Need information on carrying capacity
Greg Challenger
GChallenger at msn.com
Fri Feb 7 12:43:32 EST 2003
I agree with Mark.
Correlation is not causation, although I don't recall that it was suggest=
ed. It stands to reason that mooring buoys are purposely placed in areas=
that appear to be the most diverse and interesting for divers. Some del=
ving into historical data regarding both the reef and the time since buoy=
placement at each site, as well as continued monitoring of buoy and cont=
rol sites may be necessary to make further inferences.
In reference to sewage treatment criterion. I think diver carrying capac=
ity can be viewed in the context of other pressures. A reef has an overa=
ll carrying capacity, which we may define as a point beyond which communi=
ty indices are adversely affected in a measurable or observable way. Div=
er carrying capacity alone could vary depending on other stressors. Land=
use, point source pollution and others may stress a reef such that diver=
influences may be more readily observable. This would be a difficult pr=
emise for which to design an experiment. I can think of one, but it would=
cost boatloads of dough. =20
Waste water treatment as the only factor determinant in carrying capacity=
is too simplistic, but I believe Pedro was just making a point. Diver c=
arrying capacity at each site likely varies. This is logical given the d=
ynamic and varying ecological indices and anthropogenic factors between a=
nd among reefs. =20
----- Original Message -----
From: GJ Gast
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:24 AM
To: Duncan MacRae; coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
Subject: Re: Need information on carrying capacity
Dear Duncan,
1. Does this mean that building more sewage treatment plants gives =20
coral reefs a higher carrying capacity for tourism?
2. There are no sewage treatment plants on Bonaire. So the allowed =20
number of tourist must be set on zero?
I understand that divers carrying capacity is a complicated issue =20
with many varying aspects and that it is hard to come to generally =20
applicable figures. The least one can do is to use the precautionary =20
principle, which in this case means staying way within known safe =20
limits. Using wastewater treatment as a criterium is definately much =20
too simplistic. On the contrary, the wastewater treatment capacity =20
should follow the numbers of tourists and local people. If only that =20
would become reality....
Best wishes, GJ.
On 7 Feb 2003, at 6:53, Duncan MacRae wrote:
> Dear Pedro,
> =20
> I did an extensive study on carrying capacity on Bonaire last year (as
> yet unpublished). I looked at 40 sites and the amount of damage around
> the mooring buoys. Some sites had in excess of 25000 divers visiting
> them and showed far higher diversity and greater 'health' than other
> sites with very few divers. If you would like to know more, do not
> hesitate to contact me.
> =20
> I suggest that you are very careful using diver numbers as a
> management tool, it has tended to open up a large can of worms. Better
> would be the number of tourists that the local wastewater treatment
> plants of the area can handle.....
> =20
> Regards,
> =20
> Duncan R. MacRae
> =20
> =20
> =20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Alcolado" <alcolado at ama.cu>
> To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:32 PM
> Subject: Need information on carrying capacity
> =20
> =20
> > Dear Coral lister,
> >
> > I need to get information about other papers than Hawskin's and
> > Roberts' =3D (1997) about carrying capacity in coral reef diving. I a=
m
> > participating =3D in the elaboration of tourist diving regulations,
> > and so far I have =3D Haskin's and Roberts' figures of 5000-6000
> > divers/site/year. I think it =3D would be good a figure for begining
> > that could be revised an adjusted =3D after subsequent monitoring, bu=
t
> > I would like to know about other =3D alternative numbers. I would
> > appreciate to receive that information, as =3D well as any relevant
> > comment on the issue.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Pedro
> >
> > ~~~~~~~
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> > digests, please see http://www.coral.noaa.gov/lists/coral-list.html
> > .
