[Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
Steve Mussman
sealab at earthlink.net
Fri May 6 09:21:28 EDT 2016
" . . . the people to whom you re trying to communicate primarily listen to
the context channel"
Well then, let's put this into context.
How is our industry going to grow and prosper in a world with vastly
depleted coral reefs ecosystems? Can we compensate for the losses through
restoration efforts or by developing more artificial reefs? As marine
wildlife becomes more scarce can we facilitate interactions by provisioning?
Wait, aren't we already resorting to these measures and if so, isn't that
an indication that we already know where we are headed?
"land-based pollutants, over-fishing and climate change are among our chief
concerns.â
"But the diving industry doesnât feel it is responsible for any of those
things, so why should they fix them"?
The diving industry certainly isn't responsible for creating the problem,
but we have all contributed and let's not forget that our industry's fate is
in sync with that of coral reefs. We can't solve the problem alone, but
isn't in our own best interest to actively promote possible solutions?
"If you want to get their attention, develop some statistics and arguments
that show their businesses ARE ALREADY DYING and it will get worse if they
donât get more people back into the ocean, so theyâd better pay attention to
those âconcernsâ because of their bottom line"
As for the bottom line, the diving industry isn't what it used to be. Is it
just a coincidence that our industry and the world's coral reefs seem to be
traveling along parallel trajectories?
"And if your data doesnât show it already happening, and is escalating, then
they will ignore you as yet another gloom-and-doom environmentalist".
I guess that argument can always be used, but that brings us back to the
facts (content). Diving if anything is science based. Every diver is
immersed in gas laws and physics. Why not add a little more coral reef
ecology to the curriculum? After all, don't we owe it to them?
Regards,
Steve
.
----Original Message-----
From: Melbourne Briscoe
Sent: May 5, 2016 9:13 PM
To: 'Douglas Fenner' , 'Steve Mussman'
Cc: 'Stephen Frink' , coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
Subject: RE: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
LOL. Hippies lived in a fantasy world too!
âWhy is that message not getting full play within the diving industry?â
Because facts are not the issue. As many posters here on coral-list have
tried to point out. As Dan Kahan explains, communication takes place in two
channels simultaneously, one for content and one for context. You are all
over the content channel, full of facts and figures. But the people to whom
you re trying to communicate primarily listen to the context channelâ¦.what
does it mean to me? Do my friends and colleagues agree? Am I being scammed
by people looking for research money? Etc.
ââ¦land-based pollutants, over-fishing and climate change are among our
chief concerns.â
But the diving industry doesnât feel it is responsible for any of those
things, so why should they fix them, especially if they doubt the facts in
the first place?
If you want to get their attention, develop some statistics and arguments
that show their businesses ARE ALREADY DYING and it will get worse if they
donât get more people back into the ocean, so theyâd better pay attention to
those âconcernsâ because of their bottom line. And if your data doesnât show
it already happening, and is escalating, then they will ignore you as yet
another gloom-and-doom environmentalist.
Good luck.
From: Douglas Fenner [mailto:douglasfennertassi at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 17:22
To: Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
Cc: Melbourne Briscoe <Mel at briscoe.com>; Stephen Frink
<sf at stephenfrink.com>; coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
Well said!! "Right on!" as we hippies used to say! grin. (I wasn't really
a hippie)
On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Steve Mussman <[1]sealab at earthlink.net>
wrote:
Dear Melbourne,
I harbor no animosity towards DEMA. I simply feel that an organization
that has come to represent the leadership of the diving industry needs to
be held accountable for the industry's public positioning on these issues.
As I mentioned before, there are a lot of dedicated individuals within the
diving industry who are working hard to promote an environmental agenda,
but the impetus is not coming from the top. It is more of a grassroots
effort that often finds itself fighting a strong current that would seem
to prefer maintaining the status quo. Coral reefs are in trouble, of that
there is no doubt.. The scientific consensus is well established. I'm not
going out on a limb if I say that land-based pollutants, over-fishing and
climate change are among our chief concerns. Why is that message not
getting full play within the diving industry? Who is responsible for
muting that narrative? At this point I can't be concerned about push
back, I think that all of us need to do whatever we can to keep the
pressure on.
Regards,
Steve
-----Original Message-----
>From: Melbourne Briscoe <[2]Mel at Briscoe.com>
>Sent: May 3, 2016 8:21 AM
>To: 'Steve Mussman' <[3]sealab at earthlink.net>, 'Stephen Frink'
<[4]sf at stephenfrink.com>
>Cc: 'Ellen Prager' <[5]coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>, 'Bill Allison'
<[6]allison.billiam at gmail.com>, 'Laurie Wilson'
<[7]blueoceanbusinesssummit at gmail.com>, 'Mel Briscoe' <[8]mel at briscoe.com>
>Subject: RE: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
>
>@ Steve Mussman:
>Tainting the entire diving industry because of a dislike for DEMA is a
reach too far. Your position on DEMA is clear, and consistent, but not
compelling. Your extension now to the entire diving industry is unjustified,
and some pushback is warranted.
