[Coral-List] notice particularly paragraph 5

[Jay Burkos]

Steve,

All the best, but it seems a shame that a email list on coral reefs has
morphed into 90% global warming.   I relish the information on it, of
course, but am tired of the focus and how it has been lost.

I realize global climate change is important.   Yet, there is more than one
issue.   I hear so little about legislation or campaigns to end coastal
wetland destruction.  Almost nothing on acidification.

So, thanks everyone for some good discussions, but there are plenty of
threads for GW.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net> wrote:

Jay,

The irony is in the fact that you choose to compare the two at all.
I don't see any evidence of science dealing with anything approaching the
metaphysical in it's attempts to investigate and understand the dynamics of
climate change. On the other hand one has to be living in an alternate
reality to suggest that coral reefs and polar bears are benefiting from
it's impact. I believe we live in different worlds .  . . that's a truth,
no evidence required.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: Jay Burkos
>Sent: Mar 25, 2014 1:30 PM
>To: Steve Mussman
>Cc: Michael Risk , "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov"
>Subject: Re: [Coral-List] notice particularly paragraph 5
>
>Ironically, they would say the same thing about those who believe in
>man made climate change.
>
>I also caution on using words like "truth". Truth is a philosophical
>term that requires a belief without evidence. Fact is evidence.
>Science should deal in fact, not truth.
>
>This seems like a pedantic argument if you are a true believer.
>However, let's be clear that even gravity is a theory that should be
>simple but is vastly stranger than anyone can realize.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 25, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Steve Mussman wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>> Of course you are right to challenge their assertions, but the problem
>> remains that even the finest science available canât affect insensible
>> beliefs that are reinforced by a contrived set of anomalous facts. We are
>> dealing with an ideological movement unencumbered by the constraints of
>> rationality and judiciousness that serves to restrain the opposing
culture
>> of science. We are faced with a frustrating conundrum. To engage them
only
>> emboldens and lends legitimacy to their argument by creating a false
sense
>> of equivalency. To ignore them as you say lets them further cultivate a
>> doctrine that is likely to lead to an ecological catastrophe. In the end
we
>> really have no choice but to take them on one by one if need be. It's
>> maddening, but we must remain resilient in the hope that public awareness
>> will ultimately right the ship in time. One thing is for sure, we need
more
>> warriors willing to take on the risks inherent in speaking truth to
power.
>> Steve
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