[Coral-List] coral dwelling gobies in Seychelles (Juergen Herler)

[juergen.herler at univie.ac.at]

Hi Kevin!

I send you a paper (not via the list) of coral gobies from the Red Sea. If you can provide more 
details, in particular which genera you are dealing with or interested in, I can try to provide 
further assistance. I doubt that there is something specific for the Seychelles.
You know that there are hundreds of potential species, so there is no good printed source 
available, except two books of Japanese researchers, which are both here on my desk. If we 
would do it the other way round (you send photos to me, if possible), it would be easier.
I will also send you a pictionary which I created a few years ago containing photos of some 
hundreds of species. It is certainly not up to date but may help you with identification.

Cheers
Juergen

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>    1. Re: DONT BE TOO MUCH OF A SCIENTIST (Helder Perez)
>    2. Two funded PhD opportunities (EU citizens only I am	afraid)
>       (Chris Perry)
>    3. Objective Science? (GlennPatton)
>    4. Re: alternative -  Majuro barge mining (Karl Fellenius)
>    5. coral dwelling gobies in Seychelles (kevin moses)
>    6. Re: Objective Science? (Bill Allison)
>    7. Re: Objective Science? (Szmant, Alina)
>    8. Re: Objective Science? (Steve Mussman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:02:10 -0600
> From: Helder Perez <helder.perez at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] DONT BE TOO MUCH OF A SCIENTIST
> To: Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov"
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> I'll bring the topic home: right now we have *393.09 PPM of CO2*.
> 
> According to NOAA's observatory at Mauna Loa, that measure
> correspond to
> the mean of carbon dioxide for the month of *January 2012*. It's
> likely
> that by mid decade we'll have reached 400 ppm of CO2 (please follow
> this
> link to look at the monthly data since 1958
> ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_mlo.txt) and draw your
> own
> conclusions).
> 
> Climate change may not erase all corals from the oceans, but ocean
> acidification might. How can we tackle that?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Helder I. P?rez
> 
> Vice-president
> *Bay Islands Foundation
> *www.utila-iguana.de/fib
> www.facebook.com/iguanastation
> Skype ID: helder.perez
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 February 2012 08:52, Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > I don't believe that I've ever seen a post on Coral-List
> > that was more transparently political. Why does support
> > for the international scientific consensus relating to
> > climate change have to be equated with anti-Americanism?
> >
> > Countless studies have concluded that solar irradiance plays
> > a minor role when compared to forcings that are human-made
> > and everyone knows the effects of the ENSO. Claiming that
> > temperatures peaked in 1998 is not accurate in that it reflects
> > only short-term variability within the long term climate trend.
> >
> > Previous posts relating to climate change have been chastised
> > for not being relevant to corals, a perspective I never
> understood.
> > The one I question here doesn't relate to reality and challenges
> > both the credibility of established scientific opinion and more
> > improperly, one's patriotic fervor.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >  Steve
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Bill Raymond <billraymond10 at yahoo.com>
> > >Sent: Feb 7, 2012 2:34 PM
> > >To: Coral List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> > >Subject: [Coral-List] DONT BE TOO MUCH OF A SCIENTIST
> > >
> > >Gene Shinn made a good point. Global temperature peaked in 1998,
> yet CO2
> > levels continued to rise over the past 11 years. Solar cycles
> correlate
> > better to global temperaturer than CO2 levels. Yet, the IPCC
> claims solar
> > forcing contributed +0.12 W/m2 since 1750 compared to +1.6 W/m2
> from
> > anthropogenic warming. They apparently chose to use a parameter of
> solar
> > irradiance that has not changed significantly. Do they really
> expect us to
> > believe the sun's influence is only 7 1/2 % of the human
> contribution? Will
> > they also deny the recent increase in solar flare activity?
> > >
> > >First convince the world of AGW, then demand $10 trillion to fix
> it. Is
> > the UN pro-America?
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:11:16 +0000
> From: Chris Perry <chris.t.perry at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Coral-List] Two funded PhD opportunities (EU citizens only
> I
> 	am	afraid)
> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Below are details of two fully-funded PhD studentship projects that
> may be
> of interest to those subscribing to the list. I'm afraid due to the
> funding
> these are only available to UK or EU citizens.
