information from the next ICRS with interest. I also have about 15 years of experience organizing national conferences and distributing technical information for government clients. I offer the following observations for your consideration. First, the proceedings of the meetings are valuable to a wide range of researchers, managers, and others with widely disparate information technology capabilities. As noted by others on the list, many of the world's reefs are in less developed parts of the globe. I suggest that all three proposed modes of distribution be used, namely: - Attendees should have the option to receive the hard copy of the proceedings some time after the meeting. This should be available at a cost commensurate with producing and distributing them, but not as a means to recoup other meeting costs. - Attendees, including students, should have the option to obtain the proceedings on CD-ROM, some time after the meeting. Again, the cost should reflect the production costs only. - Information should be available via the web to non-attendees for free. Given these three modes of distribution, the sensible approach is to use the Adobe portable document format (PDF) for all documents. Among other things, it is relatively inviolate and produces files of manageable size for electronic transfer. Most importantly, the Acrobat Reader software is available for free to users of a variety of different computer operating (PC, Mac, Unix) from Adobe. The Reader software can also be included on the CD-ROM at no cost, for those who may not want to download it from Adobe. The suggestion to use MS Word is impractical at best. First, by 2004, Microsoft will probably have released at least one more update of Word, as well as one or more new operating systems, and innumerable "service packs" to fix the bugs in those releases. Given past experience, there is a good chance that they will change the file format again, limiting the ability of some people to access new Word files. In addition, MS Word is notorious for "file bloat," producing word processing files of a much larger size than other common word processing software for the exact same text. Bigger files mean larger data storage requirements, including more CDs. The suggestions of the RTF format or HTML are better than Word's native format, but as noted by someone else, HTML files produced from Word are of notoriously poor quality. The PDF format is far superior in terms of graphics resolution and file size. Keep in mind that even in the US, many of us still access the web via a modem and large file downloads are painful and sometimes expensive. The situation in other countries is not necessarily any better outside of universities. Ove's original suggestion of submitting papers in advance of the meeting is admirable, but largely impractical. While I have not seen the abstracts from the Bali meeting, I'm certain that many contain phrases like "the results will be discussed" and "conclusions will be drawn." These are well known as euphemisms for "I have not done the experiment yet" and "I'm still looking at the data." The coral research community is no different from any other scientific constituency in that regard. Requiring completed papers to be submitted several months in advance of the meeting will not only eliminate submissions of important works in progress, it will limit late-breaking study results. Yes, the author can mention them during the presentation, but if they are not in the paper published in the proceedings, they do not exist for all intents and purposes. More importantly, this meeting is held once every four years. Is anyone really that desperate for information that they cannot contact the author privately after the meeting to obtain information that might not be available in the proceedings for 6 months? A simple web-based list of presenters, paper titles, e-mail addresses, and postal addresses would cover those who need the information sooner rather than later. Early provision of the papers also eliminates the important role of peer review in compiling the information. There is great benefit to all to obtain papers after some level of both technical and editorial review, and that takes time. I do not know the position of the ICRS organizers, but at many other major meetings, not every paper warrants inclusion in the proceedings published after the meeting. Otherwise, why not simply have a verbatim transcript of the meeting itself, supplemented by copies of everyone's slides? I have been involved in a national meeting that has done just that for 24 years. It can be effective, but is not the same as a good quality set of proceedings that have undergone some level of peer review. Despite the fact that one can read the information off a computer screen from a word processing file or a HTML file, many people still prefer hard copy. As the population of coral researchers ages, this may be even more of an issue. Although there are a large number of papers at this meeting, there may still be only a few in which one has an intense interest. Trying to find that one paper three years from now on a CD, or on a web site that may not be there anymore, is less than convenient. Therefore, we need to be able to print off good quality paper copies locally. The PDF format facilitates that. Again, the Acrobat Reader software is free, unlike Word or other word processing packages. And as anyone who has ever tried to print a web page knows, HTML is not the same as desktop publishing or word processing. Graphics move out of place depending on your screen resolution, default font size, or actual printer used. No web author can control those variables and others sufficiently to present the sort of information that is embodied in a formal scientific paper and only a fool will try. In summary, three modes of distribution are readily available and are easily interconnected. Get the papers in an electronic format of the author's choosing, i.e., any common word processing software. After review and acceptance, convert them all to PDF files. Print the paper copy from the final PDF files, bind it and mail it to those who want it enough to pay the cost. Put all the PDF files on a CD-ROM (or two) and mail that to those who prefer that format and cost. Create some relatively simple HTML files for a web site dedicated to the proceedings. At the simplest, a table of the authors and paper titles could be used to link to each PDF. A bit more effort could yield a searchable database of authors, titles, and key words that links the user to the PDF files. Post it on a web site managed by the meeting organizers, publicize it, and keep it available until the next meeting. The first two formats bear the brunt of the production costs in any event, thus allowing the free distribution of the information via the web. The web site should also contain information on how to order the whole proceedings on CD-ROM, again, at a cost commensurate with producing that format. As for whether or not we should be debating this - why not? The organizing committee appears to have done an very good job on the Bali meeting, despite the logistical problems of such a large meeting and so many papers. The organizers for the 10th meeting have a daunting task in front of them too. But without the speakers and the audience, there would not be a meeting. If we do not speak up here and now, when we will ever be heard? That my two cents (apparently, four cents Australian). Chip McCarty From discus at interpoint.net Wed Nov 8 16:24:16 2000 From: discus at interpoint.net (Marc Weiss) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:24:16 -0500 Subject: ancient seas Message-ID: <200011090931.JAA84386@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> If you could answer these questions it would help with article I'm writing (for hobby press, not peer reviewed). I won't quote you unless you want me too and it can be a "generally accepted" type of answer: It is a given that the (mineral) chemical composition of the sea is homgeneous world wide. 1-At what point in time did the sea "stabilize" to some approximation of this chemical proportion that we have today? 2-At what point in time did the scleratina (or other "modern" reef benthos for that matter) come into being? Thanks if you can answer or refer me to one. best, Marc From slcoles at bishopmuseum.org Thu Nov 9 15:08:29 2000 From: slcoles at bishopmuseum.org (Steve Coles) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:08:29 -1000 Subject: Coral Reef Symposium Message-ID: <4.3.0.20001109090709.0246a700@mail.bishopmuseum.org> To Reef Symposium Organizers and Participants, past and future: I wonder how many out there would agree that it would be a distinct loss for Reef Symposium attendees to no longer have the opportunity to make and view oral presentations? To those who attended Bali, I would ask the following rhetorical questions re: proposals of going totally to poster presentations: 1. How many of the approx. 400 posters did you study in detail? 2. For those which you did, how much information did you derive vs. the the typical oral presentation? 3. For those who made a poster presentation, how many questions and how much interest were/was generated.? We now know that it is possible to have about 1000 oral presentations within a week, with time left for two plenarys a day, and have an excellent symposium. I was astounded at how smoothly this went and how much information I was able to gain, though of course there were inevitable simultaneous papers I wanted to see. We all owe David Hopely and the organizers a large thank you for making the conference work so well. The turnout for Bali may have been higher than normal, simply because of the place itself, and only time will tell if attendance continues to go up. If we continue to increase exponentially, we might consider the approach that my geologist friends tell me has been used effectively for their large meetings. Each presenter prepares a poster and has 5-10 minutes in mini-symposium sessions to present high points and generate interest in his subject, and poster sessions are spaced throughout the week. These provide good opportunity for interaction and discussion. Otherwise, an alternative could be to limit the oral presentations to the first 1000 paid registrants, a rather arbitrary approach. Re: proceedings, the CD_ROM alternative offers distinct advantages in terms of cost, portability, and convenience in searchability. Hard copy volumes could still be made available for libraries and individuals who want them, but the cost of these would probably increase with a decreasing economy of scale as people went for the CD option. I have proceedings for five symposia, and the pending proceedings volumes will exceed my bookshelf space, with only 400 papers to be included. I would welcome it being available on CD and being able to computer search topics of interest. I believe web-based distribution of the proceedings is highly problematical, for the many reasons already expressed by others on this list. Finally, for those of you seeking another venue for orally presenting your work between symposia, I draw your attention to the Pacific Science Association, which has congresses and inter-congresses every two years. The next will be in Guam in June 2001 and the following in Bangkok, March 2003. Each will have sessions on coral reefs and biodiversity, and these were well worth attending at the last congresses held in Fiji and Sydney. There are also opportunities to interact with scientists working outside of your immediate field. Starting in January, a US$40 annual membership for PSA will include a subscription to Pacific Science journal, and PSA also periodically produces a Coral Reef Newsletter on the Web. For further information see http://psa.bishopmuseum.org/ and to join contact Lu Eldredge at psa at bishopmuseum.org. S. L. Coles, Ph. D. Research Zoologist Bishop Museum 1525 Bernice St. Honolulu, HI 96817, USA Ph. (808) 847-8256 Fax (808) 847-8252 From christine.dudgeon at jcu.edu.au Thu Nov 9 21:59:28 2000 From: christine.dudgeon at jcu.edu.au (christine.dudgeon at jcu.edu.au) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:59:28 +1000 (AEST) Subject: proceedings Message-ID: <973825168.3a0b64907e572@imp5.jcu.edu.au> If the proceedings for the 9th ICRS come out on CD, would that mean that those of us who not so willingly paid a fortune to attend the conference due to non- student status might get some money back from the extra US$300 already paid for the proceedings? I hope so! Chris Dudgeon Research Assistant Dept. Molecular Biology and Biochemistry James Cook University Townsville, QLD, 4810 From marcos at gektidis.de Fri Nov 10 05:11:47 2000 From: marcos at gektidis.de (marcos) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:11:47 +0100 Subject: future ICRS ideas References: Message-ID: <3A0BC9E3.6F6E625@gektidis.de> Dear all, reading about reorganisation of the ICRS meeting the following idea struck me: Here we are, coral reef scientists, trying to improve organization of a continuously growing structure - the ICRS meeting. Well, maybe we can learn from our subjects of research? How is a coral colony organized? How is information distributed among the polyps? Do we need better information transfer between the "tentacles"? This would imply something like "real time" summaries of the sessions. These would then be distributed the next day as hand-outs or - more modern - an installation of a meeting-server, where information is updated from day to day. Or do we need a gastral chamber, were nutrition is digested and distributed? Something like a large session hall as Erich suggested? Are there other inventions that enable corals to organsize such a perfect large and continously growing "conference"? Or maybe the "coral concept" is not applicable because we are all individuals and not identical structures like coral polyps? I do not have a concept for the next meeting. I guess I just noticed the close correlation between our field of research and the existing problem of organization. So maybe somebody more proficient in organizing large meetings can pick up the idea and use it. Cheers, Marcos Dr. Marcos Gektidis Geologisch Palaeontologisches Institut J.W. Goethe Universitaet Senckenberanlage 32-34 60054 Frankfurt am Main Germany Erich Mueller wrote: > To all: > > Although some of you may be tiring of the discussion regarding the future > direction of the ICRS, I think this discussion is essential to help guide > the format of future meetings. In past "lives", I have attended much > larger meetings in several other scientific areas - biomedical, chemical > and engineering. None of these large meetings adopted an innovative > format - they merely ran many concurrent sessions. But I think that coral > reef scientists are generally different from attendees in those meetings > in that we have very diverse interests under the umbrella of "reef > science". Indeed we must in order to understand these complex systems. So > the old format works for some areas of science because research directions > are often highly focused and only a few sessions are of interest to a > given scientist (this is, of course, a generalization with many > exceptions). > > Many good ideas have been circulated and there are more to come. Here are > my thoughts: > > 1) Because we all have something to learn from each other, I think we need > a meeting format that maximizes synthesis, demonstrating consensus > where present and vigorous discussion of controversial and emerging > issues.With this in mind, here are some format ideas (similar to some > already suggested but I lost the relevant email references in my over > zealous expunging of the inbox!). > > a) Invited plenaries in perhaps 12-20 key sub-fields (i.e. geologic > processes, reef fish ecology, coral physiology, etc., etc.) with > specific instructions to the speakers to discuss areas of consensus > and controversy. 45 minute talk with at least 45 minutes for > discussion. There must be multiple microphones and judicious > oversight by a moderator to maximize audience participation. > Students and others that may not wish to comment will have the > opportunity to hear diverse opinions. Suggest two sessions in AM and > 2-3 in the afternoon. Such a format requires a large hall but > reduces the need for many medium-sized rooms in addition, perhaps > reducing conference cost. > > b) Another way that consensus and controversy can be presented would > be via panel discussions with audience participation. Similar > topical and time format as above. > > c) Poster presentations would be essential unlimited so that anyone may > present their results. A large room would be required and two > sessions would likely be necessary (but posters should be up at > least 2 days). > > 2) In addition to the plenaries and (perhaps) transcripts of the ensuing > discussions, all poster authors would be invited to submit a > manuscript. I do not agree that all should be published but limitation > should be based on peer-review and not financial or arbitrary page > considerations. > > 3) The idea of electronic publishing is excellent for the many reasons > that others have cited. The final abstracts and manuscripts should be > distributed via CD but searchable Web publishing of abstracts would be > particularly valuable prior to the meeting. > > 4) Finally, I would like to encourage participation in regional meetings. > Hopefully, these can be kept manageable in size and give more authors, > particularly students, opportunities for oral presentations. > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Erich Mueller, Ph.D., Director Phone: (305) 745-2729 > Mote Marine Laboratory FAX: (305) 745-2730 > Center for Tropical Research Email: emueller at mote.org > 24244 Overseas Highway (US 1) > Summerland Key, FL 33042 > > Center Website-> http://www.mote.org/~emueller/CTRHome.phtml > > Mote Marine Laboratory Website-> http://www.mote.org > > Remarks are personal opinion and do not reflect institutional > policy unless so indicated. > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From cmcdh at ultra.net.au Thu Nov 9 17:53:25 2000 From: cmcdh at ultra.net.au (David Hopley) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:53:25 +1000 Subject: Message of Condolences from 9ICRS Chair Message-ID: <200011101314.NAA88441@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Dear Jim, Could you see that the message from Anugerah Nontji goes up on coral-list. Many thanks David =================================== It is indeed a matter of great regret that 8 of our participants were aboard the Singapore Airlines which crashed in Taiwan. The Indonesian Organizing Committee for 9ICRS conveys our deepest condolence to the family of Ladan and our best wishes for all others on board. Sincerely Dr. Anugerah Nontji ===================================== Dr. David Hopley Chair, Scientific Program Committee 9ICRS C/- CRC Reef Research Centre James Cook University TOWNSVILLE QLD 4811 AUSTRALIA Full Program for 9ICRS can now be viewed on our Web Page at: www.nova.edu/ocean/9icrs FAX: +61 7 4779 1400 From szmanta at uncwil.edu Fri Nov 10 08:46:18 2000 From: szmanta at uncwil.edu (Alina M. Szmant) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:46:18 -0500 Subject: Coral Reef Symposium Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20001110084617.02225158@pop.uncwil.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Press release from NRC is at the web site: http://www4.nationalacademies.org/news.nsf/isbn/0309072867?OpenDocument Press release on the report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (U.S. Department of Commerce) is listed below (and at web site http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/releases2000/). ___________________________________ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE / NOAA PRESS RELEASE 00-074 NRC REPORT CONFIRMS USE OF MARINE PROTECTED AREAS AS TOOL FOR SUSTAINING OCEAN ECOSYSTEMS Contact: Gordon Helm, NMFS (301) 713-2370 November 9, 2000 James Plante, DOC (202) 482 1008 Secretary of Commerce Norman Y. Mineta says a peer-reviewed report on Marine Protected Areas, released today by the National Research Council, provides additional support for U.S. efforts to identify and protect special ocean areas to help sustain marine fisheries, preserve valuable habitats, provide outdoor leisure opportunities, and maintain healthy marine ecosystems for the benefit of the nation. ?This report, commissioned by the Commerce Department?s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration provides strong scientific support for the value of marine protected areas, and President Clinton?s call for more effective use of MPAs,? said Mineta. ?As this study also suggests, MPAs will only be successful as effective management tools if we enlist the participation of all stakeholders, provide effective planning and design, and ensure regular monitoring, assessment, enforcement and community education.? The study notes that the concept of marine reserves or protected areas has been in use in some form for the past 25 years. Recently, there have been strong advocates for reserves, with a similar level of concern from some resource users about the efficacy of marine reserves as a resource management tool. ?The NRC report underscores our concern that our oceans are beginning to show wear and recommends MPAs as an essential tool for inclusion in restoration and conservation tool kits,? Mineta said. ?We need to do a better job of protecting and nurturing our oceans and coastal environment. Healthy oceans are critical to the nations economy as one of every six jobs in the U.S. is related to our oceans and coastal areas.? The report endorses the use of MPAs as additional fishery management tools to be used in combination with, and not as a replacement for, traditional means of fishery management. As the report states, fishery management councils and other groups have utilized the MPA concept in a variety of ways for years, closing areas to various types of fishing gear for varying time periods. Fishermen, scientists and conservationists have found benefits from different types of protected areas, including areas closed to fishing, providing protection and recovery of species that have declined in numbers due to overfishing or other factors. The report notes that there are multiple goals and benefits of MPAs, such as conserving biodiversity, improving fishery management, protecting ecosystem integrity, preserving cultural heritage, providing educational and recreational opportunities, and establishing sites for scientific research. The report suggests a roadmap on how to implement MPAs that includes: 1. Evaluating conservation needs at local and regional levels; 2. Defining objectives and goals; 3. Describing the key biological and oceanic features; and 4. Identifying and choosing MPA sites that have the highest potential for implementation. A major concern is the limited experience resource managers have in determining the costs and benefits of MPAs over more conventional management approaches. The report noted that ?MPA-based approaches will shift the focus from agency-specific problem management? to a more comprehensive approach to protect the oceans. ?To accomplish this, it gave me great pleasure to recently announce the establishment of the MPA Science Center in Santa Cruz, Calif.,? said Mineta. ?I have also directed NOAA to work with our partners to marshal our joint resources to develop the science, tools, and strategies necessary to support marine protected areas.? NOAA, anticipating the growing interest in MPAs in recent years, provided primary funding for the study titled ?Marine Protected Areas: Tools for Sustaining Ocean Ecosystems.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001110/aac4dd62/attachment.html From fpl10 at calva.net Sun Nov 12 04:56:08 2000 From: fpl10 at calva.net (Fabrice POIRAUD-LAMBERT) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:56:08 +0100 Subject: Acropora Growth Movie - Stage 3 out of 4 Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks a lot for the great feedbacks I get about this movie ! You are now able to see 69 days of growth in a row (1 picture taken every day). During the last 24 days, the 2nd and 3rd level of lateral polypes appeared. Because the full movie starts being quite heavy, I did a small overview movie with 1 image every 5. Enjoy it : http://mars.reefkeepers.net/movie.html Best Regards Fabrice POIRAUD-LAMBERT From mjrtom999 at email.msn.com Sun Nov 12 06:29:08 2000 From: mjrtom999 at email.msn.com (mjrtom999) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 05:29:08 -0600 Subject: a question References: Message-ID: <002201c04c9b$c6832820$68b21b3f@oemcomputer> Hi all, There was some mail being bounced around here recently about the corals being gone in the next 20 years or so..? can someone please get me the original refernce source for that "fact"? I would be very much appreciative thank you much -tomas oberding From rolphap at seychelles.net Thu Nov 9 13:05:31 2000 From: rolphap at seychelles.net (Rolph Payet) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:05:31 +0300 Subject: Proceedings on CD References: <3A071B67.627F08D7@erols.com> <3A082BCE.52.1185730@localhost> Message-ID: <00a701c04ca5$1c29f340$3e47fea9@mluh.gov> Dear collegues 1. I would opt for a CD/Web-based version, as there is a lot of us out there who could not afford to come to Bali. 2. We should also not forget, Adobe Acrobat which can compress documents (75 to 100 dpi) into printable format - available across a variety of platforms, or even the old pkzip and other archiving software which can reduce CD-space tremendously. I have never seen an 1 Mb scientific paper (20-30 pages), unless it is a 50+ pg report or contains very high resolution or native graphics. Coverting those graphics often reduces the file size considerably. 3. Authors should use compressed resampled JPEGs instead of TIFFs/BMP for the pictures, and that should significantly reduce the size of pictures without sacrificing legibility. Handy sharewares/web photo tools are now available to do this. For technical diagrams, the picture/metafile format or a raster-based compressed image format) would be more practicable. 4. HTML ( one web page) can be used to index all the files on the CD-ROM, which will also make searching and filing much easier. The webpage does not need to be complicated with frames. Just one page ( in the oldest form of HTML, which will contain a list ( grouped in categories) and with links to those documents. Another page classified by author and/or country could be developed. This webpage could then be online and also provide links to downloadable files. 5. To reduce download times and ease conjestion, coral friends around the world could host mirror sites for a limited period so that everyone can download. I am sure people/Univeristies would be happy to help, for say six months. Hope this is useful. regards Rolph ----- Original Message ----- From: GJ Gast To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:20 PM Subject: Proceedings on CD > Dear all, > > Ove wrote: > > > > The only problem is that not all people will have access to good web resources. > > A CD with manuscripts could be burnt that might be offered to those scientists > > who do not have the benefit of fast Internet resources. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ove > > I have in Bali coined the idea of printing and distributing the symposium > proceedings on CD. Some advantages I see: > > 1. Printing costs of the paper version are about US$100,000 plus roughly > US$20 on postage for each. A CD costs less than one dollar and postage is > hardly more than a normal letter. With 1500 participants the paper version > costs 130,000 and the CD version roughly 3000, an almost 98% reduction of > the costs. > > 2. CD's are now 900 MB, undoubtably larger in 4 years. So a 1000 authors > will have about 1 MB each for their paper. A paper can be written in any > format the author wishes. MS Word obviously, but why not in HTML as a > web page? Colours can be used, tables, graphs, pictures, models, > simulations and data sets as long as it fits the set amount of disk space. If > the articles are burned on 2 CD's every author will have 2 MB. There is no > limit. > > 3. Lay-out of the papers can be done by the authors, which means a > tremendous reduction of the work load for the symposium proceedings > editor. This allows the publication of the proceedings a few months after the > symposium rather than a few years. > > 4. In the proceedings of the Bali meeting only 400 papers out of over a 1000 > oral contributions will be selected for publications. There is no such reduction > necessary when working with CD's. > > 5. You can easily share your copy with your students or co-workers by > placing it on the internal network or by simply burning copies. > > 6. Even in the developing countries computers with CD ROM players are > common now. Everybody can use a CD. > > 7. If the structure of the CD is written in HTML the whole thing can easily be > made available through a webpage as well. > > My two cents. Cheers, GJ. > =============================================== > Dr. Gert Jan Gast > Oostelijke Handelskade 31 > 1019BL Amsterdam, the Netherlands. > Phone int 31 (0)20 4198607 > Please use as primary address > for large attachments. My permanent email address is > . Please remove > from your address book. It can't be used web-based and > will stop some time in the future. > From dobura at africaonline.co.ke Sat Nov 11 05:15:16 2000 From: dobura at africaonline.co.ke (David Obura) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:15:16 +0000 Subject: CD and paper publishing ... Message-ID: <200011121335.NAA94445@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Dear all, the arguments for CD publication are undoubtedly good and will be more so in 4 years. Nevertheless, there will still always be the scientists and institutes in poorer coral reef countries that will not be able to afford to go to the symposia, purchase the paper publications, or view the CDs or web/digital info. Publishing both seems to make sense, but rather than feeding all the savings of CD publication to those that will buy the CDs, perhaps charge enough ($30 - peanuts to any institute that has good web access and CD facilities) so that the paper publication is subsidized and becomes financially more viable both to produce and obtain. all best, David -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ David Obura CORDIO-East Africa P.O.BOX 10135 Bamburi, Mombasa, Kenya Tel/fax: +254-11-486473; Home: 474582; 0733-625888 Email: dobura at africaonline.co.ke Web: http//:www.cordio.org From thompaula_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 11 15:58:17 2000 From: thompaula_2000 at yahoo.com (Paula Morgan) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:58:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: The Reef Ranger Project in the Virgin Islands Message-ID: <200011121337.NAA94292@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Please email me information about your programs that relate to coral reef preservation. We are a student-activist organization of 21 kids fighting to take care of the last of reefs. Can you assist us? We are interested in starting a citizen's initiative to declare protection of Caribbean reefs. We are currently conducting transects on 3 bays, and monitoring water quality there. We have drilled core samples from the Ocean floor to study sediment deposition near coral reefs. We are also taking salinty profiles near the bays where our local water & power authority have their outfalls for r/o plants on the island of St. Thomas. Please put us on your mailing list for email and snail mail. Currently I am studying at the University of New Mexico. Paula Morgan, Director The Reef Ranger Project, 232 Adams NE, Albuquerque, NM 87108 email: polly at unm.edu From Environmental_Services at ibm.net Fri Nov 10 22:11:07 2000 From: Environmental_Services at ibm.net (Andy Hooten) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:11:07 -0500 Subject: Symposium Ideas Message-ID: <200011121334.NAA94624@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> The issues raised in the recent threads about future Symposium and = publication ideas are obviously on many of our minds who attended the = 9th. I also recall the large attendance during the 8th in Panama (in = 1996), where many concerns were raised about the upsurge in popularity = and attendance-- especially among those interested in applied ecology, = monitoring, reef management, economics, conservation, tourism-- and all = of the other coral reef issues evolving around the basic science, and = that these might have frustrated many of the scientists attending who = wished to focus and debate academic issues. This time around, Terry Done's effort, with David Hopley's help, to be = inclusive of all these coral reef interests with an eye toward = integrating them is certainly to be applauded, as well as the efforts of = the Washington, D.C.-based Seaweb's work in helping to bridge the = communication gap between investigators, managers and the media. But = given the sheer size of the conference and the number of participants, = it clearly points to so many being overwhelmed with information (as = noted in Alina Szmant's recent email, quoting the statistics from = Bernard Salvat's plenary presentation).=20 It seems to me that the very first International Tropical Marine = Ecosystems Management Symposium (with the unwieldy acronym of ITMEMS) = held in Townsville, Australia in November, 1998 , could potentially = serve coral reef managers and related interests--to take the information = gained from the ICRS, and apply it in coral reef management, = conservation and economic, etc. contexts. It is true that the very = first ITMEMS largely focused on reviewing progress to date of the the = International Coral Reef Initiative, but subsequent programs could be = incorporated to truly be the Symposium whose main focus serves coral = reef managers and related interests--applying the ever-increasing = information gained from the scientific meetings.=20 Now an ITMEMS II is being planned for 2002, and perhaps this could serve = as the opportunity to begin an alternating focus--highlight the more = applied management and conservation interests for coral reefs? In short, = there could be a "summer olympics/winter olympics" analogy alternating = between ICRS and ITMEMS that could be synergistic, and possibly take = some of the load from any single, large symposium.=20 I would also like to suggest that in the future, the ISRS consider a = sister publication to "Coral Reefs" that might allow refereed = publications specifically for applied coral reef studies and management = ("Reef Management"?). It seems that certain parts of "Reef Encounter" = have been moving in this direction over recent years, and a = complementary publication whose focus in applied work would be useful, = welcomed, and might help redirect management-related articles, thereby = reducing the increasing rate of overload (and rejection rate) for "Coral = Reefs". Perhaps in combination with the recent ideas submitted on Coral-List of = moving publications into electronic platforms, we could develop both = platform and symposium standards for our community of practice, and make = this increasing amount of information better balanced, processed, = peer-reviewed and edited, and in so doing, make it more digestible for = us all. Andy Hooten AJH, Environmental Services 4005 Glenridge Street Kensington, MD 20895-3708 +1-301-942-8839 (office) +1-301-962-9405 (fax) +1-301-257-5739 (mobile) Environmental_Services at attglobal.net alternate email: ahooten at worldbank.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Delbeek To: Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 2:21 PM Subject: Symposium Ideas > Maybe its time to consider running the symposium every two or three = years > instead of four? If the number of papers has been steadily increasing = over > the years, running the symposium more frequently may cut down on that. > J. Charles Delbeek > Aquarium Biologist > Waikiki Aquarium > 2777 Kalakaua Ave. > Honolulu, HI, USA 96815 > 808-923-9741 > 808-923-1771 FAX ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C04B63.202958C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The issues raised in the recent threads about future Symposium and=20 publication ideas are obviously on many of our minds who attended the = 9th. I=20 also recall the large attendance during the 8th in Panama (in 1996), = where many=20 concerns were raised about the upsurge in popularity and attendance-- = especially=20 among those interested in applied ecology, monitoring, reef management,=20 economics, conservation, tourism-- and all of the other coral reef = issues=20 evolving around the basic science, and that these might have frustrated = many of=20 the scientists attending who wished to focus and debate academic=20 issues.

This time around, Terry Done's effort, with David Hopley's help, to = be=20 inclusive of all these coral reef interests with an eye toward = integrating them=20 is certainly to be applauded, as well as the efforts of the Washington,=20 D.C.-based Seaweb's work in helping to bridge the communication gap = between=20 investigators, managers and the media.  But given the sheer size of = the=20 conference and the number of participants, it clearly points to so many = being=20 overwhelmed with information (as noted in Alina Szmant's recent email, = quoting=20 the statistics from Bernard Salvat's plenary presentation).

It seems to me that the very first International Tropical Marine = Ecosystems=20 Management Symposium (with the unwieldy acronym of ITMEMS) held in=20 Townsville, Australia in November, 1998 , could potentially serve coral = reef=20 managers and related interests--to take the information gained from the = ICRS,=20 and apply it in coral reef management, conservation and economic, etc.=20 contexts.  It is true that the very first ITMEMS largely focused=20 on reviewing progress to date of the the International Coral Reef=20 Initiative, but subsequent programs could be incorporated to truly be = the=20 Symposium whose main focus serves coral reef managers = and related=20 interests--applying the ever-increasing information gained from the = scientific=20 meetings.

Now an ITMEMS II is being planned for 2002, and perhaps this could = serve=20 as the opportunity to begin an alternating focus--highlight the = more=20 applied management and conservation interests for coral reefs? In short, = there=20 could be a "summer olympics/winter olympics" analogy alternating between = ICRS=20 and ITMEMS that could be synergistic, and possibly take some of the load = from=20 any single, large symposium.

I would also like to suggest that in the future, the ISRS consider a = sister=20 publication to "Coral Reefs" that might allow refereed publications = specifically=20 for applied coral reef studies and management ("Reef Management"?). It = seems=20 that certain parts of "Reef Encounter" have been moving in this = direction over=20 recent years, and a complementary publication whose focus in applied = work would=20 be useful, welcomed, and might help redirect management-related = articles,=20 thereby reducing the increasing rate of overload (and rejection = rate) for=20 "Coral Reefs".

Perhaps in combination with the recent ideas submitted on Coral-List = of=20 moving publications into electronic platforms, we could develop = both=20 platform and symposium standards for our community of practice, and make = this=20 increasing amount of information better balanced, processed, = peer-reviewed and=20 edited, and in so doing, make it more digestible for us all.

Andy Hooten
AJH, Environmental Services
4005 = Glenridge=20 Street
Kensington, MD 20895-3708
+1-301-942-8839=20 (office)
+1-301-962-9405 (fax)
+1-301-257-5739 (mobile)
Environmental_Servic= es at attglobal.net
alternate=20 email:
ahooten at worldbank.org

----- Original Message -----

From: Charles Delbeek <delbeek at waquarium.org>

To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>

Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 2:21 PM

Subject: Symposium Ideas

 

> Maybe its time to consider running the symposium every two or = three=20 years

> instead of four? If the number of papers has been steadily = increasing=20 over

> the years, running the symposium more frequently may cut down on = that.

> J. Charles Delbeek

> Aquarium Biologist

> Waikiki Aquarium

> 2777 Kalakaua Ave.

