[Coral-List] dead whalesharks in Georgia Aquarium (Charles Delbeek)

[tim ecott]

Charles - i'm not sure which facts i have got wrong?  please enlighten me. i did not deny that there were currently any living whalesharks in the Georgia Aquarium. But it is a matter of public record that the two star attractions when the aquarium opened were the sharks named 'Ralph' and 'Norton' who subsequently died. According to the aquarium 'necroscopies' the first shark died of peritonitis - possibly caused by a perforation during forced feeding. The aquarium spokespeople claimed that for 'some reason the shark had an abnormally thin stomach wall'. Another theory mooted when the second shark died was that they had been poisoned by an anti-parasitic medicine administered to the tanks. But it is of course entirely up to you if you choose to endorse the capture and of whalesharks. I am happy to know that some aquariums have good standards - but I personally would rather the whalesharks were not airlifted +10,000 miles for public entertainment.Tim Ecott 

> From: coral-list-request at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Subject: Coral-List Digest, Vol 2, Issue 11> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:00:01 -0400> > Send Coral-List mailing list submissions to> coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> coral-list-request at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> > You can reach the person managing the list at> coral-list-owner at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Coral-List digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Underwater videos Rigs (Greg Challenger)> 2. Offshore Drilling vs Removal of Offshore Platforms (Steve Kolian)> 3. Re: Atlantis Dubai whale shark (Jeremy Sofonia)> 4. Re: 2. Re: Atlantis Dubai whale shark (Sarah Frias-Torres)> (tim ecott)> 5. Accreditation (Brian Nelson)> 6. THE ECO-KIDS (Sarah Frias-Torres)> 7. Re: 2. Re: Atlantis Dubai whale shark (SarahFrias-Torres)> (Delbeek, Charles)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:59:16 -0700> From: "Greg Challenger" <gchallenger at msn.com>> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Underwater videos Rigs> To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>> Message-ID: <BLU107-DS2C087941DC002E70FB400B33A0 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > This quote from:> > Oil Spills: Impact on the Ocean> Water: Science and Issues<http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_gx5224>, (2003)<http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_gx5224/is_2003> by Carolyn Embach<http://findarticles.com/p/search?tb=art&qa=Carolyn+Embach>> > "It is estimated that approximately 706 million gallons of waste oil enter the ocean every year, with over half coming from land drainage and waste disposal; for example, from the improper disposal of used motor oil. Offshore drilling and production operations and spills or leaks from ships or tankers typically contribute less than 8 percent of the total. The remainder comes from routine maintenance of ships (nearly 20 percent), hydrocarbon particles from onshore air pollution (about 13 percent), and natural seepage from the seafloor (over 8 percent)."> > Prevalence during Drilling versus Transportation> > "Offshore oil spills or leaks may occur during various stages of well drilling or workover and repair operations. These stages can occur while oil is being produced from offshore wells, handled, and temporarily stored; or when oil is being transported offshore, either by flowline, underwater pipeline, or tanker. Of the approximately 706 million gallons of waste oil in the ocean each year, offshore drilling operations contribute about 2.1 percent, and transportation accidents (both ships and tankers) account for another 5.2 percent. The amount of oil spilled or leaked during offshore production operations is relatively insignificant."> > Greg Challenger> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve LeGore<mailto:slegore at mindspring.com> > To: Gene Shinn<mailto:eshinn at marine.usf.edu> ; coral-list at coral.aoml..noaa.gov<mailto:coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:40 PM> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Underwater videos Rigs> > > Do I correctly understand that statement to say, Gene, that of all the oil entering the oceans, 95% comes from shipping and land runoff, and that only 5% comes from all other sources -- including offshore production, air emissons, precipitation, etc? Or am I misunderstanding it?