[Coral-List] Teaching mega fauna to eat invasive volitans
CORALations Culebra
coralations at gmail.com
Thu Mar 10 09:44:28 EST 2016
Is it in any way possible that these animals could be injured?
For example- is it possible mega fauna that preys on lion fish in the Pacific have co-evolved mechanisms to denature the toxin, where predators in the Caribbean have not ----given how recent and virulent has been the Caribbean invasion?
Just worried about introducing trends that could in any way have been made possible for these great predators species by millions of years of selection- and our issue we humans are not yet aware that these mechanisms exist within certain spacial (geographical) boundaries.
Precaution perspective.
What about the focussed development of human predation given humans (possibly) may be easier to educate by other humans.....and their predation of other species has been so dramatic?
For sure humans seen as a source of a quick meal could increase human-predator conflicts that may result in even more grave population consequences for sharks.
Mary Ann Lucking
CORALations
PO BOX 750
Culebra, PR 00775
787-556-6234
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> 1. Teaching Mega-Fauna to eat Invasive P. Volitans (Damien Beri)
> 2. Coral-List Nation: 9,000 (James Hendee)
> 3. Re: Coral-List Nation: 9,000 (Steve LeGore)
> 4. Re: Teaching Mega-Fauna to eat Invasive P. Volitans (Sean Hoetjes)
> 5. Re: Teaching Mega-Fauna to eat Invasive P. Volitans
> (Dennis Hubbard)
> 6. Caribbean coral nursery consortium (Alison Moulding)
> 7. Re: Grand Cayman (Steve Mussman)
> 8. Cyber Tools for Research - EarthCube webinar on Friday, March
> 11 by CRESCYNT, Coral Reef Science and Cyberinfrastructure
> Network (Ouida Meier)
> 9. Re: Teaching Mega-Fauna to eat Invasive P. Volitans (Paul Hoetjes)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 13:58:49 -0500
> From: Damien Beri <beridl at g.cofc.edu>
> Subject: [Coral-List] Teaching Mega-Fauna to eat Invasive P. Volitans
> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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> Hello my esteemed coral enthusiasts,
>
> Here's a topic for debate,
>
> Ecotourism or Eco-Solution?
>
> As we all know the Lionfish invasion of the Caribbean has severely altered the feeding structure of the present reefs.
>
> While some may could find it controversial to work hands on with animals of these communities to try and develops their taste for this insidious white meat, I would like to know your thoughts.
>
> Here is a video where I am directly feeding live Lion Fish to some pretty massive Black Tips;
>
>
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0rRTUjldicU
>
>
>
> Please let me know your thoughts on the PROs Vs. CONs of this mitigation method.
>
> Let's make helping the reefs exhilarating!
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Damien Beri
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 14:04:48 -0500
> From: James Hendee <jim.hendee at noaa.gov>
> Subject: [Coral-List] Coral-List Nation: 9,000
> To: Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
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> Greetings,
>
> I do this every 1,000 new subscribers we add to Coral-List. We now
> have a total of over 9,000 subscribers to Coral-List. May you continue
> to discuss the important issues of the day relevant to the conservation
> of coral reef ecosystems, and spread the word to help preserve this
> wonderful natural resource.
>
> On behalf of the Coral-List team of Mike Jankulak, Lew Gramer and
> myself, thank you for your support.
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> Cheers,
> Jim
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 14:10:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Steve LeGore <slegore at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Coral-List Nation: 9,000
> To: James Hendee <jim.hendee at noaa.gov>, Coral-List
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> Wow! that's quite a milestone, Jim. Thank you for the hard work offered by your entire team!
>
> Steve LeGore
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> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Hendee <jim.hendee at noaa.gov>
>> Sent: Mar 9, 2016 2:04 PM
>> To: Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
>> Subject: [Coral-List] Coral-List Nation: 9,000
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I do this every 1,000 new subscribers we add to Coral-List. We now
>> have a total of over 9,000 subscribers to Coral-List. May you continue
>> to discuss the important issues of the day relevant to the conservation
>> of coral reef ecosystems, and spread the word to help preserve this
>> wonderful natural resource.