> Honolulu, HI, USA 96815

> 808-923-9741

> 808-923-1771 FAX

 

 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C04B63.202958C0-- From PEBrinkmann at rasgas.com.qa Sun Nov 12 04:26:01 2000 From: PEBrinkmann at rasgas.com.qa (Brinkmann, Philip E) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:26:01 +0300 Subject: Artificial Reef Program Message-ID: <200011121341.NAA94704@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Greetings from the Arabian Gulf! I am an Environmental Advisor for RasGas. A Liquefied Natural Gas Company in Qatar. Qatar is a peninsula in the Arabian Gulf on the eastern coast of Arabia. Our company will support the construction of artificial reefs in northern Qatar. We would like to benefit from your experiences, both positive and negative, in creating reefs. I have visited the EPA web site and found basic background description of your program. Information regarding any of your artificial reef design and monitoring details including materials, construction, deployment and monitoring would be helpful including case studies or project notes. We are initially considering concrete rubble and / or tires as the substrate. Issues we would like to better understand include: - cement composition requirements (e.g. pH & microsilica use) - tire degradation, stability, structure Your feedback would be appreciated. Regards, Philip Brinkmann RasGas EHS Advisor Ras Laffan Liquefied Natural Gas Company Limited P.O. Box 24200 Doha, State of Qatar Office: 011+974-4738-025 Mobile: 011+974-5529-685 Fax: 011+974-4738-026 From osha at oshadavidson.com Sun Nov 12 07:59:54 2000 From: osha at oshadavidson.com (Osha Gray Davidson) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 06:59:54 -0600 Subject: a question In-Reply-To: <002201c04c9b$c6832820$68b21b3f@oemcomputer> References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001112065218.009efad0@mail.oshadavidson.com> Hi, Not sure, but maybe you're thinking of the posting below: The "Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000" brocure (PDF document, by Clive Wilkison, Global Coordinator) is now posted on the Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network (GCRMN) page at: http://www.coral.noaa.gov/gcrmn/ At that page click on: Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000. Its message about reef conditions, while dire, is not as simplistic as "coral being gone in the next 20 years or so." It is thoughtful and throught-provoking and, yes, alarming. Osha At 05:29 AM 11/12/2000, you wrote: >Hi all, > There was some mail being bounced around here recently about the corals >being gone in the next 20 years or so..? can someone please get me the >original refernce source for that "fact"? >I would be very much appreciative >thank you much >-tomas oberding Osha Gray Davidson Home page: www.OshaDavidson.com 14 S. Governor St. Phone: 319-338-4778 Iowa City, IA 52240 USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001112/5c3029c0/attachment.html From oveh at uq.edu.au Sun Nov 12 17:50:18 2000 From: oveh at uq.edu.au (Ove Hoegh-Guldberg) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:50:18 +1000 Subject: a question and a debate In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001112065218.009efad0@mail.oshadavidson.com> Message-ID: Dear Osha, Congratulations to you and the others on publishing the GCRMN study and brochure. Very useful indeed and a major contribution to reef science and management. Your email caused me some concern however. In particular, your description of the "simplistic" nature of the message "coral being gone in the next 20 years or so" (mainly coined by journalists) seems to be simplistic in itself. To say this is to miss the essence and careful study that resulted in conclusions that perhaps underlie this paraphrasing of the science. Perhaps a reading of the background to the broader statements underlying this one would be useful at this point. In fact, I invite you to tell me (and the others that have flagged this possibility) where the science is flawed. That aside, I see your email as an opportunity to begin a wider debate. As I am sure you realise, the fact that oceans are warming rapidly (up to 5 degree per century according to a recent NOAA press release) and we have seen increasingly (not decreasingly) severe outcomes (as is recorded in the excellent GCRMN account - 19% lost in the thermal event of 1998) from these increasingly severe thermal events, there is a major issue brewing. One degree per century would be enough. By 2020 (which I guess is your "simplistic" reading of the Mar FW Res 1999 study), we will be regularly over the sea temperatures that we currently know to cause (and can use to predict today - see HotSpot program) major coral mortality events. What is perhaps more worrying, we will regularly see anomalies that will be double and even triple those we have seen in the past two decades by 2020. We have nothing to tell us that this wont happen. Currently, we have little evidence of the ability for coral reefs to evolve with a sea temperature that is changing at the rate of 1-5 degrees per century. Again, we the evidence that corals will rapidly adapt to an ever increasing sea temperature is not jumping out at us. In fact, we mostly have evidence to the contrary (mortality events, no decreasing trend in severity or frequency etc.). So - I ask you - where is the "simplicity" in the Mar FW Research (1999) hypothesis argument? A. Is it in the sea temperature measurements? Are the rapidly warming seas a figment of our imagination? Has Al Strong at NOAA been misreading his data? B. It is in the climate models? Are the Max Planck, IPCC, CSIRO, Hadley Centre, UN atmospheric and geophysical scientists got it all wrong? C. Is it in the coral biology and the assessment of the impacts fundamentally flawed? Have we completely misinterpreted the meaning of the thermal events and outcomes of the past 20 years? Can we say that bleaching is trivial and will not effect coral communities in the long term? Are the Okinawan reefs going to repopulate within the next 2 Years? Is 19% loss every few years trivial - how many even 1998 thermal events could reefs sustain before corals become minor components? Can we say that adaptation over a few years is possible (with an ever increasing stress profile)? Have the faunal changes that occurred during the interglacial transition been misinterpreted? Remember, this is not an argument about corals going extinct. They probably wont. It is an argument about reef health and function. That then flows over into the meaning of this for human users. If corals become minor components to reef communities, can we say that the reefs they built will continue to function as they have when they were coral dominated? I look forward to your comments and to a wider debate among members of the coral reef community. As I have indicated, the 1999 study was in some ways a "target" ... one which we needed to erect rigorously and one, which, if we can destroy scientifically, we will all rejoice (me included). I stress the word "scientifically" - it is not enough to say you don't believe (as I have heard from some). We must debate this in hard scientific terms with the idea of resolving the core issues. I look forward to joining the debate on my return from COP6 on Nov 24th Best wishes, Ove Professor Ove Hoegh-Guldberg Director, Centre for Marine Studies University of Queensland St Lucia, 4072, QLD Phone: +61 07 3365 4333 Fax: +61 07 3365 4755 Email: oveh at uq.edu.au http://www.marine.uq.edu.au/ohg/index.htm [Ove Hoegh-Guldberg] -----Original Message----- From: owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov]On Behalf Of Osha Gray Davidson Sent: Sunday, 12 November 2000 11:00 PM To: mjrtom999 Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov Subject: Re: a question Hi, Not sure, but maybe you're thinking of the posting below: The "Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000" brocure (PDF document, by Clive Wilkison, Global Coordinator) is now posted on the Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network (GCRMN) page at: http://www.coral.noaa.gov/gcrmn/ At that page click on: Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000. Its message about reef conditions, while dire, is not as simplistic as "coral being gone in the next 20 years or so." It is thoughtful and throught-provoking and, yes, alarming. Osha At 05:29 AM 11/12/2000, you wrote: Hi all, There was some mail being bounced around here recently about the corals being gone in the next 20 years or so..? can someone please get me the original refernce source for that "fact"? I would be very much appreciative thank you much -tomas oberding Osha Gray Davidson Home page: www.OshaDavidson.com 14 S. Governor St. Phone: 319-338-4778 Iowa City, IA 52240 USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001113/e360d056/attachment.html From osha at oshadavidson.com Sun Nov 12 18:42:28 2000 From: osha at oshadavidson.com (Osha Gray Davidson) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:42:28 -0600 Subject: a question and a debate In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20001112065218.009efad0@mail.oshadavidson.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001112165808.009ad860@mail.oshadavidson.com> Dear Ove, Please, slow down a second! I appreciate you message, but let me remove some confusion. I had nothing whatsoever to do with writing or publishing the GCRMN study. (I wish I had; I think represents important work). Your questions and opening for debate seem like a fine idea, but I'm afraid they go far beyond my brief comment. I assumed the questioner was summarizing the GCRMN study as saying that " >coral [will be] gone in the next 20 years or so." That struck me as >simplistic. Now, perhaps I'm wrong, and that is the essence of the study. >If so, I will stand corrected. > Regardless, the questions you raised are important ones and I'm sure those qualified will rise to the challenge and debate it. Once again, let me make it absolutely clear: I don't want to take credit for someone else's work. The >"Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000" was prepared by Clive >Wilkinson, coordinator of the Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network. > By the way, I wrote a book for lay-readers about coral reefs, published in 1998. I devoted several chapters to threats facing coral reefs (including one on warming) and was criticized by some reviewers for peddling doom and gloom. Now I'm perceived as being overly optimistic? Have to admit, that's a new one for me. Cheers, Osha At 04:50 PM 11/12/2000, Ove Hoegh-Guldberg wrote: >Dear Osha, > >Congratulations to you and the others on publishing the GCRMN study and >brochure. Very useful indeed and a major contribution to reef science and >management. > >Your email caused me some concern however. In particular, your >description of the "simplistic" nature of the message "coral being gone in >the next 20 years or so" (mainly coined by journalists) seems to be >simplistic in itself. To say this is to miss the essence and careful >study that resulted in conclusions that perhaps underlie this paraphrasing >of the science. Perhaps a reading of the background to the broader >statements underlying this one would be useful at this point. In fact, I >invite you to tell me (and the others that have flagged this possibility) >where the science is flawed. > >That aside, I see your email as an opportunity to begin a wider debate. > >As I am sure you realise, the fact that oceans are warming rapidly (up to >5 degree per century according to a recent NOAA press release) and we have >seen increasingly (not decreasingly) severe outcomes (as is recorded in >the excellent GCRMN account - 19% lost in the thermal event of 1998) from >these increasingly severe thermal events, there is a major issue >brewing. One degree per century would be enough. By 2020 (which I guess >is your "simplistic" reading of the Mar FW Res 1999 study), we will be >regularly over the sea temperatures that we currently know to cause (and >can use to predict today - see HotSpot program) major coral mortality >events. What is perhaps more worrying, we will regularly see anomalies >that will be double and even triple those we have seen in the past two >decades by 2020. We have nothing to tell us that this wont >happen. Currently, we have little evidence of the ability for coral reefs >to evolve with a sea temperature that is changing at the rate of 1-5 >degrees per century. Again, we the evidence that corals will rapidly >adapt to an ever increasing sea temperature is not jumping out at us. In >fact, we mostly have evidence to the contrary (mortality events, no >decreasing trend in severity or frequency etc.). > >So - I ask you - where is the "simplicity" in the Mar FW Research (1999) >hypothesis argument? > >A. Is it in the sea temperature measurements? Are the rapidly warming >seas a figment of our imagination? Has Al Strong at NOAA been misreading >his data? > >B. It is in the climate models? Are the Max Planck, IPCC, CSIRO, Hadley >Centre, UN atmospheric and geophysical scientists got it all wrong? > >C. Is it in the coral biology and the assessment of the impacts >fundamentally flawed? Have we completely misinterpreted the meaning of the >thermal events and outcomes of the past 20 years? Can we say that >bleaching is trivial and will not effect coral communities in the long >term? Are the Okinawan reefs going to repopulate within the next 2 >Years? Is 19% loss every few years trivial - how many even 1998 thermal >events could reefs sustain before corals become minor components? Can we >say that adaptation over a few years is possible (with an ever increasing >stress profile)? Have the faunal changes that occurred during the >interglacial transition been misinterpreted? > >Remember, this is not an argument about corals going extinct. They >probably wont. It is an argument about reef health and function. That >then flows over into the meaning of this for human users. If corals >become minor components to reef communities, can we say that the reefs >they built will continue to function as they have when they were coral >dominated? > >I look forward to your comments and to a wider debate among members of the >coral reef community. As I have indicated, the 1999 study was in some >ways a "target" ... one which we needed to erect rigorously and one, >which, if we can destroy scientifically, we will all rejoice (me >included). I stress the word "scientifically" - it is not enough to say >you don't believe (as I have heard from some). We must debate this in >hard scientific terms with the idea of resolving the core issues. > >I look forward to joining the debate on my return from COP6 on Nov 24th > >Best wishes, > >Ove Osha Gray Davidson Home page: www.OshaDavidson.com 14 S. Governor St. Phone: 319-338-4778 Iowa City, IA 52240 USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001113/b17d233a/attachment.html From timecott at hotmail.com Mon Nov 13 04:50:13 2000 From: timecott at hotmail.com (tim ecott) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:50:13 GMT Subject: simplistic journalism and coral mortality Message-ID: To pick up on the interchange between Ove Hoegh-Guldberg and Osha Gray Davidson - As a journalist I would like to add that there seems to be a fundamental problem here. 'Bad news about the environment' is beginning to rival the status of 'bad news about Africa' in terms of its ability to make editors and programme makers immediately switch off and say 'we've heard it all a thousand times, lets hear something different.' Coral scientists (and I've interviewed a lot of them) are for once among scientists in general - in a uniquely privileged position. They seem to agree that the current dire state of the world's coral reefs is due to several key and identifiably anthropogenic factors. But paramount among the causes of mortality and bleaching in the Indian Ocean is global warming. And yet, and yet, it doesn't take long for someone to crawl out of the woodwork and say 'but aren't these things natural, doesn't the earth always go through cyclical climate shifts etc etc' Given that it is reasonably easy, in layman's terms, to convince the 'general public' that the sea is an essential component of our fragile biosphere, then there seems only one useful end to the debate about coral mortality - that the planet is in deep shit. As soon as people start arguing the finer points about whether corals will last 20 years or 50 years the debate is lost. Politicians and the 'general public' will never worry or take action about a possible catastrophe in two generations time. Take the current situation in Britain - we have been blessed with the worst flooding this century - fortunately in the run up to the conference on climate change in the Hague. Now, for once, our government has something to make them nervous on the issue. The CORDIO report 2000, and the evidence from NOAA and the work of Ove Hoegh-Guldberg and all of the other research presented in Bali seems to me to be an absolutely crucial body of evidence that something very significant has to be done about greenhouse gases. Now, not in 30 years time. If marine scientists think their work is worth anything then they have to be very careful not to start arguing the finer points about how long the reefs will survive. This is a classic case of arguing about where to put the deckchairs on the Titanic! If you want to take the debate further than the realm of the (very fine) coral list and get journalists who can get the story into the public eye then please stop bickering. We journalists are certainly 'simplistic'. It is a simple issue. The reefs are dying and most of the world doesn't know about it - let alone care. >From: "Ove Hoegh-Guldberg" >Reply-To: >To: "Osha Gray Davidson" , "mjrtom999" > >CC: >Subject: RE: a question and a debate >Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:50:18 +1000 > >Dear Osha, > >Congratulations to you and the others on publishing the GCRMN study and >brochure. Very useful indeed and a major contribution to reef science and >management. > >Your email caused me some concern however. In particular, your description >of the "simplistic" nature of the message "coral being gone in the next 20 >years or so" (mainly coined by journalists) seems to be simplistic in >itself. To say this is to miss the essence and careful study that resulted >in conclusions that perhaps underlie this paraphrasing of the science. >Perhaps a reading of the background to the broader statements underlying >this one would be useful at this point. In fact, I invite you to tell me >(and the others that have flagged this possibility) where the science is >flawed. > >That aside, I see your email as an opportunity to begin a wider debate. > >As I am sure you realise, the fact that oceans are warming rapidly (up to 5 >degree per century according to a recent NOAA press release) and we have >seen increasingly (not decreasingly) severe outcomes (as is recorded in the >excellent GCRMN account - 19% lost in the thermal event of 1998) from these >increasingly severe thermal events, there is a major issue brewing. One >degree per century would be enough. By 2020 (which I guess is your >"simplistic" reading of the Mar FW Res 1999 study), we will be regularly >over the sea temperatures that we currently know to cause (and can use to >predict today - see HotSpot program) major coral mortality events. What is >perhaps more worrying, we will regularly see anomalies that will be double >and even triple those we have seen in the past two decades by 2020. We >have >nothing to tell us that this wont happen. Currently, we have little >evidence of the ability for coral reefs to evolve with a sea temperature >that is changing at the rate of 1-5 degrees per century. Again, we the >evidence that corals will rapidly adapt to an ever increasing sea >temperature is not jumping out at us. In fact, we mostly have evidence to >the contrary (mortality events, no decreasing trend in severity or >frequency >etc.). > >So - I ask you - where is the "simplicity" in the Mar FW Research (1999) >hypothesis argument? > >A. Is it in the sea temperature measurements? Are the rapidly warming >seas >a figment of our imagination? Has Al Strong at NOAA been misreading his >data? > >B. It is in the climate models? Are the Max Planck, IPCC, CSIRO, Hadley >Centre, UN atmospheric and geophysical scientists got it all wrong? > >C. Is it in the coral biology and the assessment of the impacts >fundamentally flawed? Have we completely misinterpreted the meaning of the >thermal events and outcomes of the past 20 years? Can we say that >bleaching >is trivial and will not effect coral communities in the long term? Are the >Okinawan reefs going to repopulate within the next 2 Years? Is 19% loss >every few years trivial - how many even 1998 thermal events could reefs >sustain before corals become minor components? Can we say that adaptation >over a few years is possible (with an ever increasing stress profile)? >Have >the faunal changes that occurred during the interglacial transition been >misinterpreted? > >Remember, this is not an argument about corals going extinct. They >probably >wont. It is an argument about reef health and function. That then flows >over into the meaning of this for human users. If corals become minor >components to reef communities, can we say that the reefs they built will >continue to function as they have when they were coral dominated? > >I look forward to your comments and to a wider debate among members of the >coral reef community. As I have indicated, the 1999 study was in some ways >a "target" ... one which we needed to erect rigorously and one, which, if >we >can destroy scientifically, we will all rejoice (me included). I stress >the >word "scientifically" - it is not enough to say you don't believe (as I >have >heard from some). We must debate this in hard scientific terms with the >idea of resolving the core issues. > >I look forward to joining the debate on my return from COP6 on Nov 24th > >Best wishes, > >Ove > >Professor Ove Hoegh-Guldberg >Director, Centre for Marine Studies >University of Queensland >St Lucia, 4072, QLD > >Phone: +61 07 3365 4333 >Fax: +61 07 3365 4755 >Email: oveh at uq.edu.au >http://www.marine.uq.edu.au/ohg/index.htm > > > [Ove Hoegh-Guldberg] > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov >[mailto:owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov]On Behalf Of Osha Gray >Davidson > Sent: Sunday, 12 November 2000 11:00 PM > To: mjrtom999 > Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov > Subject: Re: a question > > > Hi, > > Not sure, but maybe you're thinking of the posting below: > > The "Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000" brocure (PDF document, by > Clive Wilkison, Global Coordinator) is now posted on the Global Coral > Reef Monitoring Network (GCRMN) page at: >http://www.coral.noaa.gov/gcrmn/ > > At that page click on: Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000. Its >message about reef conditions, while dire, is not as simplistic as "coral >being gone in the next 20 years or so." It is thoughtful and >throught-provoking and, yes, alarming. > > Osha > > At 05:29 AM 11/12/2000, you wrote: > > Hi all, > There was some mail being bounced around here recently about the >corals > being gone in the next 20 years or so..? can someone please get me the > original refernce source for that "fact"? > I would be very much appreciative > thank you much > -tomas oberding > > > > > > Osha Gray Davidson Home page: www.OshaDavidson.com > 14 S. Governor St. Phone: 319-338-4778 > Iowa City, IA 52240 > USA _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jware at erols.com Mon Nov 13 10:44:36 2000 From: jware at erols.com (John Ware) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:44:36 -0500 Subject: Bleaching corals and global warming. Message-ID: <3A100C64.765560DC@erols.com> Dear List, For an alternative view of the possible future of bleaching events, you may wish to consider the paper that I presented at the 8th ICRS in Panama in 1996 and which is in the proceedings. My prediction method differed from Ove's is several ways: 1- A non mechanistic global temperature model based on spectral analysis of long term temperature trends. Such a model can have significant cooling periods (e.g., could have a 'Little Ice Age'), as well as significant warming periods due to natural climatic variations. The mechanistic models used by Ove do not have such events. 2- Because of the possible natural variations and the relative simplicity of the model, my probability calculations were based on an average of 1000 runs, not a single run. 3- I considered both an IPCC 550 warming scenario and a 1/2 IPCC 550 to account for possible latitudinal temperature gradients as well as the potential (and controversial) cooling effects of aerosols and also a possible 'thermostat' effect. 4- I considered possible acclimation of the coral/algal symbiosis. While there does not appear to be any direct evidence for acclimation, my simulations showed that even acclimation lags of 25-50 years could substantially mitigate warming effects. Acclimation lags of this duration would probably not be detectable in the relatively short time that bleaching events have been observed to be increasing in frequency. 5- Not presented in the paper was the observation that bleaching events tended to be grouped in time and not evenly distributed. This is, of course, due to low frequency shifts in global climate (*not* at Milankovitch time scales). Alternatively, long periods without bleaching events cannot be taken as evidence of a lack of warming for the same reason. Having said this, the basic difference between the computations that I made and the (much more famous) results presented by Ove, is that disaster for reefs occurs a few decades later in time. However, the reason that I bring this alternative view to your attention is that, based on my modeling, we could have significant periods with little or no bleaching even though global warming continues. Should the next 10 years or so show little bleaching, we should not consider this evidence that reefs are acclimating or that warming is not occurring or that there is some sort of failure in Ove's predictions. While we should not over-react to a period of increased bleaching, we should likewise not become complacent if a period without bleaching occurs. John ************************************************************* * * * John R. Ware, PhD * * President * * SeaServices, Inc. * * 19572 Club House Road * * Montgomery Village, MD, 20886 * * 301 987-8507 * * jware at erols.com * * seaservices.org * * fax: 301 987-8531 * * _ * * | * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * _|_ * * | _ | * * _______________________________| |________ * * |\/__ Undersea Technology for the 21st Century \ * * |/\____________________________________________/ * ************************************************************** From gregorh at ucla.edu Mon Nov 13 13:41:40 2000 From: gregorh at ucla.edu (Gregor Hodgson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:41:40 -0800 Subject: Employment -- Reef Check Program Manager Message-ID: <3A1035E4.7BE7824D@ucla.edu> Reef Check Foundation, a global volunteer program dedicated to coral reef education, monitoring and management, is seeking a marine biologist with an advanced degree to serve as Program Manager based at our office at UCLA Institute of the Environment. International travel and scuba diving in exotic tropical locations is required. The Program Manager will be responsible for overall coordination of global RC activities. Specific tasks include: 1) Respond to requests for assistance from RC coordinators and answer inquiries from the public and scientists about RC participation. 2) Plan and carry out RC training around the world as needed. 3) Compile and maintain the RC database, and assist with data analysis and interpretation. 4) Help to draft proposals, identify funding sources and track grant expenditures and channel funds to our collaborators. 5) Develop web material and assist our web master to update the RC website. 6) Identify and work with volunteers who can help RC with various tasks. 7) Assist with the design and implementation of the MAC monitoring program. 8) Contribute to technical reports, media releases and scientific papers based on RC results. Qualifications: Applicants should have a mixture of scientific skills and practical experience such as working for an environmental NGO. Will have at least a Master's degree in marine science, preferably with a focus on tropical ecology and field experience carrying out scuba survey work. Should be familiar with taxonomy of major groups of coral reef organisms. Computer skills to include word processing, spreadsheet and database. Good report writing and verbal presentation skills. Committed to coral reef conservation. RC is part of the Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network and is supported by both private foundations and international NGOs such as the United Nations Environment Programme. At present, our work involves organizing and overseeing training and monitoring in about 50 countries. The ultimate goal is to give people the tools to monitor and manage their own reefs. Salary will be commensurate with experience up to about US$35K all inclusive. This position is open to citizens of all nations however, due to the urgent need to fill this position, and the delays typically encountered with visa processing, those applicants with US working visas may have an advantage. Post will be open until filled with an intial deadline for receipt of CVs of 1 December. Applicants should send their CV to or to: Dr. Gregor Hodgson Director, Reef Check Foundation Institute of the Environment 1652 Hershey Hall 149607 University of California at Los Angeles Los Angeles, CA 90095-1496 USA Office Tel: 310-794-4985 Fax: 310-825-0758 or 310-825-9663 Web: www.ReefCheck.org From Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov Mon Nov 13 08:23:38 2000 From: Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov (Alan E Strong) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:23:38 -0500 Subject: Chicken Little Message-ID: <200011131854.SAA97412@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> For those who continue to "believe" that ENSO and global climate change (i.e. warming) are related positively with the warm phase (El Nino), the statitiscs just do not support that theory. Read the latest evidence being reported in a recent issue of Nature: Vol 407: 956 & 989! AE Strong Ernie Matson wrote: > > ...and while we're at it, how 'bout a reference > establishing cause ("global warming") and effect: > ("El Nino")...(sic after both) and subsequent coral > bleaching? > > Ernie Matson > > mjrtom999 wrote: > > > Hi all, > > There was some mail being bounced around here > > recently about the corals > > being gone in the next 20 years or so..? can someone > > please get me the > > original refernce source for that "fact"? > > I would be very much appreciative > > thank you much > > -tomas oberding -- **** <>< ******* <>< ******* <>< ******* <>< ******* Alan E. Strong Phys Scientist/Oceanographer NOAA/NESDIS/ORA/ORAD -- E/RA3 NOAA Science Center -- RM 711W 5200 Auth Road Camp Springs, MD 20746-4304 Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov 301-763-8102 x170 FAX: 301-763-8108 http://orbit-net.nesdis.noaa.gov/orad From rgrigg at iniki.soest.hawaii.edu Mon Nov 13 14:25:11 2000 From: rgrigg at iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Rick Grigg) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:25:11 -1000 Subject: Bleaching corals and global warming. In-Reply-To: <3A100C64.765560DC@erols.com> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20001113092511.0072095c@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu> John, Not to downplay the potential significance of bleaching events on coral reefs, it should also be understood that reefs are capable of rapid recovery after bleaching events have occurred. Sometimes this can take place in as short a period as 3-5 years. In other places, recovery may require 10 years or several decades depending on intervening disturbance, growth rates, etc. Now, if severe bleaching events are episodic in nature, any model developed to predict long-term outcomes must include intermittant recoveries. To site one example, the reefs in Palau are described as undergoing significant recovery from the '98 bleaching event. I mention this not to lessen our concern or attention to the problem, but to suggest that recovery stages be built into the models. Rick Grigg At 10:44 AM 11/13/00 -0500, John Ware wrote: >Dear List, > >For an alternative view of the possible future of bleaching events, you >may wish to consider the paper that I presented at the 8th ICRS in >Panama in 1996 and which is in the proceedings. My prediction method >differed from Ove's is several ways: > >1- A non mechanistic global temperature model based on spectral analysis >of long term temperature trends. Such a model can have significant >cooling periods (e.g., could have a 'Little Ice Age'), as well as >significant warming periods due to natural climatic variations. The >mechanistic models used by Ove do not have such events. > >2- Because of the possible natural variations and the relative >simplicity of the model, my probability calculations were based on an >average of 1000 runs, not a single run. > >3- I considered both an IPCC 550 warming scenario and a 1/2 IPCC 550 to >account for possible latitudinal temperature gradients as well as the >potential (and controversial) cooling effects of aerosols and also a >possible 'thermostat' effect. > >4- I considered possible acclimation of the coral/algal symbiosis. >While there does not appear to be any direct evidence for acclimation, >my simulations showed that even acclimation lags of 25-50 years could >substantially mitigate warming effects. Acclimation lags of this >duration would probably not be detectable in the relatively short time >that bleaching events have been observed to be increasing in frequency. > >5- Not presented in the paper was the observation that bleaching events >tended to be grouped in time and not evenly distributed. This is, of >course, due to low frequency shifts in global climate (*not* at >Milankovitch time scales). Alternatively, long periods without >bleaching events cannot be taken as evidence of a lack of warming for >the same reason. > >Having said this, the basic difference between the computations that I >made and the (much more famous) results presented by Ove, is that >disaster for reefs occurs a few decades later in time. However, the >reason that I bring this alternative view to your attention is that, >based on my modeling, we could have significant periods with little or >no bleaching even though global warming continues. Should the next 10 >years or so show little bleaching, we should not consider this evidence >that reefs are acclimating or that warming is not occurring or that >there is some sort of failure in Ove's predictions. > >While we should not over-react to a period of increased bleaching, we >should likewise not become complacent if a period without bleaching >occurs. > >John > > ************************************************************* > * * > * John R. Ware, PhD * > * President * > * SeaServices, Inc. * > * 19572 Club House Road * > * Montgomery Village, MD, 20886 * > * 301 987-8507 * > * jware at erols.com * > * seaservices.org * > * fax: 301 987-8531 * > * _ * > * | * > * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * > * _|_ * > * | _ | * > * _______________________________| |________ * > * |\/__ Undersea Technology for the 21st Century \ * > * |/\____________________________________________/ * > ************************************************************** > From mcall at superaje.com Mon Nov 13 16:21:42 2000 From: mcall at superaje.com (Don McAllister) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:21:42 -0500 Subject: Bleaching corals and global warming. References: <3.0.1.32.20001113092511.0072095c@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: <3A105B66.72BCDE6@superaje.com> Rick Grigg wrote: > John, > > Not to downplay the potential significance of bleaching events on coral > reefs, it should also be understood that reefs are capable of rapid > recovery after bleaching events have occurred. I mention > this not to lessen our concern or attention to the problem, but to suggest > that recovery stages be built into the models. One would also need to get data on recovery rates of reefs exposed to eutrophication, siltation, destructive fishing methods, etc. These were all concerns before we finally twigged, reluctantly on the part of some, to the influence of elevated sea surface temperatures. Some of those other stresses are chronic, others episodic. Some of those now impacted only by high SSTs will doubtless be exposed to the other stresses as the population and socio-economic root causes drive them. For some of those see the WRI paper. This leads on to a degree of pesimism that can only be reasonably countered by invoking the Precautionary Principle and a higher priority to real action on the Kyoto Protocol, not just trading emissions but actual reduction by the chief emitters of greenhouse gases. By all means let's model, but simultaneously put serious resources into cutting emissions - that includes Canada, where I live, which has been losing ground in meeting its feeble committments. If you need any inspiration look once a week or once a month at the global SST anomaly maps. don Don McAllister Ocean Voice International don Don McAllister From kosborne at aims.gov.au Mon Nov 13 20:07:07 2000 From: kosborne at aims.gov.au (Kate Osborne) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:07:07 +1000 Subject: cnav (Coral Navigator) Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001114105022.00b129c0@email.aims.gov.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001114/290984b3/attachment.html From s96008249 at usp.ac.fj Tue Nov 14 16:41:53 2000 From: s96008249 at usp.ac.fj (s96008249 at usp.ac.fj) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:41:53 -0800 Subject: point-count Message-ID: <01JWJ64XDQEW002CF0@usp.ac.fj> Hi All Coral-listers, I am having problems in trying to distinguish holes made by urchins on my experimental substrate. I am trying to do point-count using a software and don't know what actually to look for. There are grooves as well as holes on the substrate. This substrate was brought in from the field after 3 months of urchin exposure. I have to do the point count inorder to assess the %grazed and/or bored. Hence, take these values to work out the bioerosion rates of the slabs. I wonder if dyeing the slabs would be of any help. Your immediate assistance will be appreciated. Subhashni Appana. From eamatson at uog9.uog.edu Tue Nov 14 00:56:41 2000 From: eamatson at uog9.uog.edu (Ernie Matson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:56:41 +1000 Subject: Chicken Little References: <200011131854.SAA97412@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: <3A10D419.16E2838B@uog9.uog.edu> Alan, Thanks for the reference. I brought this issue up because, much to my dismay, I heard several talks at the 9th ICRS in which those associations and domino relationships (global warming> El Nino > coral bleaching) were presented as being accepted dogma. It is unfortunate that "we" are being quoted by the media as generally believing in these hypotheses as though they were fact. Carry on Ernie Alan E Strong wrote: > For those who continue to "believe" that ENSO and global > climate change (i.e. warming) are related positively with > the warm phase (El Nino), the statitiscs just do not support > that theory. Read the latest evidence being reported in a > recent issue of Nature: Vol 407: 956 & 989! > > AE Strong > > Ernie Matson wrote: > > > > ...and while we're at it, how 'bout a reference > > establishing cause ("global warming") and effect: > > ("El Nino")...(sic after both) and subsequent coral > > bleaching? > > > > Ernie Matson > > > > mjrtom999 wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > There was some mail being bounced around here > > > recently about the corals > > > being gone in the next 20 years or so..? can someone > > > please get me the > > > original refernce source for that "fact"? > > > I would be very much appreciative > > > thank you much > > > -tomas oberding > > -- > **** <>< ******* <>< ******* <>< ******* <>< ******* > Alan E. Strong > Phys Scientist/Oceanographer > NOAA/NESDIS/ORA/ORAD -- E/RA3 > NOAA Science Center -- RM 711W > 5200 Auth Road > Camp Springs, MD 20746-4304 > Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov > 301-763-8102 x170 > FAX: 301-763-8108 > http://orbit-net.nesdis.noaa.gov/orad From jmcmanus at rsmas.miami.edu Sun Nov 12 17:24:29 2000 From: jmcmanus at rsmas.miami.edu (John McManus) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:24:29 -0500 Subject: Coral Reef Symposium Message-ID: <200011141356.NAA99553@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> One approach to limiting the ICRS would be to focus on having regional conferences the year before, and have only invited papers (and posters) at the global ICRS. The =93Regionals=94 could be staggered so that the global organizers could attend and select. One could emphasize producing a balance= d and representative global program, thereby minimizing the feeling that a paper not chosen was not =93good enough=94. There have, at least in the pas= t, been national/regional ICRS in Australia and Europe. Perhaps a few more could be added. I would push them up to the year before, so as to maintain currency and avoid concurrency with the ITMEMS. John _________________________________________________________ John W. McManus, PhD Director, National Center for Caribbean Coral Reef Research (NCORE) Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences (RSMAS) University of Miami, 4600 Rickenbacker Causeway Miami, Florida 33149. jmcmanus at rsmas.miami.edu Tel. (305) 361-4609 Fax (305) 361-4600 From Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov Mon Nov 13 14:50:24 2000 From: Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov (Alan E Strong) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:50:24 -0500 Subject: Symposium Ideas Message-ID: <200011141403.OAA99691@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> I "second" Andy Hooten's ideas on ITMEMS II and a second Coral Reefs' "sister" publication for addressing issues of applied management and conservation. It seems as though we need some "binning" of coral activities and this might serve us well. Alan E. Strong Phys Scientist/Oceanographer NOAA/NESDIS/ORA/ORAD -- E/RA3 NOAA Science Center -- RM 711W 5200 Auth Road Camp Springs, MD 20746-4304 Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov 301-763-8102 x170 FAX: 301-763-8108 http://orbit-net.nesdis.noaa.gov/orad Andy Hooten wrote: > > The issues raised in the recent threads about future Symposium and = > publication ideas are obviously on many of our minds who attended the = > 9th. I also recall the large attendance during the 8th in Panama (in = > 1996), where many concerns were raised about the upsurge in popularity = > and attendance-- especially among those interested in applied ecology, = > monitoring, reef management, economics, conservation, tourism-- and all = > of the other coral reef issues evolving around the basic science, and = > that these might have frustrated many of the scientists attending who = > wished to focus and debate academic issues. > > This time around, Terry Done's effort, with David Hopley's help, to be = > inclusive of all these coral reef interests with an eye toward = > integrating them is certainly to be applauded, as well as the efforts of = > the Washington, D.C.