> > Steve> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Gene Shinn <eshinn at marine.usf.edu<mailto:eshinn at marine.usf.edu>>> >Sent: Oct 9, 2008 1:18 PM> >To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov<mailto:coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>> >Subject: [Coral-List] Underwater videos Rigs> >> >This subject seems to have elicited many thoughtful comments. As for > >invasive species I wonder how many rigs are being towed around the > >world versus tankers and container ships crisscrossing the oceans? I > >suspect this is another reason why we should find our own energy > >rather than have all those ships bring in invasive species. Might > >mention that there have been at least two National Academy of > >Sciences reports on oil in the oceans. I don't remember the exact > >numbers but on an annual basis it around 95% that goes into the > >oceans from shipping and land runoff. Gene> >-- > >> >> >No Rocks, No Water, No Ecosystem (EAS)> >------------------------------------ -----------------------------------> >E. A. Shinn, Courtesy Professor> >University of South Florida> >Marine Science Center (room 204)> >140 Seventh Avenue South> >St.. Petersburg, FL 33701> ><eshinn at marine.usf.edu<mailto:eshinn at marine.usf.edu>>> >Tel 727 553-1158---------------------------------- > >-----------------------------------> >_______________________________________________> >Coral-List mailing list> >Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> >http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list> > > Steve LeGore, Ph.D.> LeGore Environmental Associates, Inc.> 2804 Gulf Drive N.> Holmes Beach, Florida 34217 USA> Executive Director,> Association of Marine Laboratories of the Caribbean> Tel: 941/778-4650> Fax: 941/778-4650> Cell: 941/447-8010> E-mail: slegore at mindspring.com<mailto:slegore at mindspring.com>> http://www.developmentex.com/member/steve_legore<http://www.developmentex..com/member/steve_legore>> _______________________________________________> Coral-List mailing list> Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov<mailto:Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>> http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list<http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list>> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:12:48 -0500> From: Steve Kolian <stevekolian at hotmail.com>> Subject: [Coral-List] Offshore Drilling vs Removal of Offshore> Platforms> To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>> Message-ID: <BAY109-W3DA0E66EE4354005F8D5EB0350 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"> > Hello, > For many subscribers, offshore drilling in state and federal waters is a contentious political issue. In Louisiana, the political issue at hand is the removal of offshore platforms. These structures represent the only hard substratum which extends from the bottom of the continental shelf through the euphotic zone?in an area of thousands of miles is flat, featureless soft-bottom continental shelf. > > Currently, about 150-200 platforms are being removed (explosives) from the Gulf of Mexico each year. Approximately, 1,540 idle platforms are scheduled for removal. There are 3,400 platforms scheduled to be removed within the next 10-15 years. > > Offshore platforms have an average 17.5 year productive lifespan before they are removed. If they are properly maintained and avoid catastrophic weather events, they can remain standing for hundreds of years after their useful life in minerals production. They could be retrofitted to facilitate a number of eco-technology applications. Scores of alternate uses for retired platforms have been identified. These include: > > > The generation of energy from renewable resources, derived from wind, current, wave, ocean thermal, salinity gradients and bio-fuels;> Hydrogen production, i.e. the conversion of ocean energy and seawater into hydrogen via electrolysis;> Sequestration of greenhouse gases: MIT identified former marine petroleum fields as the safest place to store greenhouse gases. There are successful CO2 sequestration operations on offshore oil and gas platforms in the Nordic Sea. > Marine aquaculture, e.g. of coral and sponges, oyster depuration, non-cage mariculture of ornamental fish, etc; > Creation of marine sanctuaries; > Research labs;> Recreational fishing and diving parks; > Culture of pharmaceutically valuable marine organisms.> It is true that Tubastrea colonize the structures.. We are observing that the macro invertabrate community on offshore platforms changes over time. First a variety of mollusk and algea colonize the structure (year 1-5) then octocoral, algae, bryozoans, tunicates, (5-10) Tubastrea are one of the first hermatypic coral species to colonize the structures (year 8-12) later other coral colonize. Large sponges (year 8-15) We find other species of coral settling on areas above Tubastrea (year 15-20). Other conditions affect community composition: turbudity, salinity, temperature, type of corrosion control on structure, As you can imagine, there is a great variety of communities inhabiting the 3,800 structures across the continental shelf. > > Best Regards, Steve Kolian 225-910-0304 cell> _________________________________________________________________> See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:48:15 -0400 (EDT)> From: "Jeremy Sofonia" <jeremy at sofonia.com>> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Atlantis Dubai whale shark> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa..gov> Message-ID: <436b58c043cd5ed71759276a8aa5681d.squirrel at wm.sofonia.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1> > Thanks to Sarah for starting this discussion.