[Coral-List] "sarcasm, endless disagreements, personal attacks..."

[Jim Hendee]

Indeed, I much support Ed's list (below) and hope others whose messages
seem to streak tangential consider going to that list.

One of my team also moderates Coral-List from time to time, and I like
the way he chooses what goes through:  if the message doesn't contain
the world "coral" in it, he's apt to reject it.  Ah, the sagacity of
simplicity!

    Jim

On 12/2/10 3:13 PM, Ed Blume wrote:
> Milton,
> Your idea is so good that a new list already exists at
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/coralreef-freeforall/
>  
> The list has 34 members who came from Coral-List.
>  
> I lightly moderate the posts to avoid racism, sexism and all other
> inappropriate isms, and cussin'.
>  
> Otherwise, its a coral reef discussion free for all!
>  
> Ed Blume
> Reef enthusiast, not a scientist 
> Madison, WI
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM, RainbowWarriorsInternational
> <southern_caribbean at yahoo.com <mailto:southern_caribbean at yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
>     Dear Jim and all listers,
>
>     I have a proposal for removing the clutter and alleviating the
>     work of the hard core, dedicated scientists and researchers on the
>     list.
>
>     We could split the list into two separate lists, with exactly the
>     same range of topics.
>
>     The idea is to moderate and use two baskets, so every email still
>     gets moderated but when it falls into the category debate it is
>     deferred to a Coral-Debate-List instead of the Coral-List.
>
>     Because debates do serve a useful purpose we leave it up to the
>     sound judgment of the Coral-List moderator to decide to which list
>     it gets submitted.
>
>     The subscription would have to be renewed in order to subscribe to
>     Coral-List new style and the current subscribers are given the
>     option of subscribing to Coral-Debate-list as well.
>
>     For email submissions by subscribers whose content is obvious
>     debate and who have no subscription to the Debate list the
>     submission is lost to the waste basket.
>
>     Eventually after a certain period (e.g. 30 days) the separation of
>     mails is automatically stopped and one has to submit directly to
>     the most suitable list.
>
>     Milton Ponson, President
>     Rainbow Warriors Core Foundation
>     (Rainbow Warriors International) Tel. +297 568 5908
>     PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
>     Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
>     Email: southern_caribbean at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:southern_caribbean at yahoo.com>  
>      http://www.rainbowwarriors.net <http://www.rainbowwarriors.net/>
>
>     To unite humanity in a global society dedicated to a sustainable
>     way of life
>
>     --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Jim Hendee <Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov
>     <mailto:Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov>> wrote:
>
>     From: Jim Hendee <Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov <mailto:Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov>>
>     Subject: [Coral-List] "sarcasm, endless disagreements, personal
>     attacks..."
>     To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>     <mailto:coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
>     Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 5:44 AM
>
>     I usually don't forward messages, rather encourage direct submission,
>     but this one is special.
>
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject:     Re: [Coral-List] More La Ninia
>     Date:     Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:13:09 -0500
>     From:    
>     To:     Jim Hendee <Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov <mailto:Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov>>
>
>
>
>     Good morning Jim, I assume you are the editor/manager of the
>     list?  I am writing to you directly, not the list.  I am a coastal
>     engineer, also subscriber to the coastal list sponsored by UDEL. 
>     Earlier this year, I joined coral list, as I have become more
>     involved in artificial reef design, am working more closely with
>     marine biologists...Basically I joined coral list hoping to gain
>     insight/knowledge, and to experience the same type benefits
>     demonstrated by the coastal list.
>
>     What a stark contrast between the two lists.  Where the coastal
>     list provides single threaded, concise announcements/responses,
>     such as information on upcoming events, data, employment
>     opps/resumes, projects, research (is there a paper or research on
>     xyz, if so please share info on subject, etc.), it is not an open
>     forum for sarcasm, endless disagreements, personal attacks,
>     belittling others, questioning their knowledge or lack thereof,
>     questioning the motives of the US Govt in the aftermath of the oil
>     spill, etc....
>
>     My experience with the coral list, unfortunately, has been deeply
>     disappointing and inadvertantly humorous, but in a pitiful way,
>     only a handful of the 20+ daily posts (which I assume are edited
>     for content/appropriateness?) are actually informative (from my
>     perspective).   As an engineer (believe it or not, some of us
>     coastal engineers are also lumped into the tree hugger category),
>     it is precisely this type of preconceived behavior/reputation
>     among environmental professionals that discourages and actually
>     frightens other professionals within the coastal industry of
>     possible project derailment and delays.
>
>     I sincerely hope you will consider re-evaluating the purpose and
>     functions of the list, and encourage those who disagree/insult
>     repeatedly to take it up between themselves, off list.  Unless the
>     purpose of the list is in fact this sort of thing (ongoing
>     debates), then I will remove myself from the coral debate list, as
>     I have gained very little insight, a few chuckles, and mostly junk
>     mail.
>
>     If you agree with me and wish to post this (which will probably
>     receive the same type of insulting backlash), please do so
>     anonymously, remove my name/email address if it might help you in
>     your efforts to reign in the list.  In my opinion, its in a
>     perpetual state of spirally out of control.
>
>     Thanks for listening,
>
>     ....anonymous...
>
>
>
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