>>
>> On behalf of the Coral-List team of Mike Jankulak, Lew Gramer and
>> myself, thank you for your support.
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>> Cheers,
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 19:20:42 +0000
> From: Sean Hoetjes <S.Hoetjes at student.has.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Teaching Mega-Fauna to eat Invasive P.
> Volitans
> To: Damien Beri <beridl at g.cofc.edu>, "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov"
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> Hi Damien,
>
> It seems like a possible solution, developing the taste of these white tips.. I have one question however. How do you ensure the sharks won't die from the poison in the Lion Fish's spines when the sharks are possibly punctured by these?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sean Hoetjes
>
> ________________________________________
> Van: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov <coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml..noaa.gov> namens Damien Beri <beridl at g.cofc.edu>
> Verzonden: woensdag 9 maart 2016 19:58
> Aan: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> Onderwerp: [Coral-List] Teaching Mega-Fauna to eat Invasive P. Volitans
>
> Hello my esteemed coral enthusiasts,
>
> Here's a topic for debate,
>
> Ecotourism or Eco-Solution?
>
> As we all know the Lionfish invasion of the Caribbean has severely altered the feeding structure of the present reefs.
>
> While some may could find it controversial to work hands on with animals of these communities to try and develops their taste for this insidious white meat, I would like to know your thoughts.
>
> Here is a video where I am directly feeding live Lion Fish to some pretty massive Black Tips;
>
>
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0rRTUjldicU
>
>
>
> Please let me know your thoughts on the PROs Vs. CONs of this mitigation method.
>
> Let's make helping the reefs exhilarating!
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Damien Beri
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 14:34:13 -0500
> From: Dennis Hubbard <dennis.hubbard at oberlin.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Teaching Mega-Fauna to eat Invasive P.
> Volitans
> To: Damien Beri <beridl at g.cofc.edu>
> Cc: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov" <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
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> Damien:
>
> I have several good friends who have commented on the number of expensive
> spear guns they have seen heading over the wall trailing a mouthfull of
> lionfish. They have also noted that the sharks are getting increasingly
> aggressive. This last January, we took 10 students to the US Virgin Islands
> and a reasonable sized shark took a more than passive interest in them as
> they were doing a reef transect.
>
> I have posted before on my concerns over whether the hubris of "*Homo
> stupidus*" has exerted greater problems in causing problems or feeling they
> can "fix" them. Perhaps it's my backwoods bent, but it just seemed like you
> were having a bit too much fun trying to "make killing something
> exhilerating".
>
> Dennis
>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Damien Beri <beridl at g.cofc.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hello my esteemed coral enthusiasts,
>>
>> Here's a topic for debate,
>>
>> Ecotourism or Eco-Solution?
>>
>> As we all know the Lionfish invasion of the Caribbean has severely altered
>> the feeding structure of the present reefs.
>>
>> While some may could find it controversial to work hands on with animals
>> of these communities to try and develops their taste for this insidious
>> white meat, I would like to know your thoughts.
>>
>> Here is a video where I am directly feeding live Lion Fish to some pretty
>> massive Black Tips;
>>
>>
>>
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0rRTUjldicU
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me know your thoughts on the PROs Vs. CONs of this mitigation
>> method.
>>
>> Let's make helping the reefs exhilarating!