> > So that others on the list may have some background - I'm pasting in some> text from a statement prepared by Kerzner International, the developer,> owner and operator of Atlantis.> > Have a read for yourself, but it seems 'a bit fishy' to me...> > Looking forward to more from the List,> > Jeremy> > > > "ATLANTIS, THE PALM CONTINUES MARINE LEADERSHIP WITH RESCUE OF WHALE SHARK> > Dubai, United Arab Emirates, September 9?> > Marine experts from Atlantis, The Palm resort rescued a struggling 4-metre> whale shark off the coast of Jebel Ali in Dubai on Thursday, 28 August> 2008. Found in the shallows, the whale shark was clearly under duress> when it was sighted by a local fisherman.> > In accordance with UAE maritime laws, the fisherman alerted the local> officials, including Environmental Officers and Environmental Health and> Safety. Aware that Atlantis, The Palm had started the first stranding> network in the Arabian Gulf, the authorities contacted the resort to see> how their marine life experts could assist the whale shark. Quickly> responding, the Atlantis team, which included marine biologists and> veterinarians with over 80 years of experience were dispatched to Jebel> Ali to assess the situation. Due to the high temperature and salinity of> the water, the decision was made to transport the whale shark to the 11> million litre Ambassador Lagoon at Atlantis, The Palm for medical care and> observation.> > The transport from Jebel Ali to The Palm Jumeirah and Atlantis, was> undertaken by local fisherman Hamad al Rahoomy with assistance from> Atlantis marine specialists. A custom-made transport unit with a highly> advanced marine life transport system was used to ensure the safety and> well-being of the animal.> > Since the arrival of the whale shark, the animal has been monitored 24> hours a day, including gathering extensive data on swim patterns, feeding> and behaviours. In addition, the Fish Husbandry team is in constant> contact with experts in the whale shark community sharing data and> behaviours. The health and well-being of all marine life is the number> one priority at Atlantis.> > Alan Leibman, President and Managing Director of Atlantis, The Palm> emphasizes, ?Atlantis, The Palm is proud to be able to offer our expertise> and recognized leadership in marine science to the United Arab Emirates. > The whale shark is an animal about which little is known and we hope that> we can add to the research and data that is available. Aquariums and> marine habitats have been the key to education about our oceans and the> animals that live in them. Education, conservation and research go hand> in hand to benefit all marine life.?> > > Throughout the expansive 46 hectare resort, more than 65,000 fish and sea> creatures representing over 250 species live within 42 million litres of> salt water. This harmony of marine life is managed by a team of more than> 165 full-time Marine Animal Specialists. The veterinarians, biologists,> aquarists, divers, laboratory mangers, food technicians, mechanics and> curators who tend to this delicate eco-system on a 24-hour basis have over> 200 years experience from world-renowned marine institutes and facilities> in Europe, Australia, South Africa, Philippines, The Bahamas and the> United States. Spearheading the development of the marine habitat at> Atlantis, The Palm are several team members who have worked at the> resort?s sister property - Atlantis, Paradise Island in The Bahamas. > These individuals have been party to some extraordinary births and> developments within the marine habitats ? in particular helping to> cultivate a thriving, natural environment for sharks.> > The Atlantis marine operation is an impressive technical feat. The over> 42 million litres of seawater are drawn from the Arabian Gulf into an> open-flow system through an almost four million litre reservoir, and then> sand filtered, infused and cleaned with ozone before flowing into the> marine habitats around the resort. This aquatic ecosystem mimics that> which the marine life would experience in the wild, with a constant change> in surroundings and seasonal changes in temperature.> > The marine habitat also features a fish hospital with quarantine pools for> newborns, ailing and acclimatising marine life. This state-of-the-art> feature enables the resort to serve as a rescue and rehabilitation centre> for sea life. Dedicated food preparation areas serve a daily menu of> restaurant-quality ?fish food? including shrimp, squid, sardines and> minnows for the marine animals at the resort. As an example of the> resort?s commitment to excellence and detail in every aspect of the marine> habitat, cases of romaine lettuces are served to herbivores, special food> blocks of dental plaster, pellets and powdered algae are fed to> parrotfish; and live shrimp are cultured and fed to jellyfish.