> 
> I'd be grateful if you could pass the web links on to any high
> calibre
> students you feel might be interested. Details of the projects are
> via the
> web links below.
> 
> 
> Project 1: Modelling coral reef island vulnerability under future
> change
> scenarios: impacts of ecological and environmental change on coral
> reef
> sediment production.
> See:  
> http://www.exeter.ac.uk/studying/funding/award/?id=931<https://owa.e
> x.ac.uk/owa/redir.aspx?C=0407f521e9c14d7f89e47509ad92f9b1&URL=http%3
> a%2f%2fwww.exeter.ac.uk%2fstudying%2ffunding%2faward%2f%3fid%3d931>
> 
> Closing date 4th March 2012.
> 
> 
> Marine Fish Carbonates - contribution to sediment production in
> temperate
> environments
> See:  
> http://www.exeter.ac.uk/studying/funding/award/?id=923<https://owa.e
> x.ac.uk/owa/redir.aspx?C=0407f521e9c14d7f89e47509ad92f9b1&URL=http%3
> a%2f%2fwww.exeter.ac.uk%2fstudying%2ffunding%2faward%2f%3fid%3d923>
> 
> Closing date 29th Feb 2012
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chris
> 
> Professor Chris Perry,
> Geography, College of Life and Environmental Sciences,
> University of Exeter,
> Amory Building, Rennes Drive,
> Exeter, EX4 4RJ. UK
> 
> E-mail: C.Perry at exeter.ac.uk
> Tel:     +44 (0)1392 723334
> 
> Environmental Change Group:
> http://geography.exeter.ac.uk/research/groups/environmentalchange/<h
> ttps://owa.ex.ac.uk/owa/redir.aspx?C=0407f521e9c14d7f89e47509ad92f9b
> 1&URL=http%3a%2f%2fgeography.exeter.ac.uk%2fresearch%2fgroups%2fenvi
> ronmentalchange%2f>
> School website:
> http://geography.exeter.ac.uk/<https://owa.ex.ac.uk/owa/redir.aspx?C
> =0407f521e9c14d7f89e47509ad92f9b1&URL=http%3a%2f%2fgeography.exeter.
> ac.uk%2f>
> https://twitter.com/#!/exetergeography<https://owa.ex.ac.uk/owa/redi
> r.aspx?C=0407f521e9c14d7f89e47509ad92f9b1&URL=https%3a%2f%2ftwitter.
> com%2f%23%21%2fexetergeography>
> 
> ReefBudget project:
> http://geography.exeter.ac.uk/reefbudget/<https://owa.ex.ac.uk/owa/r
> edir.aspx?C=0407f521e9c14d7f89e47509ad92f9b1&URL=http%3a%2f%2fgeogra
> phy.exeter.ac.uk%2freefbudget%2f>
> IAG Working Group REEForm:
> http://geography.exeter.ac.uk/reeform/<https://owa.ex.ac.uk/owa/redi
> r.aspx?C=0407f521e9c14d7f89e47509ad92f9b1&URL=http%3a%2f%2fgeography
> .exeter.ac.uk%2freeform%2f>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:53:43 -0500
> From: "GlennPatton" <glenn at glennpatton.com>
> Subject: [Coral-List] Objective Science?
> To: "'Coral List'" <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> Message-ID: <000001cce6b4$832bcf90$89836eb0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> FYI, A peer-reviewed study that I have not seen referenced on this
> list.   
> 
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/335/6068/593.abstract 
> 
> Growth of Western Australian Corals in the Anthropocene
> Timothy F. Cooper, Rebecca A. O?Leary, Janice M. Lough
> 
> Abstract
> Anthropogenic increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide lead to warmer
> sea
> surface temperatures and altered ocean chemistry. Experimental
> evidence
> suggests that coral calcification decreases as aragonite saturation
> drops
> but increases as temperatures rise toward thresholds optimal for
> coral
> growth. In situ studies have documented alarming recent declines
> in
> calcification rates on several tropical coral reef ecosystems. We
> show there
> is no widespread pattern of consistent decline in calcification
> rates of
> massive Porites during the 20th century on reefs spanning an 11?
> latitudinal
> range in the southeast Indian Ocean off Western Australia.
