[Coral-List] Fw: Re: using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
atikkan at juno.com
atikkan at juno.com
Tue May 10 13:31:54 EDT 2016
I fail to see how DEMA represents dive industry leadership. It is 'Diving Equipment & Marketing Association'.
>From their website "Represents companies whose mission is to promote and help provide growth within recreational diving"
Many DEMA member companies do business outside of the recreational diving industry.
It is the dive instructors that have to educate the divers they train. Another can of worms
Carpe aqua
Esat Atikkan
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
To: Melbourne Briscoe <Mel at Briscoe.com>, "'Stephen Frink'" <sf at stephenfrink.com>
Cc: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov" <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 13:15:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Dear Melbourne,
I harbor no animosity towards DEMA. I simply feel that an organization that has come to represent the leadership of the diving industry needs to be held accountable for the industry's public positioning on these issues. As I mentioned before, there are a lot of dedicated individuals within the diving industry who are working hard to promote an environmental agenda, but the impetus is not coming from the top. It is more of a grassroots effort that often finds itself fighting a strong current that would seem to prefer maintaining the status quo. Coral reefs are in trouble, of that there is no doubt. The scientific consensus is well established. I'm not going out on a limb if I say that land-based pollutants, over-fishing and climate change are among our chief concerns. Why is that message not getting full play within the diving industry? Who is responsible for muting that narrative? At this point I can't be concerned about push back, I think that all of us need to do whatever we can to keep the pressure on.
Regards,
Steve
-----Original Message-----
>From: Melbourne Briscoe <Mel at Briscoe.com>
>Sent: May 3, 2016 8:21 AM
>To: 'Steve Mussman' <sealab at earthlink.net>, 'Stephen Frink' <sf at stephenfrink.com>
>Cc: 'Ellen Prager' <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>, 'Bill Allison' <allison.billiam at gmail.com>, 'Laurie Wilson' <blueoceanbusinesssummit at gmail..com>, 'Mel Briscoe' <mel at briscoe.com>
>Subject: RE: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
>
>@ Steve Mussman:
>Tainting the entire diving industry because of a dislike for DEMA is a reach too far. Your position on DEMA is clear, and consistent, but not compelling. Your extension now to the entire diving industry is unjustified, and some pushback is warranted.
>
>Mel Briscoe
>Retired WHOI, NOAA, ONR, and Ocean Leadership
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov] On Behalf Of Steve Mussman
>Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 5:32 AM
>To: Stephen Frink <sf at stephenfrink.com>
>Cc: Ellen Prager <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>; Bill Allison <allison.billiam at gmail.com>; Laurie Wilson <blueoceanbusinesssummit at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
>
>
> Stephen,
> (I'm adding Alex to this thread because he has had a long history of
> involvement with both the diving industry and the issues that we are
> discussing here).
> I've discussed similar issues on Coral List many times before and I believe
> that most members understand exactly where I am coming from. Generally
> speaking, it is my opinion that the diving industry as a whole has not done
> nearly enough to address the decline of coral reefs world wide. That
> includes manufacturers, certification agencies, dive shops and resorts.
> There are lots of good people doing great things in our industry, but
> overall the environmental/ecological record of the "diving industry at
> large" is dismal at best. I wish it wasn't so and we all need to work hard
> in order to change this paradigm.
> Regards,
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Frink
> Sent: May 2, 2016 2:57 PM
> To: Steve Mussman
> Cc: Bill Allison , Ellen Prager , Laurie Wilson
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
> Steve - DEMA is different than the dive industry at large. Please be
> specific if you have concerns. Many of the members of the list serve
> wouldn�t understand the fine distinction you are making and might assume
> those in the business of services to recreational diving are universally
> ignorant of ecological issues or uncaring. I don�t think either is
> particularly true.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Stephen
> Stephen Frink
> Publisher, Alert Diver Magazine
>
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> On May 2, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Steve Mussman <[7]sealab at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen,
> Of course the diving industry is diverse even in their beliefs relating to
> climate change, but I'm referring to industry leaders. We could argue all
> day about who comprises the "leadership of our industry", but I'm pointing
> the finger directly at DEMA. Climate change, ocean acidification,
> over-fishing and land-based pollutants are basically off their radar as I
> see it. They act as if nothing is happening. We have an opportunity to
> empower divers to become advocates for moving policies and turning things
> around, but that's not going to happen as long as our industry's power
> structure remains in denial. I understand the fact that talk of declining
> reefs isn't good for business, but how are we to have hope that we can
> reverse the trend if our industry perpetuates the illusion (that all is
> well) by refusing to openly address these issues? As I see it, all of us in
> the industry have a moral responsibility to become activists for our oceans
> and coral reefs. We have taken from it and built our business upon it. This
> is a critical time and the diving industry should be out in front, not
> laying low hiding in the sea grass.
> Warm regards,
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Frink
> Sent: May 2, 2016 2:08 PM
> To: Steve Mussman
> Cc: Bill Allison , Ellen Prager
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
> Steve - What makes you think the dive industry disbelieves climate change
> and/or CO2 issues? Anyone I dive with, most of whom have several
> decades� experience seeing changes in the reef ecosystems we dive,
> realizes we have issues. Anecdotal perhaps, but so is a broad brush
> painting all.
>
> Stephen
> Stephen Frink
> Publisher, Alert Diver Magazine
>
>
> portfolio - [8]http://www.stephenfrinkphoto.com
> general - [9]http://www.stephenfrink.com
> travel - [10]http://www.waterhousetours.com
> seacam - [11]http://www.seacamusa.com
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>
> address - Stephen Frink Studio
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>
> phone - [12]305-451-3737 (office)
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> On May 2, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Steve Mussman <[14]sealab at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> This presents the diving industry with a rather perplexing dilemma.
> They could cite this study to promote the idea that coral reefs benefit from
> our bubbles, but then they would be forced to admit that a problem relating
> to rising CO2 levels actually exists.
> Sent from my iPhone
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 2, 2016, at 7:18 AM, Bill Allison <[15]allison.billiam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> So, the small issues of thermodynamic considerations and the ultimate fate
> of the CO2 aside, divers may help reefs?
> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 12:57 AM, Douglas Fenner <
> [16]douglasfennertassi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Protecting coral reefs with bubbles
> [17]https://earth.stanford.edu/news/protecting-coral-reefs-bubbles
> Open-access
> Original article:
> Bubble stripping as a tool to reduce high dissolved CO2 in coastal marine
> ecosystems. Environmental Science & Technology
> [18]http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b04733
> not open-access, note author's email address
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