[Coral-List] The battle for biodiversity (Diadema)
Martin Moe
martin_moe at yahoo.com
Wed Dec 1 11:36:27 EST 2010
Dear list,
I think I sort of made a mistake, perhaps more in the sense of allowing the
mouth (fingers in this case) to make comments before the brain has had a chance
to fully explore the implications of the comment. Maybe I’m the only one that
has ever done that.
As an aside to John Bruno, who is well aware of my Diadema culture work, in my
post on spiny lobster distribution and biodiversity I made the comment.
“On another marine species larval distribution note, I have Diadema larvae now
at
day 69 that are finally showing signs of readiness for settlement.”
Now this is true, but it isn’t the whole story and erroneous implications on
Diadema larval life and distribution, i.e., that Diadema normally spent 70+ days
in the plankton, could be the result. And given the great importance of this
keystone herbivore to western Atlantic coral reefs, this would not be helpful.
First of all essentially any culture of marine organisms is not “normal”. A
controlled environment, unnatural nutrition, ecological interactions, abnormally
dense populations, and many other factors preclude a “normal”, but hopefully
optimum, developmental situation for the larvae. In my case, environmental
factors such as turbulence, water quality, nutrition, and ciliate competition
affect growth and development and the morphology of the larvae is not normal.
Also there is a great range in time of development to competency for
metamorphosis between different larvae culture runs. The earliest that juveniles
have been produced is 28 days and the latest about 50 days. Typically, rudiment
development begins at about day 22 or so and most metamorphosis takes place
between days 35 and 45. The longest I have held larvae is 86 days and no
metamorphosis occurred. At this point with the current run, 70 days, the larvae
are quite large with large internal rudiments, and although they “look”
competent, and despite introduction of biochemical cues, settlement and
metamorphosis is not occurring, yet. There is a great deal yet to be learned
about larval development of Diadema and all I know at this point is that these
larvae apparently have great plasticity of morphology and development time and
their environment (pelagic and benthic) apparently has a great influence on
where and when they settle. A few more little difficulties need to be worked out
but the basics are in hand and I hope that between Dave Vaughan, Tom Capo and
me, we will soon have the techniques established for large scale production of
Diadema juveniles for use in coral reef restoration research.
Martin Moe
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From: Martin Moe <martin_moe at yahoo.com>
To: "Bruno, John F" <jbruno at unc.edu>; "<coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>"
<coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 9:25:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] The battle for biodiversity
John, Thanks for the clarification on the variability of genetic structure, I'm
sure the actual situation is far more complex in time and distance than we
realize, but given the longevity of the larval phase of P. argus, and the
patterns of water currents in the broad area, I think it is reasonable to
assume, with your caveat well considered, that the likelihood of reproductively
separate populations of P. argus is not great. But whatever the actual case may
be, when it comes to exploitation, perception, even engineered perception,
becomes reality, and often such perception becomes the basis for regulation. Too
often regulation that would offer functional reproductive protection for a
species (to say nothing of the need for ecological protection) is not enacted
because the burden of proof that such regulation is needed can not be met to the
satisfaction of the fishing industries. And the response after the profits have
been made and the resource is in trouble, is "Gee, I guess we were wrong.
Shucks, now we have to go after a less profitable species." Of course we can't
paint all fishing efforts with the same brush, but it seems to happen all too
often.
On another marine species larval distribution note, I have Diadema larvae now at
day 69 that are finally showing signs of readiness for settlement.
Martin
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From: "Bruno, John F" <jbruno at unc.edu>
To: "<coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>" <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 9:22:50 PM
Subject: [Coral-List] The battle for biodiversity
A case in point is the spiny lobster fishery of Florida. It has been shown
through analysis of mitochondrial DNA (Silberman, et. al., 1994) that, as
expected, genetic analysis shows no evidence of genetic structure in the spiny
lobster (P. argus) population, which is consistent with a high gene flow
throughout the population. This also indicates that the population of spiny
lobsters in Florida is dependent on larval influx from Caribbean sources.
Martin, thank you for that really interesting post, especially your insights on
the response of lobster fishers to NOAAs catch shares plan. Not to suggest that
I know anything about lobster population genetics, but the lack of genetic
structure within a population (or among populations) doesn't necessarily mean
strong demographic connectivity and that result certainly doesn't indicate that
"the population of spiny lobsters in Florida is dependent on larval influx from
Caribbean sources". For one, a relatively small degree of migration between
subpopulations can be enough to genetically homogenize them without creating
much if any demographic connectivity. Even if there were effective demographic
connectivity between Florida and Caribbean populations, that would not
necessarily mean the Florida populations were a sink and wholly dependent on
larval subsidies.
JB
John Bruno
Associate Professor
UNC Chapel Hill
www.brunolab.net<http://www.brunolab.net>
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