[Coral-List] Lionfish in the Atlantic
Todd Barber-Clear
reefball at reefball.com
Tue Feb 19 18:29:00 EST 2008
Hi JC,
For what it is worth, I recall seeing a review of a scientific publication
in Science News a while back that genetic information had indeed been
collected and it was determined the Lionfish (in NC and Bahamas) were from a
single mother....therefore pointing a likely introduction source as an
aquarium release.
I believe the conclusion was that the release must have been in NC and not
Miami as originally thought. I would suggest a literature search and review
of the original article.
There has been rumor here in NC that the original release was from a dive
shop employee trying to make an exciting dive destination (this may be only
urban legend).
Thanks,
Todd R. Barber
Chairman, Reef Ball Foundation
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----- Original Message -----
From: <delbeek at waquarium.org>
To: "Szmant, Alina" <szmanta at uncw.edu>; "Douglas Fenner"
<dfenner at blueskynet.as>; "Craig Lilyestrom" <craig at caribe.net>; "Lee
Goldman" <coralfarmguam at yahoo.com>
Cc: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Lionfish in the Atlantic
>I would think that doing some genetic work on these fish to determine how
> closely related they are would help in determining their possible origin.
> Blaming the aquarium trade for this situation is all too convenient and
> lacks
> any objective evidence. If these fish came from aquarium releases, then
> one
> would expect all these fish off the east coast to be pretty closely
> related.
> The sheer numbers of fish being reported indicates to me the possibility
> of a
> much larger breeding population as being the more likely source, then a
> few
> aquarium releases. Hopefully a genetic study would shed more light on
> this??
>
> I don't know that gobies and blennies would be as much affected as
> juveniles
> that school like grunts, cardinalfish, snappers etc ... these are the
> types of
> fish I have seen lionfish stalking most often, not benthic species.
>
> Back in the 50's I think it was, the state of Hawaii imported Peacock
> Groupers
> (Cephalopholis argus) into Hawaii to create another food fish source for
> anglers and spear fishermen. Unfortunately, these fish are prone to
> ciguatera
> and so are not hunted much. Similarly, the state introduced Bluestriped
> snappers (Lutjanus kasmira) decades ago, which have since exploded in
> number
> and now are suspected of out competing local deepwater snappers for food.
> These were both mass introductions that resulted in breeding populations.
> No
> one has commented on how these introductions affected local fish
> populations,
> especially tropical fish targeted by collectors. There have been several
> sightings of tropical fish in Hawaiian waters that were most likely the
> result
> of aquarium releases or perhaps premeditated introductions (Primarily
> angelfish and surgeonfish/tangs), but I don't think ANY of these have
> exploded
> in number or created significant breeding populations in the Hawaiian
> Islands
> like we are seeing off the east coast of the US with lionfish. The lone
> exception may be the Marshall Islands form of Flame angel off of West
> Hawaii
> but I am not 100% sure of these reports. Again, genetic work might help
> clear
> this up.
>
> At least in the state of Hawaii, to the best of my knowledge, only fish
> that
> were released in LARGE numbers have establish themselves in significant
> numbers in the Hawaiian Islands.
>
> Aloha!
> J.C. Delbeek
>
> Disclaimer: The above is just my opinion and does necessarily reflect
> those of
> my employer.
>
>
> "Szmant, Alina" <szmanta at uncw.edu> said:
>
>> The lion fish here off of NC are everywhere offshore. And I saw a dive
>> article about there abundance elsewhere in Caribbean. They are
>> definitely established in the Atlantic, and can now be considered
>> invasive. They'll probably have a major effect on small reef fishes
>> such as gobies and blennies.
>>
>> *******************************************************************
>> Dr. Alina M. Szmant
>> Coral Reef Research Group
>> UNCW-Center for Marine Science
>> 5600 Marvin K. Moss Ln
>> Wilmington NC 28409
>> Tel: (910)962-2362 & Fax: (910)962-2410
>> Cell: (910)200-3913
>> email: szmanta at uncw.edu
>> Web Page: http://people.uncw.edu/szmanta
>> ******************************************************************
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>> [mailto:coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov] On Behalf Of Douglas
>> Fenner
>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:07 PM
>> To: Craig Lilyestrom; Lee Goldman
>> Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Live coral trade - Philippine exports
>>
>> Good point. Currently, several Pacific fish species are being found in
>> Florida and elsewhere, particularly Lionfish, and the numbers of the
>> latter
>> at least indicate that the genie is out of the bottle, it sounds to me
>> like
>> an introduced species that is going to be invasive. They were released
>> by
>> people from their aquariums into the ocean. I hear from aquarium people
>>
>> that there are a variety of diseases and parasites that show up in
>> aquaria,
>> including coral diseases I believe. I could easily imagine a disease or
>>
>> parasite, say on coral, coming from the Pacific, being released from an
>> aquarium in Florida, and having potentially severe effects there and
>> throughout the Caribbean. Doesn't seem too far fetched. -Doug
>>
>
>
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