-based Seaweb's work in helping to bridge the = > communication gap between investigators, managers and the media. But = > given the sheer size of the conference and the number of participants, = > it clearly points to so many being overwhelmed with information (as = > noted in Alina Szmant's recent email, quoting the statistics from = > Bernard Salvat's plenary presentation).=20 > > It seems to me that the very first International Tropical Marine = > Ecosystems Management Symposium (with the unwieldy acronym of ITMEMS) = > held in Townsville, Australia in November, 1998 , could potentially = > serve coral reef managers and related interests--to take the information = > gained from the ICRS, and apply it in coral reef management, = > conservation and economic, etc. contexts. It is true that the very = > first ITMEMS largely focused on reviewing progress to date of the the = > International Coral Reef Initiative, but subsequent programs could be = > incorporated to truly be the Symposium whose main focus serves coral = > reef managers and related interests--applying the ever-increasing = > information gained from the scientific meetings.=20 > > Now an ITMEMS II is being planned for 2002, and perhaps this could serve = > as the opportunity to begin an alternating focus--highlight the more = > applied management and conservation interests for coral reefs? In short, = > there could be a "summer olympics/winter olympics" analogy alternating = > between ICRS and ITMEMS that could be synergistic, and possibly take = > some of the load from any single, large symposium.=20 > > I would also like to suggest that in the future, the ISRS consider a = > sister publication to "Coral Reefs" that might allow refereed = > publications specifically for applied coral reef studies and management = > ("Reef Management"?). It seems that certain parts of "Reef Encounter" = > have been moving in this direction over recent years, and a = > complementary publication whose focus in applied work would be useful, = > welcomed, and might help redirect management-related articles, thereby = > reducing the increasing rate of overload (and rejection rate) for "Coral = > Reefs". > > Perhaps in combination with the recent ideas submitted on Coral-List of = > moving publications into electronic platforms, we could develop both = > platform and symposium standards for our community of practice, and make = > this increasing amount of information better balanced, processed, = > peer-reviewed and edited, and in so doing, make it more digestible for = > us all. > > Andy Hooten > AJH, Environmental Services > 4005 Glenridge Street > Kensington, MD 20895-3708 > +1-301-942-8839 (office) > +1-301-962-9405 (fax) > +1-301-257-5739 (mobile) > Environmental_Services at attglobal.net > alternate email: > ahooten at worldbank.org > > From jmcmanus at rsmas.miami.edu Sun Nov 12 19:34:42 2000 From: jmcmanus at rsmas.miami.edu (John McManus) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:34:42 -0500 Subject: a question Message-ID: <200011141357.NAA99942@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> In reply to the inquiry of Tom Oberding, let me see if I can outline the major concerns briefly, and then perhaps my colleagues can fill in what I leave out. The summary should be useful to a number of people recently bein= g exposed to a confusing array of reef concerns. Most concerns can be divided into local-regional problems and global problems. Local-regional problems include a wide range of perturbations to reefs, suc= h as sedimentation, pollution, overfishing, coral predation, coral disease, etc. These all occur throughout the range of coral reefs, but vary widely i= n relative importance place to place. Many of us are particularly concerned about increasing numbers of coral reefs in which recovery from perturbation= s (resilience) seems to have been reduced by chronically high levels of organic pollution and/or reductions of herbivores (to fishing and/or disease), leading to increasing dominance by frondose macroalgae (seaweed) and inhibition of coral settling to various degrees. There may even be long-term (decadal?) permanence in some of these "phase-shifts" from coral dominance (or at least prominence) to macroalgal dominance (or at least coral reduction). However, most of us seem to be concerned here with reductions in coral and associated biota, rather than total losses of reef-building corals. The range of problems is summarized well in the recen= t status report edited by Clive Wilkinson and the phase-shift more specifically in my paper in the latest ICES Journal of Marine Science. A brief summary of the range and potential severity of the problems can be found at the WRI website in the Reefs at Risk Report. The "Global Effect" concerns generally center on either changes in seawater chemistry or global warming. The former is centered on a recent study by Kleypas, et al published in Science, indicating that climate change may lea= d to decreasing rates of calcification under certain circumstances. The post-publication interpretations range from opposition to the idea, to concerns about perceptible or imperceptible changes in calcification rates among coral reefs at high latitudes (north and south), to concern about the dissolution of broad expanses of reefs such as the Great Barrier Reef. Some of the more extreme views have been expressed in newspaper interviews. Global warming carries with it at least three concerns: 1. El Ni=F1os of increasing severity and/or frequency, 2. warming in general leading to widespread coral deaths and 3. changes in current patterns affecting the viabilities of reef populations. Since the El Ni=F1o effects are highly variable peaks spread over time, it is not clear to many that the evidence points to increasing frequencies or increasing severities. However, many at least expect both to be the case as the world becomes warmer. Regardless of the trend regarding El Ni=F1os, it is now clear that warming the sea has le= d to very widespread and often very severe deaths among reef-building coral populations. Within the next century, it is likely that global warming wil= l cause mean temperatures in tropical seas will cross the thresholds that hav= e recently led to massive coral death. The more optimistic among us tend to assume that reef-building corals will adapt toward increasing tolerance of warm temperatures, perhaps via zooxanthellae adaptation, coral adaptation, zooxanthellae substitution, coral substitution (as in changes in coral dominance), or combinations of these. However, the evidence for and against such optimism is not well-assembled. There are also concerns that increasin= g bleaching will mount with the pressures mentioned above to create a particularly severe depletion of reef corals. Overviews of the problem can be found in recent articles in Ambio and elsewhere (see http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/bulls/clive-bleaching.html), and you can find on= e via the website of the Conference on Biodiversity (a workshop in which we tried to summarize the implications of the recent global bleaching and subsequent documents). Go to : http://www.biodiv.org/ and search for "bleaching" to see a list of downloadable documents. As for assembling the evidence concerning adaptation and substitution potentials and related chemical changes, a group of us are putting together a "state-of-the-art" workshop for early 2001 for this purpose. The concern about current changes related to climate change has to do with the often complex and unique means by which many reef organisms return from their early pelagic stages to settle reefs of origin, riding specific current patterns, eddies, etc. Warming the seas would undoubtedly alter these currents, and one would expect some populations of fish and some othe= r creatures to take decades to adapt accordingly. Some of us expect there to be severe local problems with coral reef fisheries, etc. The effect on corals is less obvious. There seems to be little written on the general "current-shift" problem, so we are also putting together a "state-of-the-art" workshop on that subject for mid-2001. However, the effect of the current-shifting is likely to be highly variable place to place and not particularly permanent, and yet another stress to add to the list. Please forgive the paucity of specific references - my boxes are still packed awaiting the opening of our new offices. However, this should get yo= u started. John _________________________________________________________ John W. McManus, PhD Director, National Center for Caribbean Coral Reef Research (NCORE) Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences (RSMAS) University of Miami, 4600 Rickenbacker Causeway Miami, Florida 33149. jmcmanus at rsmas.miami.edu Tel. (305) 361-4609 Fax (305) 361-4600 -----Original Message----- From: =09owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov] On Behalf Of mjrtom999 Sent:=09Sunday, November 12, 2000 6:29 AM To:=09coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov Subject:=09a question Hi all, There was some mail being bounced around here recently about the corals being gone in the next 20 years or so..? can someone please get me the original refernce source for that "fact"? I would be very much appreciative thank you much -tomas oberding From annalena_s at yahoo.com Tue Nov 14 07:06:07 2000 From: annalena_s at yahoo.com (Annalena Schiller) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:06:07 +0100 Subject: project Message-ID: <200011141445.OAA85276@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> My name is Annalena Schiller and I am a German student at the IfM (Institute of Marine Research) in Kiel. Currently I am looking for a place where I could write my thesis. My main subjects are Fisheries Biology and Aquaculture and I would like to write about artificial reefs. It would be from April/May next year on. I have research diving experience from a 3 months work experience at Leigh Marine Laboratories (University of Auckland), New Zealand. LANGUAGES: English +++ and Spanish ++ (and German, of course) If you happen to know any people who work on artificial reef projects or if you happen to be one of those people yourself, would you be so kind and let me know? Kind regards, Annalena annalena_s at yahoo.com P.S. Please respond directly to me instead of to the list. From Jonathan.Kelsey at noaa.gov Tue Nov 14 11:53:13 2000 From: Jonathan.Kelsey at noaa.gov (Jonathan Kelsey) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:53:13 -0500 Subject: Seeking Info Quick References: <3A1035E4.7BE7824D@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <3A116DF9.D81063AA@noaa.gov> List - I am looking for the economic value (market value, etc.) of coral rubble that washes up on beaches adjacent to reefs. A resource management agency in the Caribbean had a developer/violator remove several truckloads of coral rubble from a local beach. The coral was used for ornamental purposes and the fixatives used by the developer are preventative of returning the used coral heads to the beach. The agency has assessed a fine, but seeks to incorporate the cost of this rubble. Does anyone have any ideas on how to ascertain the value of the coral rubble? Thanks in advance. Jonathan -- Jonathan D. Kelsey Coastal Management Specialist, Pacific Region NOAA/NOS/Coastal Programs Division 1305 East-West Highway, 11th Floor Silver Spring, MD 20910 (301) 713-3155 x137 (301) 713-4367 (fax) From howzit at turtles.org Tue Nov 14 20:08:10 2000 From: howzit at turtles.org (Ursula Keuper-Bennett) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:08:10 -0500 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean In-Reply-To: <200011141357.NAA99942@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001114172601.025e6e10@pop.vex.net> Dear Coral Types, I've been following the debate about the demise of coral reefs with great interest. As recreational divers who have adopted a coral reef, we care very much about the health of "ours". This reef is also home to a group of Hawaiian green sea turtles we love and that makes our interest even more intense. Right now coral researchers can discuss/debate all sorts of issues that affect coral reefs --global warming, sedimentation, pollution, run-off, over-fishing, coral predation, El Nino, bleaching, faunal/floral changes, thermal events, coral mortality events, algae blooms, this model and that model --but ultimately there's a problem. And Tim Ecott spelled it out nicely. He wrote: >Given that it is reasonably easy, in layman's terms, to convince the >'general public' that the sea is an essential component of our fragile >biosphere, then there seems only one useful end to the debate about coral >mortality - that the planet is in deep shit. Drawing from our own experience diving in West Maui, Hawaii, it is VERY difficult to convince the "general public" that our section of ocean is in trouble, let alone get action. And we ARE in trouble. We've had repeated algae blooms: 1991 and here from just this summer: On strong current days we have to pick algae slime off our favourite corals to make sure they don't smother: The vast majority of the sea turtles we know have tumours. Most corals to our northern perimeter are just green lumps, with seaweed growing on them, killed in the '89 bloom. But here's the REAL problem. No matter how many turtles sicken, no matter how much seaweed-stink lines our beach attracting white flies, no matter who SLIMY the water is to swim in (that's my husband and his fins right side there, and yes, we dive in this stuff) the "general public" lounging on the beach or enjoying a tour on a catamaran, will look around and see only BLUE OCEAN --and be lulled into thinking that nothing is wrong. That ocean BETRAYS us --it stays blue no matter WHAT is happening under the water. Even in 1991 when I was armpit deep in Cladophora one day. <> And there were rafts of Hypnea on the surface. to anyone else looking seaward that day, guess what? That ocean was BLUE. It was business as usual. And back then I was silly enough to think that all that blight would harm tourism in our area --that people would not come back because of the slime and the stink. But I was wrong. Last summer (almost ten years later) tourists now PLAY with the seaweed, tossing it to each other. They lie on the lounge chairs --a bit away from the white flies mind you --but still catch rays among the weed and the flies. Tim Ecott wrote: >We journalists are certainly 'simplistic'. It is a simple issue. The reefs >are dying and most of the world doesn't know about it - let alone care. He's right. So long's the ocean's blue on top, people really don't care WHAT'S been swept under the "carpet"! And calling back Tim's comment from before: >Given that it is reasonably easy, in layman's terms, to convince the >'general public' that the sea is an essential component of our fragile >biosphere, then there seems only one useful end to the debate about coral >mortality - that the planet is in deep shit. I agree completely -- "the planet is in deep shit." And I'm convinced the planet is in deep shit because we humans can adapt to anything --INCLUDING shit. So long's that ocean's BLUE! Ursula Keuper-Bennett TURTLE TRAX P.S. This does not mean we've given up! ----------------------------------------- ^ Ursula Keuper-Bennett 0 0 mailto: howzit at turtles.org /V^\ /^V\ /V Turtle Trax V\ http://www.turtles.org / \ "A promise is a promise, Lt. Dan." \ / -- Forrest Gump / \ / \ /__| V |__\ malama na honu From hendee at aoml.noaa.gov Wed Nov 15 07:21:46 2000 From: hendee at aoml.noaa.gov (Jim Hendee) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:21:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Maintenance scheduled Message-ID: Greetings, Coral-Listers, This is just a heads-up that the coral.aoml.noaa.gov workstation will be down for some routine maintenance today or tomorrow; thus, coral-list and the CHAMP Web Page may be inaccessible for a short period. We should be back up and running, though, in a very short amount of time. Thank you for your patience. Cheers, Jim ---------------------------------------------------- James C. Hendee, Ph.D. Coral Health and Monitoring Program Ocean Chemistry Division Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration U.S. Department of Commerce 4301 Rickenbacker Causeway Miami, FL 33149-1026 Voice: (305) 361-4396 Fax: (305) 361-4392 Email: jim.hendee at noaa.gov Web: http://www.coral.noaa.gov From Mark.Eakin at noaa.gov Wed Nov 15 10:21:43 2000 From: Mark.Eakin at noaa.gov (Mark Eakin) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:21:43 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Navidad Virus Alert] Message-ID: <3A12AA0B.AAB91F2A@noaa.gov> Virus Alert forwarded from NOAA Security. Subject: Navidad Internet Worm Alert Resent-From: cert at noaa.gov Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:55:38 -0500 From: "Becky R Vasvary" Organization: US DOC/NOAA Several reports have been received regarding the W32.Navidad internet worm. This worm will arrive as an email attachment with the name Navidad.exe. Running the attachment infects your machine. Network Associate's McAfee virus software detects and removes the virus. All PCs should have the LATEST Superdat 4105 (Intel) November 9, 2000. From C.C.C.Wabnitz at newcastle.ac.uk Tue Nov 14 17:21:10 2000 From: C.C.C.Wabnitz at newcastle.ac.uk (Colette Wabnitz) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:21:10 GMT0BST Subject: HOT AIR IN THE HAGUE Message-ID: <200011151501.PAA06967@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Hello everyone, Reading the following article in the news this morning underlined my general feeling of necessity for taking action on the Kyoto Protocol. This is exactly what was also highlighted by Don McAllister in his last message to us all, namely: "By all means let's model, but simultaneously put serious resources into cutting emissions ". Research has shown us all that our world is 'heating up' fast, now it's time to do something about it! - Colette GLOBAL WARMING TALKS COULD BE MERE HOT AIR IN THE HAGUE. A final attempt to hammer together a treaty to tackle global warming, the biggest environmental threat in human history, gets underway today, reports AFP. But fears are widening that the marathon talks, already bogged down by years of squabbles, could be a waste of time if Texas oilman George W. Bush enters the White House. The treaty, the Kyoto Protocol, commits developed countries to trimming outputs of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other gases blamed for the "greenhouse" effect. Byproducts from fossil fuels and agriculture, these carbon gases hang in the lower atmosphere like an invisible blanket, gradually forcing the air temperature to rise. But the instrument chosen to tackle the looming peril is unwieldy and hobbled by national interests. Signed in 1997 under UN auspices as a "framework" treaty, Kyoto is awaiting the mechanisms that will give it shape and the ratification that will give it life. In the words of one exasperated delegate, the protocol "bears out the proverb that a camel is really a horse designed by a committee." Laden with untested ideas, complex concessions to poor countries and an arcane evaluation of the CO2-absorbing powers of forests, the process has been dogged by problems since its inception. Initially murky and often challenged when the phenomenon was first identified around a decade ago, the scientific data on global warming are now clearer and convincing. The conclusion: depending on how quickly the world acts to brake gas emissions, the atmospheric temperature over the next century will rise significantly. At the least, the increase will boost rainfall in the northern hemisphere and cause greater dryness in warmer latitudes. At the worst, the polar icecaps will shrink and the seas will expand, making ocean levels rise -- possibly by enough to drown low-lying island states such as the Maldives and parts of delta nations such as Bangladesh. In other news, the Financial Times (11/13, p.1) reports that talks on proposals to cut greenhouse gas emissions which begin today in The Hague could be jeopardized by the EU's unwillingness to negotiate on some key issues, Japans' chief negotiator has warned. Meanwhile, the International Herald Tribune (11/13, p.7) writes that a bitter clash between the US and Europe threaten to block agreement on how to comply with an international treaty on global warming when representatives from more than 150 countries gather today in The Hague. (This summary is prepared by the External Affairs Department of the World Bank. All material is taken directly from published and copyright wire service stories and newspaper articles.) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> \\\\ Colette Wabnitz .-' `-. Department of Marine Sciences and Tropical Coastal Management .-' '. Centre for Tropical Coastal Management .' '-. Ridley Building (`-.-' {{ (*) / University of Newcastle } .'~-. _\ Newcastle upon Tyne (/ ~-. .;;'~ NE1 7RU ///~~''~ Tel: 0191 222 5345 Fax: 0191 222 7891 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From Ed.Green at unep-wcmc.org Wed Nov 15 05:06:07 2000 From: Ed.Green at unep-wcmc.org (Ed Green) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:06:07 +0000 Subject: Extension of deadline - ICRAN Director Message-ID: Dear Coral List The ICRAN Steering Committe met last month during the 9th ICRS in Bali. At that time we were informed that the UNF have extended the proposal process and so a decision was taken to extend the recruitment of the ICRAN Director accordingly. The new deadline is now 17:00 on Friday 24th November 2000. No applications will be accepted after that time. Please refer to the text below for further details and application process. Many thanks on behalf of all ICRAN partners to those who have already responded. Ed ********* PLEASE REPLY ONLY TO THE ADDRESS GIVEN BELOW ********* ICRAN Director The International Coral Reef Action Network (ICRAN) is an integrated and collaborative programme to halt and reverse the decline in health of the world's coral reefs. Through assessment, awareness-raising, training and demonstration projects in the Regional Seas, ICRAN will catalyse action worldwide. ICRAN is one of the three networks operational networks of ICRI and is an initiative of seven global organisations active in coral reef conservation and sustainable use (ICLARM, UNEP-DEIA&EW, WRI, UNEP-WCMC, GCRMN, ICRI-Secretariat, CORAL), supported by the United Nations Foundation. The ICRAN Co-ordinating Unit will be located at UNEP-WCMC, Cambridge, UK. As host organisation UNEP-WCMC will provide the ICRAN Co-ordinating Unit with technical and institutional support. Staff of the ICRAN Co-ordinating Unit will be recruited under terms and conditions developed for UNEP-WCMC staff, but will not be UNEP-WCMC employees. The ICRAN Director will report directly to the Chair of the ICRAN Management Board and the Chair of the ICRAN Steering Committee. Initially the Director of UNEP-DEIA&EW will hold both these chairs. Candidates are invited to submit a letter of application accompanied by their Curriculum Vitae to: Denise Rowllings Head of Personnel UNEP World Conservation Monitoring Centre 219 Huntingdon Road Cambridge CB3 0DL United Kingdom E mail: Denise.Rowllings at unep-wcmc.org Tel: (44) 1223 277314 Fax: (44) 1223 277136 Short-listed candidates will be notified during the week after the 30th November 2000. Interviews will be held in early January 2001 and candidates are asked to indicate their availability at that time. Attachments: 1. ICRAN description 2. ICRAN project director ToR Please contact Denise Rowllings for a detailed explanation of the benefits package or for copies of the attachments. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ICRAN DESCRIPTION ICRAN - a programme for the world's coral reefs The International Coral Reef Action Network (ICRAN) is an integrated and collaborative programme to halt and reverse the decline in health of the world's coral reefs. Through assessment, awareness-raising, training and demonstration projects in the Regional Seas, ICRAN will catalyse action worldwide. ICRAN is one of the three ICRI operational networks and is an initiative of seven global organisations active in coral reef conservation and sustainable use , supported by the United Nations Foundation. The ICRAN programme partners will conduct a set of inter-linked, highly complementary activities to enable the proliferation of good practices for coral reef management and conservation. Strategic on-the-ground action will be implemented through the UNEP Regional Seas Programmes and will be combined with assessment and information to enhance effective management of people's actions and their impacts upon coral reefs. ICRAN is a catalytic effort that, up until now, has never been attempted on a global scale. It represents a unique collaboration with some of the most important international organisations in coral reef science and conservation. This co-ordination among key partners, who are already working towards reversing the decline of coral reefs around the world, is an attempt to combine efforts to achieve the urgent, common goal identified in the International Coral Reef Initiative "Renewed Call to Action". The United Nations Foundation (UNF) is providing the means to carry out this crucial work. However, ICRAN is not simply a continuation of works in progress; the purpose of the Network is to accelerate and more effectively integrate key information with good management practices and increased awareness of coral reef resources. ICRAN outcomes will be spread across in three critically important areas of activity: 1. Management Action ? A global network of demonstration sites for Integrated Coastal Management (ICM) and Marine Protected Areas (MPA): to serve as models in good governance for better protection of coral reefs combined with social and economic development. ? Training materials tailored to the needs of coral reef managers in all regions, and a global network of trained coastal management trainers. ? Establishment of a Coral Reef Fund to support coral reef management and conservation activities beyond the project period. 2. Assessment ? A series of regional Reefs at Risk publications: region by region geographical analyses of the threats to coral reefs. ? A strengthening and repositioning of ReefBase to enhance its function as a global repository for data on coral reefs, and as a major information centre for ICRAN. Dissemination of ReefBase on CD-ROM and via the Internet will provide access to all information generated under ICRAN ? Enhancement of the Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network (GCRMN) to provide field data on coral reef health and on the status of reef-dependent peoples. 3. Communication ? A set of public information materials aimed at increasing interest and improving knowledge about coral reefs worldwide. These will include a World Atlas of Coral Reefs and a compendium of best-practice guidelines for coral reef management. ? Enhanced awareness of coral reef conservation and proper management through a worldwide public information campaign, including both mass media and the provision of materials to NGOs and schools. ? Further enhancement of ICRI's capacity to specifically promote and affect policy reforms specifically to encourage the commitment of governments and international agencies to protect coral reef resources for future generations. Through these combined activities ICRAN will achieve a documented improvement in management practices leading to reduced threats to coral reefs and a net increase in coral reef health. The UN Foundation has funded the one-year Start-up Phase to begin many of ICRAN's core activities. A Strategic Plan is being prepared and will identify the priorities for the four-year Action Phase - from 2001 to 2004. With initial UNF support, ICRAN aims to create a functioning network in selected coral reef regions of the world. ICRAN then intends to expand its global network, and seek counterpart funding that will eventually replace and sustain its key activities. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ICRAN PROJECT DIRECTOR - TERMS OF REFERENCE TERMS OF REFERENCE FOR THE ICRAN DIRECTOR Duties ? Coordinate the implementation of projects conducted as part of ICRAN ? Provide regular reports to UNEP, donors to ICRAN, ICRAN partners, and the ICRI CPC: (1) reviewing of the progress of projects in the ICRAN Program; (2) identifying current priorities for further action; (3) presenting proposals to keep the ICRAN Strategic Plan up to date. ? For those Regional Seas Coordinating Units involved in ICRAN: (1) to facilitate coordination and partnership between these RCUs; (2) to develop capacity within the Regional Seas to implement ICRAN Action Phase. ? In liaison with the ICRAN Management Board, to identify and maximise opportunities to secure funding and in-kind support for: (1) the ICRAN Program as a whole; (2) for specific components of the Program. ? Maintain a high level of liaison with the ICRI CPC, ICRAN partners and others in the ICRI Framework for Action ? Prepare and revise ICRAN project documents ? Assist ICRAN implementing partners in developing applications for ICRAN project support ? Represent ICRAN in scientific, management and other relevant forums and raise awareness about ICRAN, the work of its partners and the status of coral reefs ? Review the extent and nature of involvement of communities and non-government organisations in the implementation of projects ? As Executive Officer, provide support to the ICRAN Management Board and ICRAN Steering Committee ? Ensure that ICRAN is undergoing periodic review and programme monitoring ? Line management of other staff in the ICRAN Co-ordinating Unit Qualifications And Experience The successful candidate should have: ? Several (10+) years implementation and management experience working with a diverse range of government and international agencies, NGOs, community groups, and donors. ? Extensive experience in the conduct of projects or programs addressing environment protection, conservation or sustainable use of natural resources, preferably in the marine environment. ? Extensive experience in the conduct of projects or programs addressing environment protection, conservation or sustainable use of natural resources, preferably in the marine environment. ? Qualifications and experience in natural resources management, especially in Integrated Coastal Management and Marine Protected Areas, and knowledge of the coral reef conservation community and current initiatives is essential. Research in a relevant area of natural science would be an advantage. The ability to commence work in 2000 or early 2001 would be an advantage. Reporting Responsibilities ? Financial, personnel and overall program implementation: Chair ICRAN Management Board ? Program development and review: Chair ICRAN Steering Committee Salary and Benefits ? Salary range ?36,000 - ?45,000 p.a. depending on experience ? Annual leave of 25 days plus UK national holidays ? A contributory pension scheme active after one year's employment ? A non-contributory life insurance scheme equal to four years salary ? Parental and sick leave commensurate with UK employment law >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Edmund Green Head, Marine and Coastal Programme UNEP World Conservation Monitoring Centre 219 Huntingdon Road Cambridge CB3 0DL United Kingdom Tel: (44) 1223 277314 Fax: (44) 1223 277136 E mail: ed.green at unep-wcmc.org From fthomas20 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 15 11:21:00 2000 From: fthomas20 at yahoo.com (Florence Thomas) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:21:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: 2001 ISRS/CMC Coral Reef Fellowship Message-ID: <20001115162100.11637.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Competetive fellowships and assistantships are available for the study of tropical and subtropical ecology. Empahsis is on the effects of hydrodynamics on nutrient processes in coral reefs, seagrasses, and mangrove habitats. The fellowships are for $20,000, the assistantships are for $16,000. All tuition is inncluded. Other areas of research interest will also be supported including invertebrate reproductive biology. Please contact Dr. Florence Thomas, Department of Biology, UNiversity of South FLorida,Tampa, Florida 33620 813-974-9608 fthomas at chuma1.cas.usf.edu --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001115/9b219b1e/attachment.html From fthomas20 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 15 11:27:19 2000 From: fthomas20 at yahoo.com (Florence Thomas) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:27:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Assistantships and Fellowships available Message-ID: <20001115162719.47450.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry, I sent this message previously with the wrong subject line. Competative fellowships and assistantships available to study tropical and subtropical ecology. Emphasis will be on the hydrodynamics of nutrient transport in coral reefs, seagrasses, and mangroves. Additionally, research interests in other areas of physical biology or in reproductive ecology will be considered. The fellowships are for 20,000 and the assistantships for 16,000. If interested please contact Dr. Florence Thomas, Department of Biology, University of South Florida, Tampa, Fl 33620, 813-974-9608, fthomas at chuma1.cas.usf.edu --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001115/c03dd14e/attachment.html From hendee at aoml.noaa.gov Wed Nov 15 13:33:59 2000 From: hendee at aoml.noaa.gov (Jim Hendee) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:33:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: TEST Message-ID: Sorry, folks, test of coral-list. Cheers, Jim coral-list admin From deevon at bellsouth.net Wed Nov 15 14:01:24 2000 From: deevon at bellsouth.net (deevon) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:01:24 -0500 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001114172601.025e6e10@pop.vex.net> Message-ID: <3A12DD84.5EB817D9@bellsouth.net> Dear Ursula--I sympathize with you but would point out that in the Florida Keys, the water turned green and we still have those who would deny that there is a problem. Sure the nutrients can't be traced to the reef--its in the green water...and the algal blooms.....etc. . Regards, DeeVon Quirolo, Ex. Director, Reef Relief Ursula Keuper-Bennett wrote: > Dear Coral Types, > > I've been following the debate about the demise of coral reefs with great > interest. > > As recreational divers who have adopted a coral reef, we care very much > about the health of "ours". This reef is also home to a group of Hawaiian > green sea turtles we love and that makes our interest even more intense. > > Right now coral researchers can discuss/debate all sorts of issues that > affect coral reefs --global warming, sedimentation, pollution, run-off, > over-fishing, coral predation, El Nino, bleaching, faunal/floral changes, > thermal events, coral mortality events, algae blooms, this model and that > model --but ultimately there's a problem. > > And Tim Ecott spelled it out nicely. > > He wrote: > > >Given that it is reasonably easy, in layman's terms, to convince the > >'general public' that the sea is an essential component of our fragile > >biosphere, then there seems only one useful end to the debate about coral > >mortality - that the planet is in deep shit. > > Drawing from our own experience diving in West Maui, Hawaii, it is VERY > difficult to convince the "general public" that our section of ocean is in > trouble, let alone get action. And we ARE in trouble. > > We've had repeated algae blooms: > > 1991 > > and here from just this summer: > > > > On strong current days we have to pick algae slime off our favourite corals > to make sure they don't smother: > > > > The vast majority of the sea turtles we know have tumours. > > > > Most corals to our northern perimeter are just green lumps, with seaweed > growing on them, killed in the '89 bloom. > > But here's the REAL problem. > > No matter how many turtles sicken, > > > > no matter how much seaweed-stink lines our beach attracting white flies, > > > > no matter who SLIMY the water is to swim in (that's my husband and his fins > right side there, and yes, we dive in this stuff) > > > > the "general public" lounging on the beach or enjoying a tour on a > catamaran, will look around and see only BLUE OCEAN --and be lulled into > thinking that nothing is wrong. > > That ocean BETRAYS us --it stays blue no matter WHAT is happening under the > water. > > Even in 1991 when I was armpit deep in Cladophora one day. > > <> > > And there were rafts of Hypnea on the surface. > > > > to anyone else looking seaward that day, guess what? > > That ocean was BLUE. It was business as usual. > > And back then I was silly enough to think that all that blight would harm > tourism in our area --that people would not come back because of the slime > and the stink. But I was wrong. Last summer (almost ten years later) > tourists now PLAY with the seaweed, tossing it to each other. They lie on > the lounge chairs --a bit away from the white flies mind you --but still > catch rays among the weed and the flies. > > Tim Ecott wrote: > > >We journalists are certainly 'simplistic'. It is a simple issue. The reefs > >are dying and most of the world doesn't know about it - let alone care. > > He's right. So long's the ocean's blue on top, people really don't care > WHAT'S been swept under the "carpet"! > > And calling back Tim's comment from before: > > >Given that it is reasonably easy, in layman's terms, to convince the > >'general public' that the sea is an essential component of our fragile > >biosphere, then there seems only one useful end to the debate about coral > >mortality - that the planet is in deep shit. > > I agree completely -- "the planet is in deep shit." > > And I'm convinced the planet is in deep shit because we humans can adapt to > anything --INCLUDING shit. > > So long's that ocean's BLUE! > > Ursula Keuper-Bennett > TURTLE TRAX > > P.S. This does not mean we've given up! > > > ----------------------------------------- > ^ Ursula Keuper-Bennett > 0 0 mailto: howzit at turtles.org > /V^\ /^V\ > /V Turtle Trax V\ http://www.turtles.org > / \ > > "A promise is a promise, Lt. Dan." > > \ / -- Forrest Gump > / \ / \ > /__| V |__\ > malama na honu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001115/1eba231e/attachment.html From J.Mallela at mmu.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 07:54:30 2000 From: J.Mallela at mmu.ac.uk (J.Mallela at mmu.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:54:30 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200011161343.NAA10315@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Hi! I was wondering if anyone knows of a handy web site/contact for satelite images &/or GIS images for Jamaica. Any information would be appreciated. Thankyou Jennie Jennie Mallela PhD student Manchester Metropolitan University Environmental and Geographical Sciences From hendee at aoml.noaa.gov Thu Nov 16 07:36:11 2000 From: hendee at aoml.noaa.gov (Jim Hendee) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:36:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Subscribe/Unsubscribe Message-ID: <200011161342.NAA10212@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> For those of you who forgot how to subscribe and unsubscribe, or how to join the weekly or daily digest, or who otherwise lost the Welcome Message and require a refresher, here it is again. Cheers, Jim ~~~~~~~~ Welcome to the Coral Health and Monitoring Program List-Server! SAVE THIS MESSAGE! It has important information on subscribing and unsubscribing from coral-list. The purpose of the Coral Health and Monitoring list-server is to provide a forum for Internet discussions and announcements among coral health researchers pertaining to coral reef health and monitoring throughout the world. 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Sincerely yours, Jim Hendee Louis Florit Philippe Dubosq Ocean Chemistry Division Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration 4301 Rickenbacker Causeway Miami, FL 33149-1026 USA From ells at watleo.uwaterloo.ca Thu Nov 16 09:40:41 2000 From: ells at watleo.uwaterloo.ca (Ellsworth LeDrew) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:40:41 -0500 Subject: Coral Reef Symposium In-Reply-To: <200011141356.NAA99553@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> References: <200011141356.NAA99553@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: Good morning, a belated response to John's imaginative solution: Some of us cannot use our grant money (as per in Canada) to attend conferences unless we present science papers related to the grant. Unless we are invited to the global ICRS in this scenario, we could not attend. This would create a division of have's and have not's. Personally, I thought the Bali conference was excellent. There are always difficulties, but having organized a few myself I know that these cannot be avoided and the best result is for a positive science or management experience for the majority. There is a lot of science being done and it is not unreasonable to expect a large number of concurrent sessions to accommodate that; that is a measure of the success of the community! Personally I found something interesting at all times which is more than I can say for some of the other conferences in my other fields. On top of this I did have time to review the posters that I found interesting. To restrict the offerings of papers is to restrict our choice of participating in interesting work and I think that would be counterproductive. Many thanks to the organizers. Ellsworth LeDrew >One approach to limiting the ICRS would be to focus on having regional >conferences the year before, and have only invited papers (and posters) at >the global ICRS. The =93Regionals=94 could be staggered so that the global >organizers could attend and select. One could emphasize producing a balance= >d >and representative global program, thereby minimizing the feeling that a >paper not chosen was not =93good enough=94. There have, at least in the pas= >t, >been national/regional ICRS in Australia and Europe. Perhaps a few more >could be added. I would push them up to the year before, so as to maintain >currency and avoid concurrency with the ITMEMS. > > >John > >_________________________________________________________ > >John W. McManus, PhD >Director, National Center for Caribbean Coral Reef Research (NCORE) >Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences (RSMAS) >University of Miami, 4600 Rickenbacker Causeway >Miami, Florida 33149. >jmcmanus at rsmas.miami.edu >Tel. (305) 361-4609 >Fax (305) 361-4600 -- Dr. Ellsworth F. LeDrew Professor of Geography University of Waterloo On Sabbatical Leave from September 1, 2000 to August 31, 2001 Waterloo, ON N2L 3G1 Canada ells at watleo.uwaterloo.ca See my web page for info on research http://watleo.uwaterloo.ca/~ells/ From ajnilsen at online.no Thu Nov 16 10:01:22 2000 From: ajnilsen at online.no (Alf Jacob Nilsen) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:01:22 +0100 Subject: Pukhet Marine Biol Research Centre Message-ID: <3A13F6C2.2968A2E4@online.no> Dear friends, In connection with a travel to Pukhet, I am interesting in getting in touch with Pukhet Aquarium and Pukhet Marine Biol. Research centre...... Is the anyone of you that can help me with a contact via e-mail? cheers Alf J Nilsen -- Alf Jacob Nilsen N-4432 Hidrasund NORWAY Phone: +47 383 72256 Fax: +47 383 72351 e-mail: ajnilsen at online.no PRIVATE WEB: http://home.sol.no/~alfnil/index.htm BOOK WEB: http://www.mcra.com PHOTO AGENCY: http://www.aquariumworld.com/bioquaticshop From scip8370 at nus.edu.sg Fri Nov 17 00:31:37 2000 From: scip8370 at nus.edu.sg (Sasi Nayar) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:31:37 +0800 Subject: Pukhet Marine Biol. Research Stn Message-ID: <200011171225.MAA99955@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Hi, >In connection with a travel to Pukhet, I am interesting in getting in >touch with Pukhet Aquarium and Pukhet Marine Biol. Research >centre...... Is the anyone of you that can help me with a contact via >e-mail? You may try contacting them at: 'pmbcnet at sun.phuket.ksc.co.th' I really doubt whether the researchers there have individual ID's. This is a common one! ******************* Mr.Sasi Nayar Reef Ecology Laboratory Department of Biological Sciences National University of Singapore 10 Kent Ridge Crescent SINGAPORE 119 260 Tel : (+65) 778 7112 URL : http ://www.dbs.nus.edu.sg/reef/web/websasi.html -------------------- Research Scholar Tropical Marine Science Institute 14 Kent Ridge Road National University of Singapore SINGAPORE 119 223 Tel : (+65) 774 9881 / 7749658 Fax : (+65) 774 9654 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Join PLANKTONNET- Discussion list for plankton researchers. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From a.halford at aims.gov.au Thu Nov 16 20:33:37 2000 From: a.halford at aims.gov.au (Andrew Halford) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:33:37 +0800 Subject: ICRS Bali Message-ID: <200011171221.MAA03570@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Hi all, I would like to offer my view as an ICRS participant in Bali. Firstly, the conference was terrific, with plenty of variety to choose from each day.....I add my thanks for the organisers. There were some aspects that detracted from the overall effectiveness of the conference but these could be addressed quite easily. What needs to be reiterated is that the ICRS is the only general forum available for people who work in tropical reef research and management. Participants from all levels and fields can interact and gain exposure to all aspects of tropical reef research and management. Many cannot afford the luxury of an international conference more than once every four years and that is why this is such a good forum the way it is. The negatives from the conference as far as I was concerned were mainly to do with the lack of a general meeting place where everyone would naturally congregate during breaks and at the end of the day ie a large bar and cafe area (a point already raised by others). As well, more "official" social events such as a "meet and greet" on the night preceding the conference, perhaps a happy hour one afternoon and of course the conference dinner (which I feel is better placed at the end of the conference so everyone can let their hair down at the same time). The other aspect which needs to be looked at is the timing of the workshops. Perhaps it would be possible to hold them during the day rather than late at night as often happened. An earlier start to facilitate holding workshops would prove more productive than holding them at the end of such long days. I think the workshops are probably under-utilised as a result of being held at night. My previous point brings me to my final comment about the size and quality of the participants. The conference organisers need to set a cap on the number of positions available and with that variable set in stone it will be far easier to fine tune the conference to work out the most effective way of holding it (my caveat to this is that there will obviously be some hosts with far superior facilities to others and numbers could then fluctuate up or down around an optimum size, depending on the facilities available). If finances permit, a small team (one person maybe??) of professional conference organisers could be hired to look at the facilities at the incoming host country and advise on what is feasible. As for the quality of papers/ posters etc as more people apply for a limited number of positions quality should naturally go up (competition brings out the best in some). Perhaps Symposia organisers could also vet participants in their sessions a little more rigorously to ensure presentations are of sufficient standard. It is impossible to please everyone so I sincerely hope that the conference holds its basic format as it is a wonderful week that most look forward to with relish. cheers Andrew Andrew Halford Experimental Scientist, Australian Institute of Marine Science, Long Term Monitoring and Reef Fish Ecology. PO Box 264, Dampier,WA. 6713 AUSTRALIA Ph +61 8 9183 1122 Fax +61 8 9183 1085 From skelton_p at student.usp.ac.fj Thu Nov 16 19:44:21 2000 From: skelton_p at student.usp.ac.fj (skelton_p at student.usp.ac.fj) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:44:21 +1200 Subject: (Fwd) Re: More on CD-proceedings Message-ID: <200011171222.MAA14456@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> This contribution from Joan Koven was intended for the list to fuel discussion on ICRS proceedings (I thnik). ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:15:09 -0500 (EST) From: JKoven at aol.com Subject: Re: More on CD-proceedings To: skelton_p at student.usp.ac.fj A combination of well indexed CD, html/web site and a limited paper text run (preferred type requested in advance, perhaps with registration?) could certainly cut costs yet make the information available to all. The presentation of full-page abstracts might fill the bill for the printed texts... As to actual format, PDF vs Word vs whatever else may arise - 4 years is a long time in the technology field - I suggest that those charged with the decisions wait at least 2 or 3 before deciding . Example: just how many Power Point presentations were there in 96? Joan F. Koven Astrolabe, Inc. 601 Springloch Rd. Silver Spring, MD 20904 Posa A. Skelton Marine Studies Programme The University of the South Pacific PO Box 1168 Suva, FIJI Ph. (679) 212887 Fax (679) 301490 eMail: skelton_p at student.usp.ac.fj From peterburnside at yahoo.com Thu Nov 16 23:12:05 2000 From: peterburnside at yahoo.com (Peter Burnside) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:12:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: <200011171223.MAA13899@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> "From an economic standpoint, I'm not sure that a live reef is worth much more than a dead one. Most first time snorkelers...(the majority of the market)do not know the difference. They see a few fish, they lie in the sun. It's just another day at the beach." -Journalist Joel Simon, author of "Endangered Mexico: An Environment on the Edge" after visiting Cancun. Thats the problem with reef ecotourism economics--for those whose sole motivation for protecting reefs is tourism dollars, it doesn't really matter how healthy the reef is as long as the dollars keep coming. Solutions anyone? Peter Burnside Dear Ursula--I sympathize with you but would point out that in the Florida Keys, the water turned green and we still have those who would deny that there is a problem. Sure the nutrients can't be traced to the reef--its in the green water...and the algal blooms.....etc. . Regards, DeeVon Quirolo, Ex. Director, Reef Relief Ursula Keuper-Bennett wrote: > Dear Coral Types, > > I've been following the debate about the demise of coral reefs with great > interest. > > As recreational divers who have adopted a coral reef, we care very much > about the health of "ours". This reef is also home to a group of Hawaiian > green sea turtles we love and that makes our interest even more intense. > > Right now coral researchers can discuss/debate all sorts of issues that > affect coral reefs --global warming, sedimentation, pollution, run-off, > over-fishing, coral predation, El Nino, bleaching, faunal/floral changes, > thermal events, coral mortality events, algae blooms, this model and that > model --but ultimately there's a problem. > > And Tim Ecott spelled it out nicely. > > He wrote: > > >Given that it is reasonably easy, in layman's terms, to convince the > >'general public' that the sea is an essential component of our fragile > >biosphere, then there seems only one useful end to the debate about coral > >mortality - that the planet is in deep shit. > > Drawing from our own experience diving in West Maui, Hawaii, it is VERY > difficult to convince the "general public" that our section of ocean is in > trouble, let alone get action. And we ARE in trouble. > > We've had repeated algae blooms: > > 1991 > > and here from just this summer: > > > > On strong current days we have to pick algae slime off our favourite corals > to make sure they don't smother: > > > > The vast majority of the sea turtles we know have tumours. > > > > Most corals to our northern perimeter are just green lumps, with seaweed > growing on them, killed in the '89 bloom. > > But here's the REAL problem. > > No matter how many turtles sicken, > > > > no matter how much seaweed-stink lines our beach attracting white flies, > > > > no matter who SLIMY the water is to swim in (that's my husband and his fins > right side there, and yes, we dive in this stuff) > > > > the "general public" lounging on the beach or enjoying a tour on a > catamaran, will look around and see only BLUE OCEAN --and be lulled into > thinking that nothing is wrong. > > That ocean BETRAYS us --it stays blue no matter WHAT is happening under the > water. > > Even in 1991 when I was armpit deep in Cladophora one day. > > <> > > And there were rafts of Hypnea on the surface. > > > > to anyone else looking seaward that day, guess what? > > That ocean was BLUE. It was business as usual. > > And back then I was silly enough to think that all that blight would harm > tourism in our area --that people would not come back because of the slime > and the stink. But I was wrong. Last summer (almost ten years later) > tourists now PLAY with the seaweed, tossing it to each other. They lie on > the lounge chairs --a bit away from the white flies mind you --but still > catch rays among the weed and the flies. > > Tim Ecott wrote: > > >We journalists are certainly 'simplistic'. It is a simple issue. The reefs > >are dying and most of the world doesn't know about it - let alone care. > > He's right. So long's the ocean's blue on top, people really don't care > WHAT'S been swept under the "carpet"! > > And calling back Tim's comment from before: > > >Given that it is reasonably easy, in layman's terms, to convince the > >'general public' that the sea is an essential component of our fragile > >biosphere, then there seems only one useful end to the debate about coral > >mortality - that the planet is in deep shit. > > I agree completely -- "the planet is in deep shit." > > And I'm convinced the planet is in deep shit because we humans can adapt to > anything --INCLUDING shit. > > So long's that ocean's BLUE! > > Ursula Keuper-Bennett > TURTLE TRAX > > P.S. This does not mean we've given up! > > > ----------------------------------------- > ^ Ursula Keuper-Bennett > 0 0 mailto: howzit at turtles.org > /V^\ /^V\ > /V Turtle Trax V\ http://www.turtles.org > / \ > > "A promise is a promise, Lt. Dan." > > \ / -- Forrest Gump > / \ / \ > /__| V |__\ > malama na honu ===== }<))))))o> }<))))))o> }<))))))o> }<))))))o> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From F.Kelmo at plymouth.ac.uk Fri Nov 17 14:20:33 2000 From: F.Kelmo at plymouth.ac.uk (Francisco KELMO) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:20:33 GMT Subject: (Fwd) 2nd Int'l Conference on Marine Bioinvasions Message-ID: <200011201230.MAA21669@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Hi, Folks. Please spread the word about this upcoming conference on the biology and policy of marine biological invasions, in New Orleans this April. The abstract deadline is December 15th, and details are available at: http://massbay.mit.edu/exoticspecies/conf2/ Thanks! Dave ***************************************************************************** DAVID L. SECORD, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Biology & Environmental Science Coordinator (UWT) and Adjunct Assistant Professor of Zoology (UW Seattle) University of Washington, Tacoma TEL: 253-692-5659 Interdisciplinary Arts & Sciences FAX: 253-692-5718 1900 Commerce Street (MS 358436) TDD: 253-692-4413 Tacoma, WA 98402-3100 USA EMAIL: dave at u.washington.edu ***************************************************************************** F.Kelmo Coral Reef Ecology Benthic Ecology Research Group 613 Davy Building, University of Plymouth, Drake Circus, Devon, PL4 8AA United Kingdom. Phone: +44 (0)1752 232951 (Lab) +44 (0)870 710 5852/01752 233595 (home) Fax: +44 (0)1752 232970 E-mail: fkelmo at plymouth.ac.uk From sre at caribsurf.com Fri Nov 17 13:48:26 2000 From: sre at caribsurf.com (Seascape Research and Education) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:48:26 -0500 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: <200011201229.MAA95780@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Dear Peter, That is a very good point, and it is a problem that we in the Grenadines are now wrestling with, since we are still relatively young in our development of tourism. I am of the belief that it is not so much whether we will get the tourism dollar or not, but where that tourism dollar comes from. Sure, we could try to go mass tourism, and it is true that for the mass tourist passing through on a cruise ship or at an all inclusive resort (ie. the first time snorkeller or Resort Diver), the health of the reef really doesn't matter, because they have never seen any different. As a dive instructor I've taken students out to our "worst" reef for training, and watched their eyes light up with joy. However, how much money do these tourists really bring into the country, and how much of that money stays in the country. We must compare this type of market to that of the seasoned travellers. Those who know what a pristine environment (ie reef) is like and expect to spend their dollars visiting such a place. Those are the individuals who will return to a place if they like it year after year. They will stay for extended periods of time and spend significantly more money per person. Also, a larger part of their tourist dollar will be spent directly in the local community, rather than to a specific resort or all inclusive. They also tend to be more aware of the environment and of cultural concerns, which is a great plus to sustainability in both areas. I think to solve the problem of which way is better, we must not only consider the gross income, but also where the funds are going, and how sustainable the system is, physically (ie environmentally), economically and socially. I think you can guess which way I would prefer :-) (If anyone out there know any studies/papers which speak to this issue, I would appreciate receiving any references.) Kurt Kurt Cordice General Coordinator Seascape Research and Education At 08:12 PM 11/16/00 -0800, you wrote: > "From an economic standpoint, I'm not sure that a >live reef is worth much more than a dead one. Most >first time snorkelers...(the majority of the market)do >not know the difference. They see a few fish, they >lie in the sun. It's just another day at the beach." >-Journalist Joel Simon, author of "Endangered Mexico: >An Environment on the Edge" after visiting Cancun. > >Thats the problem with reef ecotourism economics--for >those whose sole motivation for protecting reefs is >tourism dollars, it doesn't really matter how healthy >the reef is as long as the dollars keep coming. >Solutions anyone? > >Peter Burnside > > >Dear Ursula--I sympathize with you but would point out >that in the >Florida >Keys, the water turned green and we still have those >who would deny >that there >is a problem. Sure the nutrients can't be traced to >the reef--its in >the green >water...and the algal blooms.....etc. . Regards, >DeeVon Quirolo, >Ex. >Director, Reef Relief > >Ursula Keuper-Bennett wrote: > Kurt Cordice General Coordinator Seascape Research and Education Mt. Pleasant Bequia, St. Vincent West Indies Phone: 784 458 3931 Email: sre at caribsurf.com Web: http://www.bequia.net From herman.cesar at ivm.vu.nl Sat Nov 18 07:56:16 2000 From: herman.cesar at ivm.vu.nl (Herman Cesar) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:56:16 +0100 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: <200011201252.MAA07728@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Reply to Peter and Ove on the economics of live versus dead reefs In my view, the Pacific could lose a lot in terms of a decline in coastal tourism from mass coral mortality. This is for three reasons. First, because the Pacific could not easily replace its diver niche market for another market segment due to its remoteness from the main rich population centres in the world. Secondly, because fish diversity could decline in the long run due to dead reefs. Thirdly, if dead reefs lead, through bio-erosion, to coastal erosion, sandy beaches might be washed away in the long run. There is more scientific evidence for the first issue. For the other two issues, it is too soon to tell. There are a coule of issues here. First, I think Peter is right that some dead reefs attract as many tourists as live reefs. We saw this in a recent study in the Maldives where we surveyed tourists post-bleaching and we showed them pictures of dead and live reefs and many thought that the photos with dead corals and lots of fish were live reefs. Also, tourism figures was not affected in any major way after 90% of the corals had died in the 1998 bleaching event (see Westmacott et al (2000)). Yet, in El Nido, the Philippines, we found a clear decline in dive tourism, after bleaching, a hurricane, destructive fishing and general overfishing had made the area less fascinating for divers. Yet, this loss in dive tourism was partly offset with an increase in Korean/Japanese honeymoon tourism to the area, showing that the tourism industry is rather flexible in some areas (see Cesar, 2000). Moreover, in areas in Eastern Africa, however, where tourism is already declining and tourist substitution possibilities are low, bleaching would have a more pronounced impact on the tourism industry (Westmacott et al., 2000). In the Pacific, where substitution possibilities are also more limited than in the Maldives, I believe that tourism could therefore lose a lot from mass coral mortality. This was the basis for our prediction in the latest Greenpeace report with socio-economic estimates in Hoegh-Goldberg et al. (2000) that tourism was likely to decrease significantly if bleaching were to become an annual phenomenon. With respect to long run fisheries and coastal erosion predictions, I am very interested to learn from others what the thoughts are. Data from both the Philippines and Kenya after bleaching suggest that underwater fish counts and fishery has not declined significantly due to the 1998 bleaching event yet. (for a summary, see Hoegh-Goldberg et al. 2000). Literature: Westmacott, S., H. Cesar, L. Pet-Soede & O. Lind?n (2000), "Coral Bleaching in the Indian Ocean: Socio-Economic Assessment of Effects", in H. Cesar (ed.) "Collected Essays on the Economics of Coral Reefs", CORDIO, Kalmar University, Kalmar, Sweden. Hoegh-Goldberg, O., H. Hoegh-Goldberg, D.K. Stout, H. Cesar and A. Timmermann (2000), "Pacific in Peril - Biological, Economic and Social Impacts of Climate Change on Pacific Coral Reefs", Greenpeace Australia/Pacific, Sidney. Cesar, H. (2000), "Economic Valuation of the Impacts of Coral Bleaching on Tourism in El Nido, the Philippines", report prepared for USAID, Cesar Environmental Economics Consulting, Amsterdam, the Netherlands. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From howzit at turtles.org Fri Nov 17 22:17:05 2000 From: howzit at turtles.org (Ursula Keuper-Bennett) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:17:05 -0500 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: <200011201234.MAA16147@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Hi Peter, You wrote: > "From an economic standpoint, I'm not sure that a >live reef is worth much more than a dead one. Most >first time snorkelers...(the majority of the market)do >not know the difference. They see a few fish, they >lie in the sun. It's just another day at the beach." >-Journalist Joel Simon, author of "Endangered Mexico: >An Environment on the Edge" after visiting Cancun. Agree completely. I saw this remarkable video about Kaneohe Bay when I attended an Oceanography course at the University of Hawaii back in the late 70's and it showed this snorkeller lifting up entire corals dead from silt and decay. The video also showed these bristle worms creeping over everything the camera was aimed at. And I swear as I watched that video I could smell the rot. That was my first introduction to Hawaii maybe not being the paradise I thought it was. Yet bad as those KBay conditions were, I know there'd be people happy to snorkel in that stuff because Kaneohe Bay at its worst is better than THEIR best back home. Guess it depends what you're used to. I had the very odd experience back in 1991 of playing host to a Maui News photographer who visited our dive site during that summer's Cladophora bloom. He hadn't dived in years and he was nervous. So we decided to keep him shallow. Lovely day for him. No current. Mill-pond calm. Blue sky and sunny. And under those benign conditions, all the algae slime stayed at the bottom behaving itself. Rest of the water column clear and best visibility we'd had all summer. Result? He said he LOVED the dive. "Beautiful".. It'd have looked something like this. If your only other diving experience has been a quarry in Nebraska...and that green looks almost pretty when the gold of late afternoon sun shines on it. Never mind that it chokes and smothers the coral. Add a couple fish and for a lot of people you got a tourist attraction. Time passes. You know there are 11-year old kids running around right now who don't know what West Maui USED to be like --before the blight. They don't even know what they lost. I think it's like on land. We don't see the trash and the litter all around us anymore. I teach in a middle school. Our yard's forever a mess no matter how often we clean. And the kids? Oh they'll mumble about caring about "pollution". But they just don't see the candy wrappers and papers all round --even when it's flapping 'round their legs. Human eyes and noses just get used to stuff. Even an entire coastline with ghastly white bleached corals covered with algae... "They see a few fish, they lie in the sun. It's just another day at the beach." Simon may have been writing about Cancun but it certainly applies to my experience in West Maui. A decade later, nothing's changed. And the tourist dollars still roll in. Like I said. I was completely wrong. So long's people can golf and catch rays? They'll return. You wrote: >Thats the problem with reef ecotourism economics--for >those whose sole motivation for protecting reefs is >tourism dollars, it doesn't really matter how healthy >the reef is as long as the dollars keep coming. >Solutions anyone? "Solutions anyone"... hnnnhh. I have one but no one'd like it. Best regards, Ursula ------------------------------------------------- ^ Ursula Keuper-Bennett 0 0 mailto: howzit at turtles.org /V^\ /^V\ /V Turtle Trax V\ http://www.turtles.org / \ "Truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap, and much more difficult to find..." \ / --Terry Pratchett / \ / \ (Sourcery) /__| V |__\ malama na honu From mcall at superaje.com Fri Nov 17 09:28:19 2000 From: mcall at superaje.com (Don McAllister) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:28:19 -0500 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: <200011201219.MAA21800@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Peter Burnside wrote: > "From an economic standpoint, I'm not sure that a > live reef is worth much more than a dead one. Most > first time snorkelers...(the majority of the market)do > not know the difference. They see a few fish, they > lie in the sun. It's just another day at the beach." > -Journalist Joel Simon, author of "Endangered Mexico: > An Environment on the Edge" after visiting Cancun. I think there is an inexperienced tourist audience for which that is true - those who don't have the experience with more pristine reefs. But still even the beginner will not be very happy with a reef overgrown with algae or with sediments that get stirred up by waves, currents or swim fins. So even the amateurs won't accept just any reef and be happy - after all they have seen photos and TV shows of healthy reefs. For the experienced person it is quite another matter. As long as they can afford to go to a healthy reef they will do so. Word of mouth and the various dive magazines soon get word out to the illuminati about formerly healthy reefs that are now "gone." Then there are the reef services. You can't hide the beach with plentiful coral sand from an unhealthy reef. Healthy reefs are needed to provide a continuous supply of nice white/pink sand. No sand renewal and the beach erodes or has a lot of sharp rubble painful to the feet. Or the local hotels etc. must spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on dredging or trucking sand in. Fresh fish must be brought from elsewhere if the reef is dying. And when the reef starts getting seriously eroded, the resorts will really get hammered by the next onshore hurricane. So I agree with you to a point. But in the long run sustainable tourism depends of sustaining the reef. Clinton's sign should have said, "It's the economy, stupid, that depends on the environment." And so should have Bush's. In the subsequent election, hopefully Ralph had such as sign, but I gather he only got 3% of the vote - this time around. don Don McAllister From gjgast at freeler.nl Fri Nov 17 17:35:42 2000 From: gjgast at freeler.nl (GJ Gast) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:35:42 +1:00 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: <200011201228.MAA94997@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> > "From an economic standpoint, I'm not sure that a > live reef is worth much more than a dead one. Most > first time snorkelers...(the majority of the market)do > not know the difference. They see a few fish, they > lie in the sun. It's just another day at the beach." > -Journalist Joel Simon, author of "Endangered Mexico: > An Environment on the Edge" after visiting Cancun. > > Thats the problem with reef ecotourism economics--for > those whose sole motivation for protecting reefs is > tourism dollars, it doesn't really matter how healthy > the reef is as long as the dollars keep coming. > Solutions anyone? > > Peter Burnside I was at Das Boot (The Boat) in Germany in January this year. Das Boot is an enormous sort of fair with everything on watersports. One large hall contains only stands of related to diving (gear producers, diving centres, travel agents, etc.) and it is completely packed with divers for 10 days. Many divers go especially to this place to decide where they will go for their next diving holiday. I hung around in the stand of the Netherlands Antilles for a few hours and listened to conversations. The one question that stood out above all was: has there been bleaching at those islands? Almost every diver in Germany and surrounding countries knows about bleaching and will choose his/her holiday destination accordingly (elsewhere). These people know what they want (good reefs) and they make sure they get it (no bleached reefs) when they spend their vacation money (with every year 14,000,000 million people going on a diving vacantion: a lot of dollars). Moreover, these people don't go once, they go at least once a year for decades. I am not an economist, but I would think these numbers do matter to countries with coral reefs. My 2 cents (unfortunately getting less every day in EURO-land), GJ. =============================================== Dr. Gert Jan Gast Oostelijke Handelskade 31 1019BL Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Phone int 31 (0)20 4198607 Please use as primary address for large attachments. My permanent email address is . Please remove from your address book. It can't be used web-based and will stop some time in the future. From ajnilsen at online.no Fri Nov 17 09:20:13 2000 From: ajnilsen at online.no (Alf Jacob Nilsen) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:20:13 +0100 Subject: Pukhet Marine Biol. Research Stn Message-ID: <200011201257.MAA21393@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Hi all.. Thanks to all of you that supplied e-mails and other info. about Pukhet!! cheers Alf J Sasi Nayar wrote: > Hi, > > >In connection with a travel to Pukhet, I am interesting in getting in > >touch with Pukhet Aquarium and Pukhet Marine Biol. Research > >centre...... Is the anyone of you that can help me with a contact via > >e-mail? > > You may try contacting them at: > 'pmbcnet at sun.phuket.ksc.co.th' > I really doubt whether the researchers there have individual ID's. This is a > common one! > > ******************* > Mr.Sasi Nayar > Reef Ecology Laboratory > Department of Biological Sciences > National University of Singapore > 10 Kent Ridge Crescent > SINGAPORE 119 260 > Tel : (+65) 778 7112 > URL : http ://www.dbs.nus.edu.sg/reef/web/websasi.html > -------------------- > Research Scholar > Tropical Marine Science Institute > 14 Kent Ridge Road > National University of Singapore > SINGAPORE 119 223 > > Tel : (+65) 774 9881 / 7749658 > Fax : (+65) 774 9654 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Join PLANKTONNET- Discussion list for plankton researchers. > For more information drop me a note at scip8370 at nus.edu.sg > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- Alf Jacob Nilsen N-4432 Hidrasund NORWAY Phone: +47 383 72256 Fax: +47 383 72351 e-mail: ajnilsen at online.no PRIVATE WEB: http://home.sol.no/~alfnil/index.htm BOOK WEB: http://www.mcra.com PHOTO AGENCY: http://www.aquariumworld.com/bioquaticshop ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov Fri Nov 17 09:00:08 2000 From: Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov (Alan E Strong) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:00:08 -0500 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: <200011201218.MAA22150@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> I have to take issue with the last comments in this "thread".... Peter is "correct" as long as there IS a structure...but once the dead reef gets reduced to rubble (possibly the next tropical storm) there will be very few fish that will continue to take refuge in the area = another "lost" tourist dollar. Next the beach will become dramatically altered because the reef no longer stands offshore to protect it from the ocean's swell... Regards, Al Strong Peter Burnside wrote: > "From an economic standpoint, I'm not sure that a > live reef is worth much more than a dead one. Most > first time snorkelers...(the majority of the market)do > not know the difference. They see a few fish, they > lie in the sun. It's just another day at the beach." > -Journalist Joel Simon, author of "Endangered Mexico: > An Environment on the Edge" after visiting Cancun. > > Thats the problem with reef ecotourism economics--for > those whose sole motivation for protecting reefs is > tourism dollars, it doesn't really matter how healthy > the reef is as long as the dollars keep coming. > Solutions anyone? > > Peter Burnside > > Dear Ursula--I sympathize with you but would point out > that in the > Florida > Keys, the water turned green and we still have those > who would deny > that there > is a problem. Sure the nutrients can't be traced to > the reef--its in > the green > water...and the algal blooms.....etc. . Regards, > DeeVon Quirolo, > Ex. > Director, Reef Relief > > Ursula Keuper-Bennett wrote: > > > Dear Coral Types, > > > > I've been following the debate about the demise of > coral reefs with > great > > interest. > > > > As recreational divers who have adopted a coral > reef, we care very > much > > about the health of "ours". This reef is also home > to a group of > Hawaiian > > green sea turtles we love and that makes our > interest even more > intense. > > > > Right now coral researchers can discuss/debate all > sorts of issues > that > > affect coral reefs --global warming, sedimentation, > pollution, > run-off, > > over-fishing, coral predation, El Nino, bleaching, > faunal/floral > changes, > > thermal events, coral mortality events, algae > blooms, this model and > that > > model --but ultimately there's a problem. > > > > And Tim Ecott spelled it out nicely. > > > > He wrote: > > > > >Given that it is reasonably easy, in layman's > terms, to convince the > > >'general public' that the sea is an essential > component of our > fragile > > >biosphere, then there seems only one useful end to > the debate about > coral > > >mortality - that the planet is in deep s@@ > > > > Drawing from our own experience diving in West Maui, > Hawaii, it is > VERY > > difficult to convince the "general public" that our > section of ocean > is in > > trouble, let alone get action. And we ARE in > trouble. > > > > We've had repeated algae blooms: > > > > 1991 > > > > and here from just this summer: > > > > > > > > On strong current days we have to pick algae slime > off our favourite > corals > > to make sure they don't smother: > > > > > > > > > The vast majority of the sea turtles we know have > tumours. > > > > > > > > Most corals to our northern perimeter are just green > lumps, with > seaweed > > growing on them, killed in the '89 bloom. > > > > But here's the REAL problem. > > > > No matter how many turtles sicken, > > > > > > > > > no matter how much seaweed-stink lines our beach > attracting white > flies, > > > > > > > > no matter who SLIMY the water is to swim in (that's > my husband and > his fins > > right side there, and yes, we dive in this stuff) > > > > > > > > the "general public" lounging on the beach or > enjoying a tour on a > > catamaran, will look around and see only BLUE OCEAN > --and be lulled > into > > thinking that nothing is wrong. > > > > That ocean BETRAYS us --it stays blue no matter WHAT > is happening > under the > > water. > > > > Even in 1991 when I was armpit deep in Cladophora > one day. > > > > <> > > > > And there were rafts of Hypnea on the surface. > > > > > > > > to anyone else looking seaward that day, guess what? > > > > That ocean was BLUE. It was business as usual. > > > > And back then I was silly enough to think that all > that blight would > harm > > tourism in our area --that people would not come > back because of the > slime > > and the stink. But I was wrong. Last summer > (almost ten years > later) > > tourists now PLAY with the seaweed, tossing it to > each other. They > lie on > > the lounge chairs --a bit away from the white flies > mind you --but > still > > catch rays among the weed and the flies. > > > > Tim Ecott wrote: > > > > >We journalists are certainly 'simplistic'. It is a > simple issue. The > reefs > > >are dying and most of the world doesn't know about > it - let alone > care. > > > > He's right. So long's the ocean's blue on top, > people really don't > care > > WHAT'S been swept under the "carpet"! > > > > And calling back Tim's comment from before: > > > > >Given that it is reasonably easy, in layman's > terms, to convince the > > >'general public' that the sea is an essential > component of our > fragile > > >biosphere, then there seems only one useful end to > the debate about > coral > > >mortality - that the planet is in deep s@@ > > > > I agree completely -- "the planet is in deep s@@." > > > > And I'm convinced the planet is in deep s@@ because > we humans can > adapt to > > anything --INCLUDING s@@. > > > > So long's that ocean's BLUE! > > > > Ursula Keuper-Bennett > > TURTLE TRAX > > > > P.S. This does not mean we've given up! > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > ^ Ursula Keuper-Bennett > > 0 0 mailto: > howzit at turtles.org > > /V^\ /^V\ > > /V Turtle Trax V\ > http://www.turtles.org > > / \ > > > > "A promise is a promise, Lt. Dan." > > > > \ / -- Forrest Gump > > / \ / \ > > /__| V |__\ > > malama na honu > > ===== > }<))))))o> }<))))))o> }<))))))o> }<))))))o> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ -- **** <>< ******* <>< ******* <>< ******* <>< ******* From mtoscano at nesdis.noaa.gov Fri Nov 17 15:56:34 2000 From: mtoscano at nesdis.noaa.gov (Marguerite A. Toscano, Ph.D.) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:56:34 -0500 Subject: Posters vs Talks at ICRS Message-ID: <200011201232.MAA12040@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Dear Coral Listers (another long message), I wrote this message in response to Steve Coles' inquiry regarding the effectiveness of posters and talks in both conveying and taking in new information at a meeting. He suggested that I share these views with all of you, particulary those that will be planning the 10th ICRS. Let me say first that I enjoyed the Bali meeting immensely and am very glad I attended. The ICRS is not nearly as big as other meetings I attend, where I have to make choices about which talks to miss. If the proceedings end up on CD-Rom, and everyone can contribute, there will be a record for those talks and posters we could not get to. I sincerely hope that the Coral Reef symposium will continue to allow all presenters the choice of an oral presentation. While I am not inflexible about doing a poster when needed, there are several reasons for my preference for talks: 1. An oral presentation is a superior showcase for a paper, especially for a youger scientist who really needs the feedback. A roomful of people listen to the talk, and that same roomful can potentially discuss points of the paper as a group. This could not happen in a poster session, with a few people wandering by, giving only cursory attention to your paper. In general, because I want my work to receive a great deal of attention, I only consider doing talks at meetings. Since Bali I have had correspondence on the two talks I presented there. This would not have happened if they had been posters. Regarding presentations I wished to view, I derived much more from those that were talks than from posters, because I was more engaged in the topic and not competing with other people for the author's attention at a poster booth. 2. The poster session at Bali was set up with two and sometimes three posters arranged vertically on one board (I realize this was an anomaly among most meetings). How could two groups of people share the same board and be able to utilize the display in their discussions? The official poster session evening was very crowded and hard to navigate. I was a co-author on 2 Bali posters, so I was in the thick of this. I tried to look at posters during the remainder of the week, but then the authors were not avaialble for conversation. Also, as I think we all agree, the poster area and the poster sizes allowed were much too small. If we are all going to be expected to do posters, more accomodation must be made so that we can actually show something and have the space to entertain visitors to our booths. 3. Posters are very expensive to produce properly, and very problematic at times to create and print. Granted, I spent a fortune on slides because we don't have a slidemaker here, but people have the option of bringing overheads, which are cheaper. Slides and overheads are also more portable, and separate pieces of the presentation can later be re-used in other talks. 