>
>Mel Briscoe
>Retired WHOI, NOAA, ONR, and Ocean Leadership
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [9]coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
[mailto:[10]coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov] On Behalf Of Steve
Mussman
>Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 5:32 AM
>To: Stephen Frink <[11]sf at stephenfrink.com>
>Cc: Ellen Prager <[12]coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>; Bill Allison
<[13]allison.billiam at gmail.com>; Laurie Wilson
<[14]blueoceanbusinesssummit at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
>
>
> Stephen,
> (I'm adding Alex to this thread because he has had a long history of
> involvement with both the diving industry and the issues that we are
> discussing here).
> I've discussed similar issues on Coral List many times before and I
believe
> that most members understand exactly where I am coming from. Generally
> speaking, it is my opinion that the diving industry as a whole has not
done
> nearly enough to address the decline of coral reefs world wide. That
> includes manufacturers, certification agencies, dive shops and resorts.
> There are lots of good people doing great things in our industry, but
> overall the environmental/ecological record of the "diving industry at
> large" is dismal at best. I wish it wasn't so and we all need to work
hard
> in order to change this paradigm.
> Regards,
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Frink
> Sent: May 2, 2016 2:57 PM
> To: Steve Mussman
> Cc: Bill Allison , Ellen Prager , Laurie Wilson
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
> Steve - DEMA is different than the dive industry at large. Please be
> specific if you have concerns. Many of the members of the list serve
> wouldnât understand the fine distinction you are making and might
assume
> those in the business of services to recreational diving are
universally
> ignorant of ecological issues or uncaring. I donât think either is
> particularly true.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Stephen
> Stephen Frink
> Publisher, Alert Diver Magazine
>
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> On May 2, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Steve Mussman <[7][19]sealab at earthlink.net>
wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen,
> Of course the diving industry is diverse even in their beliefs relating
to
> climate change, but I'm referring to industry leaders. We could argue
all
> day about who comprises the "leadership of our industry", but I'm
pointing
> the finger directly at DEMA. Climate change, ocean acidification,
> over-fishing and land-based pollutants are basically off their radar as
I
> see it. They act as if nothing is happening. We have an opportunity to
> empower divers to become advocates for moving policies and turning
things
> around, but that's not going to happen as long as our industry's power
> structure remains in denial. I understand the fact that talk of
declining
> reefs isn't good for business, but how are we to have hope that we can
> reverse the trend if our industry perpetuates the illusion (that all is
> well) by refusing to openly address these issues? As I see it, all of us
in
> the industry have a moral responsibility to become activists for our
oceans
> and coral reefs. We have taken from it and built our business upon it.
This
> is a critical time and the diving industry should be out in front, not
> laying low hiding in the sea grass.
> Warm regards,
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Frink
> Sent: May 2, 2016 2:08 PM
> To: Steve Mussman
> Cc: Bill Allison , Ellen Prager
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
> Steve - What makes you think the dive industry disbelieves climate
change
> and/or CO2 issues? Anyone I dive with, most of whom have several
> decadesâ experience seeing changes in the reef ecosystems we dive,
> realizes we have issues. Anecdotal perhaps, but so is a broad brush
> painting all.
>
> Stephen
> Stephen Frink
> Publisher, Alert Diver Magazine
>
>
> portfolio - [8][20]http://www.stephenfrinkphoto.com
> general - [9][21]http://www.stephenfrink.com
> travel - [10][22]http://www.waterhousetours.com
> seacam - [11][23]http://www.seacamusa.com
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>
> address - Stephen Frink Studio
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>
> phone - [12]305-451-3737 (office)
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>
> On May 2, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Steve Mussman <[14][24]sealab at earthlink.net>
wrote:
>
> This presents the diving industry with a rather perplexing dilemma.
> They could cite this study to promote the idea that coral reefs benefit
from
> our bubbles, but then they would be forced to admit that a problem
relating
> to rising CO2 levels actually exists.
> Sent from my iPhone
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 2, 2016, at 7:18 AM, Bill Allison
<[15][25]allison.billiam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> So, the small issues of thermodynamic considerations and the ultimate
fate
> of the CO2 aside, divers may help reefs?
> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 12:57 AM, Douglas Fenner <
> [16][26]douglasfennertassi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Protecting coral reefs with bubbles
> [17][27]https://earth.stanford.edu/news/protecting-coral-reefs-bubbles
> Open-access
> Original article:
> Bubble stripping as a tool to reduce high dissolved CO2 in coastal
marine
> ecosystems. Environmental Science & Technology
> [18][28]http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b04733
> not open-access, note author's email address
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