[Coral-List] Is any reef "remote?"

Manning, Joshua joshua.manning.43 at my.csun.edu
Wed May 17 13:55:19 EDT 2017


Hi all,

Another example of the far reaching effects of human disturbance:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/05/16/scientists-just-discovered-yet-another-coral-reef-thats-been-devastated-by-global-warming/?utm_term=.bf3d8216bc89

The majority of this archipelago is uninhabited, yet human disturbance
(climate change) is still leading to significant declines in coral cover.
It seems to me that in places such as this, management at a local scale may
not solve the core issues facing this reef, and others.

Cheers,

Josh

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>       (Re: whether any reef is "remote?" ) (Muller-Karger, Frank)
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> From: "Risk, Michael" <riskmj at mcmaster.ca>
> Subject: [Coral-List] Is any reef "remote?"
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>    For those of you who may still harbour the belief that there are reefs
>    isolated from human impacts:
>    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-39931042
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> From: Andy Collins <andy.collins at noaa.gov>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Is any reef "remote?"
> To: "Risk, Michael" <riskmj at mcmaster.ca>
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> Nope, no such thing. Impacts are global. Our three primary threats are all
> from outside our borders and global in scale. Hardly gets more remote than
> the Northwestern Hawaiian Islands.
>
> Andy Collins
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> > On May 16, 2017, at 3:15 AM, Risk, Michael <riskmj at mcmaster.ca> wrote:
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> >   For those of you who may still harbour the belief that there are reefs
> >   isolated from human impacts:
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> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 14:10:38 -0400
> From: Dennis Hubbard <dennis.hubbard at oberlin.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Is any reef "remote?"
> To: "Risk, Michael" <riskmj at mcmaster.ca>
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> Just to play devil's advocate (as someone who thinks of myself as  largely
> a "climate scientist"), does anyone think that we need to just give up on
> all locally based management and focus on emissions because, "unless we
> change that, nothing else matters"?
>
> Dennis
>
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Risk, Michael <riskmj at mcmaster.ca> wrote:
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> >
> >    For those of you who may still harbour the belief that there are reefs
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> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 13:54:53 -0400
> From: "Muller-Karger, Frank" <carib at usf.edu>
> Subject: [Coral-List] Review of Certain National Monuments Established
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> Clearly not remote at all:
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> FYI: Notice of Opportunity for Public Comment
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> Risk, Michael wrote on 5/16/2017 9:15 AM:
> >     For those of you who may still harbour the belief that there are
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> From: "Risk, Michael" <riskmj at mcmaster.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Is any reef "remote?"
> To: Dennis Hubbard <dennis.hubbard at oberlin.edu>
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>    On the contrary. In previous posts, I have said that we need to focus
> on the
>    local,  because  we  have some control over that (active tourism works
>    wonders). If, for example, we project Gardner's curve/trend into the
> future,
>    and use Florida as an example, we can see that the world's reefs will
> all
>    have (vast majority) been dead decades before the oceans reach their
> thermal
>    limit. Think globally, act locally..
>    You are an American-I will put it to you like this. Do you think you
> would
>    have more success convincing your friends and neighbours to check out
> the
>    sewage disposal systems of any proposed holiday resorts, or convincing
> your
>    country to give up fossil fuels?
>    One is possible, and will produce results. The other...ins'allah.
>    (Sorry-"neighbors".)
>    Mike
>      _________________________________________________________________
>
>    From: Dennis Hubbard [dennis.hubbard at oberlin.edu]
>    Sent: May 16, 2017 2:10 PM
>    To: Risk, Michael
>    Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>    Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Is any reef "remote?"
>    Just to play devil's advocate (as someone who thinks of myself as
> largely a
>    "climate scientist"), does anyone think that we need to just give up on
> all
>    locally based management and focus on emissions because, "unless we
> change
>    that, nothing else matters"?
>    Dennis
>    On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Risk, Michael <[1]riskmj at mcmaster..ca>
>    wrote:
>
>         For those of you who may still harbour the belief that there are
> reefs
>         isolated from human impacts:
>         [2]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-39931042
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>    Chair, Dept of Geology-Oberlin College Oberlin OH 44074
>    (440) 775-8346
>     "When you get on the wrong train.... every stop is the wrong stop"
>     Benjamin Stein: "Ludes, A Ballad of the Drug and the Dream"
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:riskmj at mcmaster.ca
>    2. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-39931042
>    3. mailto:Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>    4. http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:10:26 -0700
> From: Nicole Crane <nicrane at cabrillo.edu>
> Subject: [Coral-List] Human Signatures in Coral Reefs - new paper
> To: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov" <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> Cc: Peter Nelson <p.nelson6 at gmail.com>
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> Hi all,
> our paper finally came out - take a look, especially in light of the
> recent thread about ?pristine reefs?!
>
> Atoll-scale patterns in coral reef community structure: Human signatures
> on Ulithi Atoll, Micronesia
> Nicole L. Crane?, <>Peter Nelson, <>Avigdor Abelson, <>Kristin Precoda,
> <>John Rulmal Jr., <>Giacomo Bernardi, <>Michelle Paddack <>
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> http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0177083
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