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Damien Beri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>> Coral-List mailing list
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>
>
> --
> Dennis Hubbard
> Chair, Dept of Geology-Oberlin College Oberlin OH 44074
> (440) 775-8346
>
> * "When you get on the wrong train.... every stop is the wrong stop"*
> Benjamin Stein: "*Ludes, A Ballad of the Drug and the Dream*"
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 21:22:04 +0000
> From: Alison Moulding <moulding at nova.edu>
> Subject: [Coral-List] Caribbean coral nursery consortium
> To: coral list <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
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> NOAA Fisheries is compiling a list of contacts for those working with coral nurseries and population enhancement in the Caribbean. We would like to develop a consortium to facilitate communication, information exchange, and coordination among practitioners. If you are interested in participating and think we may not know who you are, please send me your name, email, organization, and country where you work.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Alison Moulding
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 16:49:10 -0500 (EST)
> From: Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Grand Cayman
> To: Regina Woodrom Rudrud <reginal at hawaii.edu>,
> coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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>
> The reefs on Grand Cayman are rapidly fading away and still they continue to
> further insult and degrade their marine ecosystem by planning for a new
> cruise ship berthing pier and now this.
> How does it go? "They paved paradise and put up a parking lot . With a
> pink hotel, a boutique and a swinging hot spot. Don't it always seem to go
> that you don't know what you've got ?til it's gone". Perhaps Joni
> Mitchell had this in mind when almost 50 years ago she suggested that all
> the trees would one day only be found in a tree museum. As for the future
> of Grand Cayman's coral reefs, looks like they need to draw up plans for a
> coral reef museum . . . and don't you know that they will charge all the
> people more than a dollar and a half just to see them.
> Regards,
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Regina Woodrom Rudrud
>> Sent: Mar 4, 2016 12:01 PM
>> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>> Subject: [Coral-List] Grand Cayman
>>
>> https://caymannewsservice.com/2016/03/dart-seeks-to-dig-up-7mb-beachrock/
>>
>> Regina Woodrom Rudrud, PhD
>> Specializing in Sea Turtle Conservation Biology and Small Island Human
> Ecology
>> Maritime and Fisheries Anthropologist,
>> Ecological Anthropology Program, Department of Anthropology, College of
> Social Sciences
>> Ocean Scientist, Department of Oceanography and Marine Option Program,
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 11:59:37 -1000
> From: Ouida Meier <omeier at hawaii.edu>
> Subject: [Coral-List] Cyber Tools for Research - EarthCube webinar on
> Friday, March 11 by CRESCYNT, Coral Reef Science and
> Cyberinfrastructure Network
> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 18:01:59 -0400
> From: Paul Hoetjes <phoetjes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Teaching Mega-Fauna to eat Invasive P.
> Volitans
> To: Damien Beri <beridl at g.cofc.edu>, "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov"
> <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
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> Dear Damien,
>
> Feeding lionfish to predators is not only NOT a solution, but also a really
> really bad idea. First, you cannot possibly train enough predators to eat
> lionfish to have any measurable effect, and since there is no train the
> trainers program for predators, they will not teach their fellow predators..
> Predation on lionfish will happen naturally or not at all.
> Second, these misguided attempts have led to many serious incidents and
> dangerous situations all over the region. When you teach potentially
> dangerous predators that humans will feed them, they will become
> conditioned to this and will start looking for food from any diver, often
> harassing or even attacking them. This has led to serious moray bites and
> shark bites of people hunting lionfish but also of people who were just
> diving and had no idea why they were suddenly attacked. Not good for
> tourism, and definitely not ecotourism.
>
> Just a very bad idea!
>
> Best,
> Paul
>
>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Damien Beri <beridl at g.cofc.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hello my esteemed coral enthusiasts,
>>
>> Here's a topic for debate,
>>
>> Ecotourism or Eco-Solution?
>>
>> As we all know the Lionfish invasion of the Caribbean has severely altered
>> the feeding structure of the present reefs.
>>
>> While some may could find it controversial to work hands on with animals
>> of these communities to try and develops their taste for this insidious
>> white meat, I would like to know your thoughts.
>>
>> Here is a video where I am directly feeding live Lion Fish to some pretty
>> massive Black Tips;
>>
>>
>>
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0rRTUjldicU
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me know your thoughts on the PROs Vs. CONs of this mitigation
>> method.
>>
>> Let's make helping the reefs exhilarating!
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Damien Beri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>> Coral-List mailing list
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