> Increasing
> calcification rates on the high-latitude reefs contrast with the
> downward
> trajectory reported for corals on Australia?s Great Barrier Reef and
> provide
> additional evidence that recent changes in coral calcification are
> responses
> to temperature rather than ocean acidification. 
> 
> Other info about the study.
> 
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2012/02/01/335.6068.593.DC1/
> Cooper.S
> OM.pdf 
> 
> http://data.aims.gov.au/metadataviewer/faces/view.xhtml?uuid=4f39c64
> 1-8450-4
> ea0-b2b6-4f3d582645f8 
> 
> Other references to this study.
> http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2012/02/warmer-waters-good-f
> or-coral
> -growth/ 
> 
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=corals-more-threate
> ned-by-t
> emperature-than-acidifying-ocean 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Glenn Patton
> www.glennpatton.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:07:55 -0800
> From: "Karl Fellenius" <michka at fellenius.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] alternative -  Majuro barge mining
> To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> Message-ID: <C61B39CF59684194B6EA61D90FAC2F3F at KarlHP>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> orig. sent from unsubscribed coral list address, so I am re-sending
> the post to the list.
> 
> 
> From: Karl B Fellenius 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:02 PM
> To: Ron.V.Simpson at FAA.gov 
> Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov 
> Subject: alternative - Majuro barge mining
> 
> 
> Mr. Simpson,
> 
> I am fully aware of what is going on in Majuro with regards to the
> coral mining from shore at the airport. My reason for writing to you
> is to add a perspective from a different region of the Pacific with
> somewhat similar issues as the RMI. I used to work as a marine
> science lecturer and fisheries survey diver in Majuro about 7 years
> ago. Dr. Dean Jacobson was my colleague. I respect his opinions
> immensely. Since then I live in Port Vila, Vanuatu. My work is doing
> EIAs as an independent consultant on shoreline development projects.
> Marine life surveys and operational recommendations essentially. To
> complement the good work done by Fisheries and Environment.
> 
> Proposed dredging operations using excavators from the shore have
> been redirected in favour of offshore barges. It works, and it might
> even become common practice someday. Here in Vanuatu though, we are
> fortunate to have coral aggregate available in land-based quarries.
> Even so, there has been much evolution in recent years about how to
> mitigate reclamation impacts from using such materials. Or rather,
> how to effectively minimise sedimentation and nutrient loading. EIAs
> were done here for the US funded MCA ring road around Efate. In the
> media it was written up that we were so fortunate to have US
> influence here on such a mega project so that EIAs could be brought
> up to a responsible international standard. I must say, that I am
> extremely disappointed to understand that such US efforts are
> piecemeal, and selective. If it were across the board for US
> projects in the Pacific, the FAA approved LIVE coral mining in
> Majuro would not be happening, would it?
> 
> Here in Vanuatu there are times when Fisheries and Environment
> approve development in proximity to some coral. It happens. But in
> those cases the coral cover is low (less than 10%), the type of
> coral is common, and the shoreline protection offered by the few
> coral bommies is minimal. And efforts are made at relocation and
> transplantation. And development work (almost!) always takes place
> with a fine silt curtain under low tide and calm conditions. I'm not
> saying its always the best solution, but we have guidelines. Even
> China tries to adhere to them here on their many 'aid' projects
> (Vanuatu does not recognize ROC). China more environmentally
> responsible than the US? Who would have thought? That comment is
> somewhat tongue-in-cheek, I don't mean to belittle the US
> environment record in its entirety. Most certainly, Vanuatu would
> NEVER allow direct LIVE coral mining, let alone in an area with
> close to 100% cover as the Majuro reef in question. In my years here
> I always spoke of
>   the Marshalls as being comparably very forward in terms of its
> coastal resource management. Largely I attributed this to the US
> presence (nuclear issues aside), and RMIs early success with marine
> protected areas and decision-making in working groups. And lately
> with its shark sanctuary. So why this backward step?
> 
> I know the reef Dr. Jacobson is talking about. The reef is very
> important for all the reasons he has already mentioned. It should
> not be mined. But it won't stop there. The impacts of allowing this
> live coral mining will reverberate throughout the Pacific. Already
> the news has reached Port Vila. Key people here have asked me why we
> go to such lengths here to limit sedimentation on already degraded
> reefs around the capital when the US allows destruction of healthy
> reefs in former territories? They know the answer of course.
