[Coral-List] Bleaching refuges

Thu Mar 31 21:27:59 EDT 2016

Right, Doug,  but coral this release of CO2 into the water during the
calcification process is a natural process which I would not consider
as a  threat with regard to impairing  the situation of increasing CO2
in the atmosphere. Am I right?
Cheers,
Pedro

On 3/31/16, Douglas Fenner <douglasfennertassi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately, the calcification process actually releases CO2 into the
> water, even though C is put into the skeleton (in the form of carbonate,
> CO3).
> It is counter intuitive.
>
> Cheers,  Doug
>
> WARE, J. R., S. V. SMITH, AND M. L. REAKA-KUDLA. 1992. Coral reefs: Sources
> or sinks of atmospheric CO,? Coral Reefs 11: 127-130.
>
> Frankignoulle, M., Canon, C., Gattuso, J-P. 1994.  Marine calcification as
> a source of carbon dioxide: Positive feedback of increasing atmospheric
> CO2.
> Limnol. Oceanogr. 39: 458-462.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Damien Beri <beridl at g.cofc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Carbon credits
>>
>> As insidious as it is to sell the ability to pollute, cooperations that
>> want to "reduce their carbon footprint" buy carbon credits. Immediate
>> relief exceeds the long term problem in my opinion... for now.  Since
>> scleractinians sequester CO2 they act as green house gas
>> sinks/reservoirs/banks/investments and essentially are a continuous
>> carbon
>> credit principle.
>>
>> If cloud seeding, or tarping the surface of the water saves X amount of
>> corals, which go on to sequester Y amount more carbon then this is worth
>> real money world wide.  So technically if a company saves coral, then
>> they
>> are sequestering CO2 and if they are sequestering CO2 then they are
>> creating carbon credits, and if they are creating carbon credits they are
>> making money... Which is what everyone cares about anyways, money. We
>> care
>> about these corals and so its symbiotic, both parties benefit.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Douglas Fenner
>> <douglasfennertassi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> In the U.S., there is a national law called the "Clean Water Act."  I
>> believe the U.S. federal government Environmental Protection Agency is
>> designated to enforce it.  Some states may have similar state laws and
>> agencies.  I am not familiar enough with any of these to say whether they
>> would cover this sort of thing, but they might.
>>     Cheers,  Doug
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Pedro M Alcolado <gmalcolado at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Funding should come from  environmental agencies in charge of
>>> controlling land based pollution from rivers close to coral reefs.
>>> Indeed it is quite difficult to be achieved  being it a very expensive
>>> and complex intervention. I think it is worth  to try to demand
>>> cleaning or improving pollution control of such polluted rivers by
>>> local or national relevant stakeholders and governmental instances in
>>> charge. Do you have any other idea about achieving it in some degree?
>>> There are many examples of rivers where  luxuriant coral reefs thrived
>>> very close to their mouth in the past.
>>> Pedro
>>>
>>> On 3/30/16, Damien Beri <beridl at g.cofc.edu> wrote:
>>> > I agree, where would funding come from?
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Mar 29, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Douglas Fenner <
>>> douglasfennertassi at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Paul,
>>> >>    Well said, thank you very much for this idea.  I think this idea
>>> >> is
>>> a
>>> >> good one, and well worth trying.  We don't seem to have any other
>>> options
>>> >> at this point, and it could well work.     Cheers, Doug
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Paul Muir
>>> >>> <paul.muir at qm.qld.gov.au>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I proposed this idea many years ago (~2005!) on coral list and am
>>> >>> wondering if anyone ever tried anything like this? Given the current
>>> >>> bleaching on the northern GBR and likelihood of other areas being
>>> >>> hit
>>> >>> soon
>>> >>> perhaps it's worth someone doing a trial? Desperate times..
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Severe coral bleaching events can cause very high levels of coral
>>> >>> morality
>>> >>> and the recovery of reefs following such events can be very slow.
>>> >>> For
>>> >>> example, recovery of corals in the Seychelles Islands following the
>>> >>> severe
>>> >>> 1998 bleaching event was extremely slow and regional extinction of
>>> some
>>> >>> species a possibility. Localised extinctions and slow recovery could
>>> be
>>> >>> mitigated if small areas of reef were protected during bleaching
>>> events:
>>> >>> corals have extremely high  fecundity and only a few healthy
>>> individuals
>>> >>> of
>>> >>> each species would needed to accelerate recovery. Field observations
>>> and
>>> >>> studies of the physiology of coral bleaching suggest that shading
>>> corals
>>> >>> during a high temperature event can reduce mortality rates. Small
>>> areas
>>> >>> of
>>> >>> reef (to 10,000m2 area) could be provided with moderate shading by
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> use
>>> >>> of floating covers similar to those used in farm dams and industrial
>>> >>> ponds.