4. There are many younger scientists who are excellent speakers doing fine research, and we deserve to be able to do talks and present our work in the most effective and efficient (numbers of people listening) way possible. All-poster meetings (where only the most prominent scientists do talks) reduce opportunities for young scientists to gain valuable speaking experience, or to attract the attention that might land them a job. If the ICRS is the premier meeting for coral reef research, it would be a shame to limit the involvement of young scientists to posters. I am not knocking posters for many appropriate topics or for presenters who don't feel comfortable doing a talk, but I would be reluctant to attend meetings where I had no choice. I will give you one example of a meeting where the poster session worked extremely well: the OCEANOBS 99 conference in France (1999). The posters were set up for 3 days and all of the breaks were catered in the poster hall. That meant that everyone went to the poster hall to enjoy fabulous French goodies in the morning, in the mid-afternoon, and after the plenaries (all excellent) were over for the day. Authors naturally hung out at their booths at all of those times, and people were always around to talk to. If ICRS is going this route, I would suggest the French model, especially with the enticements of high-class refreshments (or any refreshments, for that matter). It promoted congregation at the posters, made for a pleasant environment and more relaxed discussions with an international scientific community. I knew few people there, because I had not previously been a part of the remote sensing field, but I had one of the most satisfying experiences that I have ever had at a meeting, although Bali was very close. Respectfully yours, Maggie Toscano From Bprecht at pbsj.com Fri Nov 17 11:37:56 2000 From: Bprecht at pbsj.com (Precht, Bill) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:37:56 -0600 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: <200011201228.MAA56855@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> DeeVon: As we both know, the debate about "green" water in Florida continues... there are many that believe there is a direct link to anthropogenic nutrients and others that don't...this has been debated quite extensively in the scientific literature with no apparent end in site (see the recent thread in L&O). However, I thought I would share with you a note from my dive log of my first reef encounter in the Florida Keys circa 1974 (Spring Break Freshman Year). At that time I was told that the 'must see' reef was Looe Key. For me, these early notes put much of this argument in perspective. "Today I dove on Looe Key... The visibility was less than 20 feet and the water was pea soup green... big disappointment.... could hardly see the reef or the fish.... was very surrealistic... even a bit scary... conditions were so marginal we moved to Sombrero Reef for our second dive" I noted two days later that the conditions were very different... "Did two tanks on Looe Key... this place looks totally different than two days ago... great visibility.... the reef although very shallow (<25 feet depth) was extraordinary... huge coral heads, lots of staghorn and elkhorn coral... Dive master noted that the reason for the great visibility (in excess of 100 ft.) was a landward shift in the Florida Current i.e. Gulf Stream." A few years later I met Gene Shinn for the first time and discussed my observations... he directed me to a note he wrote with Bob Ginsburg that dated to 1964... he told me that these "inimical" green bank waters were common and in-part controlled the reef building community of Florida... I bring this up only as a point of reference that the green water problem isn't new or novel. In fact, there is mention of "black water" in the Lower Keys that killed large stands of coral ~ 100 years ago. see: Ginsburg, R.N. and Shinn, E.A. (1964) Distribution of the reef-building community in south Florida and the Bahamas. (abstract) Amer. Assoc. Petrol. Geol. Bull. 48:527 see also: Ginsburg, R.N. and Shinn, E.A. (1993) Preferential distribution of reefs in he Florida Reef Tract: the past is a key to the present. in Proc. Global Aspects of Coral Reefs - Health, Hazards and History, Univ. of Miami p.21-26. Cheers, Bill William F. Precht Ecological Sciences Program Manager PBS&J -----Original Message----- From: deevon [mailto:deevon at bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:01 PM To: Ursula Keuper-Bennett Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov Subject: Re: The Trouble with our Ocean Dear Ursula--I sympathize with you but would point out that in the Florida Keys, the water turned green and we still have those who would deny that there is a problem. Sure the nutrients can't be traced to the reef--its in the green water...and the algal blooms.....etc. . Regards, DeeVon Quirolo, Ex. Director, Reef Relief Ursula Keuper-Bennett wrote: Dear Coral Types, I've been following the debate about the demise of coral reefs with great interest. As recreational divers who have adopted a coral reef, we care very much about the health of "ours". This reef is also home to a group of Hawaiian green sea turtles we love and that makes our interest even more intense. Right now coral researchers can discuss/debate all sorts of issues that affect coral reefs --global warming, sedimentation, pollution, run-off, over-fishing, coral predation, El Nino, bleaching, faunal/floral changes, thermal events, coral mortality events, algae blooms, this model and that model --but ultimately there's a problem. And Tim Ecott spelled it out nicely. He wrote: >Given that it is reasonably easy, in layman's terms, to convince the >'general public' that the sea is an essential component of our fragile >biosphere, then there seems only one useful end to the debate about coral >mortality - that the planet is in deep shit. Drawing from our own experience diving in West Maui, Hawaii, it is VERY difficult to convince the "general public" that our section of ocean is in trouble, let alone get action. And we ARE in trouble. We've had repeated algae blooms: 1991 < http://www.turtles.org/head91.jpg > and here from just this summer: < http://www.turtles.org/cladophora000712am2.jpg > On strong current days we have to pick algae slime off our favourite corals to make sure they don't smother: < http://www.turtles.org/cladophoracoralpab000731am4.jpg > The vast majority of the sea turtles we know have tumours. < http://www.turtles.org/98-50in99.jpg > Most corals to our northern perimeter are just green lumps, with seaweed growing on them, killed in the '89 bloom. But here's the REAL problem. No matter how many turtles sicken, < http://www.turtles.org/ukbvideos2000108000711am.jpg > no matter how much seaweed-stink lines our beach attracting white flies, < http://www.turtles.org/98-50in99.jpg > no matter who SLIMY the water is to swim in (that's my husband and his fins right side there, and yes, we dive in this stuff) < http://www.turtles.org/pabcladophora000714am.jpg > the "general public" lounging on the beach or enjoying a tour on a catamaran, will look around and see only BLUE OCEAN --and be lulled into thinking that nothing is wrong. That ocean BETRAYS us --it stays blue no matter WHAT is happening under the water. Even in 1991 when I was armpit deep in Cladophora one day. << http://www.turtles.org/asp00900.jpg >> And there were rafts of Hypnea on the surface. < http://www.turtles.org/raft91.jpg > to anyone else looking seaward that day, guess what? That ocean was BLUE. It was business as usual. And back then I was silly enough to think that all that blight would harm tourism in our area --that people would not come back because of the slime and the stink. But I was wrong. Last summer (almost ten years later) tourists now PLAY with the seaweed, tossing it to each other. They lie on the lounge chairs --a bit away from the white flies mind you --but still catch rays among the weed and the flies. Tim Ecott wrote: >We journalists are certainly 'simplistic'. It is a simple issue. The reefs >are dying and most of the world doesn't know about it - let alone care. He's right. So long's the ocean's blue on top, people really don't care WHAT'S been swept under the "carpet"! And calling back Tim's comment from before: >Given that it is reasonably easy, in layman's terms, to convince the >'general public' that the sea is an essential component of our fragile >biosphere, then there seems only one useful end to the debate about coral >mortality - that the planet is in deep shit. I agree completely -- "the planet is in deep shit." And I'm convinced the planet is in deep shit because we humans can adapt to anything --INCLUDING shit. So long's that ocean's BLUE! Ursula Keuper-Bennett TURTLE TRAX P.S. This does not mean we've given up! < http://www.turtles.org/zeusinflight000803amresampld.jpg > ----------------------------------------- ^ Ursula Keuper-Bennett 0 0 mailto: howzit at turtles.org /V^\ /^V\ /V Turtle Trax V\ http://www.turtles.org / \ "A promise is a promise, Lt. Dan." \ / -- Forrest Gump / \ / \ /__| V |__\ malama na honu From gregorh at ucla.edu Sat Nov 18 16:00:42 2000 From: gregorh at ucla.edu (Gregor Hodgson) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:00:42 -0800 Subject: UPDATE ON THE VIOLENCE IN THE GALAPAGOS Message-ID: <200011201249.MAA10094@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> FYI: Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:33:03 -0800 From: Andrew Christie Reply-To: seashepherd To: seashepherd Subject: UPDATE ON THE VIOLENCE IN THE GALAPAGOS BULLETIN OF THE COMMITTEE OF EMPLOYEES OF THE CHARLES DARWIN RESEARCH STATION Puerto Ayora, 17th November 2000 In view of the serious events which are happening in our islands through the actions of a group of violent fishermen, the committee of employees of the Charles Darwin Research Station wishes to send this message to the community. In the first place we want to express our emphatic rejection of the acts of violence and vandalism which have taken place on the island of Isabela against the buildings of the Station and the National Park Service and the threats suffered by our employees at the hands of a group of fishermen. In support of our institution and its laudable goals of undertaking science and education for the conservation of the Galpagos Islands, at our committee meeting this afternoon we have decided to work voluntarily this weekend and whenever necessary in order to deal with this tense situation, which we are enduring as best as we are able. THE COMMITTEE __________________________________ CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS IN GALAPAGOS Charles Darwin Research Station 17 November, 2000 Mission Statement of the Charles Darwin Foundation for the Galapagos Isles: "To provide the knowledge and support to ensure the conservation of the environment and biodiversity of the archipelago of Galapagos, through scientific research and complementary actions." Since 1996 the Charles Darwin Research Station has carried out detailed monitoring of catches of the spiny lobster in Galapagos and has been a member of the Participatory Management Group (a group consisting of representatives from the fishery, tourism and conservation sectors) since its creation in 1997. For the 2000 fishing season, with minimal data, the Participatory Management Group agreed on a quota of 50 tons of lobster, on the basis that the catch has fluctuated around this level for many years without putting the resource in danger, although, on a number of occasions, it was considered that lobster was being overexploited. Moreover it was agreed that CPUE (catch-per-unit-effort, calculated as the daily amount of lobster taken by a fisherman) would be reassessed during the fishing season, to consider an increase in the quota. On that basis the fishery season was opened on September 1st, 2000, and closed when it reached the 50 ton quota on October 31st, 2000. Thus, whilst in the year 1999, 500 fishermen (including divers and crew) participated in the fishery and 54 tons of lobster were caught in 4 months, in the year 2000 the fishermen achieved a catch of 54 tons in only 2 months. However, in San Cristobal the fishery cooperative had allowed new fishermen and boats to participate this year - 939 (including 486 divers), nearly double the number of fishermen from last year. When the quota was reached well before the determined date, it was obvious that the large increase in the number of fishers enabled the quota to be reached in a much shorter time. The Participatory Management Group met again on Tuesday, November 7th. After analyzing the available data of the lobster fishery, they proposed an increase in the lobster quota. This was unacceptable to the fishery sector, which rejected any attempt at negotiation, their sole demand being to continue fishing until December 31st, regardless of the amount taken. Following these events, the situation in Galapagos became more volatile, with each of the three main inhabited islands experiencing different violent and confrontational incidents, as detailed below: Isabela: On November 13th, the offices of the National Park, of the Charles Darwin Research Station and of SICGAL on Isabela were occupied by demonstrators, as was the tortoise breeding centre, from which some baby tortoises were removed by the fishermen. In addition, the municipality buildings were occupied. Since then, the offices of the National Park and the Station have been vandalized and everything in them destroyed and the Station staff threatened. The Municipal Library was also destroyed. The head of the National Park offices on Isabela, along with two of the staff, were rescued by navy special forces and arrived in Santa Cruz in the early hours of November 17th; the others arrived in the afternoon the same day. The house of the Head of the Park has also been vandalized, his family's belongings have been taken, and his house totally wrecked. San Cristobal: Also on November 13th, the offices of the Charles Darwin Research Station in San Cristobal were closed following blockades on the part of fishermen, who also took over the installations of the Park as well as the offices of the Interpretation Centre. The Park and Station offices remain closed. On Tuesday the 14th groups of fishermen attempted to prevent tourists from landing at visitor sites on San Cristobal and Espanola. Due to action by the navy, they were not able to carry out their intentions, but during these confrontations, tear gas was used and two fishermen were wounded. Santa Cruz: On Monday the 13th due to the threat of possible action by the fishermen, the activities of the Charles Darwin Research Station were disrupted during the afternoon. The National Park and Charles Darwin Research Station offices were closed on the afternoon of November 14th, with a police guard deployed at the main entrance. Due to the threat of a march by fishermen in the afternoon, police blockaded the entrance with barbed wire. On Wednesday the 15th the fishermen prevented tourists and local people from using the municipal dock to embark or disembark from their boats, and fishermen in fast launches chased some tourist boats that left the harbour. The situation remained thus until Thursday, November 16th, when the offices were reopened following the Santa Cruz fishermen's acceptance of the increased quota and their removal of the blockade. A peaceful march, organised by the Park, to reject the vandalism carried out by fishermen on Isabela was planned for Friday morning, but was suspended due to threats and a lack of guarantees for the physical security of the participants. 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Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From N.Polunin at newcastle.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 09:26:59 2000 From: N.Polunin at newcastle.ac.uk (Nicholas Polunin) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:26:59 +0000 Subject: Pukhet In-Reply-To: <200011201257.MAA21393@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: <200011201426.eAKEQNu10255@cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk> Correct spelling is Phuket!! Dr Nicholas Polunin Reader Dept of Marine Sciences University of Newcastle Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 7RU Tel +44 (0)191 222 6675/6661 Fax +44 (0)191 222 7891 URL http://www.ncl.ac.uk/mscmweb/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov Mon Nov 20 12:11:15 2000 From: Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov (Alan E Strong) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:11:15 -0500 Subject: Posters vs Talks at ICRS References: <200011201232.MAA12040@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: <3A195B33.F7E34259@noaa.gov> I heartily endorse Dr. Toscano's response...the posters could and must be done better at the Okinawa ICRS. Maggie talks about the recent French OCEANOBS 99 Symposium....they handle posters much the same way at AGU's Ocean Sciences meeting with breaks/refreshments - coffee, etc. typically offered in the same area -- it works! Following her suggestions it would appear that one additional major change needs to be considered. No more than one oral paper per author (also an AGU guideline)...if any other papers are submitted they must be posters. This would mean that each author would have to decide which paper was the most important to present verbally, when it comes to feedback and getting the information out there. I know even this rule gets some abuse at AGU meetings, hopefully not intentionally, as even scientists get sick or travel gets rescheduled. Cheers, Al Strong "Marguerite A. Toscano, Ph.D." wrote: > Dear Coral Listers (another long message), > > I wrote this message in response to Steve Coles' inquiry regarding the > effectiveness of posters and talks in both conveying and taking in new > information at a meeting. He suggested that I share these views with all > of you, particulary those that will be planning the 10th ICRS. Let me say > first that I enjoyed the Bali meeting immensely and am very glad I > attended. The ICRS is not nearly as big as other meetings I attend, where > I have to make choices about which talks to miss. If the proceedings end > up on CD-Rom, and everyone can contribute, there will be a record for > those talks and posters we could not get to. > > I sincerely hope that the Coral Reef symposium will continue to allow all > presenters the choice of an oral presentation. While I am not inflexible > about doing a poster when needed, there are several reasons for my > preference for talks: > > 1. An oral presentation is a superior showcase for a paper, especially > for a youger scientist who really needs the feedback. A roomful of > people listen to the talk, and that same roomful can potentially discuss > points of the paper as a group. This could not happen in a poster > session, with a few people wandering by, giving only cursory attention > to your paper. > > In general, because I want my work to receive a great deal of attention, I > only consider doing talks at meetings. Since Bali I have had > correspondence on the two talks I presented there. This would not have > happened if they had been posters. Regarding presentations I wished to > view, I derived much more from those that were talks than from posters, > because I was more engaged in the topic and not competing with other > people for the author's attention at a poster booth. > > 2. The poster session at Bali was set up with two and sometimes three > posters arranged vertically on one board (I realize this was an anomaly > among most meetings). How could two groups of people share the same board > and be able to utilize the display in their discussions? The official > poster session evening was very crowded and hard to navigate. I was a > co-author on 2 Bali posters, so I was in the thick of this. I tried to > look at posters during the remainder of the week, but then the authors > were not avaialble for conversation. Also, as I think we all agree, the > poster area and the poster sizes allowed were much too small. If we are > all going to be expected to do posters, more accomodation must be made so > that we can actually show something and have the space to entertain > visitors to our booths. > > 3. Posters are very expensive to produce properly, and very problematic > at times to create and print. Granted, I spent a fortune on slides > because we don't have a slidemaker here, but people have the option of > bringing overheads, which are cheaper. Slides and overheads are also more > portable, and separate pieces of the presentation can later be re-used in > other talks. > > 4. There are many younger scientists who are excellent speakers doing > fine research, and we deserve to be able to do talks and present our work > in the most effective and efficient (numbers of people listening) way > possible. All-poster meetings (where only the most prominent scientists do > talks) reduce opportunities for young scientists to gain valuable speaking > experience, or to attract the attention that might land them a job. If > the ICRS is the premier meeting for coral reef research, it would be a > shame to limit the involvement of young scientists to posters. > > I am not knocking posters for many appropriate topics or for presenters > who don't feel comfortable doing a talk, but I would be reluctant to > attend meetings where I had no choice. > > I will give you one example of a meeting where the poster session worked > extremely well: the OCEANOBS 99 conference in France (1999). The posters > were set up for 3 days and all of the breaks were catered in the poster > hall. That meant that everyone went to the poster hall to enjoy fabulous > French goodies in the morning, in the mid-afternoon, and after the > plenaries (all excellent) were over for the day. Authors naturally hung > out at their booths at all of those times, and people were always around > to talk to. > > If ICRS is going this route, I would suggest the French model, especially > with the enticements of high-class refreshments (or any refreshments, for > that matter). It promoted congregation at the posters, made for a > pleasant environment and more relaxed discussions with an international > scientific community. I knew few people there, because I had not > previously been a part of the remote sensing field, but I had one of the > most satisfying experiences that I have ever had at a meeting, although > Bali was very close. > > Respectfully yours, > > Maggie Toscano -- **** <>< ******* <>< ******* <>< ******* <>< ******* Alan E. Strong Phys Scientist/Oceanographer NOAA/NESDIS/ORA/ORAD -- E/RA3 NOAA Science Center -- RM 711W 5200 Auth Road Camp Springs, MD 20746-4304 Alan.E.Strong at noaa.gov 301-763-8102 x170 FAX: 301-763-8108 http://orbit-net.nesdis.noaa.gov/orad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From szmanta at uncwil.edu Mon Nov 20 15:39:26 2000 From: szmanta at uncwil.edu (Alina M. Szmant) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:39:26 -0500 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean In-Reply-To: <200011201228.MAA56855@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20001120153926.01613eb4@pop.uncwil.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 11586 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001120/acaa7737/attachment.bin From thompaula_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 17:25:56 2000 From: thompaula_2000 at yahoo.com (Paula Morgan) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:25:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: The Reef Ranger Project in the Virgin Islands Message-ID: <20001120222556.9678.qmail@web4402.mail.yahoo.com> Good Day, everyone! I am asking for information/assistance for coral reef curriculum for K-6 students, and a similarly styled curriculum for 7-12 grades. I'm comparing a coral reef to the human body, and using large, colorful, banner-like flashcards that say things like "Blood is to humans what Ocean water is to the reef" or "Like the heart, Ocean tides pump fresh water over the vital parts of the coral reefs and other marine ecosystems." or "Like our human skeleton, corals grow on a limestone skeleton.." Others I've already compared are sponges/liver, polyp tentacles to fingers, a reef to a high-rise. I am asking for two things: 1) I need comparisons on other facets of the reef or human body and 2) I need a volunteer to check comparisons for authenticity on or before 12/1/2000. The Reef Rangers will be conveying this information in a puppet show called "Coral City, Planet Ocean." We hope to reach over 1000 island school children next summer and fall. Are there any of you out there working with students? We are longing to connect with any other students working to protect coral reefs. Thank you for your assistance and consideration. Paula Morgan, Director, The Reef Ranger Project -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001120/d2499a4e/attachment.html From fspsuva at is.com.fj Mon Nov 20 18:34:30 2000 From: fspsuva at is.com.fj (FSP Fiji - Suva Office) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:34:30 +1200 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: <01C053AF.BFFD3AC0.fspsuva@is.com.fj> > "From an economic standpoint, I'm not sure that a >live reef is worth much more than a dead one. A reality check from the Pacific Islands: The fact is that most reefs of the planet never experience tourism of any sort, nor do they have clouds of green water or mud covering them. What most reefs do experience is subsistence fishing pressure, and a fair number of reefs also experience commercial fishing by local people with boats and access to local markets. In my opinion, the greatest economic contribution of reefs to the planet is that reefs feed and provide for families... reefs keep societies alive. From this perspective, overfishing/destructive fishing by reef-dependent communities is a far greater immediate threat to the health of reefs than any other factor. If fishing communities are the primary threat to coral reefs, and as these communities own/control most (70%+?) of the reefs on this planet, shouldn't more effort be made to empower this group that hold the future of reefs in their hands? The emphasis on climate change, bleaching, and the like tend to steal the show. These issues may attract funding and interset the scientific community, but they are much less practical than focusing on empowering communities to manage their own resources. Could saving reefs be more of a exercise in cultural understanding and respect for the intellegence of rural fishing communities than a research driven one? >From where I live and work, it appears that a lack of global vision and educational prejudice on the part of the scientific community are as much a problem as any physical threat. Austin Bowden-Kerby Coral Gardens Initiative Foundation for the Peoples of the South Pacific ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From JSpurgeo at gibb.co.uk Tue Nov 21 09:14:21 2000 From: JSpurgeo at gibb.co.uk (Spurgeon,James) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:14:21 -0000 Subject: environmental valuation and tourist dollars Message-ID: <2245D2217A16D311B96400902728A668017F82CC@reading-4.wins.lawco.com> In response to some recent issues raised regarding the problem of "tourist dollar values", I'd like to make the following points: In an ideal world there would be no need for the contentious placing of money values on environmental resources like coral reefs. However, like it or not, we don't live in an ideal world. We live in a world with scarce resources where many decisions are taken daily by individuals, businesses and Governments all of which result in trade-offs. In the past, those decisions have generally been based on conventional market-based economic values. Consequently, economics has been used to justify developments and resource use without due consideration of the full environmental and social effects. As a result, many damaging and unsustainable decisions have been, and continue to be made. This is beginnning to change with the introduction of environmental economics, environmental valuation and concepts such as "Total Economic Value" (TEV). In comparison to economics and biology, environmental economics is still very much in its embryonic stages. Thus although environmental valuation techniques are far from perfect, they are continually improving. Despite this, no single decision-making tool can adequately resolve all environmental problems. Environmental valuation is thus a powerful tool that should be used alongside others (e.g. EIAs, regulations, protected areas etc). It is powerful because it can translate environmental impacts into monetary values, which, if correctly valued, speak far louder than qualitative descriptions. Decision-makers can readily relate to monetary values, but only if they believe them. Environmental valuations must therefore be carried out properly. Tourist values are only one component of TEV. At present, they are generally the most obvious reef value and seemingly the most important in terms of generating dollars. However, it is essential to think holistically about all relevant environmental and social values. As coral-listers have indicated, many other coral reef values exist. It is vital that we gain a far better understanding of these (direct, indirect and non-use values) and begin to develop effective mechanisms and sound arguments to capture these benefits. This is what the study on sustainable financing I presented in Bali is helping to address (to be submitted to the Bali proceedings). The aim is to hopefully apply the principles and methodology developed in the first phase of the study to three MPA sites next year. Tourist user fees are merely the tip of the iceburg. In further support of using environmental valuation, I am now successfully using it in EIAs to help justify expensive scheme modifications (e.g. for port, power plant & pipeline developments) mitigation and compensation measures, and comprehensive monitoring programmes needed to protect corals and other marine habitats. I am also involved in two national R&D studies for the UK Environment Agency to develop a better understanding of non-use/passive values (e.g. existence/bequest/option motives) relating to inland fish stocks and water levels in rivers. The studies involve extensive stakeholder analysis and large scale resource valuation surveys (using the contingent valuation method). The ultimate aim is to determine relatively robust non-use values for use in Government decion-making. Non-use values are a significant component of conservation value that are usually ignored. Our research demonstrates that strong non-use/passive values are held by both non-users and users of the resource. Such values can be estimated in monetary terms (to a degree) and there are plenty of ways of capturing the value (albeit sometimes potentially introducing problems of a different nature). One of the R&D studies is seeking to gain a better understanding of different categories of resource users. This will have ramifications for valuing tourist benefits and for undertaking economic impact assessments of coral reefs (e.g. with respect to pre-planned and incidental diving/snorkelling trips and apportioning tourism expenditures). Unfortunately, in the growing literature on the tourism value of corals, dubious and incorrect assumptions are often being made regarding links between coral reefs, tourism expenditures and tourism benefits. The point is, environmental economics has a potentially immense role to play in the future of coral reef conservation if used appropriately. A number of excellent examples of using environmental economics for coral reef conservation can now be found in: Cesar, H. (Ed.) (2000), "Collected Essays on the Economics of Coral Reefs", CORDIO, Kalmar University, Kalmar, Sweden. With respect to my pre-conference request to coral-listers for information to help with my sustainable financing study, I'd like to thank those that provided useful information and contacts. The response was not overwhelming, but included: * data on the coral trade in Fiji * reference to the sand supply function of corals * and reference to: www.aquariumcouncil.org http://www.reefsuk.org "A valuation book by Alan White and Trinidad on the Philippines" "Integrated Coastal Zone Management of Coral Reefs: Decision Support Modelling" - by Kent Gustavson, Richard M. Huber, and Jack Ruitenbeek, editors I hope this helps. James James Spurgeon Principal Environmental Economist/Scientist Gibb Ltd Gibb House London Rd Reading England RG6 1BL Tel: 0118 963 5000 Fax: 0118 926 3888 Email: jspurgeo at gibb.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail does not give rise to any binding legal obligation upon GIBB Ltd or any affiliate unless such company subsequently confirms the contents in writing, non-electronically. This e-mail may be confidential, legally privileged or otherwise protected in law. Unauthorised disclosure or copying of any or all of it may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail in error please contact the sender and delete the message. http://www.gibbltd.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rgrigg at iniki.soest.hawaii.edu Tue Nov 21 13:48:11 2000 From: rgrigg at iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Rick Grigg) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:48:11 -1000 Subject: environmental valuation and tourist dollars In-Reply-To: <2245D2217A16D311B96400902728A668017F82CC@reading-4.wins.la wco.com> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20001121084811.0071ce94@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu> Dear Dr. Bla Bla, Please be much more concise next time. A busy coral lister At 02:14 PM 11/21/00 -0000, Spurgeon,James wrote: >In response to some recent issues raised regarding the problem of "tourist >dollar values", I'd like to make the following points: > >In an ideal world there would be no need for the contentious placing of >money values on environmental resources like coral reefs. However, like it >or not, we don't live in an ideal world. We live in a world with scarce >resources where many decisions are taken daily by individuals, businesses >and Governments all of which result in trade-offs. In the past, those >decisions have generally been based on conventional market-based economic >values. Consequently, economics has been used to justify developments and >resource use without due consideration of the full environmental and social >effects. As a result, many damaging and unsustainable decisions have been, >and continue to be made. > >This is beginnning to change with the introduction of environmental >economics, environmental valuation and concepts such as "Total Economic >Value" (TEV). In comparison to economics and biology, environmental >economics is still very much in its embryonic stages. Thus although >environmental valuation techniques are far from perfect, they are >continually improving. Despite this, no single decision-making tool can >adequately resolve all environmental problems. Environmental valuation is >thus a powerful tool that should be used alongside others (e.g. EIAs, >regulations, protected areas etc). It is powerful because it can translate >environmental impacts into monetary values, which, if correctly valued, >speak far louder than qualitative descriptions. Decision-makers can readily >relate to monetary values, but only if they believe them. Environmental >valuations must therefore be carried out properly. > >Tourist values are only one component of TEV. At present, they are >generally the most obvious reef value and seemingly the most important in >terms of generating dollars. However, it is essential to think holistically >about all relevant environmental and social values. As coral-listers have >indicated, many other coral reef values exist. It is vital that we gain a >far better understanding of these (direct, indirect and non-use values) and >begin to develop effective mechanisms and sound arguments to capture these >benefits. This is what the study on sustainable financing I presented in >Bali is helping to address (to be submitted to the Bali proceedings). The >aim is to hopefully apply the principles and methodology developed in the >first phase of the study to three MPA sites next year. Tourist user fees >are merely the tip of the iceburg. > >In further support of using environmental valuation, I am now successfully >using it in EIAs to help justify expensive scheme modifications (e.g. for >port, power plant & pipeline developments) mitigation and compensation >measures, and comprehensive monitoring programmes needed to protect corals >and other marine habitats. > >I am also involved in two national R&D studies for the UK Environment Agency >to develop a better understanding of non-use/passive values (e.g. >existence/bequest/option motives) relating to inland fish stocks and water >levels in rivers. The studies involve extensive stakeholder analysis and >large scale resource valuation surveys (using the contingent valuation >method). The ultimate aim is to determine relatively robust non-use values >for use in Government decion-making. Non-use values are a significant >component of conservation value that are usually ignored. Our research >demonstrates that strong non-use/passive values are held by both non-users >and users of the resource. Such values can be estimated in monetary terms >(to a degree) and there are plenty of ways of capturing the value (albeit >sometimes potentially introducing problems of a different nature). > >One of the R&D studies is seeking to gain a better understanding of >different categories of resource users. This will have ramifications for >valuing tourist benefits and for undertaking economic impact assessments of >coral reefs (e.g. with respect to pre-planned and incidental >diving/snorkelling trips and apportioning tourism expenditures). >Unfortunately, in the growing literature on the tourism value of corals, >dubious and incorrect assumptions are often being made regarding links >between coral reefs, tourism expenditures and tourism benefits. > >The point is, environmental economics has a potentially immense role to play >in the future of coral reef conservation if used appropriately. A number of >excellent examples of using environmental economics for coral reef >conservation can now be found in: > >Cesar, H. (Ed.) (2000), "Collected Essays on the Economics of Coral Reefs", >CORDIO, Kalmar University, Kalmar, Sweden. > >With respect to my pre-conference request to coral-listers for information >to help with my sustainable financing study, I'd like to thank those that >provided useful information and contacts. The response was not >overwhelming, but included: > >* data on the coral trade in Fiji >* reference to the sand supply function of corals >* and reference to: > >www.aquariumcouncil.org > >http://www.reefsuk.org > >"A valuation book by Alan White and Trinidad on the Philippines" > >"Integrated Coastal Zone Management of Coral Reefs: Decision Support >Modelling" - by Kent Gustavson, Richard M. Huber, and Jack Ruitenbeek, >editors > >I hope this helps. >James > >James Spurgeon >Principal Environmental Economist/Scientist >Gibb Ltd >Gibb House >London Rd >Reading >England >RG6 1BL > >Tel: 0118 963 5000 >Fax: 0118 926 3888 >Email: jspurgeo at gibb.co.uk > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- >This e-mail does not give rise to any binding legal obligation upon >GIBB Ltd or any affiliate unless such company subsequently confirms >the contents in writing, non-electronically. This e-mail may >be confidential, legally privileged or otherwise protected in law. >Unauthorised disclosure or copying of any or all of it may be >unlawful. If you receive this e-mail in error please contact the >sender and delete the message. http://www.gibbltd.com >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) >sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program >(CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site >for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From FlorosC at nu.ac.za Wed Nov 22 02:44:00 2000 From: FlorosC at nu.ac.za (Camilla Floros) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:44:00 +0200 Subject: Sept/Oct cheque Message-ID: Dear Coral Last week I deposited the outstanding cheque of R1630 for my Sept/Oct field trip. My apologies for it being so late. I have faxed through the deposit slip. Please confirm whether you have recieved it or not. The cheque for Nov. should be on its way. keep well Camilla PS. In a moment of total vagueness, I left my sampling transect (rusty frame with coloured string), which I believe Leslie has located for me. I will be up on the 10 Dec, so if you could hand on to it until then, I would be very grateful. Camilla Floros School of Botany and Zoology University of Natal, Pietermaritzburg Email: FlorosC@ nu.ac.za. Suite 222 Private Bag x6 Cascades 3202 083 639 0940 033 2605104 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From JSpurgeo at gibb.co.uk Wed Nov 22 06:38:23 2000 From: JSpurgeo at gibb.co.uk (Spurgeon,James) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:38:23 -0000 Subject: lengthy coral-list text and environmental valuation Message-ID: <2245D2217A16D311B96400902728A668017F82D0@reading-4.wins.lawco.com> Coral listers Apologies for the recent lengthy text. I agree that coral-list messages should generally be brief and to the point. However, the coral-list is also a valuable means of disseminating up-to-date informative messages on important and complex coral issues when written clearly and concisely. I've certainly learnt much from some lengthy contributions. Some "busy" people may benefit from mastering the art of prioritising what information/actions are important to them and rapidly filtering out/rejecting the rest. In response to Don MacAllister: Firstly, life would be so miserable without a realistic sense of optimism. Secondly, I cannot off-hand think of any "environmental economic valuations" that have stopped a development from going ahead, but I would imagine some have. I know many EIAs have. In my experience, environmental valuation studies (even good benefit transfers) in conjunction with EIAs, can and have pursuaded governments and project sponsors to insist that developers undertake costly scheme mitigation measures. On projects I have been involved in, I have helped to justify, or am in the process of justifying: locating developments at more expensive but more environmentally friendly sites; adopting more expensive technology to reduce pollutant emissions; undertaking cost-effective coral transplantations; and conducting comprehensive but well targeted monitoring programmes etc. Finally, can I suggest that your valuable Phillipines paper may have fallen on deaf ears because the decision-makers could not sufficiently relate to it in terms of what was in it for them? I don't necessarily mean their direct benefits, rather their potential indirect benefits. However, yours and other quality papers on the economic value of corals are definitely beginning to have a major and beneficial shift in the mindset of some influential decision-makers. More such studies and papers are needed - persistance pays off. James James Spurgeon Principal Environmental Economist/Scientist Gibb Ltd Gibb House London Rd Reading England RG6 1BL Tel: 0118 963 5000 Fax: 0118 926 3888 Email: jspurgeo at gibb.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: Don McAllister [SMTP:mcall at superaje.com] > Sent: 21 November 2000 19:17 > To: Spurgeon,James > Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov > Subject: Re: environmental valuation and tourist dollars > > > > "Spurgeon,James" wrote: > > > In response to some recent issues raised regarding the problem of > "tourist > > dollar values", I'd like to make the following points: > > > > In an ideal world there would be no need for the contentious placing of > > money values on environmental resources like coral reefs. .... > > It is good to encounter a note of optimism amidst the gloom encircling the > fate > of coral reefs. > > I have read several economic evaluations of coral reefs and have written a > couple myself. I do have one question though, how many cases do you know > of > where the economic evaluation of coral reefs where the study has reversed > development. Our environmental, environmental and social evaluation of > Shiraho > coral reef for the Species Survival Commission of the IUCN back in 1988 > was > followed by cancellation of the planned jumbo jet airport, and possibly > that was > connected to our EIA. But how many others are there? My environmental, > economic and social evaluation of the costs of degraded and lost reefs in > the > Philippines seems, though quoted by the cognizanti, to have been ignored > by > decision makers. > > don > Don McAllister > Ocean Voice International > www.ovi.ca > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) > sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program > (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site > for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail does not give rise to any binding legal obligation upon GIBB Ltd or any affiliate unless such company subsequently confirms the contents in writing, non-electronically. This e-mail may be confidential, legally privileged or otherwise protected in law. Unauthorised disclosure or copying of any or all of it may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail in error please contact the sender and delete the message. http://www.gibbltd.