> Politics and money and vested interests. But the real damage Mr.
> Simpson, is incremental wearing down of the motivation of middle and
> lower managers and field compliance officers, when they learn about
> the inability of the 'big boys' (NOAA, FAA) to do the right thing.
> Motivation gets replaced by apathy. You are potentially affecting
> further afield than you realise.
> 
> And don't worry about Jerry Kramer and PII. They've known for years
> that barge mining regulation was likely. They are just getting what
> they can from shore before it happens. NOW is the time to implement
> the change, before this project demoralises everyone who understands
> the damage its continuation will do to the maintenance of any decent
> standard for coral mining in the tropical and subtropical Pacific.
> 
> Thanks for your time. 
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> --
> Karl Fellenius, MRM
> karl at fellenius.net
> 678.7773321
> PO Box 3183
> Port Vila, Vanuatu
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:45:19 -0800
> From: kevin moses <kevin.s.moses at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Coral-List] coral dwelling gobies in Seychelles
> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAAXnLR2k8cM+Ra8QO5aAwufT1NgtB7pzD_gbzpLkBGqBckNFyw at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Hello,
> I was wondering if anyone has a list of all the coral dwelling goby
> species
> within the Seychelles islands or even the Western Indian
> Ocean.Information
> on any species observed or photographed there would also be
> helpful.Direction towards published literature ,even better !!!
> Thanks.
> Regards.
> Kevin
> kevin.s.moses at gmail.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:45:50 +0500
> From: Bill Allison <allison.billiam at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Objective Science?
> To: GlennPatton <glenn at glennpatton.com>
> Cc: Coral List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAFBKy3+k0jTRDHQdRcvLve5xGWgmWN4yxoK8xR14jK-RNfwMkw at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> At this time temperature seems to be the primary controlling factor.
> The
> authors plainly expect calcium to be a limiting factor in the
> future.
> Curious that wasn't mentioned in the abstract but I suppose it would
> have
> decreased readership and opportunities for faux-controversy.
> 
> Here is the closing para:
> "Seawater carbon chemistry is a key determinant of coral
> calcification, and
> the potential for future anthropogenic-influenced declines in
> carbonate
> saturation state, and hence coral calcification, is cause for
> serious
> concern
> (*2*<http://www.sciencemag.org.myaccess.library.utoronto.ca/content/
> 335/6068/593.full#ref-2>,
> *4*<http://www.sciencemag.org.myaccess.library.utoronto.ca/content/3
> 35/6068/593.full#ref-4>,
> *7*<http://www.sciencemag.org.myaccess.library.utoronto.ca/content/3
> 35/6068/593.full#ref-7>).
> However, we conclude that the rate of change in the thermal
> environment of
> coral reefs is currently the primary driver of change in coral
> calcification rates. Warming SSTs are resulting in (i) increased
> calcification rates reported here in the southeast Indian Ocean,
> where
> marginal reefs have taken advantage of warmer conditions, and (ii)
> recent
> declines reported elsewhere for more typical reef environments
> where
> thermal optima for calcification have been exceeded or resulted in
> setbacks
> in growth as a result of thermally induced bleaching. Whether the
> former is
> sustainable as oceans continue to warm is another question."
> 
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:53 AM, GlennPatton <glenn at glennpatton.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > FYI, A peer-reviewed study that I have not seen referenced on this
> list.
> >
> > http://www.sciencemag.org/content/335/6068/593.abstract
> >
> > Growth of Western Australian Corals in the Anthropocene
> > Timothy F. Cooper, Rebecca A. O?Leary, Janice M. Lough
> >
> > Abstract
> > Anthropogenic increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide lead to
> warmer sea
> > surface temperatures and altered ocean chemistry. Experimental
> evidence
> > suggests that coral calcification decreases as aragonite
> saturation drops
> > but increases as temperatures rise toward thresholds optimal for
> coral
> > growth. In situ studies have documented alarming recent declines
> in
> > calcification rates on several tropical coral reef ecosystems. We
> show
> > there
> > is no widespread pattern of consistent decline in calcification
> rates of
> > massive Porites during the 20th century on reefs spanning an 11?