> > With a strong commitment to dolphin and marine life conservation, Dolphin> Bay also serves as the first marine mammal rescue and rehabilitation> centre in Dubai. It is the only centre for stranded animals in the> Arabian Gulf. Every year, many injured marine animals are stranded and> need assistance. Now with Kerzner?s marine life expertise and new> facilities, some of these animals can be rescued, rehabilitated and> returned to the wild. The centre will also provide a broad range of> educational opportunities including graduate and undergraduate> programming, currently being developed in conjunction with universities> and local educational institutions.> > > About Whale Sharks:> The whale shark is the world?s largest living fish. When fully grown,> they have measured up to 14 metres in length. Despite their size, whale> sharks are harmless to humans. They are found throughout the world in> tropical and warm temperate seas, near the coast and in the open ocean,> consuming plankton and small fish. Whale sharks have wide mouths with> approximately 3000 small teeth at the front of their wide, flat heads.> > Relatively little is known about the whale shark. They are considered> solitary animals that swim slowly at the surface to feed. It was> originally thought that whale sharks laid eggs. However, it is now known> that whale sharks are live-bearing, producing litters of more than 300> ?pups? that measure only approximately 45-60 cm in length.> > The Atlantis Vision> Atlantis' Mission is to become the world's leader in marine animal> experiences there-by inspiring passionate participation in protecting our> oceans and creating life-long memories through entertainment, education,> conservation and research. Atlantis, The Palm?s aim is to implement> targeted scientific studies with local fishery and educational partners to> provide an enhanced marine knowledge of the waters surrounding the United> Arab Emirates. From these studies, a breed and release programme will be> initiated for various species, similar to the successful program at> Atlantis, Paradise Island with sea life found in the waters of The> Bahamas"> > > > > On Thu, October 9, 2008 13:38, Delbeek, Charles wrote:> > Actually the Georgia Aquarium has FOUR whale sharks and they were> > collected> > in Taiwan.> >> > Just because an institution does not belong to AZA or WAZA does NOT mean> > it> > is not capable or competent to keep marine life in captivity. Joining> > these> > associations is a matter of choice, it is not a requirement. Being in such> > as> > association ensures that certain standards are being met, but those> > standards> > can still be met or even exceeded whether you are a member or not. Also,> > it> > is not uncommon for new institutions to take a year or more to become> > accredited due to the extremely involved process and amount of paperwork> > that> > needs to be done; this can take up to two years. So even though Palm Dubai> > is> > not currently affiliated with any association it does not mean they won't> > soon be. Their sister institution in the Bahamas is accredited by AZA I> > believe.> >> > Sincerely,> >> > J. Charles Delbeek> >> > Reopening in Golden Gate Park 9.27.08> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> > [mailto:coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov] On Behalf Of Sarah> > Frias-Torres> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:18 AM> > To: William Allison; coral-list coral-list> > Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Atlantis Dubai whale shark> >> >> > Bill,"We must protect the wild ocean". This is one of the many messages> > that> > comes out of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature's> > Conference (IUCN), ocurring right now in Barcelona. I will not enter into> > a> > debate over captive vs non captive marine wildlife, although that could be> > the subject of another chain of emails. First, the facts.IUCN's red list,> > has> > whale sharks as VULNERABLE, although as scientists learn more about the> > species, it is possible that some local feeding grounds (where whale> > sharks> > aggregate) will be classfied as ENDANGERED. CITES lists the species under> > appendix II, as a species not threatened by extinction but trade needs to> > be> > controlled in order to avoid utilization incompatible with survival. If> > you> > go into the details of permits, etc, you find an interesting clause that> > says:"in the case of a live animal....it must be prepared/shipped to> > minimize> > any risk of injury, damage or health or CRUEL TREATMENT. As for keeping a> > whale shark> > or any wildlife (terrestrial or marine) in captivity, in the USA, the> > AZA> > (Association of Zoos and Aquariums) has set up a series of very> > restrictive> > and demanding conditions in order for an aquarium to earn accreditation..> > Those regulations involve adequate husbandry, and justification of having> > the> > captive animal, which usually involves setting up quite an extensive long> > term educational and research program, as well as a captive reproductive> > program whenever possible. Within the USA, the Georgia Aquarium has> > successfully kep alive two juvenile whale sharks, which were originally> > captured in Indonesia, and ready to be killed. This aquarium is fully> > accreditted by AZA, and has established an extremely active research and> > educational program on the species. The international sister of AZA is....