[Coral-List] Paper availability - case of Manicina areolata distribution

[Ulf Erlingsson]

Dear All,

I hope that you are all aware of that search engines are increasingly becoming personalized. What author A finds is not necessarily the same as what referee B finds.

Ulf

On 2013-06-10, at 09:59, vassil zlatarski wrote:

> Dear Abigail and All,
> 
> I am really surprised by the results of your Google usage.  If you really copy and paste the bibliographic data about the third reference of my posting will appear all information about this book, which is largely used by any interested of reef corals of Florida, Caribbean and Bahamas.  Same, if you use the authors' names, Google will offer you information about the second book.  The older referred book was sent
> on time with compliments to our Coral Reefs Editor in Chief.  Both he and his Assistant are veterans in this region reef corals and aware of that book.  
> 
> Indeed, you raised a larger point - how lucky the researchers and all interested we are are in the Google Era and about all risks of usage the computer Informatics.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Vassil
> 
>  
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> ________________________________
> From: Abigail Moore <abigail2105 at yahoo.com>
> To: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov" <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:14 AM
> Subject: [Coral-List] Paper availability - case of Manicina areolata distribution
> 
> 
> Dear Coral-Listers
> 
> when papers are mentionned on coral-list I usually make a point of trying to obtain and read them. I was surprised that the two papers quoted in the somewhat critical posting pasted below seem unfindable on Google (ordinary or scholar) using the name of the species in question and even adding the names of the authors or the papers (though they may be on page nnn... ). It is very likely that the authors of the paper criticised tried hard to find references on the species studied (Manicina areolata) but it seems that they would be very unlikely to come across those two publications except by pure serendipity.
> 
> This raises a larger point - there is just so much information and data out there. But despite the wonderful communications technology we all enjoy (even if it can almost drive us mad too when it doesn't work), there is just so much we still cannot access, e.g. because it is only in hard copy (and not where we can get
> to it) or we don't have the right (or any) subscriptions, or it just isn't listed in the right places (those each of us can access).
> 
> I therefore feel very strongly that whenever any of us can help by providing such data/information, we should do so, rather than berating someone for not managing to find it on their own. 
> 
> 
> I see that the poster (Dr Vassil Zlarski) is an author of one of 
> the papers in question. I therefore humbly suggest that perhaps he/she would like to make it available - perhaps even through the Carmabi site - and let coral-listers know. That would make a very constructive posting, adding to everyone's knowledge. 
> 
> Best regards to all concerned and all coral-listers!
> 
> Abigail
> 
> Abigail Moore
> Sekolah Tinggi Perikanan dan Kelautan (STPL)
> Kampus Madani, Jl Soekarno-Hatta
> Palu 94118, Sulawesi Tengah
> Indonesia
> 
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 04:19:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: vassil
> zlatarski <vzlatarski at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Coral-List] Carmabi annual report - Manicina areolata
>     distribution
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark, for offering access to Carmabi Annual Report and publications..? 
> May I pay attention to one published statement.? Meesters, E. H., B. 
> Mueller & M. M. Nugues (*) reported presence of Manicina areolata in
> depth of 30-50 m and declared that this species has not been reported 
> from such a deep habitat.? This does not correspond to what is well 
> known, because three decades ago it was published living in more than 
> two dozens deep localities (**) and in a largely used recent book (***) 
> for this species is given "Depth: 2 - 200 ft."? I am sure some 
> colleagues will have in mind also other examples. One wonders how was 
> presented such manuscript for
> publishing in Coral Reefs.? I tried
> but 
> did not receive answer from the Editor in Chief about who communicated 
> the mentioned Reef site.
> 
> (*) Meesters, E. H., B. Mueller, M. M. Nugues. 2012. Caribbean free-living coral species co-occurring deep off
> the windward coast of Curacao. Coral Reefs, DOI
> 10.1007/s00338-012-0960-6 or Coral Reefs (2013) 32: 109. 
> (**)Zlatarski, V. N., MartinezEstalella. 1982. Les Scl?ractiniares de
> Cuba avec des donn?es sur la organismes associ?s. Edit. Acad?mie bulgare des Sciences, Sofia, 472
> p., annexe 1. 
> (***) Humann, P.., N. Deloach. 2006. Reef coral identification: Florida, Caribbean, Bahamas..? New World Publications, 287 p.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Vassil 
> 
> Vassil Zlatarski
> D.Sc. (Biology), Ph.D. (Geology)
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