> > latitudinal
> > range in the southeast Indian Ocean off Western Australia.
> Increasing
> > calcification rates on the high-latitude reefs contrast with the
> downward
> > trajectory reported for corals on Australia?s Great Barrier Reef
> and
> > provide
> > additional evidence that recent changes in coral calcification
> are
> > responses
> > to temperature rather than ocean acidification.
> >
> > Other info about the study.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2012/02/01/335.6068.593.DC1/
> Cooper.S
> > OM.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> http://data.aims.gov.au/metadataviewer/faces/view.xhtml?uuid=4f39c64
> 1-8450-4
> > ea0-b2b6-4f3d582645f8
> >
> > Other references to this study.
> >
> >
> http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2012/02/warmer-waters-good-f
> or-coral
> > -growth/
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=corals-more-threate
> ned-by-t
> > emperature-than-acidifying-ocean
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Glenn Patton
> > www.glennpatton.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ________________________________
> Is this how science illuminates "reality"? - "the meaning of an
> episode was
> not inside like a kernel but outside, enveloping the talk which
> brought it
> out only as a glow brings out a haze."
> - narrator's comment about Marlow's tale-telling, in Heart of
> Darkness
> (Conrad)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:03:39 -0500
> From: "Szmant, Alina" <szmanta at uncw.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Objective Science?
> To: Bill Allison <allison.billiam at gmail.com>, GlennPatton
> 	<glenn at glennpatton.com>
> Cc: Coral List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> Message-ID:
> 	<68ECDB295FC42D4C98B223E75A854025D9F3F8605D at uncwexmb2.dcs.uncw.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I have watched the coral reefs of Florida, Puerto Rico, MBRS and
> more recently southern Caribbean lose coral cover year after year
> since the 1987 major bleaching event, all due to dramatic and
> prolonged elevated seawater temperature events.  We have now shown
> that development and settlement  of two dominant coral  species
> (Acropora palmata and Montastraea faveolata) are seriously affected
> by temperatures as low as 30 degrees C, and thus spawn from the
> surviving adult colonies when they do reproduce, will result in
> fewer larvae and reduced settlement potential.  In my opinion, based
> on over two decades watching Caribbean corals die from elevated
> temperature, I think that ocean acidification (OA) is a minor player
> in the future health of Caribbean coral reefs.  It doesn't kill
> corals, just slows calcification a bit, and in some species not at
> all.  The levels of OA that are being used in lab experiments to
> demonstrate an effect on calcification are soooo next century, and
> by th
>  en, elevated temperature will have decimated coral populations even
> more.   There won't be many corals left to be affected by decreased
> pH, and maybe the survivors will be the ones that are not affected
> by decreased pH.  
> 
> In my opinion,  OA is just the most recent band wagon for short
> attention spanners who got bored of working on temperature effects. 
> But OA has some big names promoting its significance (good way to
> loosen up $$ and other currencies), and the band wagon marches on. 
> I think that papers like the D'eath et al Science paper last year,
> that with NO EVIDENCE to support their statements, in their
> discussions invoking OA as THE cause for the decreased rate of
> calcification they observed in their cores since 1990, during a
> decade when corals were frequently bleached and stressed by
> temperature (both of which cause decreased calcification), are
> totally irresponsible, and makes me totally doubt our current peer
> review system.  [I could write a whole lot more about everything
> that is wrong and poorly done in this paper but will stop here]. 
> There is nothing that ticks me off more than bad science!!!
> 
> ********************************************************************
> *****
> Dr. Alina M. Szmant
> Professor of Marine Biology
> Center for Marine Science and Dept of Biology and Marine Biology
> University of North Carolina Wilmington
> 5600 Marvin Moss Ln
> Wilmington NC 28409 USA
> tel:  910-962-2362  fax: 910-962-2410  cell: 910-200-3913
> http://people.uncw.edu/szmanta
> *******************************************************
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> [mailto:coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov] On Behalf Of Bill
> Allison
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:46 PM
> To: GlennPatton
> Cc: Coral List
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Objective Science?
> 
> At this time temperature seems to be the primary controlling factor.
> The authors plainly expect calcium to be a limiting factor in the
> future.
> Curious that wasn't mentioned in the abstract but I suppose it would
> have decreased readership and opportunities for faux-controversy.
