[Coral-List] please comment

[Douglas Fenner]

Elizabeth,
     I think a fair number of cruise ship passengers will buy a bag full of
trinkets during their day ashore.  However, I bet even one day of diving
will cost that much or more.  Most divers probably stay around a week.
Even at 5 days of diving, that may be about 5 times as much as the cruise
ship passenger spends.  Then add the hotel and meals, all of which goes
into the local economy.  You might end up with the average diver spending
10 times as much locally as the average cruise ship passenger, I wouldn't
be surprised.
     But actual data would be much more powerful than my guesses.  I wonder
if either the Caymans chamber of commerce, or a government agency there
might have data on how much is spent per year by divers in the Caymans
compared to cruise ship passengers.
     Cheers,  Doug

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Elizabeth Silleck <
elizabeth.silleck at gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve, that is an excellent point. I do not have numbers, but if anyone has
> contacts with a local business who would testify, in specific detail, about
> their revenue streams relative to dive/long-term stay tourism vs. cruise
> ships, it could be powerful also. I know my friends in Cozumel who run a
> dive shop will tell you the same thing--many of the cruise ship tourists
> get their wrist bands, spend the day lounging at an all-inclusive consuming
> free drinks, and MAYBE buy cheap trinkets in town.
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Steve Palumbi <spalumbi at stanford.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Ellen and all, The other aspect of this kind of thing is that cruise
> > ship tourism brings very little new income to local merchants,
> restaurants
> > or hotels. The costs are paid by the town to build the pier and then the
> > tourists stay on the ship and spend very little. So that is my question
> for
> > the virtual group - does anyone have numbers for tourism value for an
> acre
> > of good reef per year vs local value for cruise ships? Gathering these
> > numbers up and passing them along may help.
> >
> > Steve
> > **********************************
> > Stephen R. Palumbi
> > Harold A Miller Director, Hopkins Marine Station
> > Jane and Marshall Steel Professor of Biology
> > Stanford University
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 1, 2015, at 8:03 PM, Ellen Prager <pragere at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Coral listers
> > >
> > > The Minister of Tourism in Grand Cayman is pushing a plan to build an
> > extended cruise/port pier. The Environmental Impact Statement is very
> > clear, it will destroy acres of coral reef and the indirect impacts
> remain
> > questionable.
> > >
> > > Grand Cayman's nearshore reefs are surprisingly healthy (relatively
> > speaking) and still have fish, sea turtles, sharks etc. The plan mentions
> > coral transplants and relocation as mitigation - but you cannot
> transplant
> > or relocate entire reef structures (this is not just a few coral heads)..
> > >
> > > Please take a moment if you would and comment on the plan to their
> > Department of Environment.  Sorry for the short notice….the comment
> period
> > closes July 3rd.
> > > Here is the link to the plan and information:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.doe.ky/proposed-cruise-berthing-facility-eia-consultation-june-2015/
> > >
> > > The Cruise Industry was not aware of the plan and is now reviewing it
> > and I have urged some of the major players to oppose the plan from their
> > end as well.
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > > Ellen
> > >
> > > Dr. Ellen Prager
> > > Earth2Ocean, Inc
> > > @elprager
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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