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mcall at superaje.com Tue Nov 21 14:17:16 2000 From: mcall at superaje.com (Don McAllister) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:17:16 -0500 Subject: environmental valuation and tourist dollars References: <2245D2217A16D311B96400902728A668017F82CC@reading-4.wins.lawco.com> Message-ID: <3A1ACA3C.20F363C1@superaje.com> "Spurgeon,James" wrote: > In response to some recent issues raised regarding the problem of "tourist > dollar values", I'd like to make the following points: > > In an ideal world there would be no need for the contentious placing of > money values on environmental resources like coral reefs. .... It is good to encounter a note of optimism amidst the gloom encircling the fate of coral reefs. I have read several economic evaluations of coral reefs and have written a couple myself. I do have one question though, how many cases do you know of where the economic evaluation of coral reefs where the study has reversed development. Our environmental, environmental and social evaluation of Shiraho coral reef for the Species Survival Commission of the IUCN back in 1988 was followed by cancellation of the planned jumbo jet airport, and possibly that was connected to our EIA. But how many others are there? My environmental, economic and social evaluation of the costs of degraded and lost reefs in the Philippines seems, though quoted by the cognizanti, to have been ignored by decision makers. don Don McAllister Ocean Voice International www.ovi.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Milen.Dyoulgerov at noaa.gov Tue Nov 21 13:35:58 2000 From: Milen.Dyoulgerov at noaa.gov (Milen Dyoulgerov) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:35:58 -0400 Subject: environmental valuation and tourist dollars References: <3.0.1.32.20001121084811.0071ce94@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: <3A1ABDF2.EC7CB695@noaa.gov> Dear Rick, Everyone is busy nowadays and I do not find this a sufficient excuse for abusing the coral list. I believe, it was clarified more than a year ago that the list should NOT be used for such exchanges. And, by the way, I personally found Dr. Spurgeon's entry rather informative. With best wishes for the holidays, Milen Dyoulgerov Rick Grigg wrote: > > Dear Dr. Bla Bla, > > Please be much more concise next time. > > A busy coral lister > > At 02:14 PM 11/21/00 -0000, Spurgeon,James wrote: > >In response to some recent issues raised regarding the problem of "tourist > >dollar values", I'd like to make the following points: > > > >In an ideal world there would be no need for the contentious placing of > >money values on environmental resources like coral reefs. However, like it > >or not, we don't live in an ideal world. We live in a world with scarce > >resources where many decisions are taken daily by individuals, businesses > >and Governments all of which result in trade-offs. In the past, those > >decisions have generally been based on conventional market-based economic > >values. Consequently, economics has been used to justify developments and > >resource use without due consideration of the full environmental and social > >effects. As a result, many damaging and unsustainable decisions have been, > >and continue to be made. > > > >This is beginnning to change with the introduction of environmental > >economics, environmental valuation and concepts such as "Total Economic > >Value" (TEV). In comparison to economics and biology, environmental > >economics is still very much in its embryonic stages. Thus although > >environmental valuation techniques are far from perfect, they are > >continually improving. Despite this, no single decision-making tool can > >adequately resolve all environmental problems. Environmental valuation is > >thus a powerful tool that should be used alongside others (e.g. EIAs, > >regulations, protected areas etc). It is powerful because it can translate > >environmental impacts into monetary values, which, if correctly valued, > >speak far louder than qualitative descriptions. Decision-makers can readily > >relate to monetary values, but only if they believe them. Environmental > >valuations must therefore be carried out properly. > > > >Tourist values are only one component of TEV. At present, they are > >generally the most obvious reef value and seemingly the most important in > >terms of generating dollars. However, it is essential to think holistically > >about all relevant environmental and social values. As coral-listers have > >indicated, many other coral reef values exist. It is vital that we gain a > >far better understanding of these (direct, indirect and non-use values) and > >begin to develop effective mechanisms and sound arguments to capture these > >benefits. This is what the study on sustainable financing I presented in > >Bali is helping to address (to be submitted to the Bali proceedings). The > >aim is to hopefully apply the principles and methodology developed in the > >first phase of the study to three MPA sites next year. Tourist user fees > >are merely the tip of the iceburg. > > > >In further support of using environmental valuation, I am now successfully > >using it in EIAs to help justify expensive scheme modifications (e.g. for > >port, power plant & pipeline developments) mitigation and compensation > >measures, and comprehensive monitoring programmes needed to protect corals > >and other marine habitats. > > > >I am also involved in two national R&D studies for the UK Environment Agency > >to develop a better understanding of non-use/passive values (e.g. > >existence/bequest/option motives) relating to inland fish stocks and water > >levels in rivers. The studies involve extensive stakeholder analysis and > >large scale resource valuation surveys (using the contingent valuation > >method). The ultimate aim is to determine relatively robust non-use values > >for use in Government decion-making. Non-use values are a significant > >component of conservation value that are usually ignored. Our research > >demonstrates that strong non-use/passive values are held by both non-users > >and users of the resource. Such values can be estimated in monetary terms > >(to a degree) and there are plenty of ways of capturing the value (albeit > >sometimes potentially introducing problems of a different nature). > > > >One of the R&D studies is seeking to gain a better understanding of > >different categories of resource users. This will have ramifications for > >valuing tourist benefits and for undertaking economic impact assessments of > >coral reefs (e.g. with respect to pre-planned and incidental > >diving/snorkelling trips and apportioning tourism expenditures). > >Unfortunately, in the growing literature on the tourism value of corals, > >dubious and incorrect assumptions are often being made regarding links > >between coral reefs, tourism expenditures and tourism benefits. > > > >The point is, environmental economics has a potentially immense role to play > >in the future of coral reef conservation if used appropriately. A number of > >excellent examples of using environmental economics for coral reef > >conservation can now be found in: > > > >Cesar, H. (Ed.) (2000), "Collected Essays on the Economics of Coral Reefs", > >CORDIO, Kalmar University, Kalmar, Sweden. > > > >With respect to my pre-conference request to coral-listers for information > >to help with my sustainable financing study, I'd like to thank those that > >provided useful information and contacts. The response was not > >overwhelming, but included: > > > >* data on the coral trade in Fiji > >* reference to the sand supply function of corals > >* and reference to: > > > >www.aquariumcouncil.org > > > >http://www.reefsuk.org > > > >"A valuation book by Alan White and Trinidad on the Philippines" > > > >"Integrated Coastal Zone Management of Coral Reefs: Decision Support > >Modelling" - by Kent Gustavson, Richard M. Huber, and Jack Ruitenbeek, > >editors > > > >I hope this helps. > >James > > > >James Spurgeon > >Principal Environmental Economist/Scientist > >Gibb Ltd > >Gibb House > >London Rd > >Reading > >England > >RG6 1BL > > > >Tel: 0118 963 5000 > >Fax: 0118 926 3888 > >Email: jspurgeo at gibb.co.uk > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This e-mail does not give rise to any binding legal obligation upon > >GIBB Ltd or any affiliate unless such company subsequently confirms > >the contents in writing, non-electronically. This e-mail may > >be confidential, legally privileged or otherwise protected in law. > >Unauthorised disclosure or copying of any or all of it may be > >unlawful. If you receive this e-mail in error please contact the > >sender and delete the message. http://www.gibbltd.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) > >sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program > >(CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site > >for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) > sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program > (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site > for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From b.fitzpatrick at aims.gov.au Thu Nov 23 01:38:17 2000 From: b.fitzpatrick at aims.gov.au (Ben Fitzpatrick) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:38:17 +1000 Subject: AIMS monitoring news Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001123163817.008f4de0@email.aims.gov.au> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2478 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001123/0d4e5ade/attachment.bin From FlorosC at nu.ac.za Thu Nov 23 02:26:11 2000 From: FlorosC at nu.ac.za (Camilla Floros) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:26:11 +0200 Subject: Blunder Message-ID: Dear List My sincerest apologies for accidentally sending my personal mail to the coral mailing list. I am glad I decided not to attach the photos. Cheers Camilla Floros School of Botany and Zoology University of Natal, Pietermaritzburg Email: FlorosC@ nu.ac.za. Suite 222 Private Bag x6 Cascades 3202 083 639 0940 033 2605104 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From d.fenner at aims.gov.au Fri Nov 24 13:50:18 2000 From: d.fenner at aims.gov.au (Doug Fenner) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:50:18 Subject: economic evaluations Message-ID: <200011241506.PAA95874@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> I believe that Gregor Hodgson's economic evaluations of the effects of logging in northern Palawan, Philippines, convinced the provicial government to cancel a logging contract. The one example of an economic evaluation stopping a development project I know of. The logging company was certainly not pleased. For references, check with Gregor. (and kudos to Gregor!) -Doug Fenner Douglas Fenner, Ph.D. Coral Biodiversity/Taxonomist Australian Institute of Marine Science PMB No 3 Townsville MC Queensland 4810 Australia phone 07 4753 4334 e-mail: d.fenner at aims.gov.au web: http://www.aims.gov.au ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From prtaylor at nsf.gov Fri Nov 24 12:16:28 2000 From: prtaylor at nsf.gov (Taylor, Phillip R) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:16:28 -0500 Subject: U.S. National Science Foundation - Coral Reef Awards Message-ID: The National Science Foundation is presently supporting research and education projects involving coral reef and related ecosystems. Currently active are projects (as of 11/2000) totaling approximately $25 million that have been initiated since the start of the International Coral Reef Initiative. Approximately $18 million of research and education support has been committed since the initiation of the Coral Reef Task Force activities. A list of the active awards is included below, alphabetized by Principle Investigator. This list is expected to grow soon with new awards initiating in FY 2001. The list of awards shows a diversity of projects from large, multi-million dollar inter-disciplinary research programs (e.g., as part of NSF's Biocomplexity intitiative and the Long-Term Ecological Research Program), to individual investigator awards. It includes Small Grants for Exploratory Research (SGERs) as part of NSF's extra efforts to fund risky and time-sensitive projects in an efficient manner. The list includes awards to improve our national capabilities in taxnomic understanding important to coral reef systems via PEET - Partnerships for Enhancing Expertise in Taxonomy. The list includes awards to major research institutions, primarily undergraduate institutions, and historically minority institutions. It includes awards to young scientists in the CAREER (Faculty Early Career Development) program and a Presidential Early Career Award for Scientists and Engineers (PECASE), as well as awards to EPSCOR states in the Experimental Program to Stimulate Competitive Research. The list includes awards from NSF's International Programs; these and many of the other projects involve active international collaboration. Finally the science themes span biological, chemical, physical and geological processes: from understanding the nature of coral symbioses and factors responsible for coral bleaching, to the use of coral in understanding global temperature patterns historically; from understanding the dynamics of important marine resources housed in reefs and their associated ecosystems, to issues relevant to the preservation and conservation of coral reef systems worldwide. The NSF webpage (www.nsf.gov) can be used to get information on any of these awards. The list below shows the Principle Investigator of each award only, not collaborating co-investigators. Apologies if relevant awards have been inadvertently missed David Ackerly, Stanford University US-Venezuela Dissertation: Eco-Physiology and Demography of Mangroves as They Relate to Light and Salinity Richard Aronson, Dauphin Island Marine Laboratory SGER-Small Grant for Exploratory Research: Local Extinction of Acropora Cervicornis, the Primary Framework Builder of Lagoonal Reefs in Belize Richard Aronson, Dauphin Island Marine Laboratory Disturbance and the Reorganization of Caribbean Reef Communities: Unique Event or Repeated Pattern? J. Warren Beck, University of Arizona Combined 230Th and 231Pa Dating: Establishing the Absolute Timing of late Quaternary Climate Changes and Calibrating the 14 C Timescale. Collaborative Research. Ann Budd, University of Iowa Evolution of a Species Complex During Faunal Turnover: Morphometric Analyses of the Montastraea Annularis Reef Coral Complex Mark Butler, Old Dominion University Marine Reserves and Spiny Lobster: Effects on Male Size and Reproductive Success Stephen Cairns, Smithsonian Institution PEET - Partnerships for Enhancing Expertise in Taxonomy: Collaborative Research: Monographic Studies of the Hydractinioidea Roy Caldwell, University of California, Berkeley Dissertation Enhancement: Environmental Factors Influencing Recovery of Coral Reefs Damaged by Destructive Fishing Practices in Indonesia Mark A. Cane, Columbia University Shallow Circulation in the Tropical Pacific: A Geochemical and Modeling Study. Collaborative Research. Mark Carr, University of California, Santa Cruz Local Population Dynamics of Temperate and Tropical Reef Fishes at Multiple Scales. Collaborative Research. Peter Chesson, University of California, Davis Theory for the Dynamics of Coral Reef Fishes with Applications to Hypothesis Testing Daniel Childers, Florida International University LTER - Long-Term Ecological Research: COERCE-Coastal Oligotrophic Ecosystems Research, the Everglades. Regional Controls of Population and Ecosystem Dynamics in an Oligotrophic Wetland-dominated Coastal Landscape Kenneth Clifton, Lewis and Clark College The Role of Reproduction in the Ecology and Life History of Tropical Green Algae Mary Alice Coffroth, State University of New York, Buffalo Ontogeny and Dynamics of Cnidarian-Algal Symbioses Julia Cole, University of Arizona CAREER - Faculty Early Career Development Award: Decadal Variability in the Tropical Pacific and Indian Oceans - An Interdisciplinary Pathway for Global Change Education and Research Joseph Connell, University of California, Santa Barbara Population and Community Dynamics of Corals: A Long-Term Study Howard Cornell, University of Delaware U.S.-Australia Cooperative Research: Regional and Local Influences on Species Richness in Coral Communities Across a Pacific Diversity Gradient Clifford Cunningham, Duke University PEET - Partnerships for Enhancing Expertise in Taxonomy: Collaborative Research: Monographic Studies of the Hydractinioidea Robert DeSalle, American Museum of Natural History BIOCOMPLEXITY--Incubation Activity: Development of an Integrated Research Plan for Analyzing the Viability of a Marine Reserve Network Richard Dodge, Nova Southeastern University Inter-Annual to Century-Scale Climate Records from the Atlantic: Coral Based Reconstructions. Collaborative Research. R. Lawrence Edwards, University of Minnesota-Twin Cities Paleoseismology and Paleogeodesy of the Sumatran Subduction Zone. Collaborative Research. R. Lawrence Edwards, University of Minnesota-Twin Cities Combined 230Th and 231Pa Dating: Establishing the Absolute Timing of late Quaternary Climate Changes and Calibrating the 14 C Timescale. Collaborative Research. David Eggleston, North Carolina State University Impact of Larval Transport and Benthic Habitat Quality upon Recruitment Dynamics: Poor Nursery Habitat Decouples Larval Supply from Reproductive Output of Caribbean Spiny Lobster. Collaborative Research. Richard Fairbanks, Columbia University Deglacial Temperature Record from the Central Tropical Pacific Daphne Fautin, University of Kansas NOPP - National Ocean Partnership Program: Biogeoinformatics of Hexacorallia (Corals, Sea Anemones, and Their Allies): Interfacing Geospatial, Taxonomic, and Environmental Data for a Group of Marine Invertebrates Daphne Fautin, University of Kansas PEET - Partnerships for Enhancing Expertise in Taxonomy: Inventory, Systematics, and Phylogeny of Sea Anemones: Training of Modern Systematists and Taxonomists Daphne Fautin, University of Kansas PEET - Partnerships for Enhancing Expertise in Taxonomy: Sea Anemone Systematics: Consolidation and Synthesis of Information Ilka Feller, Smithsonian Institution BIOCOMPLEXITY: Microbial and Nutrient Controls in Mangrove Ecosystems. Collaborative Research. William Fitt, University of Georgia Physiological and Molecular Dissection of the Differential Sensitivity of Coral Symbionts to Thermally-Induced Bleaching: Mechanisms of Photodamage and Photoprotection Graham Forrester, University of California, Los Angeles and University of Rhode Island Local Population Dynamics of Temperate and Tropical Reef Fishes at Multiple Scales. Collaborative Research. Marc Frischer, Skidaway Institute of Oceanography BIOCOMPLEXITY: Microbial and Nutrient Controls in Mangrove Ecosystems. Collaborative Research. Jed Fuhrman, University of Southern California Survey of Marine Prokaryotes Michael Gaines, University of Miami Research Experiences in Ecology for Urban Students and Their Teachers Stephen Getty, Colorado College U-Pb Geochronology in Marine Carbonates: A New Approach for Age Dating in Paleoclimate Reconstruction Ronald Gibbs, University of Delaware U.S.-Belize Cooperative Research: Muds and Pollution in Belize Rivers Peter Glynn, University of Miami El Nino-Southern Oscillation 1982-83 and 1997-98 Impacted Coral Reefs in the Equatorial Eastern Pacific Region: Effects, Recovery and Inter-ENSO Comparison Peter Glynn, University of Miami El Nino Impacted Coral Reefs in the Tropical Eastern Pacific: Secondary Disturbances, Recovery and Effects on Community Diversity and Reef Growth Michael Hadfield, University of Hawaii Can Larvae Utilize Dissolved Settlement Cues in the Wave-Driven Flow on Coral Reefs? Collaborative Research. Catherine Harvell, Cornell University Disease Resistance in Sea Fan Corals and the Host Range of the Fungal Pathogen N. Hemming, Columbia University Light Intensity, Nutrient, and pCO2 Controls on Boron Isotope Fractionation in Laboratory Cultured Corals Mark Hixon, Oregon State University SGER-Small Grant for Exploratory Research: Between-Reef Movements of Predators and Density-Dependent Mortality in Reef Fish Mark Hixon, Oregon State University Local Population Dynamics of Temperate and Tropical Reef Fishes at Multiple Scales. Collaborative Research. Vance Holliday, University of Wisconsin, Madison Doctoral Dissertation Research: Climate and Sea Level Control of Holocene Environments in South Florida Elizabeth Irlandi, Florida Institute of Oceanography REU - Research Experiences for Undergraduates: Science and Management of Coastal Resources Myrna Jacobson, University of Southern California BIOCOMPLEXITY: Microbial and Nutrient Controls in Mangrove Ecosystems. Collaborative Research. Jeremy Jackson, Scripps Institution of Oceanography Contradictory Trends in the History of Cenzoic Corals and Coral Reefs: Oceanographic Change and Biotic Response Claudia Johnson, Indiana University, Bloomington POWRE - Professional Opportunities for Women in Research and Education: Comparative role of scleractinian corals and ancient rudist bivalves in Cretaceous reefs: Implication for changes in reef composition in a future greenhouse world Samantha Joye, University of Georgia BIOCOMPLEXITY: Microbial and Nutrient Controls in Mangrove Ecosystems. Collaborative Research. William Kirby-Smith, Duke University Dissertation Enhancement: The Roles of Heterotrophic Nitrogen and Autotrophic Carbon in Amino Acid Synthesis by Reef Corals Nancy Knowlton, Scripps Institution of Oceanography Molecular Analysis of Morphologically Defined Taxa in the Montastraea Annularis Complex Nancy Knowlton, Scripps Institute of Oceanography Spawning and Fertilization in the Caribbean Coral Montastraea Annularis Sensu Lato. Collaborative Research. Mimi Koehl, University of California, Berkeley Can Larvae Utilize Dissolved Settlement Cues in the Wave-Driven Flow on Coral Reefs? Collaborative Research. James Leichter, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Nearshore Benthic-Pelagic Coupling: Coral Growth Responses to Internal Tidal Forcing on Florida Keys Coral Reefs Dan Levitan, Florida State University Spawning and Fertilization in the Caribbean Coral Montastraea Annularis Sensu Lato. Collaborative Research. Niels Lindquist, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Anti-Predator Defenses of Marine Hydroids: Alternative Strategies, Biogeographic Patterns, and Ecological Implications. Collaborative Research. Rom Lipcius, Virginia Institute of Marine Science Impact of Larval Transport and Benthic Habitat Quality upon Recruitment Dynamics: Poor Nursery Habitat Decouples Larval Supply from Reproductive Output of Caribbean Spiny Lobster. Collaborative Research. George Losey, University of Hawaii Ultraviolet Radiation on Tropical Reefs: Effects on Fish Vision John Marr, Caribbean Marine Research Center Field Stations and Marine Laboratories - Analytical Laboratory at the Caribbean Marine Research Center Facility at Lee Stocking Island, Bahamas Karen McKee, National Biological Survey BIOCOMPLEXITY: Microbial and Nutrient Controls in Mangrove Ecosystems. Collaborative Research. Richard Miller, Temple University. Evolution of Physical and Chemical Attributes of Gametes in Free Spawning Marine Invertebrates: A Functional and Phylogenetic Approach. Collaborative Research. Laura Moore, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution SGER-Small Grant for Exploratory Research: Exploring Late-Holocene Hurricane Activity as Recorded in Salt Ponds and Lagoons of the Caribbean Region Morin, James, Cornell University REU - Research Experiences for Undergraduates in Marine Biology at the Shoals Marine Laboratory Daniel E. Morse, University of California, Santa Barbara Biochemical Control of Larval Settlement and Recruitment of the Major Reef-Building Coral, Acropora Palmata Valerie Paul, University of Guam Chemical Studies of Natural Inducers of Larval Settlement and Metamorphosis for Two Species of Phestilla (Opisthobranchia) Joseph Pawlik, University of North Carolina, Wilmington Assessing the Chemical Defenses of Caribbean Sponges Nicholas Pingitore, University of Texas, El Paso Incorporation of Minor and Trace Elements in Coral Skeletal Aragonite: An X-Ray Absorption Spectroscopy and Microstructural Study Richard Podolsky, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Evolution of Physical and Chemical Attributes of Gametes in Free Spawning Marine Invertebrates: A Functional and Phylogenetic Approach. Collaborative Research. Terrence Quinn, University of South Florida An International Workshop on Submerged Coral Drilling; St. Petersburg Beach, Florida; September 2000 Paul Scheuer, University of Hawaii Chemical Marine Ecology Gavin Schmidt, Columbia University Modeling the Climate of the Last Glacial Maximum and During Subsequent Meltwater Pulses Including Oxygen-18 Tracers; Implications for Interpreting Carbonate Proxy Data Russ Schmitt, University of California, Santa Barbara On the Abundance, Dynamics and Regulation of Damselfish Populations Russ Schmitt, University of California, Santa Barbara Abundance, Dynamics and Coexistence of Interacting Damselfishes: Quantifying the Contributions of Causal Processes Across Spatial Scales Daniel Schrag, Harvard University CAREER - Faculty Early Career Development Award: Geochemical Approaches to Oceanography and Climatology: A Plan for Research and Education Daniel P. Schrag, Harvard University Shallow Circulation in the Tropical Pacific: A Geochemical and Modeling Study. Collaborative Research. Kenneth Sebens, University of Maryland Nutrition of Reef Corals: Effects of Morphology, Resource Availability, and Water Flow Carol Shearer, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign BIOCOMPLEXITY: Microbial and Nutrient Controls in Mangrove Ecosystems. Collaborative Research. Kerry Sieh, California Institute of Technology Paleoseismology and Paleogeodesy of the Sumatran Subduction Zone. Collaborative Research. Wayne P. Sousa, U of Cal Berkeley Mangrove Forest Regeneration: Testing for an Interaction Between Herbivory and Competition Along an Environmental Gradient Su Sponaugle, University of Miami Scope and Consequences of Variability in the Early Life History Traits of a Caribbean Coral Reef Fish John Stachowicz, University of California, Davis Anti-Predator Defenses of Marine Hydroids: Alternative Strategies, Biogeographic Patterns, and Ecological Implications. Collaborative Research. Peter Swart, University of Miami Inter-Annual to Century-Scale Climate Records from the Atlantic: Coral Based Reconstructions. Collaborative Research. Frederick Taylor, University of Texas Austin Combined 230Th and 231Pa Dating: Establishing the Absolute Timing of late Quaternary Climate Changes and Calibrating the 14 C Timescale. Collaborative Research. Florence Thomas, Dauphin Island Marine Laboratory and the University of South Florida. PECASE: Presidential Early Career Awards for Scientists and Engineers: Effects of Morphology and Water Velocity on Mass Transfer: A Partnership in Research and Education Simon Thorrold, Old Dominion Inter-Annual to Century-Scale Climate Records from the Atlantic: Coral Based Reconstructions. Collaborative Research. Robert Ulanowicz, University of Maryland BIOCOMPLEXITY: Microbial and Nutrient Controls in Mangrove Ecosystems. Collaborative Research. Steven Ward, University of California, Santa Cruz Crustal Deformation at the Sumatran Subduction Zone - Joint Research Virginia Weis, Oregon State University Examination of the Biochemical and Molecular Mechanisms Underlying the Establishment of Cnidarian-Algal Symbioses Mark Westneat, Field Museum of Natural History Phylogenetic Relationships and Evolution of Function in Labrid Fishes Dawn Wright, Oregon State University POWRE - Professional Opportunities for Women in Research and Education: New Collaborative Research with the Sustainable Seas Expeditions at Fagatele Bay National Marine Sanctuary (Am. Samoa) Robert Young, Western Carolina University SGER-Small Grant for Exploratory Research: Examining the Impact of Land-Use on Offshore Sediment Transport and Reef Degradation during a Category Five Hurricane on a Mountainous Caribbean Island: Roatan, Honduras **************************************** Phillip R. Taylor, Director Biological Oceanography Program Division of Ocean Sciences National Science Foundation 4201 Wilson Blvd., Suite 725 Arlington, Virginia, USA 22230 703-292-8582, fax: 703-292-9085 -- new phone and fax prtaylor at nsf.gov ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From McCarty_and_Peters at compuserve.com Fri Nov 24 15:43:18 2000 From: McCarty_and_Peters at compuserve.com (McCarty and Peters) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:43:18 -0500 Subject: 2001 Coral Tissue Slide Reading Workshops Message-ID: <200011241543_MC2-BC04-E444@compuserve.com> Dear List, Plans are underway to present additional 3-day Coral Tissue Slide Reading Workshops during 2001. These workshops will be held at the Registry of Tumors in Lower Animals, George Washington University, Washington, DC. Each session is limited to five participants (using a 6-headed teaching microscope). Lecture and slide-reading sessions will cover basic histology and histopathology, techniques for the preparation of coral tissues for light and electron microscopic examination, coral anatomy and histology, and coral diseases. Participants are encouraged to bring their own histoslides for discussion, if they have prepared any, and are expected to make a brief presentation on their own coral research (physiology, symbioses, pathology, toxicology, microbiology, etc.) Scleractinian corals will be the primary focus, but other tropical cnidarian groups can also be discussed. Cost of the workshop is $150 for students and $300 for professionals, and $35 for materials. Fees, travel to/from and within Washington, meals, and hotel must be paid for by the participant. If you are interested in attending a workshop in 2001 and are not already on the notification list, please reply to: mccarty_and_peters at compuserve.com DO NOT REPLY TO THE CORAL-LIST! Further notices will be provided as plans progress. Dr. Esther Peters ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Ecopolicy at aol.com Fri Nov 24 18:03:07 2000 From: Ecopolicy at aol.com (Ecopolicy at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:03:07 EST Subject: ECOLOGICAL INDICATORS - New journal announcement and call for manuscripts Message-ID: Dear Colleagues! I wanted to provide information to you about Elsevier's new journal, ECOLOGICAL INDICATORS, to be launced (first issue) early next year. You may find out more about the journal at the website: http://www.elsevier.com/locate/ecolind or by emailing or writing me or our Editorial Assistant. Specifically, we are looking for manuscripts -- i.e., research; theoretical; case studies; invited reviews; et al! Please go to our new website (click on "authors' instructions" if interested in submitting), email us directly at "ecoindicators at netscape.net" or email me personally and I will provide you with our new announcement and call for papers in either .pdf or hardcopy. Specifically -- as I know much work is being done in this area -- I would be enthused to see manuscripts using, e.g., coral reefs as indicators; specific bioligical, chemical or systems analyses (et al) as indicators of coral reef "health;" etc. I encourage you to take a look at the members of our Editorial Board (website), and also hope you are excited at the arrival of this new Journal. Thank you for your interest. Hopefully you will consider submitting a manuscript. If you are also interested in serving as a reviewer, please let us know (we will need a CV and identification of specialty areas). Sincerely, D. Eric Hyatt Editor-in-Chief ECOLOGICAL INDICATORS Shauna Satrang Editorial Assistant ECOLOGICAL INDICATORS Editorial Office 607 Hemlock Drive Windsor, CO 80550-5755 U.S.A. tel: +1 970 686 6447 e-mail: ecoindicators at netscape.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From McCarty_and_Peters at compuserve.com Sat Nov 25 18:13:49 2000 From: McCarty_and_Peters at compuserve.com (McCarty and Peters) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:13:49 -0500 Subject: One More Request Regarding the Workshop Message-ID: <200011251813_MC2-BC18-BCE2@compuserve.com> Dear List, Regarding the upcoming plans for the 2001 Coral Tissue Slide Reading Workshops, if you thought you were already on the notification list but did not receive a notice for the January workshop, please send another e-mail message to mccarty_and_peters at compuserve.com. It is possible you have changed e-mail addresses and this needs to be updated. Thank you! Esther Peters ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From d.fenner at aims.gov.au Mon Nov 27 16:18:19 2000 From: d.fenner at aims.gov.au (Doug Fenner) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:18:19 Subject: oil rigs Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001127161819.00b8cb10@email.aims.gov.au> Does anyone dive on oil platforms in Mexico or Venezuela, or know how I could contact anyone who does? Does anyone work in St. Vincent, even briefly? Thanks! -Doug Douglas Fenner, Ph.D. Coral Biodiversity/Taxonomist Australian Institute of Marine Science PMB No 3 Townsville MC Queensland 4810 Australia phone 07 4753 4334 e-mail: d.fenner at aims.gov.au web: http://www.aims.gov.au ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Ron.Hill at noaa.gov Mon Nov 27 09:37:24 2000 From: Ron.Hill at noaa.gov (Ron Hill) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:37:24 -0600 Subject: attached hoax Message-ID: <3A2271A4.21F54837@noaa.gov> Last week we got notification from our computer security group about this hoax. There has apparently been one man killed after going to Nigeria to try to take advantage of this. There is no need to read the whole message (recent criticism of long messages)- you will get the idea after the first couple of lines. I just thought the warning should be spread to our wider audience. cheers, ron -------- Original Message -------- Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:16:19 -0800 From: "haruna gana" To: FROM: HARUNA GANA E-MAIL:h_gana at yahoo.com DEAR SIR, URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL AND STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL IT IS MY PROFOUND INTENTION TO WRITE TO YOU THIS VERY IMPORTANT AND HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL LETTER.I AM A RETIRED CIVIL SERVANT WITH THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION (N.N.P.C.). DURING MY SERVICE I WAS IN-CHARGE OF OIL ALLOCATION DEPARTMENT. I GOT YOUR INFORMATION FROM YOUR ASSOCIATION E-MAIL DIRECTORY. I AM IN POSSESION OF THE SUM OF US$15,000.000.00 (FIFTEEN MILLION, UNITED STATES DOLLARS) WHICH I MADE THROUGH SERIES OF OIL DEALS AND AS COMMISSION GIVEN TO ME BY FOREIGN OIL BUYERS WHILE IN OFFICE. PRESENTLY, THIS FUND IS KEPT WITH A SECURITY COMPANY HERE IN NIGERIA. BASED ON THE GOVERNMENT MONETARY POLICY, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO BANK OR INVEST THIS MONEY HERE IN NIGERIA. MORE SO, AS A FORMER PUBLIC SERVANT I WILL BE QUESTIONED. YOUR ASSISTANCE WILL BE HIGHLY NEEDED AS A FOREIGNER AND AS A PARTNER. I CAN ARRANGE FOR THE MONEY TO LEAVE NIGERIA THROUGH THE SECURITY AND COURRIER COMPANY VIA DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY TO ATLANTA IN THE USA ARMSTERDAM HOLLAND, LONDON THE UK AND ONTARIO CANADA. WHERE THE SECURITY COMPANY HAVE DIPLOMATIC STATUS. THIS METHOD (DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY) IS A SPECIAL ARRANGEMENT USED BY DIPLOMATIC OFFICIALS WHEN GOING ABROAD ON DIPLOMATIC MISSION. UPON THE RECEIPT OF YOUR ACCEPTANCE TO THIS PROPOSAL, I WILL IMMEDIATELY ARRANGE WITH THESE DIPLOMATIC OFFICIALS TO CARRY THIS MONEY ALONG IN YOUR FAVOUR, THEN YOU WILL ASSIST ME TO RECEIVE IT OVER THERE AS MY FOREIGN PARTNER. MY PLANS IS TO USE THIS MONEY TO INVEST IN A PROFITABLE BUSINESS VENTURES IN ANY PART OF THE WORLD APART FROM AFRICA, ALSO TO PURCHASE A RESIDENCIAL ACCOMMODATION. I WILL THEN COME OVER AND SETTLE THERE WITH MY FAMILY BECAUSE OF THE PRESENT UNPREDICTABLE POLITICAL STUATION IN MY COUNTRY. PLEASE IF YOU ARE WILLING TO ASSIST ME, DO SEND IN YOUR REPLY IMMEDIATELY THROUGH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING: - (1) WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THIS AMOUNT DO YOU INTEND TO CHARGE FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EXPRESS YOUR MIND, (2)INCLUDING YOUR PRIVATE TELEPHONE FAX NUMBERS AND E-MAIL ADDRESS TO ENHANCE THE CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH THIS BUSINESS DEMANDS. I SHALL INFORM YOU WITH THE NEXT LINE OF ACTION AS SOON AS I RECEIVE YOUR POSITIVE RESPONSE.THERE WILL BE NO CAUSE FOR WORRIES OR FEARS ABOUT THE TRANSACTION SINCE THE SECURITY COMPANY HANDLING THE TRANSACTION IS FULLY BACKED UP BY EXISTING INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY LAWS. PLEASE TREAT THIS LETTER WITH THE STRICTEST CONFIDENTIALITY AND UTMOST URGENCY YOUR URGENT RESPONSE BY E-MAIL SHALL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED BEST REGARDS HARUNA GANA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From JandL at rivnet.net Mon Nov 27 11:47:09 2000 From: JandL at rivnet.net (Judith Lang & Lynton Land) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:47:09 -0500 Subject: attached hoax Message-ID: Hello all, I can't attest to any killings, but I can assure you that since 1998, I have seen at least four different versions of this same scan (which I have deleted after the first paragraph below), all emanating from Nigeria! Judy ---------- >From: "Ron Hill" >To: coral list >Subject: attached hoax >Date: Mon, Nov 27, 2000, 9:37 AM > >Last week we got notification from our computer security group about >this hoax. There has apparently been one man killed after going to >Nigeria to try to take advantage of this. There is no need to read the >whole message (recent criticism of long messages)- you will get the idea >after the first couple of lines. I just thought the warning should be >spread to our wider audience. > >cheers, >ron > >-------- Original Message -------- >Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:16:19 -0800 >From: "haruna gana" >To: > > > FROM: HARUNA GANA >E-MAIL:h_gana at yahoo.com >DEAR SIR, > URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL AND STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL >IT IS MY PROFOUND INTENTION TO WRITE TO YOU THIS VERY IMPORTANT AND >HIGHLY >CONFIDENTIAL LETTER.I AM A RETIRED CIVIL SERVANT WITH THE NIGERIAN >NATIONAL >PETROLEUM CORPORATION (N.N.P.C.). DURING MY SERVICE I WAS IN-CHARGE OF >OIL >ALLOCATION DEPARTMENT. >I GOT YOUR INFORMATION FROM YOUR ASSOCIATION E-MAIL DIRECTORY. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From oveh at uq.edu.au Sun Nov 26 14:25:40 2000 From: oveh at uq.edu.au (Ove Hoegh-Guldberg) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 05:25:40 +1000 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: <200011271828.SAA30854@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Dear Austin, Interesting thoughts. You are right in saying that the research we need now should largely focus on solutions. However, I disagree with that your feeling that climate change and coral bleaching are stealing the show and are an excuse for funding scientists etc. As has been stated in various places, climate change represents a threat to reefs on a scale unheralded in recent times. The recent observation that 16% of living reef died in the 1998 thermal event is a hint of the scale of the issue - not even Crown-of-Thorns never ate 16% of reefs in a single year! While saying this, I also feel it is important not to forget the other urgent issues that face reefs. While climate change may distract (yet must be also understood), we do need to consider how it will modify the resilience of reefs faced by other stresses. As has also been stated variously, rising sea temperatures are likely to make reefs even more sensitive to other stresses. This said, the added stress of climate change should increase not decrease our concern and efforts to manage/protect reefs from the other more local scale stresses (pollution, nutrients, destructive fishing etc.). Regards, Ove Professor Ove Hoegh-Guldberg Director, Centre for Marine Studies University of Queensland St Lucia, 4072, QLD Phone: +61 07 3365 4333 Fax: +61 07 3365 4755 Email: oveh at uq.edu.au http://www.marine.uq.edu.au/ohg/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov]On Behalf Of FSP Fiji - Suva Office Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2000 9:35 AM To: 'coral-list-daily at coral.aoml.noaa.gov' Subject: RE: The Trouble with our Ocean > "From an economic standpoint, I'm not sure that a >live reef is worth much more than a dead one. A reality check from the Pacific Islands: The fact is that most reefs of the planet never experience tourism of any sort, nor do they have clouds of green water or mud covering them. What most reefs do experience is subsistence fishing pressure, and a fair number of reefs also experience commercial fishing by local people with boats and access to local markets. In my opinion, the greatest economic contribution of reefs to the planet is that reefs feed and provide for families... reefs keep societies alive. From this perspective, overfishing/destructive fishing by reef-dependent communities is a far greater immediate threat to the health of reefs than any other factor. If fishing communities are the primary threat to coral reefs, and as these communities own/control most (70%+?) of the reefs on this planet, shouldn't more effort be made to empower this group that hold the future of reefs in their hands? The emphasis on climate change, bleaching, and the like tend to steal the show. These issues may attract funding and interset the scientific community, but they are much less practical than focusing on empowering communities to manage their own resources. Could saving reefs be more of a exercise in cultural understanding and respect for the intellegence of rural fishing communities than a research driven one? >From where I live and work, it appears that a lack of global vision and educational prejudice on the part of the scientific community are as much a problem as any physical threat. Austin Bowden-Kerby Coral Gardens Initiative Foundation for the Peoples of the South Pacific ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). 