[Coral-List] fish and algae

[Dennis Hubbard]

Thanks Steve:

This is a possibility I was thinking about when I posted. Do you know of a
reference that discusses this. I think that all my HUM-SS students can be
made to appreciate the subtlety that exists in well-tuned natural systems
such that things "normally" beneficial become more insidious when seemingly
unrelated things come into play. If this is actually happening, this is a
great demonstration of this idea. We have already talked in class about how
the efficiency of well-tuned systems that fiercely recycle and have adapted
to do a lot with very little are the most easily perturbed as it take such
a small disturbance to disrupt that balance.

There is a growing tension I see in our classes. SS-HUM students self
identify as a "non-science type" and translate this into either a defeatist
attitude or an opinion that science is not relevant. In contrast NS
students bury themselves in a vertical curriculum and view things like
environmental and social justice issues as something for someone else to
deal with.  I got pretty used to seeing this in students, but am still
disappointed when I see it in professional coral-reef scientists and
management-oriented colleagues.

In my opinion, this is the NUMBER ONE issue we need to deal with if we are
going to resolve all the issues we pontificate about on the listserve. We
can argue over divers touching and feeding things and clever ways to
package our ideas, but if we forget the student audience by advocating our
small piece of intellectual territory, we're going to do even worse that
the evolution and climate change community in making any headway. So,
thanks to those of you who can help me explain this complex issue to my
"non-NS students".... and especially those geezers among you who still
remember when reef scientists talked across disciplines. Sorry for the rant
- it's been a long week.

Dennis

Denni


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Steve Gittings - NOAA Federal <
steve.gittings at noaa.gov> wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> Interesting observation.  Perhaps the essence of the "delicate balance" is
> that, when an ecosystem has it, the natural state enables the ecosystem
> service  - predators keeping damselfish in check, allowing those surviving
> ones to tend gardens while keeping  few corals out.  It still leaves plenty
> of space for other species and interactions, each of which provides its own
> services.  When out of balance, the natural behaviors, which of course
> continue, turn what had been an ecosystem service into what can only be
> considered an "ecosystem disservice" - high damselfish populations
> inhibiting corals and promoting algae.  In this case, the problem is
> exacerbated not only by overfishing, but by the *Diadema *dieoff.
>
> sg
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Dennis Hubbard <
> dennis.hubbard at oberlin.edu> wrote:
>
>> When I was a young reef geologist, I was told by most biologists visiting
>> West Indies Lab that Damselfish "farm" the algal turfs and actually crop
>> them for maximum yield. As such, they help maintain this autotrophic
>> system
>> which transforms organic carbon and nutrient into a form (algal tissue)
>> that can work its way up the food chain. Walter Adey used turfs to
>> maintain
>> balance in his "microcosms" at the Smithsonian, has been a valued
>> consultant to aquaria (including the large GBR tank) and has received
>> patents for "algal scrubbers". So my sense was that the service provided
>> by
>> both the turfs and the fish that regulated them is still recognized.
>>
>> I was just looking for photos to shamelessly use for class and came across
>> an NPR piece (*Tiny Damselfish May Destroy a Ree*f) dated August 11 in
>> which Richard Harris (who regularly appears on *Morning Edition* and *All
>> Things Considered*) described a "war going on between corals and 'a
>> creeping menace'.... algae". This crux of the story is that parrotfish are
>> the "allies of coral" and 'damselfish promote algal growth by killing
>> coral
>> to create new space for algal colonization'. Enter the fishermen who have
>> taken out the predators who used to "keep the damselfish in check". The
>> result is that damselfish are disproportionately opening up more space by
>> killing corals while scaring off the "coral-friendly" parrots by shear
>> tenacity.
>>
>> Might anyone put this into perspective for me so I don't tell a story that
>> is no longer true? Each of these points has a ring of truth... overfishing
>> is real and algae can inhibit coral recruitment. However, the
>> transformation of damsels from fish "tending their gardens" to "the
>> primary
>> ally of the creeping manace" seems a bit dramatic. It also seems to
>> conflate algal turfs (which I understand the damsels are cultivating) and
>> macroalgae (which can be equally damaging to both corals and turfs by
>> shading and a host of other pathways).
>>
>> As I hope to get to this in about a week in class, I'd appreciate it if
>> folks who are closer to this can give me a sense of whether eradicating
>> algal turfs and the scurrilous damselfish that encourage them is the new
>> reef paradigm. If there is a place I can send a smart undergraduate (not
>> necessarily a NS student) to read about this new balance, that would be
>> even better. What I have read has argued that there are ties between
>> macro-algal proliferation and both overfishing and increased nutrient
>> input. While there have been numerous thoughtful discussions about the
>> details of these interactions, I have understood that both of these
>> possible linkages are are still considered to act at some level. I can
>> also
>> imagine a delicate balance between the benefits of encouraging turfs and
>> clearing space by chomping on live coral.... and that fishing has impacted
>> this. My question is whether situation portrayed in this NPR interview is
>> correct and that the damselfish/turf ralationship shas gon awry to the
>> point that we need to stop worrying about lionfish and focus on what I
>> agree is, "pound-for-pound", the meanest fish on the reef.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> --
>> Dennis Hubbard
>> Chair, Dept of Geology-Oberlin College Oberlin OH 44074
>> (440) 775-8346
>>
>> * "When you get on the wrong train.... every stop is the wrong stop"*
>>  Benjamin Stein: "*Ludes, A Ballad of the Drug and the Dream*"
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-- 
Dennis Hubbard
Chair, Dept of Geology-Oberlin College Oberlin OH 44074
(440) 775-8346

* "When you get on the wrong train.... every stop is the wrong stop"*
 Benjamin Stein: "*Ludes, A Ballad of the Drug and the Dream*"