> 
> Here is the closing para:
> "Seawater carbon chemistry is a key determinant of coral
> calcification, and the potential for future anthropogenic-influenced
> declines in carbonate saturation state, and hence coral
> calcification, is cause for serious concern
> (*2*<http://www.sciencemag.org.myaccess.library.utoronto.ca/content/
> 335/6068/593.full#ref-2>,
> *4*<http://www.sciencemag.org.myaccess.library.utoronto.ca/content/3
> 35/6068/593.full#ref-4>,
> *7*<http://www.sciencemag.org.myaccess.library.utoronto.ca/content/3
> 35/6068/593.full#ref-7>).
> However, we conclude that the rate of change in the thermal
> environment of coral reefs is currently the primary driver of change
> in coral calcification rates. Warming SSTs are resulting in (i)
> increased calcification rates reported here in the southeast Indian
> Ocean, where marginal reefs have taken advantage of warmer
> conditions, and (ii) recent declines reported elsewhere for more
> typical reef environments where thermal optima for calcification
> have been exceeded or resulted in setbacks in growth as a result of
> thermally induced bleaching. Whether the former is sustainable as
> oceans continue to warm is another question."
> 
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:53 AM, GlennPatton <glenn at glennpatton.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > FYI, A peer-reviewed study that I have not seen referenced on this
> list.
> >
> > http://www.sciencemag.org/content/335/6068/593.abstract
> >
> > Growth of Western Australian Corals in the Anthropocene Timothy F.
> > Cooper, Rebecca A. O?Leary, Janice M. Lough
> >
> > Abstract
> > Anthropogenic increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide lead to
> warmer 
> > sea surface temperatures and altered ocean chemistry. Experimental
> > evidence suggests that coral calcification decreases as aragonite
> > saturation drops but increases as temperatures rise toward
> thresholds 
> > optimal for coral growth. In situ studies have documented alarming
> > recent declines in calcification rates on several tropical coral
> reef 
> > ecosystems. We show there is no widespread pattern of consistent
> > decline in calcification rates of massive Porites during the 20th
> > century on reefs spanning an 11? latitudinal range in the
> southeast 
> > Indian Ocean off Western Australia. Increasing calcification rates
> on 
> > the high-latitude reefs contrast with the downward trajectory
> reported 
> > for corals on Australia?s Great Barrier Reef and provide
> additional 
> > evidence that recent changes in coral calcification are responses
> to 
> > temperature rather than ocean acidification.
> >
> > Other info about the study.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2012/02/01/335.6068.593.DC1/
> Co
> > oper.S
> > OM.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> http://data.aims.gov.au/metadataviewer/faces/view.xhtml?uuid=4f39c64
> 1-
> > 8450-4
> > ea0-b2b6-4f3d582645f8
> >
> > Other references to this study.
> >
> >
> http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2012/02/warmer-waters-good-f
> or
> > -coral
> > -growth/
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=corals-more-threate
> ne
> > d-by-t
> > emperature-than-acidifying-ocean
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Glenn Patton
> > www.glennpatton.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> ________________________________
> Is this how science illuminates "reality"? - "the meaning of an
> episode was not inside like a kernel but outside, enveloping the
> talk which brought it out only as a glow brings out a haze."
> - narrator's comment about Marlow's tale-telling, in Heart of
> Darkness
> (Conrad)
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> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:27:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Objective Science?
> To: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov"
> <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> Cc: Bill Allison <allison.billiam at gmail.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<30305170.1328797654373.JavaMail.root at wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlin
> k.net>
> 	
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> The good news is that peer-reviewed studies relating to
> corals published in accredited scientific journals is
> exactly what needs to be focused on when examining the 
> issue of climate change and its impact on reef ecology.
> We should all be open to new, credible information
> regardless of whether it reinforces or contradicts an 
> established predisposition.
>  
> There are many aspects of the current climate regime that 
> create uncertainties for those of us concerned with the future
> of marine ecosystems. Rest assured that there is no resistance
> to the consideration of the science in the study referenced. 
> Only a reminder that it is the science that should be evaluated, 
> not the politics. 
> 
> I might point out that one of the sites recommended for further 
> information regarding that study
> (www.australianclimatemadness.com)
> is clearly interested in more than pure scientific concerns. 