> > WAZA (the World Association of Zoos and Aquariums) which follows equally> > restrictive and demading regulations for institutions to earn> > accreditation.> > The Atlantic Hotel in the Palm, D> > ubai, is NOT accredited under WAZA to keep any marine wildlife captive..> > You> > can go to the WAZA web site, and check for the list of accredited> > institutions yourself. In conclusion, the Atlantic Hotel in the Palm in> > Dubai, is NOT accredited to keep marine wildlife in captivity, therefore,> > not> > accredited to keep a whale shark, because it does not comply with the> > requirements needed to do so.. Keeping the shark incarcerated "in order to> > recuperate from stress" is bogus, as that is not the way you reduce stress> > in> > a whale shark (but see comments above about AZA and WAZA), and "for> > scientific study", that will be interesting to see, but it looks the same> > bogus argument of the "scientific whaling" used by the Japanese in order> > to> > continue killing cetaceans. The hotel may argue that because they are a> > hotel, not a public aquarium, they don't need WAZA's accreditation. But> > that> > begs the question, why they have captive marine wildlife in the first> > place.> > If they have it for the "pleas> > ure of their guests" that contradicts their statements on "recuperation> > from> > stress and for scientific study". The shark must be released at once.> >> >> >> > Sarah Frias-Torres, Ph.D.> > Marine Conservation Biologist> > Ocean Research and Conservation Assocaition, Florida USA> > > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:53:09 -0400> From: allison.billiam at gmail.com>> > To:> > Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Subject: [Coral-List] Atlantis Dubai whale> > shark> > A friend in Dubai has contacted me to express concern about the> > fate> > of the> 4 m whale shark "rescued" in early September 2008 and since> > confined> > to the> aquarium at the Atlantis Hotel in the Palm, Dubai. The explanation> > offered> to the public for keeping the shark incarcerated is to allow it> > to>> > recuperate from stress and for scientific study. Sceptics suspect more>> > self-interested reasons. The CITES listing of this species is an> > interesting>> > wrinkle. Hoping to establish the smoke to fire ratio, I would like to> > hear>> > about the pros and cons of this situation from people with professional>> > experience with whale shark biology, and especially those with> > arms-length>> > experience with this particular case..> > Bill>> > _______________________________________________> Coral-List mailing list>> > Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> ht> > tp://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list> > _______________________________________________> > Coral-List mailing list> > Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> > http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list> >> > _______________________________________________> > Coral-List mailing list> > Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> > http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list> >> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:58:03 +0000> From: tim ecott <timecott at hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] 2. Re: Atlantis Dubai whale shark (Sarah> Frias-Torres)> To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>> Message-ID: <BAY115-W472310C9CAC745211D521AD6350 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > regarding the whale sharks:> it is worth noting that contrary to what was reported earlier: the Georgia aquarium has not successfully kept two whale sharks alive. they BOTH DIED. also they were not captured off Indonesia but in Taiwan and there is some controversy over whether they were 'rescued' from fishermen or 'caught to order'. Whalesharks almost never survive in captivity - there is one aquarium in japan which has managed to keep successive specimens alive.> in the case of the Dubai whaleshark which was allegedly 'rescued' by Atlantis, it is worth noting that the rescue coincided with the opening of the Atlantis Palm resort and the hotel pr team has got itself in a real muddle over whether or not the shark will be released at some future date. the chances of any useful 'research' originating from this capture are, in my humble view. very very limited.Tim Ecott is the author of Neutral Buoyancy: Adventures in a Liquid World (Penguin) and > > > > 9> ****************************************> _________________________________________________________________> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/> > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:51:06 -0400> From: "Brian Nelson" <bnelson at neaq.org>> Subject: [Coral-List] Accreditation> To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>> Message-ID:> <4088BFAE3F97BC418FC8239CD9C280FE0455BB18 at tigershark.neaq.