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Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From hnearing at duke.edu Mon Nov 27 14:27:37 2000 From: hnearing at duke.edu (Helen Nearing) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:27:37 -0500 Subject: Duke University Marine Laboratory Integrated Marine Conservation Program Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20001127142737.0094f880@mail-hn.mail.duke.edu> APOLOGIES FOR CROSS LISTING Duke University Integrated Marine Conservation Program The Nicholas School of the Environment Marine Laboratory at Duke University is offering an unparalleled educational opportunity from July 9 to August 10, 2001. Duke's Integrated Marine Conservation Program teaches the principles necessary for the conservation and preservation of the coastal and oceanic environment. The focus is on interdisciplinary problem solving--using natural and social science theory to resolve real world environmental problems. The Duke summer faculty will be joined by distinguished scholars from around the country for this intensive five week program. Participants in the Integrated Marine Conservation Program usually enroll in the program's 'core' course (Conservation Biology and Policy) and one of seven elective courses offered concurrently. Enrollment in any one course is also possible. Scholarships are available, including several earmarked for international students. In order to receive full consideration, applications for general scholarships must be received by March 1. Applications for international student scholarships must be received by April 1. Applications for the Integrated Marine Conservation Program will be accepted until the program is full. For further information, visit http://www.env.duke.edu/marinelab/mlterm2.html or contact Ms. Helen Nearing (hnearing at duke.edu; 252/504-7502). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From b984138 at sci.u-ryukyu.ac.jp Mon Nov 27 18:44:16 2000 From: b984138 at sci.u-ryukyu.ac.jp (Rob van Woesik) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:44:16 +0900 Subject: Summary of Bali/Japan wish list Message-ID: <3A22F1D0.C2718E84@sci.u-ryukyu.ac.jp> Dear all, there were over 100 replies to the 'Bali/Japan one wish' (posted on the coral-list November 1, 2000). I have summarized the replies in a 5-page document. I posted the pdf version of the file to Jim Hendee so he can put the file on the NOAA website. I have also placed the Summary on my website (see link below). To locate the file on my website, scan the left column and click on Miscellaneous. The website is: http://www.cc.u-ryukyu.ac.jp/~b984138/ The file is available as a html file and as a pdf file so it is compatible with all computers. To read the pdf file you will need acrobat reader software, which is free at: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html If you need the file in another format please contact me. Best Regards Rob van Woesik ******************************************* Dr. Robert van Woesik Associate Professor Department of Marine Sciences University of the Ryukyus Nishihara, Okinawa 903-0123 JAPAN E-mail: b984138 at sci.u-ryukyu.ac.jp Website: http://www.cc.u-ryukyu.ac.jp/~b984138/ Ph: (81) 098 895 8564 Fax: (81) 098 895 8552 ****************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001128/1f607768/attachment.html From kayamoo at hotmail.com Tue Nov 28 01:23:53 2000 From: kayamoo at hotmail.com (kathryn pederson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:23:53 Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: Dear friends, thank you for acknowledging that not all tourists are the same, there are the experienced and the amateur among us. But simply put, I think one of the most clear ways of showing people (who might not realize) the difference between coral reefs (generally speaking) in the 60s & 70s and those we swim through today, is through PHOTOS and VIDEO.If airlines or ferries in popularized dive locations (think Cozumel) for example, would show a short film of healthy vs. sick coral systems, tourists would have images with which to associate what they witness. If its pretty, colorful, clean, & diverse = its good. If its grey, fuzzy, flaky, cloudy and all the same = its bad. ????? I wasn't alive in the 60s, but hearing divers talk about their underwater experiences years ago makes me drool (most, that is). Thank you and cheers. Kaya Pederson Monterey Institute of International Studies GIS/GPS/MAIEP 2001 Monterey, California kayamoo at hotmail.com >From: Don McAllister >To: Peter Burnside >CC: coral-list-daily at coral.aoml.noaa.gov >Subject: Re: The Trouble with our Ocean >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:28:19 -0500 > >Peter Burnside wrote: > > > "From an economic standpoint, I'm not sure that a > > live reef is worth much more than a dead one. Most > > first time snorkelers...(the majority of the market)do > > not know the difference. They see a few fish, they > > lie in the sun. It's just another day at the beach." > > -Journalist Joel Simon, author of "Endangered Mexico: > > An Environment on the Edge" after visiting Cancun. > >I think there is an inexperienced tourist audience for which that is >true >- those who don't have the experience with more pristine reefs. But >still even the beginner will not be very happy with a reef overgrown >with algae or with sediments that get stirred up by waves, currents >or swim fins. So even the amateurs won't accept just any reef and >be happy - after all they have seen photos and TV shows of healthy >reefs. > >For the experienced person it is quite another matter. As long as they >can afford to go to a healthy reef they will do so. Word of mouth and >the various dive magazines soon get word out to the illuminati about >formerly healthy reefs that are now "gone." > >Then there are the reef services. You can't hide the beach with >plentiful >coral sand from an unhealthy reef. Healthy reefs are needed to provide >a continuous supply of nice white/pink sand. No sand renewal and the >beach erodes or has a lot of sharp rubble painful to the feet. Or the >local hotels etc. must spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on >dredging >or trucking sand in. > >Fresh fish must be brought from elsewhere if the reef is dying. > >And when the reef starts getting seriously eroded, the resorts will >really >get hammered by the next onshore hurricane. > >So I agree with you to a point. But in the long run sustainable tourism >depends of sustaining the reef. > >Clinton's sign should have said, "It's the economy, stupid, that depends > >on the environment." And so should have Bush's. In the subsequent >election, hopefully Ralph had such as sign, but I gather he only got >3% of the vote - this time around. > >don >Don McAllister > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Susan_White at fws.gov Tue Nov 28 09:02:33 2000 From: Susan_White at fws.gov (Susan_White at fws.gov) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:02:33 -0500 Subject: job vacancy Message-ID: The following job vacancy for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's National Wildlife Refuge System is currently posted on www.usajobs.opm.gov for current U.S. federal employees. My apologies for the lateness of this message, and for those interested who aren't currently in Government service - or U.S. residents. The National Wildlife Refuge System manages over 93 million acres (above and below water) of U.S. natural resources with a priority on the wildlife (terrestrial, freshwater, or marine) and the habitats they need to survive. Two Florida Keys refuges (Key West and Great White Heron National Wildlife Refuges), managed out of the National Key Deer Refuge Headquarters, contain roughly 365 sq. miles of marine waters within their administrative boundaries and overlap with portions of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary. This position entails monitoring the resources, working closely with Refuge managers and advising on marine resource management of the Refuges, and coordinating with staff and management of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary, state, and local agencies. For more information, please contact Emery Hoyle, Deputy Project Leader, National Key Deer Refuge at: emery_hoyle at fws.gov - or call at 305.872.2239 Vacancy Announcement DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR INTERIOR, U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE Vacancy Announcement Number: FWS4-00-167BY Opening Date: 11/06/2000 Closing Date: 12/04/2000 Position: GENERAL BIOLOGIST GS-0401-09/11 Salary: $34575 per year - $54385 per year Promotion Potential: GS-11 Duty Location: 1 vacancy at BIG PINE KEY, FL National Key Deer NWR Applications will be accepted from: Applications will be accepted from current Federal employees serving under a career or career conditional appointment, candidates with reinstatement eligibility, or candidates eligible for special appointing authority. Veterans who are preference eligibles or who have been separated from the armed forces under honorable conditions after 3 or more years of continuous active service may apply. Major Duties: STATEMENT OF DUTIES: Incumbent provides recommendations to refuge management regarding marine resources management. Collects biological data from field investigations in support of station or program function and performs technical analysis to determine appropriate action. Prepares graphs, charts, and reports outlining preliminary findings pertinent to the field investigations for use by refuge management. Works with other individuals (professional biologists, general public, and/or other agencies) involving marine management activities. Qualifications Required: BASIC REQUIREMENTS: As a basic requirement applicants must successfully complete a full 4-year course of study in an accredited college or university leading to a bachelor's or higher degree that included a major field of study or specific course requirement in biological sciences, agriculture, natural resource management, chemistry, or related disciplines appropriate to the position. Alternatively, applicants can meet these qualifications by combining education and appropriate experience. To qualify at the GS-9 level: In addition to the basic requirements, applicants must possess 2 years of progressively higher level graduate education leading to a master's degree or master's or equivalent graduate degree - OR - 1 year specialized experience to at least the GS-7 level. To qualify at the GS-11 level: In addition to the basic requirements, applicant must also possess one year specialized experience equivalent to at least the GS-9 level - OR - 3 full years of progressively higher level graduate education or Ph.D or equivalent doctoral degree in a directly related field. SPECIALIZED EXPERIENCE: In additional to your experience and education, other elements such as relevant awards training, self-development, outside activities, and supervisory appraisals will be evaluated as indicators of your ability to perform the specific ranking factors of the position. To receive full consideration for this position, your application must include concise information regarding the quality of your experience. When addressing the ranking factors, identify the knowledge, skills and abilities involved in carrying out the duties and responsibilities of your current and past positions as they relate to this position. Position Descriptions will not be accepted. Knowledges, Skills and Abilities Required: 1. Knowledge of theory, principles, and methods of marine biology and marine management. 2. Ability to communicate in writing. 3. Ability to analyze special problems related to field activities. 4. Ability to communicate orally. 5. Ability to work effectively with others. Basis of Rating: Rating will be based on an evaluation of your experience as it relates to qualification requirements and on the knowledge, skills, and abilities (KSA's) listed. You should provide detailed evidence of the KSA's in your application in the form of clear, concise examples showing level of accomplishment and degree of responsibility. Pay, Benefits and Work Schedule: Permanent/Full-time Conditions of Employment: 1. The incumbent will be required to obtain and wear an official U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service uniform. 2. Incumbent must be able to operate a government-owned or leased motor vehicle. A valid state driver's license is required. Susan ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> Susan White, Refuge Marine Resources Specialist NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE SYSTEM Division of Natural Resources 4401 N. Fairfax Dr. Rm 670 Arlington, VA 22203 ph: 703.358.2415 fx: 703.358.1826 email: Susan_White at fws.gov <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rolphap at seychelles.net Tue Nov 28 10:43:35 2000 From: rolphap at seychelles.net (Rolph Payet) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:43:35 +0300 Subject: attached hoax References: <3A2271A4.21F54837@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <00de01c05955$24226520$36a3fea9@mluh.gov> Dear all just block the sender, so he cannot nag you. regards Rolph ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Hill To: coral list Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 5:37 PM Subject: attached hoax > Last week we got notification from our computer security group about > this hoax. There has apparently been one man killed after going to > Nigeria to try to take advantage of this. There is no need to read the > whole message (recent criticism of long messages)- you will get the idea > after the first couple of lines. I just thought the warning should be > spread to our wider audience. > > cheers, > ron > > -------- Original Message -------- > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:16:19 -0800 > From: "haruna gana" > To: > > > FROM: HARUNA GANA > E-MAIL:h_gana at yahoo.com > DEAR SIR, > URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL AND STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL > IT IS MY PROFOUND INTENTION TO WRITE TO YOU THIS VERY IMPORTANT AND > HIGHLY > CONFIDENTIAL LETTER.I AM A RETIRED CIVIL SERVANT WITH THE NIGERIAN > NATIONAL > PETROLEUM CORPORATION (N.N.P.C.). DURING MY SERVICE I WAS IN-CHARGE OF > OIL > ALLOCATION DEPARTMENT. > I GOT YOUR INFORMATION FROM YOUR ASSOCIATION E-MAIL DIRECTORY. > > I AM IN POSSESION OF THE SUM OF US$15,000.000.00 (FIFTEEN MILLION, > UNITED > STATES DOLLARS) WHICH I MADE THROUGH SERIES OF OIL DEALS AND AS > COMMISSION > GIVEN TO ME BY FOREIGN OIL BUYERS WHILE IN OFFICE. PRESENTLY, THIS FUND > IS > KEPT WITH A SECURITY COMPANY HERE IN NIGERIA. > > BASED ON THE GOVERNMENT MONETARY POLICY, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO > BANK > OR > INVEST THIS MONEY HERE IN NIGERIA. MORE SO, AS A FORMER PUBLIC SERVANT I > WILL > BE QUESTIONED. YOUR ASSISTANCE WILL BE HIGHLY NEEDED AS A FOREIGNER AND > AS A > PARTNER. I CAN ARRANGE FOR THE MONEY TO LEAVE NIGERIA THROUGH THE > SECURITY > AND COURRIER COMPANY VIA DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY TO ATLANTA IN THE USA > ARMSTERDAM HOLLAND, LONDON THE UK AND > ONTARIO CANADA. WHERE THE SECURITY COMPANY HAVE DIPLOMATIC STATUS. THIS > METHOD > (DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY) IS A SPECIAL ARRANGEMENT USED BY DIPLOMATIC > OFFICIALS > WHEN GOING ABROAD ON DIPLOMATIC MISSION. > > UPON THE RECEIPT OF YOUR ACCEPTANCE TO THIS PROPOSAL, I WILL IMMEDIATELY > ARRANGE WITH THESE DIPLOMATIC OFFICIALS TO CARRY THIS MONEY ALONG IN > YOUR > FAVOUR, THEN YOU WILL ASSIST ME TO RECEIVE IT OVER THERE AS MY FOREIGN > PARTNER. > MY PLANS IS TO USE THIS MONEY TO INVEST IN A PROFITABLE BUSINESS > VENTURES IN > ANY PART OF THE WORLD APART FROM AFRICA, ALSO TO PURCHASE A RESIDENCIAL > ACCOMMODATION. I WILL THEN COME OVER AND SETTLE THERE WITH MY FAMILY > BECAUSE > OF THE PRESENT UNPREDICTABLE POLITICAL STUATION IN MY COUNTRY. > PLEASE IF YOU ARE WILLING TO ASSIST ME, DO SEND IN YOUR REPLY > IMMEDIATELY > THROUGH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING: - > > (1) WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THIS AMOUNT DO YOU INTEND TO CHARGE FOR YOUR > ASSISTANCE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EXPRESS YOUR MIND, > (2)INCLUDING YOUR PRIVATE TELEPHONE FAX NUMBERS AND E-MAIL ADDRESS TO > ENHANCE THE CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH THIS BUSINESS DEMANDS. > > I SHALL INFORM YOU WITH THE NEXT LINE OF ACTION AS SOON AS I RECEIVE > YOUR > POSITIVE RESPONSE.THERE WILL BE NO CAUSE FOR WORRIES OR FEARS ABOUT THE > TRANSACTION SINCE THE SECURITY COMPANY HANDLING THE TRANSACTION IS FULLY > BACKED UP BY EXISTING INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY LAWS. > > PLEASE TREAT THIS LETTER WITH THE STRICTEST CONFIDENTIALITY AND UTMOST > URGENCY > > YOUR URGENT RESPONSE BY E-MAIL SHALL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED > > BEST REGARDS > > HARUNA GANA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) > sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program > (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site > for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From lfoote at maui.net Tue Nov 28 11:22:22 2000 From: lfoote at maui.net (lfoote) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:22:22 -1000 Subject: Seeking coral reef researchers for educational website Message-ID: <200011281622.GAA07495@hula.maui.net> Dear subscribers of the Coral Health and Monitoring Program List, I am the president and founder of Project S.E.A.-LINK. We are a nonprofit organization based in Maui, Hawaii, and our mission is to promote marine Science, Education, and Awareness. Our goal is to provide a LINK between students, teachers, scientists, the local community, the general public, other nonprofit organizations, and governmental agencies. I would like to invite the coral reef research community to participate in the educational website I am currently developing. The site will be a resource for students and teachers, and will feauture a section where scientists and their work will be profiled. Students may write in questions, and teachers will be able to download curricular materials based on the researchers' work. I would especially like to feature coral reef researchers' profiles on the site. To become profiled, just answer some questions about your career and philosophy about science via our questionnaire, and provide photo(s). If you wish, you may also participate in other opportunities such as a question/answer board or other more direct interactions with students and science classrooms around the country. The questionnaire and instructions are provided below. You may also write to profiles at projectsealink.org to request PDF and Word versions. If you have any specific questions, please send a message directly to me. Thank you very much! Liz Foote, President, Project S.E.A.-LINK president at projectsealink.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- INSTRUCTIONS Please answer the following questions. You may send your responses by email or through regular mail. email: profiles at projectsealink.org Mailing Address: Project S.E.A.-LINK; 3740 Lower Honoapiilani Hwy. D206; Lahaina, HI 96761 Contact: Liz Foote, President (president at projectsealink.org). Questions for Web Profile: 1. Name. 2. Job Title. 3. Degree(s) held and from where. 4. Brief description of your job. 5. Briefly describe the project(s) you are currently working on. 6. Explain how/why your job is important to society. 7. How did you end up doing what you?re doing? 8. Were you inspired by anyone in particular? If so, who, and how did he/she influence your career choice? 9. What is the most rewarding aspect of your job? 10. If you could change one aspect of your job, what would it be? 11. Describe the most fun and exciting experience you have had during your career. 12. Describe the most disappointing or frustrating experience you have had during your career. 13. What do you like to do on your days off? 14. What advice would you give to a student who is thinking about pursuing a career similar to yours? 15. Can you recommend any particular educational programs/internships, etc. that will help students prepare for a career like yours? Additional Information Requested: *Please attach your current C.V/Resume, and add on any additional educational experiences (such as summer camps, internships, or other programs--through high school and earlier, if applicable) which helped you prepare for your career. These will be linked directly from the website. *Please attach a photo of yourself. Additional photos are welcomed, the more action-oriented the better. You may send a jpeg file to the email address above, or the photo can be sent by US mail to the postal address above. *Please indicate whether you would like your email address posted with your profile. *Please indicate whether you would be interested in answering students? questions as relayed by the Project S.E.A.-LINK webmaster (students will not contact you directly). *Please indicate whether you would be interested in participating in Project S.E.A.-LINK?s Online Mentoring Program or Classroom Connection Program. *For Project S.E.A.-LINK?s records, please provide your address (home/work), phone number, and email address. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From hendee at aoml.noaa.gov Tue Nov 28 12:04:10 2000 From: hendee at aoml.noaa.gov (Jim Hendee) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:04:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Summary of Bali/Japan wish list In-Reply-To: <3A22F1D0.C2718E84@sci.u-ryukyu.ac.jp> Message-ID: The file is now also available on the CHAMP Web site at, http://www.coral.noaa.gov/themes/Bali-Japan.pdf Cheers, Jim On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Rob van Woesik wrote: > Dear all, > > there were over 100 replies to the 'Bali/Japan one wish' (posted on the > coral-list November 1, 2000). I have summarized the replies in a 5-page > document. I posted the pdf version of the file to Jim Hendee so he can > put the file on the NOAA website. I have also placed the Summary on my > website (see link below). To locate the file on my website, scan the > left column and click on Miscellaneous. The website is: > http://www.cc.u-ryukyu.ac.jp/~b984138/ > The file is available as a html file and as a pdf file so it is > compatible with all computers. To read the pdf file you will need > acrobat reader software, which is free at: > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html > > If you need the file in another format please contact me. > > Best Regards > Rob van Woesik > > ******************************************* > Dr. Robert van Woesik > Associate Professor > Department of Marine Sciences > University of the Ryukyus > Nishihara, Okinawa 903-0123 > JAPAN > > E-mail: b984138 at sci.u-ryukyu.ac.jp > Website: http://www.cc.u-ryukyu.ac.jp/~b984138/ > > Ph: (81) 098 895 8564 > Fax: (81) 098 895 8552 > > ****************************************** > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From szmanta at uncwil.edu Tue Nov 28 14:13:14 2000 From: szmanta at uncwil.edu (Alina M. Szmant) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:13:14 -0500 Subject: postdoctoral position available Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20001128141314.0076e734@pop.uncwil.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2318 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001128/13507e87/attachment.bin From rginsburg at rsmas.miami.edu Tue Nov 28 14:20:47 2000 From: rginsburg at rsmas.miami.edu (rginsburg at rsmas.miami.edu) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:20:47 -0500 Subject: Bali Summary Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001128142047.009372e0@mail.rsmas.miami.edu> Congratulations to Rob van Woesik for his valuable summary, a role model of how to handle multiple comments. Robert Ginsburg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ABANCA at aol.com Tue Nov 28 17:55:30 2000 From: ABANCA at aol.com (ABANCA at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:55:30 EST Subject: attached hoax Message-ID: Good evening all, I got about 10 different letters of the same kind. I did report them to the FBI division of Internet scams and they responded that they were aware of it. i forwarded every email address I got them from, and... it will be up to them to find these people. It never, never fails: if it's too good to be true... well, you know... Angela B. Schmidlapp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001128/7e60699b/attachment.html From bpotter at irf.org Tue Nov 28 21:26:30 2000 From: bpotter at irf.org (Potter at Island Resources) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:26:30 -0500 Subject: attached hoax In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's funny, I get about four or five of these letters in hard copy (often written in pencil) and mailed from Nigeria---it never occurred to me to report them to the FBI division of snail mail scams.... bp ================== At 5:55 PM -0500 11/28/00, ABANCA at aol.com wrote: >Good evening all, >I got about 10 different letters of the same kind. I did report them to the >FBI division of Internet scams and they responded that they were aware of it. >i forwarded every email address I got them from, and... it will be up to them >to find these people. > >It never, never fails: if it's too good to be true... well, you know... >Angela B. 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Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From d.fenner at aims.gov.au Wed Nov 29 15:45:01 2000 From: d.fenner at aims.gov.au (Doug Fenner) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:45:01 Subject: aquariums save reefs? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001129154501.00b7a550@email.aims.gov.au> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 7437 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001129/47b6e172/attachment.bin From florit at hudat.com Wed Nov 29 01:32:57 2000 From: florit at hudat.com (Louis Florit) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 01:32:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: attached hoax In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ladies and gentlemen, we certainly appreciate your warning, but its my feeling that this off coral-list topic should not be discussed on the email list. I would request that virus warnings, email hoaxes and other topics NOT be submitted to the list unless they are directly affecting the list users. We all recieve tons of spam email and should be netsavvy enough to not deal with things that are too good to be true, questionable in nature and so on. Louis Florit ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From EricHugo at aol.com Wed Nov 29 08:13:01 2000 From: EricHugo at aol.com (EricHugo at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:13:01 EST Subject: aquariums save reefs? Message-ID: <48.e25a5c2.27565add@aol.com> Hi Doug: While I agree with many of your points, I would like to add the following thoughts. First, it does not take much skill anymore to grow corals in aquaria. It does take some knowledge or good information, and it does take some amount of patience and effort. However, even a newcomer to the hobby can realize coral growth succesfully with hundreds of species from the get-go. Nonetheless, you are disconcertingly correct that the way things are now, the situation is realistically a wasteful one way ticket out of the ocean - at least in terms of wild collection - and there are many reasons for this beyond the scope of this post. Still, I don't at all agree with your idea to switch to freshwater systems (which have their own problems, in many cases). I think there are much better solutions, including mariculture. As it stands right now, entire aquariums can be stocked with several hundred species already being farmed, cultured, bred, or traded. Several thousand more show up over time as part of the stocking procedure (even of maricultured stock). We regulalry combine small amounts of sand from various systems to increase biodiversity of amphipods, polychaetes,e tc. We trade plankton. We grow corals faster than the ocean. We observe behavior 24 hours a day, seven days a week, with systems that have little input (nearly closed) and a biodiversity that can be higher than many coral reefs. My poster on unreported forms of asesxual reproduction in scleractinia at 9ICRS was based entirely on aquarium observations and several scientists from very different countries noted they had seen something similar in the wild, but had thought, in that quick snapshot of observation that is diving, that it was a coral tissue injury. Furthermore, and while a lofty and perhaps even logistically remote possibility, keeping one million aquarists with the notion that their efforts may be used for replenisment provides a proper motivation and direction for aquaristic futures, and helps remove the "disposable fish" mentality. Techniques developed and tried in home and public aquaria are being used in restoration and replenishment and mariculture operations. At least this particular aquarist is fairly involved in the scientific community and has published to prove it - and funded solely out of his pocket and interest and concern. Alienating or dismissing a group where many have skills, observations, and knowledge equal to or above many on this list, I fear, removes the likelihood of cooperation between related disciplines. I have long felt that using aquarists and divers along with scientists can provide meaningful benefits to stopping coral reef destruction. Some efforts may be trivial, some perhaps far more meaningful. There are problems that need to be addressed, but dismissing the cumulative resource that aquarists could (and have indicated that they would) work toward, support, develop, and provide both voluntarily and willingly is a bit disappointing. Eric Borneman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From kat1003 at cus.cam.ac.uk Wed Nov 29 09:41:21 2000 From: kat1003 at cus.cam.ac.uk (kat1003 at cus.cam.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:41:21 +0000 Subject: Reef Encounter - Call For Contributions Message-ID: <551304929.975508881@cugd-pc-176.geog.cam.ac.uk> NEWSLETTER OF THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR REEF STUDIES News, Views and Reviews REEF ENCOUNTER No. 28. COMING IN THE CURRENT ISSUE (DECEMBER) A coral consensus on past climate variability? Tales from Tubbataha Giant barrel sponge necrosis Listening to the problem - hydrophones and blast fishing AGRRA in Jamaica Book reviews Student opportunities and awards If you are interested in joining the society and receiving Reef Encounter and the journal Coral Reefs, you can find more details on the web page. www.uncwil.edu/isrs. REEF ENCOUNTER No. 29. CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS Reef Encounter is looking for articles for the next issue (due out for our new schedule in March 2001). We welcome contributions from 300 - 1200 words on any aspect of reef studies, including news, comments, short reviews (but not original scientific data) and also illustrations/cartoons. Our final deadline is 1st January, but we appreciate receiving early contributions. Please send your ideas for articles and the articles themselves to our email address ReefEncounter at bigfoot.com. You will receive an email acknowledgment from one of the editors within a couple of days (if you don't please check back!). Illustrations and hard copy can be mailed to the following address: Maggie Watson, C/o . PO. Box 305498 PMB 158 St. Thomas VI00803 U. S. Virgin Islands If you need style guidelines, take a look at recent back issues at the society's webpage www.uncwil.edu/isrs. Thank you! Maggie Watson Kristian Teleki, Maria Joao Rodrigues ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From corvid at mindspring.com Wed Nov 29 10:00:50 2000 From: corvid at mindspring.com (_._.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:00:50 -0600 Subject: attached hoax In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:32 AM -0500 11/29/00, Louis Florit wrote: >Ladies and gentlemen, we certainly appreciate your warning, but its my >feeling that this off coral-list topic should not be discussed on the >email list. > >I would request that virus warnings, email hoaxes and other topics NOT be >submitted to the list unless they are directly affecting the list users. >We all recieve tons of spam email and should be netsavvy enough to not >deal with things that are too good to be true, questionable in nature and >so on. > >Louis Florit Dear Louis: Thank you for your comments about off-topic postings to the coral list. Every day I receive enough SPAM to feed a small pack of hungry carnivores, assuming that they are not very choosy about what they eat. Golly, but I would have a nice life if only I had enough money to buy all of the stocks touted, to take advantage of all of the investment opportunities passed on, to enjoy all of the vacations, discounts on car rentals, and so on. I have even been offered the opportunity of purchasing a Ph.D. in the field of my choice. Mind you, this was a "private" offer, not available to just any member of the public, and I did give it all the consideration it deserved. In the final end, I realized that I could not at this time afford to purchase another degree, so it was back to my Teaching Assistantship, back to my laboratory, and back to the paper chase! Each of us is netsavvy to one degree or other...some of us are lightyears more savvy than others. Ever sit at the computer, drinking Jolt Cola and eating Cheese Doodles, and wonder what happened to the glory days of the DARPA Net? To the days when it could take 24 or more hours to send an email message to a colleague half a world away? To the days before the public could access the net? The original warning, and the follow-up messages, were posted to the list for precisely the reason that someone thought they did affect list members. To them I say "Thank You!" But I would also suggest they check sites such as http://www.urbanlegends.com http://www.nonprofit.net/hoax/default.htm , and http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ before accepting some of this stuff on face value. Oh...I almost forgot to mention that your post asking for fewer off-topic postings to the list was off topic. Education is a wonderful thing! But the ListMOMs made necessary by moderated lists, and the prior-restraint censorship they impose, aren't so wonderful. Christopher J. Crow "Now, I'm liberal, but to a degree I want ev'rybody to be free But if you think that I'll let Barry Goldwater Move in next door and marry my daughter You must think I'm crazy! I wouldn't let him do it for all the farms in Cuba." (Zimmerman, Robert. 1964. I Shall Be Free No. 10: Another Side of Bob Dylan, Columbia Records, New York) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From lesk at bio.bu.edu Wed Nov 29 10:19:47 2000 From: lesk at bio.bu.edu (Les Kaufman) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:19:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: aquariums save reefs? In-Reply-To: <48.e25a5c2.27565add@aol.com> Message-ID: One thing that aquarists should definitely be doing, is raising public awareness of the plight of coral reefs around the world. The current rate of degredation of coral reefs is on par in scale and significance with any other global environmental catstrophe we are now facing, but most important, it is the first to manifest itself unambiguously. It is both a terrible loss that can be at least softened, and a harbinger of worse to come. The media is vast- newspapers, magazines, television, film- and at minimum, all it takes is an avalanche of letters to editors to widen awareness of an issue, and that catalyzes action. With so many aquarists, I am surprised that there isn't more of an organized resistance movement driven by aquarists, constantly pushing the need for coastal and riparian conservation, grassroots support for curbs on global warming, and for leadership and flexibility in international negotiations by some of the more recalcitrant participating nations....for example, the US? Les Kaufman Boston University Marine Program Department of Biology 5 Cummington Street Boston, MA 02215 lesk at bio.bu.edu 617-353-5560 office 617-353-6965 lab 617-353-6340 fax ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From julian at twolittlefishies.com Wed Nov 29 10:39:28 2000 From: julian at twolittlefishies.com (Julian Sprung) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:39:28 -0500 Subject: aquariums save reefs? Message-ID: <1236631667-26930832@mail.petsforum.com> Dear Doug, While I agree with most of your arguments, I think you may have missed the point of proponents of the idea that aquariums save reefs. The harvest of marinelife for aquariums, managed properly, is something we really should promote because it promotes reef conservation. Putting aside for the moment the potential risk to rare species, the harvest of fist sized or smaller, few months to 2 year old colonies of common species is demonstrably harmless to the environment and therefore provides an industry that promotes reef conservation by giving value to the reef resource. Doing so, as you know, tends to prevent local human activities that would harm the resource (ie. dynamite or cyanide fishing among others). The locals given a steady source of income from the harvest of small live corals protect their source of income, and that resource is perpetual because the rate of harvest has so little impact on it. One could argue that the dive industry, which I also support, similarly promotes reef conservation by giving value to the resource, as it certainly does, but it does so with a bigger impact environmentally in that it also promotes the building of resorts and other supporting facilities, and brings more pollution. Will aquariums save reefs from global warming? Certainly not. The notion of giving back to mother nature what's grown in the widespread population of home aquariums is certainly far-fetched, I agree. Furthermore, home aquariums, even expertly maintained with corals growing like weeds, are nearly always a "hodge podge" of stuff from all over the place, so they do not segregate regional diversity in the way that would be required were they to be used for re-introductions of any kind. However, a program of setting up national regional "botanical garden" variety aquariums as genetic diversity conservatories in the regions of the reefs themselves has potential merit if anyone wishes to save LOCAL diversity of the fast growing and also fast dying corals like Acropora or Seriatopora. I agree that we really don't need to do this, but it could also be argued that such a program would work if managed properly, and at relatively low expense. Perpetuating the life of the extremely rare and threatened species you mentioned in your post could easily be done with clonal propagation techniques in aquaria. Again, it is not necessary to do so, and if it is the destiny of such corals to go extinct without our intervention to prevent it, so be it. But we really do have the ability to use aquaria to insure their survival. Even if a local government has no interest in such a program, I'm sure that a public aquarium would be interested, given the permission. Public aquariums have done this with some threatened freshwater fish species. In fact, when a population of a single coral species is so localized and small, aquarium propagation is the only means I can think of to insure its survival. While there are many issues to address concerning the aquarium industry, I just wanted to focus my reply on the topic you discussed. I want to add that members of this list should be familiar with the work being done by the Marine Aquarium Council to promote reef conservation and sustainable, ethical harvest and care of marinelife for aquariums. Please see there website or contact MAC for more information. 923 Nu'uanu Ave., Honolulu, Hawaii USA 96817 Phone: (+1 808) 550-8217 Fax: (+1 808) 550-8317 Email: paul.holthus at aquariumcouncil.org Website: www.aquariumcouncil.org Sincerely, Julian Sprung ---------- >From: Doug Fenner >To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov >Subject: aquariums save reefs? >Date: Wed, Nov 29, 2000, 3:45 PM > > A while back, someone suggested that since reefs were dying, perhaps one > could save things by setting up an aquarium and stocking it with species to > try to save as many as possible. Laudable as the intention is, I'm quite > skeptical of this approach. > > Briefly: reefs are highly threatened, but coral species may not be. And > aquariums, especially in beginners' hands, will save neither coral species > nor reefs. > > Longer argument: > First, global warming is predicted to cause massive and repeated > bleaching and death of reef corals within 20 years. Reefs are in grave > danger, but coral species, however, are not. Death of most individual > corals will still leave a few individuals of most species to carry on the species. > There are a few very rare species of coral that are in fact in danger, > but few people seem much concerned- for example, on the Pacific coast of > Panama there are 2 species of coral currently known from 5 colonies each. > If that's not endangered, I'd like to know what is. These numbers are > published, and yet as far as I know, there is no push to list them as > Endangered Species. CITIES (Convention on International Trade in > Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) has a list for Endangered > Species (Appendix I), but they are not on it. Instead, all corals, > including those whose populations may be in the billions of tons > (estimates, anyone?), are all on the Appendix II list of CITIES, so trade > is permitted, but permits required. The reason for this? To try to help > countries control the trade in corals for curios to gather dust on shelves > in homes, or to stock aquariums, to avoid the wholesale destruction of > reefs (i.e, to save reefs, not species). I remember hearing that dynamite > and dump trucks were used to collect corals in Florida years ago for the > shell shops; there wouldn't be much left there if that was allowed to continue. > As for other species on reefs, relatively few fish, molluscs, or other > macrofauna are probably at risk of species extinction in the near future. > A study of reef fish found only 5 species that were critically endangered > (2 of these probably already extinct), one that was endangered and 172 that > were vulnerable (out of about 1700 fish species). A list of all types of > marine animals facing extinction (or already extinct) on and off reefs > listed just 13 species, at least one of which (Banggai Cardinalfish) is not > facing immanent extinction. Some macrofauna may already be commercially > extinct and be locally extinct, like the largest giant clam, Tridacna > gigas, but the species is not close to global extinction. Without action > maybe it will be, but can we use it like the Spotted Owl in the US Pacific > Northwest to protect entire ecosystems? It doesn't require healthy reefs > to live, and is easily bred in mariculture, so it may be hard to argue that > we must save reefs in order to save that species. > I would guess that almost all of the world's coral reefs could be > "destroyed", that is 99% dead, without loosing very many species of > macrofauna (some, but not very many). A few individuals of each species > are likely to survive on most reefs. (maybe we need some serious research > to see how far I'm off the mark) Could be that we would loose genetic > diversity that would make them unable to adapt to a changing environment. > Might loose some microfauna- I understand there are some amphipods with > extremely restricted ranges. Shall we try to save entire coral reefs by > adopting the slogan "Save the amphipods"? Un-charismatic microfauna may > not help much. Reefs themselves are far more charismatic. Don't get me > wrong, I'm certainly not advocating reef destruction- quite the opposite- > but we need to distinguish reef destruction from species extinction- one > does not necessarily lead to the other. > One limit to my argument may be crucial- if bleaching that kills most of > the individual corals on a reef happens repeatedly without time for the > reef to recover (which is exactly what global warming will probably do), > soon even species will probably start to go extinct. The situation is > indeed very scary. The important thing is to stop the destruction of > reefs, not to argue about whether species will go extinct. > > Secondly, a home aquarium set up by a beginner is not going to help save > endangered species; rather, it is more likely to kill. Yes, corals can be > grown in aquariums and fragments spread to other aquariums and potentially > returned to the wild. Yes, more people are learning how to do this. Yes, > that's great. But the reality as far as I know is that you have to know > what you're doing, lots of people don't know yet, and fish shops continue > to sell large quantities of live coral and fish (taken from reefs) because > many or most home aquariums continue to be one way tickets- live things go > in, dead things come out. This is particularly likely for a beginner, but > also includes many or most public aquariums with large budgets- do you > really think they breed every fish species they have on display enough to > replace the fish that die? No way. Sad, but true. This does not diminish > all the great things that aquariums, public and private do, for education, > getting people to love the animals and be concerned for their protection, > etc. (fish life spans may even be longer in the aquarium) But those good > things don't change the fact that most aquariums are net consumers of > living things, not producers. > So my advice is if you want to get an aquarium, get one because you > think its beautiful, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're helping > to save a reef or a species. If you want to help a reef, get a freshwater > aquarium instead, and switch from that gas-guzzeling monster you (may) > drive into a highly fuel efficient vehicle, and push your government to > reduce CO2 emissions. So far, I know of no indication that people in > developed countries or wealthy people in developing countries are at all > inclined to give up big vehicles; on the contrary their popularity is > increasing. Americans produce 3 times the per capita CO2 that French do, > and 6 times the Chinese. (I read Australians even exceed Americans) -Doug > > Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000 (PDF document, by > Clive Wilkison, Global Coordinator) is now posted on the Global Coral > Reef Monitoring Network (GCRMN) page at: http://www.coral.noaa.gov/gcrmn/ > > Hoegh-Guldberg, O. 1999. Climate change, coral bleaching and the future of > the world's coral reefs. Marine and Freshwater Research 50: 839-866. > > Hawkins, J. P., C. M. Roberts & V. Clark. 