[Coral-List] Public perceptions about climate change: US the most educated, incentivized?
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Well, "the most technologically advanced nation in the world" [sic]
are yet struggling with creationists that wish (and sometimes
succeed) to implement the view of 'Adam and Eve' origins of the world
to teach their children at school.
I'm not hopeless about Darwin and the future of evolution as a
fact!! :):):)
Osmar J. Luiz
PhD student
Macquarie University
Sydney, Australia
On Qua 28/10/09 18:03 , "Georgina Bustamante"
gbustamante at bellsouth.net sent:
I don't see why the world has to loose hope "if the most
technologically
advanced nation in the world cannot preserve its OWN coral
reefs".....
If you mean ...."if the most technologically advance world doesn't
do
anything to stop climate change" I agree, then but protecting coral
reefs is
more than stopping climate change.
Redicing local impact is a big part of making them resilient, and it
might
be more realistic to expect small islands states or third world
countries to
be more interested in managing well reefs if their livelihoods
depend on
their ecological services (fishing, tourism, etc.), and their
population is
closer to the sea (geographically and culturally).
Everything is about incentives (economic?), and the US people (not
us,
scientists, conservationists) may not have enough incentive to learn
on/contribute to the restoration of coral reefs. Their life is not
directly
depending on them.
Georgina Bustamante, Ph.D.
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From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [8]
[mailto:coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [9]] On Behalf Of
Michael Risk
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:24 AM
To: Szmant, Alina; John Bruno; coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [10]
Cc: Richard B. Aronson
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Public perceptions about climate change
Good morning, all.
Alina is probably right, there is no hope. If the most
technologically
advanced nation in the world cannot preserve its own coral reefs,
what
hope is there for those Third World nations that house most of the
remainder? May I suggest Richard Wright's "What is America" for an
overview that will reinforce Alina's depressing prediction.
In Walt Jaap's immortal words, coral reefs are the canaries of the
sea-but we must always bear in mind that the canary's greatest value
to
the human race came upon its death.
We have room for some of you in Saskatchewan, but you would have to
behave.
Mike
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:48:16 -0400
"Szmant, Alina" wrote:
> One more comment: if our newspapers, TV and people in general
spent
> 1/2 the space and/or time on science articles and study as they do
on
> sports, we would be a different society...
>
>
>
> **********************************************
> Dr. Alina M. Szmant
> Professor of Marine Biology
> Coral Reef Research Program, Center for Marine Science
> University of North Carolina Wilmington
> 5600 Marvin K. Moss Lane
> Wilmington NC 28409
> Tel: (910)962-2362; fax: (910)962-2410; cell: (910)200-3913
> http://people.uncw.edu/szmanta [12]
> **********************************************
> ________________________________________
> From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [13]
> [coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml..noaa.gov [14]] On Behalf Of John
Bruno
> [jbruno at unc.edu [15]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:31 PM
> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [16]
> Cc: Richard B. Aronson
> Subject: [Coral-List] Public perceptions about climate change
>
> As Steve Mussman posted about a few days ago, nearly 20% fewer
> Americans belive in AGW than just three years ago. I think there
are
> complex social issues than underlie this trend, but I also think
this
> is happening because people are being misinformed by the media,
even
> by otherwise reliable outlets like the New York Times and the
> Washington Post.
>
> Not to suggest that this will be the last word on this, but the AP
> released an article today for which they hired four independent
> statisticians to analyze (blindly) the 130 instrument temperature
> record and the 30 year satellite record. The statisticians were
> asked
> to look for trends over time. Did they find any recent cooling?
No.
> They found, like NOAA, NASA and the MET, that the earth has
continued
> to warm over the last decade. No cooling. No plateau.
>
> You can read the AP story here:
http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=3350 [17]
>
> But there are already many recent newspaper stories, published
peer-
> review papers and easily accessible online articles debunking the
> recent "global cooling" and "warming pause" myths, e.g.:
>
> http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=3261 [18]
>
>
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/a-warming-pause/#more-
[19]
1265
>
>
http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2009/08/warmest-by-fair-margin/
[20]
>
> So why are we loosing the public? They clearly are not being
> convinced
> by evidence. There isn't any in support of the cooling/pause
> arguments. I suspect that it is (in part) because the media is
> saturated with skepticism about AGW. Fox News commentators and New
> York Times science writers are spreading the myths there is a
recent
> cooling or a plateau in warming. George Will, who is read by tens
of
> millions of Americans, wrote yet another op-ed in the Washington
Post
> a few weeks ago arguing the earth wasn't warming. I responded with
> an
> op-ed in the local Raleigh News and Observer (which you can read
> here:
>
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/columnists_blogs/story/134115.html
[21]
> ) but I doubt I changed many minds. And the editor cut the most
> direct criticism of the complacency of the media in this in
general
> and of newspaper editors in particular:
>
> "Given the clarity and relative certainty of the science and the
> scale
> of the potential social and economic impacts, why do newspapers
> publish articles denying climate change is happening? Social
> commentators like George Will certainly have freedom of speech and
a
> general license to express their opinions on the editorial page.
But
> would newspaper editors publish essays denying other major threats
to
> humanity? Imagine an editorial arguing that cancer, poverty,
HIV-AIDS
> or genocide don't exist and are merely the product of a well-
> orchestrated scientific hoax"
>
> I don't know what the solution is. Grassroots education is
> important,
> but I sense we are getting drowned out by skeptics and even
> misinformed science writers with much large megaphones than any of
> us. I have written every journalist I have seen publish an
> inaccurate
> piece about climate change and many of their editors and not one
has
> responded. Perhaps we need to employ the weight of our major
> society,
> the ISRS. The word "climate" does not even appear on the ISRS
> website (http://research2.fit.edu/isrs/ [22]). I know we have
position
> papers on various threats to reefs posted, but perhaps we could be
> more proactive and begin writing journalists and columnists (and
> their editors) when they get it wrong. The Ecological Society of
> America has been very active in such correspondence
> (http://www.esa.org/pao/policy_positions.php#letters [23]
> ) as has the AGU and many other major environmental sciences
> societies. And back in February, when George Will wrote another
> silly
> article about global cooling, a number of NGO heads co-wrote a
letter
> to the publisher and editor of the WaPost. Note I don't in anyway
> mean this as a criticism of ISRS or of any of its officers. I am
> just
> throwing out a few ideas. I don't think we have done this sort of
> thing with the society in the past and we likely lack the
resources
> to
> do it on a large scale. BTW, is the ISRS sending representatives
to
> Copenhagen?
>
> JB
>
>
> John F. Bruno, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> Department of Marine Science
> The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> Chapel Hill, NC 27599-330
> jbruno at unc.edu [24]
> www.brunolab.net
>
>
>
>
>
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