> >
> >
> =20
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Dr Gert Jan Gast
Seas and Oceans Campaigner, Greenpeace Netherlands
Keizersgracht 174, 1016DW Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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with Mark.</DIV> <DIV>Correlation is not causation, although I don't reca=
ll that it was suggested. It stands to reason that mooring buoys ar=
e purposely placed in areas that appear to be the most diverse and intere=
sting for divers. Some delving into historical data regarding both =
the reef and the time since buoy placement at each site, as well as conti=
nued monitoring of buoy and control sites may be necessary to make furthe=
r inferences.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In reference to sewage treatme=
nt criterion. I think diver carrying capacity can be viewed in=
the context of other pressures. A reef has an overall carrying cap=
acity, which we may define as a point beyond which co=
mmunity indices are adversely affected in a measurable or observable way.=
Diver carrying capacity alone could vary depending on other stress=
ors. Land use, point source pollution and others may stress a reef =
such that diver influences may be more readily observable. This wou=
ld be a difficult premise for which to design an experiment. I can think =
of one, but it would cost boatloads of dough. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <D=
IV>Waste water treatment as the only factor determinant in carrying capac=
ity is too simplistic, but I believe Pedro was just making a point.&=
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ogical given the dynamic and varying ecological indices and anthropo=
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T: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> GJ Gast</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FON=
T: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 07, 2003 8:24 AM</DIV> <DIV =
style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> Duncan MacRae; coral-list at coral.aom=
l.noaa.gov</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Need=
information on carrying capacity</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Dear Duncan,<BR>=
<BR>1. Does this mean that building more sewage treatment plants gives <B=
R>coral reefs a higher carrying capacity for tourism?<BR><BR>2. There are=
no sewage treatment plants on Bonaire. So the allowed <BR>number of tour=
ist must be set on zero?<BR><BR>I understand that divers carrying capacit=
y is a complicated issue <BR>with many varying aspects and that it is har=
d to come to generally <BR>applicable figures. The least one can do is to=
use the precautionary <BR>principle, which in this case means staying wa=
y within known safe <BR>limits. Using wastewater treatment as a criterium=
is definately much <BR>too simplistic. On the contrary, the wastewater t=
reatment capacity <BR>should follow the numbers of tourists and local peo=
ple. If only that <BR>would become reality....<BR><BR>Best wishes, GJ.<BR=
><BR>On 7 Feb 2003, at 6:53, Duncan MacRae wrote:<BR><BR>> Dear Pedro,=
<BR>> <BR>> I did an extensive study on carrying capacity on Bonair=
e last year (as<BR>> yet unpublished). I looked at 40 sites and the am=
ount of damage around<BR>> the mooring buoys. Some sites had in excess=
of 25000 divers visiting<BR>> them and showed far higher diversity an=
d greater 'health' than other<BR>> sites with very few divers. If you =
would like to know more, do not<BR>> hesitate to contact me.<BR>> <=
BR>> I suggest that you are very careful using diver numbers as a<BR>&=
gt; management tool, it has tended to open up a large can of worms. Bette=
r<BR>> would be the number of tourists that the local wastewater treat=
ment<BR>> plants of the area can handle.....<BR>> <BR>> Regards,=
<BR>> <BR>> Duncan R. MacRae<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ---=
-- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Pedro Alcolado" <alcolado at ama=
.cu><BR>> To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov><BR>> Sent: =
Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:32 PM<BR>> Subject: Need information on c=
arrying capacity<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Dear Coral lister,<BR>>=
; ><BR>> > I need to get information about other papers than Haw=
skin's and<BR>> > Roberts' =3D (1997) about carrying capacity in co=
ral reef diving. I am<BR>> > participating =3D in the elaboration o=
f tourist diving regulations,<BR>> > and so far I have =3D Haskin's=
and Roberts' figures of 5000-6000<BR>> > divers/site/year. I think=
it =3D would be good a figure for begining<BR>> > that could be re=
vised an adjusted =3D after subsequent monitoring, but<BR>> > I wou=
ld like to know about other =3D alternative numbers. I would<BR>> >=
appreciate to receive that information, as =3D well as any relevant<BR>&=
gt; > comment on the issue.<BR>> ><BR>> > Cheers,<BR>> =
> Pedro<BR>> ><BR>> > ~~~~~~~<BR>> > For directions =
on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list or the<BR>> > digest=
s, please see http://www.coral.noaa.gov/lists/coral-list.html<BR>> >=
; .<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> ~~~~~~~<BR>> For direct=
ions on subscribing and unsubscribing to coral-list or the<BR>> digest=
s, please see http://www.coral.noaa.gov/lists/coral-list.html .<BR>> <=
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Campaigner, Greenpeace Netherlands<BR>Keizersgracht 174, 1016DW Amsterdam=
, The Netherlands<BR>Phone +31 20 5236655<BR>Mobile +31 6 5206 2976<BR>Fa=
x +31 20 6221272<BR><BR>~~~~~~~<BR>For directions on subscribing and unsu=
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