>>> >>> Such covers are light, float upon the water surface and could be
>>> rapidly
>>> >>> deployed from a small boat during a high-temperature event. The
>>> >>> covers
>>> >>> would be held in place with small anchors and inflatable seams would
>>> >>> provide a flexible, semi-rigid structure that would resist small
>>> >>> waves
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> swells at a protected site. High temperature bleaching events
>>> typically
>>> >>> occur during very flat, calm conditions over just a few weeks which
>>> >>> makes
>>> >>> deploying floating covers such as this feasible. Real-time
>>> >>> monitoring
>>> of
>>> >>> the development of bleaching conditions and small-scale engineering
>>> >>> solutions may become increasingly important for the preservation of
>>> >>> thermally sensitive species at local scales.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I can supply some ideas for a test-scale floating cover on request.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dr. Paul Muir
>>> >>> Research Officer/ Collection Manager Corals, Biodiversity &
>>> >>> Geosciences Program
>>> >>>
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>>> >> --
>>> >> Douglas Fenner
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>>> >>
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>>> >> "Belief in climate change is optional, participation is not."- Jim
>>> >> Beever.
>>> >>  "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own
>>> >> facts."-
>>> >> Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
>>> >>
>>> >> Record shattering February warmth bakes Alaska, Arctic 18oF
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/13/3759569/record-february-warmth-alaska-arctic/
>>> >>
>>> >> Sea level is now rising at the fastest rate in 3,000 years.
>>> >>
>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/sea-levels-are-rising-their-fastest-rate-2000-years?utm_campaign=email-news-latest&et_rid=17045989&et_cid=292592
>>> >>
>>> http://mashable.com/2016/02/22/manmade-sea-level-rise-flooding/#fscPLGedCiqz
>>> >>
>>> >> Miami is flooding: "The Siege of Miami, as temperatures rise, so will
>>> sea
>>> >> levels."  Sea level rising an inch a year there.
>>> >> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami
>>> >>
>>> >> website:  http://independent.academia.edu/DouglasFenner
>>> >>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Douglas Fenner
>> Consultant, corals, coral reefs, coral identification
>> "have regulator, will travel"
>> PO Box 7390
>> Pago Pago, American Samoa 96799  USA
>>
>> phone 1 684 622-7084
>>
>> Join the International Society for Reef Studies.  Membership includes a
>> subscription to the journal Coral Reefs, and there are discounts for pdf
>> subscriptions and developing countries.  Check it out!  www.fit.edu/isrs/
>>
>> "Belief in climate change is optional, participation is not."- Jim
>> Beever.
>>   "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own
>> facts."-
>> Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
>>
>> Solar can power more than 100 times America's current electricity needs,
>> a
>> new report finds
>>
>>
>> http://www.theclimategroup.org/what-we-do/news-and-blogs/solar-can-power-more-than-100-times-americas-current-electricity-needs-new-report-finds
>>
>> Record shattering February warmth bakes Alaska, Arctic 18oF
>>
>>
>> http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/13/3759569/record-february-warmth-alaska-arctic/
>>
>> Sea level is now rising at the fastest rate in 3,000 years.
>>
>> http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/sea-levels-are-rising-their-fastest-rate-2000-years?utm_campaign=email-news-latest&et_rid=17045989&et_cid=292592
>>
>> http://mashable.com/2016/02/22/manmade-sea-level-rise-flooding/#fscPLGedCiqz
>>
>> website:  http://independent.academia.edu/DouglasFenner
>>
>> blog: http://ocean.si.edu/blog/reefs-american-samoa-story-hope
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Douglas Fenner
> Consultant, corals, coral reefs, coral identification
> "have regulator, will travel"
> PO Box 7390
> Pago Pago, American Samoa 96799  USA
>
> phone 1 684 622-7084
>
> Join the International Society for Reef Studies.  Membership includes a
> subscription to the journal Coral Reefs, and there are discounts for pdf
> subscriptions and developing countries.  Check it out!  www.fit.edu/isrs/
>
> "Belief in climate change is optional, participation is not."- Jim Beever.
>   "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts."-
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
>
> Solar can power more than 100 times America's current electricity needs, a
> new report finds
>
> http://www.theclimategroup.org/what-we-do/news-and-blogs/solar-can-power-more-than-100-times-americas-current-electricity-needs-new-report-finds
>
> Record shattering February warmth bakes Alaska, Arctic 18oF
>
> http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/13/3759569/record-february-warmth-alaska-arctic/
>
> Sea level is now rising at the fastest rate in 3,000 years.
> http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/sea-levels-are-rising-their-fastest-rate-2000-years?utm_campaign=email-news-latest&et_rid=17045989&et_cid=292592
> http://mashable.com/2016/02/22/manmade-sea-level-rise-flooding/#fscPLGedCiqz
>
> website:  http://independent.academia.edu/DouglasFenner
>
> blog: http://ocean.si.edu/blog/reefs-american-samoa-story-hope
>