> 
> None of us should be asking for more than to allow real and 
> unaffected science to decidedly rule the day.
> 
>   Steve
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Bill Allison <allison.billiam at gmail.com>
> >Sent: Feb 8, 2012 10:45 PM, >To: GlennPatton
> <glenn at glennpatton.com>
> >Cc: Coral List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> >Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Objective Science?
> >
> >At this time temperature seems to be the primary controlling
> factor. The
> >authors plainly expect calcium to be a limiting factor in the
> future.
> >Curious that wasn't mentioned in the abstract but I suppose it
> would have
> >decreased readership and opportunities for faux-controversy.
> >
> >Here is the closing para:
> >"Seawater carbon chemistry is a key determinant of coral
> calcification, and
> >the potential for future anthropogenic-influenced declines in
> carbonate
> >saturation state, and hence coral calcification, is cause for
> serious
> >concern
> (*2*<http://www.sciencemag.org.myaccess.library.utoronto.ca/content/
> 335/6068/593.full#ref-2>,
> >*4*<http://www.sciencemag.org.myaccess.library.utoronto.ca/content/
> 335/6068/593.full#ref-4>,
> >*7*<http://www.sciencemag.org.myaccess.library.utoronto.ca/content/
> 335/6068/593.full#ref-7>).
> >However, we conclude that the rate of change in the thermal
> environment of
> >coral reefs is currently the primary driver of change in coral
> >calcification rates. Warming SSTs are resulting in (i) increased
> >calcification rates reported here in the southeast Indian Ocean,
> where
> >marginal reefs have taken advantage of warmer conditions, and (ii)
> recent
> >declines reported elsewhere for more typical reef environments
> where
> >thermal optima for calcification have been exceeded or resulted in
> setbacks
> >in growth as a result of thermally induced bleaching. Whether the
> former is
> >sustainable as oceans continue to warm is another question."
> >
> >On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:53 AM, GlennPatton <glenn at glennpatton.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> FYI, A peer-reviewed study that I have not seen referenced on
> this list.
> >>
> >> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/335/6068/593.abstract
> >>
> >> Growth of Western Australian Corals in the Anthropocene
> >> Timothy F. Cooper, Rebecca A. O?Leary, Janice M. Lough
> >>
> >> Abstract
> >> Anthropogenic increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide lead to
> warmer sea
> >> surface temperatures and altered ocean chemistry. Experimental
> evidence
> >> suggests that coral calcification decreases as aragonite
> saturation drops
> >> but increases as temperatures rise toward thresholds optimal for
> coral
> >> growth. In situ studies have documented alarming recent declines
> in
> >> calcification rates on several tropical coral reef ecosystems. We
> show
> >> there
> >> is no widespread pattern of consistent decline in calcification
> rates of
> >> massive Porites during the 20th century on reefs spanning an
> 11?
> >> latitudinal
> >> range in the southeast Indian Ocean off Western Australia.
> Increasing
> >> calcification rates on the high-latitude reefs contrast with the
> downward
> >> trajectory reported for corals on Australia?s Great Barrier Reef
> and
> >> provide
> >> additional evidence that recent changes in coral calcification
> are
> >> responses
> >> to temperature rather than ocean acidification.
> >>
> >> Other info about the study.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2012/02/01/335.6068.593.DC1/
> Cooper.S
> >> OM.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://data.aims.gov.au/metadataviewer/faces/view.xhtml?uuid=4f39c64
> 1-8450-4
> >> ea0-b2b6-4f3d582645f8
> >>
> >> Other references to this study.
> >>
> >>
> http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2012/02/warmer-waters-good-f
> or-coral
> >> -growth/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=corals-more-threate
> ned-by-t
> >> emperature-than-acidifying-ocean
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Glenn Patton
> >> www.glennpatton.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Coral-List mailing list
> >> Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> >> http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >________________________________
> >Is this how science illuminates "reality"? - "the meaning of an
> episode was
> >not inside like a kernel but outside, enveloping the talk which
> brought it
> >out only as a glow brings out a haze."
> >- narrator's comment about Marlow's tale-telling, in Heart of
> Darkness
> >(Conrad)
> >_______________________________________________
> >Coral-List mailing list
> >Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> >http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list
> 
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