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Yes Charles you are correct:> > http://www.aza.org/FindZooAquarium/Bahamas/index.html> > To ask a thought provoking question: How does any institution (Zoo,> Aquarium, School, University, Hospital or any other thing) gain> accreditation by the "authorities" in their field? That institution> must show that it can fulfill its mission successfully and uphold> industry standards. How can a brand new institution be expected to hold> credentials, voluntary ones at that, which have to be earned without a> history of operation?> > -Brian> > > Message: 5> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:38:56 -0700> From: "Delbeek, Charles" <cdelbeek at calacademy.org>> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Atlantis Dubai whale shark> To: "Sarah Frias-Torres" <sfrias_torres at hotmail.com>, "William> Allison" <allison.billiam at gmail.com>, "coral-list coral-list"> <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>> Message-ID:> <D6A836974C189D4AAFB7BBC34FA2BF6C555346 at yoshi.calacademy.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Actually the Georgia Aquarium has FOUR whale sharks and they were> collected> in Taiwan.> > Just because an institution does not belong to AZA or WAZA does NOT mean> it> is not capable or competent to keep marine life in captivity. Joining> these> associations is a matter of choice, it is not a requirement. Being in> such as> association ensures that certain standards are being met, but those> standards> can still be met or even exceeded whether you are a member or not. Also,> it> is not uncommon for new institutions to take a year or more to become> accredited due to the extremely involved process and amount of paperwork> that> needs to be done; this can take up to two years. So even though Palm> Dubai is> not currently affiliated with any association it does not mean they> won't> soon be. Their sister institution in the Bahamas is accredited by AZA I> believe.> > Sincerely,> > J. Charles Delbeek> > Reopening in Golden Gate Park 9.27.08> > **************> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:24:58 -0400> From: Sarah Frias-Torres <sfrias_torres at hotmail.com>> Subject: [Coral-List] THE ECO-KIDS> To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>> Message-ID: <BAY143-W26A876A17A54AE3E735EFA81350 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Fear no more. The eco-kids have arrived. A good start indeed.> ***> "Pint-Size Eco-Police, Making Parents Proud and Sometimes Crazy"> The New York Times, 9 October 2008, On line> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/nyregion/10green.html?ref=science> > > > Sarah Frias-Torres, Ph.D. > Marine Conservation Biologist> Ocean Research and Conservation Association, Fort Pierce, FL, USA> > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:56:40 -0700> From: "Delbeek, Charles" <cdelbeek at calacademy.org>> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] 2. Re: Atlantis Dubai whale shark> (SarahFrias-Torres)> To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>> Message-ID:> <D6A836974C189D4AAFB7BBC34FA2BF6C8CA37F at yoshi.calacademy.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Mr. Ecott, please get your facts straight. There are currently four whale> sharks at the Georgia Aquarium. These are alive and growing very well thank> you. Please contact Dr. Bob Hueter at the Mote Marine Lab for background on> all the whale sharks that have been kept at Georgia and the research that has> been done to date which will soon be published.> > Sincerely,> > J. Charles Delbeek M.Sc.> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov on behalf of tim ecott> Sent: Fri 10/10/2008 2:58 AM> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] 2. Re: Atlantis Dubai whale shark> (SarahFrias-Torres)> > regarding the whale sharks:> it is worth noting that contrary to what was reported earlier: the Georgia> aquarium has not successfully kept two whale sharks alive. they BOTH DIED.> also they were not captured off Indonesia but in Taiwan and there is some> controversy over whether they were 'rescued' from fishermen or 'caught to> order'. Whalesharks almost never survive in captivity - there is one aquarium> in japan which has managed to keep successive specimens alive.> in the case of the Dubai whaleshark which was allegedly 'rescued' by> Atlantis, it is worth noting that the rescue coincided with the opening of> the Atlantis Palm resort and the hotel pr team has got itself in a real> muddle over whether or not the shark will be released at some future date.> the chances of any useful 'research' originating from this capture are, in my> humble view. very very limited.Tim Ecott is the author of Neutral Buoyancy:> Adventures in a Liquid World (Penguin) and > > > > 9> ****************************************> _________________________________________________________________> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> Coral-List mailing list> Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list> > > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Coral-List mailing list> Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list> > End of Coral-List Digest, Vol 2, Issue 11> *****************************************
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