2000. The threatened status of > restricted-range coral reef fish species. Animal Conservation 3: 81-88. > > Roberts, C. M. & J. P. Hawkins. 1999. Extinction risk in the sea. Trends > in Ecology and Evolution 14: 241-246. > > > Douglas Fenner, Ph.D. > Coral Biodiversity/Taxonomist > Australian Institute of Marine Science > PMB No 3 > Townsville MC > Queensland 4810 > Australia > phone 07 4753 4334 > e-mail: d.fenner at aims.gov.au > web: http://www.aims.gov.au > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US > National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list > and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, > http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on > subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From julian at twolittlefishies.com Wed Nov 29 13:00:58 2000 From: julian at twolittlefishies.com (Julian Sprung) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:00:58 -0500 Subject: FW: aquariums save reefs? Message-ID: <1236623181-27441099@mail.petsforum.com> I thought I cc'd this to the coral list but I did not get a copy so I'll try again- Julian ---------- From: "Julian Sprung" To: Doug Fenner Subject: Re: aquariums save reefs? Date: Wed, Nov 29, 2000, 10:39 AM Dear Doug, While I agree with most of your arguments, I think you may have missed the point of proponents of the idea that aquariums save reefs. The harvest of marinelife for aquariums, managed properly, is something we really should promote because it promotes reef conservation. Putting aside for the moment the potential risk to rare species, the harvest of fist sized or smaller, few months to 2 year old colonies of common species is demonstrably harmless to the environment and therefore provides an industry that promotes reef conservation by giving value to the reef resource. Doing so, as you know, tends to prevent local human activities that would harm the resource (ie. dynamite or cyanide fishing among others). The locals given a steady source of income from the harvest of small live corals protect their source of income, and that resource is perpetual because the rate of harvest has so little impact on it. One could argue that the dive industry, which I also support, similarly promotes reef conservation by giving value to the resource, as it certainly does, but it does so with a bigger impact environmentally in that it also promotes the building of resorts and other supporting facilities, and brings more pollution. Will aquariums save reefs from global warming? Certainly not. The notion of giving back to mother nature what's grown in the widespread population of home aquariums is certainly far-fetched, I agree. Furthermore, home aquariums, even expertly maintained with corals growing like weeds, are nearly always a "hodge podge" of stuff from all over the place, so they do not segregate regional diversity in the way that would be required were they to be used for re-introductions of any kind. However, a program of setting up national regional "botanical garden" variety aquariums as genetic diversity conservatories in the regions of the reefs themselves has potential merit if anyone wishes to save LOCAL diversity of the fast growing and also fast dying corals like Acropora or Seriatopora. I agree that we really don't need to do this, but it could also be argued that such a program would work if managed properly, and at relatively low expense. Perpetuating the life of the extremely rare and threatened species you mentioned in your post could easily be done with clonal propagation techniques in aquaria. Again, it is not necessary to do so, and if it is the destiny of such corals to go extinct without our intervention to prevent it, so be it. But we really do have the ability to use aquaria to insure their survival. Even if a local government has no interest in such a program, I'm sure that a public aquarium would be interested, given the permission. Public aquariums have done this with some threatened freshwater fish species. In fact, when a population of a single coral species is so localized and small, aquarium propagation is the only means I can think of to insure its survival. While there are many issues to address concerning the aquarium industry, I just wanted to focus my reply on the topic you discussed. I want to add that members of this list should be familiar with the work being done by the Marine Aquarium Council to promote reef conservation and sustainable, ethical harvest and care of marinelife for aquariums. Please see there website or contact MAC for more information. 923 Nu'uanu Ave., Honolulu, Hawaii USA 96817 Phone: (+1 808) 550-8217 Fax: (+1 808) 550-8317 Email: paul.holthus at aquariumcouncil.org Website: www.aquariumcouncil.org Sincerely, Julian Sprung ---------- >From: Doug Fenner >To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov >Subject: aquariums save reefs? >Date: Wed, Nov 29, 2000, 3:45 PM > > A while back, someone suggested that since reefs were dying, perhaps one > could save things by setting up an aquarium and stocking it with species to > try to save as many as possible. Laudable as the intention is, I'm quite > skeptical of this approach. > > Briefly: reefs are highly threatened, but coral species may not be. And > aquariums, especially in beginners' hands, will save neither coral species > nor reefs. > > Longer argument: > First, global warming is predicted to cause massive and repeated > bleaching and death of reef corals within 20 years. Reefs are in grave > danger, but coral species, however, are not. Death of most individual > corals will still leave a few individuals of most species to carry on the species. > There are a few very rare species of coral that are in fact in danger, > but few people seem much concerned- for example, on the Pacific coast of > Panama there are 2 species of coral currently known from 5 colonies each. > If that's not endangered, I'd like to know what is. These numbers are > published, and yet as far as I know, there is no push to list them as > Endangered Species. CITIES (Convention on International Trade in > Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) has a list for Endangered > Species (Appendix I), but they are not on it. Instead, all corals, > including those whose populations may be in the billions of tons > (estimates, anyone?), are all on the Appendix II list of CITIES, so trade > is permitted, but permits required. The reason for this? To try to help > countries control the trade in corals for curios to gather dust on shelves > in homes, or to stock aquariums, to avoid the wholesale destruction of > reefs (i.e, to save reefs, not species). I remember hearing that dynamite > and dump trucks were used to collect corals in Florida years ago for the > shell shops; there wouldn't be much left there if that was allowed to continue. > As for other species on reefs, relatively few fish, molluscs, or other > macrofauna are probably at risk of species extinction in the near future. > A study of reef fish found only 5 species that were critically endangered > (2 of these probably already extinct), one that was endangered and 172 that > were vulnerable (out of about 1700 fish species). A list of all types of > marine animals facing extinction (or already extinct) on and off reefs > listed just 13 species, at least one of which (Banggai Cardinalfish) is not > facing immanent extinction. Some macrofauna may already be commercially > extinct and be locally extinct, like the largest giant clam, Tridacna > gigas, but the species is not close to global extinction. Without action > maybe it will be, but can we use it like the Spotted Owl in the US Pacific > Northwest to protect entire ecosystems? It doesn't require healthy reefs > to live, and is easily bred in mariculture, so it may be hard to argue that > we must save reefs in order to save that species. > I would guess that almost all of the world's coral reefs could be > "destroyed", that is 99% dead, without loosing very many species of > macrofauna (some, but not very many). A few individuals of each species > are likely to survive on most reefs. (maybe we need some serious research > to see how far I'm off the mark) Could be that we would loose genetic > diversity that would make them unable to adapt to a changing environment. > Might loose some microfauna- I understand there are some amphipods with > extremely restricted ranges. Shall we try to save entire coral reefs by > adopting the slogan "Save the amphipods"? Un-charismatic microfauna may > not help much. Reefs themselves are far more charismatic. Don't get me > wrong, I'm certainly not advocating reef destruction- quite the opposite- > but we need to distinguish reef destruction from species extinction- one > does not necessarily lead to the other. > One limit to my argument may be crucial- if bleaching that kills most of > the individual corals on a reef happens repeatedly without time for the > reef to recover (which is exactly what global warming will probably do), > soon even species will probably start to go extinct. The situation is > indeed very scary. The important thing is to stop the destruction of > reefs, not to argue about whether species will go extinct. > > Secondly, a home aquarium set up by a beginner is not going to help save > endangered species; rather, it is more likely to kill. Yes, corals can be > grown in aquariums and fragments spread to other aquariums and potentially > returned to the wild. Yes, more people are learning how to do this. Yes, > that's great. But the reality as far as I know is that you have to know > what you're doing, lots of people don't know yet, and fish shops continue > to sell large quantities of live coral and fish (taken from reefs) because > many or most home aquariums continue to be one way tickets- live things go > in, dead things come out. This is particularly likely for a beginner, but > also includes many or most public aquariums with large budgets- do you > really think they breed every fish species they have on display enough to > replace the fish that die? No way. Sad, but true. This does not diminish > all the great things that aquariums, public and private do, for education, > getting people to love the animals and be concerned for their protection, > etc. (fish life spans may even be longer in the aquarium) But those good > things don't change the fact that most aquariums are net consumers of > living things, not producers. > So my advice is if you want to get an aquarium, get one because you > think its beautiful, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're helping > to save a reef or a species. If you want to help a reef, get a freshwater > aquarium instead, and switch from that gas-guzzeling monster you (may) > drive into a highly fuel efficient vehicle, and push your government to > reduce CO2 emissions. So far, I know of no indication that people in > developed countries or wealthy people in developing countries are at all > inclined to give up big vehicles; on the contrary their popularity is > increasing. Americans produce 3 times the per capita CO2 that French do, > and 6 times the Chinese. (I read Australians even exceed Americans) -Doug > > Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000 (PDF document, by > Clive Wilkison, Global Coordinator) is now posted on the Global Coral > Reef Monitoring Network (GCRMN) page at: http://www.coral.noaa.gov/gcrmn/ > > Hoegh-Guldberg, O. 1999. Climate change, coral bleaching and the future of > the world's coral reefs. Marine and Freshwater Research 50: 839-866. > > Hawkins, J. P., C. M. Roberts & V. Clark. 2000. The threatened status of > restricted-range coral reef fish species. Animal Conservation 3: 81-88. > > Roberts, C. M. & J. P. Hawkins. 1999. Extinction risk in the sea. Trends > in Ecology and Evolution 14: 241-246. > > > Douglas Fenner, Ph.D. > Coral Biodiversity/Taxonomist > Australian Institute of Marine Science > PMB No 3 > Townsville MC > Queensland 4810 > Australia > phone 07 4753 4334 > e-mail: d.fenner at aims.gov.au > web: http://www.aims.gov.au > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US > National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list > and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, > http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on > subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From james at winmarconsulting.com Wed Nov 29 16:23:53 2000 From: james at winmarconsulting.com (James Wiseman) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:23:53 -0600 Subject: aquariums save reefs? Message-ID: <9187DAFC4EB1D21196B50008C733ED9111FA41@WCS> Hi again from Texas Doug, I would like to post a link to an editorial that I wrote on this subject for www.reefs.org The editorial is titled "The Ethics of Reefkeeping Revisited." I think this editorial sums up the issues that aquarium hobbiests must struggle with. The editorial is posted at: http://www.reefs.org/editorial/september_2000.html In addition I would also like to share some thoughts on how hobbiests view the economics of "coral farming." I'm not going to repost any of their messages here for obvious reasons (certainly the wrong venue for that), but those that take an interest in the views of the hobbiests themselves may want to have a look at: http://www.reefs.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/012282.html Since the root cause of any impacts (be they positive or negative) to natural reefs due to the aquarium trade is _economics_ and the economics are driven largely by the purchasing dollars of American hobbiests, I think this is certainly relevant. Sincerely James Wiseman Winmar Consulting Services -----Original Message----- From: Doug Fenner [mailto:d.fenner at aims.gov.au] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:45 AM To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov Subject: aquariums save reefs? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tortugas South would include 60 square nm surrounding Riley?s Hump, capturing important spawning sites for snapper and grouper, and deep water habitat for other valuable species. The regulations for the Tortugas Ecological Reserve would prohibit taking of all marine life, as well as anchoring, mooring by vessels more than 100 feet in combined length and vessel discharge. Access to Tortugas North would be obtained through a no-cost, phone-in permit system. Activities in Tortugas South would be limited to permitted research or education projects, and continuous transit by vessels with fishing gear stowed. The new reserve will be intergrated into the existing three-level zone monitoring program for the Sanctuary. The Sanctuary received more than 4,000 comments on its draft plan for the Tortugas Ecological Reserve, of which more than 90% supported the no-take reserve as essential for protecting some of the healthiest and most diverse coral reefs in the Florida Keys region. The Sanctuary plans to publish final regulations for the Tortugas Ecological Reserve in January 2001. The FSEIS/SMP for the Tortugas Ecological Reserve is available on-line at www.fknms.nos.noaa.gov/tortugas. Paper copies are available from the Marathon, FL (USA) office by calling (305) 743-2437. -- Joanne M. Delaney Research Interpreter Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary (305) 743-2437 x32 joanne.delaney at noaa.gov http://www.fknms.nos.noaa.gov ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From JSobel at DCCMC.ORG Wed Nov 29 17:56:37 2000 From: JSobel at DCCMC.ORG (Jack Sobel) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:56:37 -0500 Subject: aquariums save reefs? Message-ID: <9188D24F318ED31198E300A0C9D81E0490C78D@smtp.dcccmc.org> In the previously posted message below, Julian Sprung wrote: "Putting aside for the moment the potential risk to rare species, the harvest of fist sized or smaller, few months to 2 year old colonies of common species is demonstrably harmless to the environment." While I am not an opponent of public aquaria and have had home aquaria at various times in my life, I strongly question this statement. It is neither obvious to me that such harvest is harmless to the environment or clear to me that this would be demonstrable even if it were. In fact, it would seem obvious to me that such harvest at some level would almost certainly cause harm and that it would be almost impossible to demonstrate that such harvest can not cause harm, even if this was the case. Can Julian or anyone elaborate on this? *********************************************************************** Jack A. Sobel, Director Ecosystem Program Center for Marine Conservation 1725 DeSales St. NW, Suite #600 Washington, DC 20036 Business Phone: (202) 429-5609 / (202) 857-3270 Business Fax: (202) 872-0619 Email: jsobel at dccmc.org *********************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: Julian Sprung [mailto:julian at twolittlefishies.com] Sent: November 29, 2000 10:39 AM To: Doug Fenner Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov Subject: Re: aquariums save reefs? Dear Doug, While I agree with most of your arguments, I think you may have missed the point of proponents of the idea that aquariums save reefs. The harvest of marinelife for aquariums, managed properly, is something we really should promote because it promotes reef conservation. Putting aside for the moment the potential risk to rare species, the harvest of fist sized or smaller, few months to 2 year old colonies of common species is demonstrably harmless to the environment and therefore provides an industry that promotes reef conservation by giving value to the reef resource. Doing so, as you know, tends to prevent local human activities that would harm the resource (ie. dynamite or cyanide fishing among others). The locals given a steady source of income from the harvest of small live corals protect their source of income, and that resource is perpetual because the rate of harvest has so little impact on it. One could argue that the dive industry, which I also support, similarly promotes reef conservation by giving value to the resource, as it certainly does, but it does so with a bigger impact environmentally in that it also promotes the building of resorts and other supporting facilities, and brings more pollution. Will aquariums save reefs from global warming? Certainly not. The notion of giving back to mother nature what's grown in the widespread population of home aquariums is certainly far-fetched, I agree. Furthermore, home aquariums, even expertly maintained with corals growing like weeds, are nearly always a "hodge podge" of stuff from all over the place, so they do not segregate regional diversity in the way that would be required were they to be used for re-introductions of any kind. However, a program of setting up national regional "botanical garden" variety aquariums as genetic diversity conservatories in the regions of the reefs themselves has potential merit if anyone wishes to save LOCAL diversity of the fast growing and also fast dying corals like Acropora or Seriatopora. I agree that we really don't need to do this, but it could also be argued that such a program would work if managed properly, and at relatively low expense. Perpetuating the life of the extremely rare and threatened species you mentioned in your post could easily be done with clonal propagation techniques in aquaria. Again, it is not necessary to do so, and if it is the destiny of such corals to go extinct without our intervention to prevent it, so be it. But we really do have the ability to use aquaria to insure their survival. Even if a local government has no interest in such a program, I'm sure that a public aquarium would be interested, given the permission. Public aquariums have done this with some threatened freshwater fish species. In fact, when a population of a single coral species is so localized and small, aquarium propagation is the only means I can think of to insure its survival. While there are many issues to address concerning the aquarium industry, I just wanted to focus my reply on the topic you discussed. I want to add that members of this list should be familiar with the work being done by the Marine Aquarium Council to promote reef conservation and sustainable, ethical harvest and care of marinelife for aquariums. Please see there website or contact MAC for more information. 923 Nu'uanu Ave., Honolulu, Hawaii USA 96817 Phone: (+1 808) 550-8217 Fax: (+1 808) 550-8317 Email: paul.holthus at aquariumcouncil.org Website: www.aquariumcouncil.org Sincerely, Julian Sprung ---------- >From: Doug Fenner >To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov >Subject: aquariums save reefs? >Date: Wed, Nov 29, 2000, 3:45 PM > > A while back, someone suggested that since reefs were dying, perhaps one > could save things by setting up an aquarium and stocking it with species to > try to save as many as possible. Laudable as the intention is, I'm quite > skeptical of this approach. > > Briefly: reefs are highly threatened, but coral species may not be. And > aquariums, especially in beginners' hands, will save neither coral species > nor reefs. > > Longer argument: > First, global warming is predicted to cause massive and repeated > bleaching and death of reef corals within 20 years. Reefs are in grave > danger, but coral species, however, are not. Death of most individual > corals will still leave a few individuals of most species to carry on the species. > There are a few very rare species of coral that are in fact in danger, > but few people seem much concerned- for example, on the Pacific coast of > Panama there are 2 species of coral currently known from 5 colonies each. > If that's not endangered, I'd like to know what is. These numbers are > published, and yet as far as I know, there is no push to list them as > Endangered Species. CITIES (Convention on International Trade in > Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) has a list for Endangered > Species (Appendix I), but they are not on it. Instead, all corals, > including those whose populations may be in the billions of tons > (estimates, anyone?), are all on the Appendix II list of CITIES, so trade > is permitted, but permits required. The reason for this? To try to help > countries control the trade in corals for curios to gather dust on shelves > in homes, or to stock aquariums, to avoid the wholesale destruction of > reefs (i.e, to save reefs, not species). I remember hearing that dynamite > and dump trucks were used to collect corals in Florida years ago for the > shell shops; there wouldn't be much left there if that was allowed to continue. > As for other species on reefs, relatively few fish, molluscs, or other > macrofauna are probably at risk of species extinction in the near future. > A study of reef fish found only 5 species that were critically endangered > (2 of these probably already extinct), one that was endangered and 172 that > were vulnerable (out of about 1700 fish species). A list of all types of > marine animals facing extinction (or already extinct) on and off reefs > listed just 13 species, at least one of which (Banggai Cardinalfish) is not > facing immanent extinction. Some macrofauna may already be commercially > extinct and be locally extinct, like the largest giant clam, Tridacna > gigas, but the species is not close to global extinction. Without action > maybe it will be, but can we use it like the Spotted Owl in the US Pacific > Northwest to protect entire ecosystems? It doesn't require healthy reefs > to live, and is easily bred in mariculture, so it may be hard to argue that > we must save reefs in order to save that species. > I would guess that almost all of the world's coral reefs could be > "destroyed", that is 99% dead, without loosing very many species of > macrofauna (some, but not very many). A few individuals of each species > are likely to survive on most reefs. (maybe we need some serious research > to see how far I'm off the mark) Could be that we would loose genetic > diversity that would make them unable to adapt to a changing environment. > Might loose some microfauna- I understand there are some amphipods with > extremely restricted ranges. Shall we try to save entire coral reefs by > adopting the slogan "Save the amphipods"? Un-charismatic microfauna may > not help much. Reefs themselves are far more charismatic. Don't get me > wrong, I'm certainly not advocating reef destruction- quite the opposite- > but we need to distinguish reef destruction from species extinction- one > does not necessarily lead to the other. > One limit to my argument may be crucial- if bleaching that kills most of > the individual corals on a reef happens repeatedly without time for the > reef to recover (which is exactly what global warming will probably do), > soon even species will probably start to go extinct. The situation is > indeed very scary. The important thing is to stop the destruction of > reefs, not to argue about whether species will go extinct. > > Secondly, a home aquarium set up by a beginner is not going to help save > endangered species; rather, it is more likely to kill. Yes, corals can be > grown in aquariums and fragments spread to other aquariums and potentially > returned to the wild. Yes, more people are learning how to do this. Yes, > that's great. But the reality as far as I know is that you have to know > what you're doing, lots of people don't know yet, and fish shops continue > to sell large quantities of live coral and fish (taken from reefs) because > many or most home aquariums continue to be one way tickets- live things go > in, dead things come out. This is particularly likely for a beginner, but > also includes many or most public aquariums with large budgets- do you > really think they breed every fish species they have on display enough to > replace the fish that die? No way. Sad, but true. This does not diminish > all the great things that aquariums, public and private do, for education, > getting people to love the animals and be concerned for their protection, > etc. (fish life spans may even be longer in the aquarium) But those good > things don't change the fact that most aquariums are net consumers of > living things, not producers. > So my advice is if you want to get an aquarium, get one because you > think its beautiful, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're helping > to save a reef or a species. If you want to help a reef, get a freshwater > aquarium instead, and switch from that gas-guzzeling monster you (may) > drive into a highly fuel efficient vehicle, and push your government to > reduce CO2 emissions. So far, I know of no indication that people in > developed countries or wealthy people in developing countries are at all > inclined to give up big vehicles; on the contrary their popularity is > increasing. Americans produce 3 times the per capita CO2 that French do, > and 6 times the Chinese. (I read Australians even exceed Americans) -Doug > > Status of Coral Reefs of the World: 2000 (PDF document, by > Clive Wilkison, Global Coordinator) is now posted on the Global Coral > Reef Monitoring Network (GCRMN) page at: http://www.coral.noaa.gov/gcrmn/ > > Hoegh-Guldberg, O. 1999. Climate change, coral bleaching and the future of > the world's coral reefs. Marine and Freshwater Research 50: 839-866. > > Hawkins, J. P., C. M. Roberts & V. Clark. 2000. The threatened status of > restricted-range coral reef fish species. Animal Conservation 3: 81-88. > > Roberts, C. M. & J. P. Hawkins. 1999. Extinction risk in the sea. Trends > in Ecology and Evolution 14: 241-246. > > > Douglas Fenner, Ph.D. > Coral Biodiversity/Taxonomist > Australian Institute of Marine Science > PMB No 3 > Townsville MC > Queensland 4810 > Australia > phone 07 4753 4334 > e-mail: d.fenner at aims.gov.au > web: http://www.aims.gov.au > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US > National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list > and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, > http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on > subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). 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Oh" >Subject: Sea Grant-NMFS Graduate Fellowships >Cc: ca-sgep at ucdavis.edu > >The National Sea Grant College Program and the National Marine >Fisheries Service have announced the second round of the joint >graduate fellowship program in Population Dynamics and Marine >Resource Economics. The notice for this fellowship program has been >published in the Federal Register on November 28, 2000 and can be >accessed on the website at >http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2000_registe >r&docid=00-30219-filed.pdf. *** > >1) Population Dynamics Fellowship Program- The fellowship will >provide up to three years of support for highly qualified graduate >students working towards a Ph.D. in population dynamics or related >fields of study such as applied mathematics, statistics, or >quantitative ecology. > >2) Marine Resource Economics Fellowship Program- The fellowship will >provide up to two years of support for highly qualified graduate >students working towards a Ph.D. in marine resource economics, >natural resource economics, or environmental economics. > >In addition to their major professor, Fellows for both programs will >be required to work closely with a mentor from NMFS who will provide >data for a thesis, be available to serve on the Fellow's committee, >and act as host for an annual summer internship at a participating >NMFS facility. Two fellowships will be awarded in each of the above >two programs in June 2001. > >The application deadline is February 15, 2001. > >Details of the fellowship program, application guidelines, and forms >are available on the National Sea Grant Office website >(http://www.nsgo.seagrant.org/research/index.html). > >*** NOTE: The telephone area code listed in the Federal Register >notice for the University of California Sea Grant Program is >incorrect. The area code has been changed from 619 to 858. > >Shauna Oh >California Sea Grant College Program >www-csgc.ucsd.edu >(858) 534-4440 >(858) 534-2231 (fax) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From james at winmarconsulting.com Wed Nov 29 16:23:53 2000 From: james at winmarconsulting.com (James Wiseman) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:23:53 -0600 Subject: aquariums save reefs? Message-ID: <9187DAFC4EB1D21196B50008C733ED9111FA41@WCS> Hi again from Texas Doug, I would like to post a link to an editorial that I wrote on this subject for www.reefs.org The editorial is titled "The Ethics of Reefkeeping Revisited." I think this editorial sums up the issues that aquarium hobbiests must struggle with. The editorial is posted at: http://www.reefs.org/editorial/september_2000.html In addition I would also like to share some thoughts on how hobbiests view the economics of "coral farming." I'm not going to repost any of their messages here for obvious reasons (certainly the wrong venue for that), but those that take an interest in the views of the hobbiests themselves may want to have a look at: http://www.reefs.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/012282.html Since the root cause of any impacts (be they positive or negative) to natural reefs due to the aquarium trade is _economics_ and the economics are driven largely by the purchasing dollars of American hobbiests, I think this is certainly relevant. Sincerely James Wiseman Winmar Consulting Services -----Original Message----- From: Doug Fenner [mailto:d.fenner at aims.gov.au] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:45 AM To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov Subject: aquariums save reefs? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001129/099b5019/attachment-0001.html From mcall at superaje.com Thu Nov 30 10:24:23 2000 From: mcall at superaje.com (Don McAllister) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:24:23 -0500 Subject: aquariums save reefs? References: <9188D24F318ED31198E300A0C9D81E0490C78D@smtp.dcccmc.org> Message-ID: <3A267127.99809889@superaje.com> Jack Sobel wrote: > In the previously posted message below, Julian Sprung wrote: "Putting aside > for the moment the potential risk to rare species, the harvest of fist sized > or smaller, few months to 2 year old colonies of common species is > demonstrably harmless to the environment." While I am not an opponent of > public aquaria and have had home aquaria at various times in my life, I > strongly question this statement. There is another side to this quesition. "Vegetative" propogation from fragments results in lower genetic diversity. Yes, a certain amount of that goes on in nature, but there is also sexual reproduction. The latter method is important in maintaining genetic diversity to combat variable environemental conditions, but also to combat, in so far as this is possible, environmental trends like climate warming. We should learn from the ailments of genetically narrow agricultural varieties, that this enhances attacks by pests and diseases - an attack that is already underway with corals for reasons that we do not entirely understand. Tom Goreau and colleagues electro-enhancement techniques, which work even under conditions of stress, deserve more attention in this regard. don Don McAllister Ocean Voice International ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From phil.pepe at pcmail.maricopa.edu Thu Nov 30 15:10:30 2000 From: phil.pepe at pcmail.maricopa.edu (Phil Pepe) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:10:30 -0700 Subject: URL for Reef Education Network Message-ID: <3A26B421.E103D0A4@pcmail.maricopa.edu> I have visited and used the Reef Education Network's web site for teaching coral reef ecology. The URL I used does not work any longer. However, it still appears the same in lists provided by search engines: Reef Education Network Learn about coral reefs like the Great Barrier Reef and the many creatures that live in, on and around them. http://www.reef.edu.au found in: Science > Biology > Zoology > Radiata Does anyone know the new URL of this wonderful site? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: phil.pepe.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 208 bytes Desc: Card for Phil Pepe Url : http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/pipermail/coral-list-old/attachments/20001130/4562f510/attachment.vcf From oveh at uq.edu.au Thu Nov 30 15:33:49 2000 From: oveh at uq.edu.au (Ove Hoegh-Guldberg) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 06:33:49 +1000 Subject: URL for Reef Education Network In-Reply-To: <3A26B421.E103D0A4@pcmail.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: I have moved universities and am going to re-establish the web site within the next 3 weeks. I hope that will be in time. Apologies, Ove Professor Ove Hoegh-Guldberg Director, Centre for Marine Studies University of Queensland St Lucia, 4072, QLD Phone: +61 07 3365 4333 Fax: +61 07 3365 4755 Email: oveh at uq.edu.au http://www.marine.uq.edu.au/ohg/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:owner-coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov]On Behalf Of Phil Pepe Sent: Friday, 1 December 2000 6:11 AM To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov Subject: URL for Reef Education Network I have visited and used the Reef Education Network's web site for teaching coral reef ecology. The URL I used does not work any longer. However, it still appears the same in lists provided by search engines: Reef Education Network Learn about coral reefs like the Great Barrier Reef and the many creatures that live in, on and around them. http://www.reef.edu.au found in: Science > Biology > Zoology > Radiata Does anyone know the new URL of this wonderful site? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Reefsavior at aol.com Thu Nov 30 16:43:43 2000 From: Reefsavior at aol.com (Reefsavior at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:43:43 EST Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean - Runoff Message-ID: Listers, With respect to the sudden appearance of algae in the waters adjacent to coral reefs: I just returned from the Big Island of Hawaii. When I arrived on Nov. 5 there was an extraordinary bloom of stringy, suspended greenish-brown algae all down the Kona coast extending at least a mile out to sea. Local divers said they had never seen such conditions. Apart from the macroalgae, the water was fairly clear but occasionally seemed to have high concentrations of plankton at certain times of day. Shortly before my arrival, record rainfall caused heavy flooding in Hilo, washed out roads and produced unusual amounts of runoff on the Kona coast, especially where new construction is occurring. Has anyone seen such a bloom here before? Could it be due to the introduction of a large amount of terrigenous nutrients washed into the ocean from the intense rains? One of the possible side effects of this phenomenon was the appearance of a whale shark south of Kailua-Kona a mile or two out to sea. I was able to swim with it and capture some video-tape, a rare pleasure which even some locals have never had. Stosh Thompson Tropical Marine Biodiversity Trust ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) sponsors coral-list and the Coral Health and Monitoring Program (CHAMP, http://www.coral.noaa.gov). Please visit the Web site for instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Oceanwatch at aol.com Wed Nov 29 10:34:24 2000 From: Oceanwatch at aol.com (Oceanwatch at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:34:24 EST Subject: The Trouble with our Ocean Message-ID: <200012011923.TAA22568@coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Coral Listers: I'll post only because I am one of those advocates who uses the economic value of reefs in arguing for funding and stronger protection in our national and international policies. Part of what I read is a concern that we demean the resource or diminish other values when we attach a dollar value to reefs, and that such valuations have not always influenced decision makers to do the right thing. I believe nonetheless that if we argue only on biological terms and ignore the economics, we lose a powerful case that must be made. Government and commerce expect to hear the usual environmentalist rhetoric for natural resources based on their intrinsic value. But without a clear sense of their total value to society, decisionmakers are likelier to make bad decisions about coral reefs. Yes, we need to do a better job of quantifying and articulating the economic value of reefs, especially to shift away from consumptive uses. We have a long way to go. It's paradoxical too for the fishing industry to hear that they can actually expect to find more fish elsewhere if we shut them down in a marine protected area. Economic impacts are a key component of regulatory decisions in the U.S. system. But hardball politics flavor every decision, especially for those like Don MacAlister fighting in the trenches of places like the Philippines. I believe that we need every tool in that fight. We just need to round out the argument with biological, ecological and social benefits, too. Ursula has pointed out the need for education, especially because the tourists can't discriminate between a healthy reef or an algae-dominated reef. But I found the post on the German divers shopping around at the Das Boot convention for "unbleached" dive destinations a very telling indication that consumers can be savvy. Diving of course is a formalized training system and a sport that requires more than the casual choices that snorkelers make. But armed with the right information, snorkelers may also start to get the picture. (A commercial break from our sponsors.) That is why Oceanwatch has developed Protect the Living Reef, two videos and training programs in responsible diving and snorkeling and reef protection. Oceanwatch will release the program with PADI Project AWARE at the annual DEMA (dive and tourism show) in January. Just my two cents Cliff McCreedy ><((;> ><((;> ><((;> Oceanwatch 2101 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 900 Arlington, VA 22201 phone 703-351-7444 fax 703-351-7472 e-mail: Oceanwatch at aol.com http://www.oceanwatch2000.org