[Coral-List] Discovery Land Project Questions

Wed Mar 15 16:53:08 EST 2006

Hi Tom,

I will address all of your questions.

1) Reef Ball is not a commerical entity and is a public non-profit 
organization.  We have no financial interest in the Guanya Cay project and 
we have offered to act as an intermediary without compensation.

2) CEO responded to me and IS open to discussion.   Can we see the CEO 
response and clearly define?

"Thank you for your comments. I'll have Livinston Marshall, our Sr VP of the 
environment, contact you. Our scientists and planners have incorporated a 
lot of those suggestions and more into our development. It is the opposition 
running a smear camapaign and if you review details with Dr. Marshall I 
think you will agree that we are a very eco-sensitive group and responsible 
developer. I'll look forward to your comments and appreciate any 
support-MSM"

3) What is friendly?
His response is above and appears open to me.

3.3) What are the elements which define eco-sensitive
developers  3.4 What are examples of eco-sensitivity of developers and this 
Developer?

That is open to list interpretation but in my view it would included 
undertaking activities that incur cost or time with the benefit being for 
positive environmental impacts when less expensive or less time consuming 
environmentally damaging, degrading or neutral options are available.

4. Come up with a reasonable set of recommendations of
 Define ¡°reasonable  Define recommendation vs required mitigation
 measures.  Define ¡°reasonable¡± budget (best practical, best
available, maximum achievable).

Again, open to list interpretation, but in my mind it is giving a list of 
suggestions (or if from a regulatory agency requirements) of environmentally 
positive activities that should accompany the development that does not 
create an undue burden (recall my analogy as to when we switch to hybrid 
cars from gas cars....only when the cost is reasonably close).

5. how they could proceed with the development while
> protecting the reef?
> 5.1 Need project environmental review, assessment,
> statement, report???
> 5.2 Define ¡°protection measures¡±??

Again, open to interpretation, but in my view if the concern is that the 
development will destroy the reef, then what must occur to develop the 
property without destroying the reef or what must they do to prove that what 
they are doing will not destroy the reef?  I have suggested that we put 
together a voluntary scientific team to give them an honest assessment.

6.  DeeVon Quirolo said this may not be possible
>
> 6.1 Please reference and document?
Email from DeeVon follows, "Todd--the Discovery Bay Developers are already 
doing all the right  things you suggested,  the Problem is that it is too 
large a project  for such as small island and the other problem is the golf 
course,  whether they have constructed wetlands for the runoff set off from 
the shore (as they have told me) or not.  Best, DeeVon"

7-10 The usual extreme arguments -  Total Loss vs Total Protection  Maximum 
Profit vs Minimum Profit

I am not sure exactly what you mean here.  Our world is defined by economics 
so yes there is always a trade off between money and scare resources that 
define money.

Thanks,

Todd Barber
Chairman Reef Ball Foundation, Inc.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Williams" <ctwiliams at yahoo.com>
To: "Todd Barber" <reefball at reefball.com>; <coral-list at aoml.noaa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Discovery Land Project Questions

> TO: List
>
> We have had a long  discussion of global thoughts and
> now a local action.
>
> Provide responses to the below questions and I/list
> can provide all sorts of measures which can be done to
> reduce damages to less than 10% of "total".
>
> I still have issues with regard to "Reef Ball"
> operations, relationships to "Developers", and
> relationships between the Not-for-Profit" vs "For
> Profit" elements and the use of the expertise of the
> Coral List.
>
> Dr. Tom Williams
>
> +1-650-558-9590
> +1-323-528-4687
> +971-50-559-0210
>
> Based on -- 
> From: "Todd Barber" reefball at reefball.com
> To:  coral-list at aoml.noaa.gov
> Date:  Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:46:31 ¨C0500
> Subject:  [Coral-List] Discovery Land Project
>
>
> 0.  Reef Ball should define all direct and indrect
> relationships of the RB organizations and associates,
> contributors with the Developer or its associates, or
> its consultants. Simple matrix.
>
> Okay everyone, here are the initial
> Statement-Questioning:
>
> 1. CEO responded to me and IS open to discussion.
>
> 1.1 Can we see the CEO response and clearly define
> ¡°open¡±
>
> 2. WE HAVE AN OPENING AND AN OPPORTUNITY.
>
> 2.1 What sort of ¡°opening¡± See 1.1 ?
>
> 2.2 What are the expressed, explicit opportunity -
> See 1.1 ?
>
> 2.3 What are the expectations of the CEO ?
>
> 2.4 What are the expectations of the Coral List ?
>
> 3.  His message was friendly and stated that they are
> eco-sensitive developers.
>
> 3.1 What is friendly ¨C See 1.1 ?
>
> 3.2 What are the elements which supports the
> ¡°eco-sensitive¡± for this Developer?
>
> 3.3 What are the elements which define ¡°eco-sensitive
> developers¡±?
>
> 3.4 What are examples of eco-sensitivity of
> ¡°developers¡± and this Developer?
>
> 4. Come up with a reasonable set of recommendations of
>
>
> 4.1 Define ¡°reasonable¡±
>
> 4.2 Define recommendation vs required mitigation
> measures
>
> 4.3 Define ¡°reasonable¡± budget (best practical, best
> available, maximum achievable¡± ??
>
> 5. how they could proceed with the development while
> protecting the reef?
>
> 5.1 Need project environmental review, assessment,
> statement, report???
>
> 5.2 Define ¡°protection measures¡±??
>
>
> 6.  DeeVon Quirolo said this may not be possible
>
> 6.1 Please reference and document?
>
> 6.2 Why not possible, not practical (not profitable)
>
> 7.  as the Development is too large for the Island.
>
> 7.1 Define too large for island
>
> 7.2 See Item 4.3
>
> 8. If the development HAS to proceed what could the
> developer do
>
> See Item 4 and others above.
>
> 9.  Make it more reef friendly.  (i.e. what would you
> do if you had to build it)?
>
> 9.1 See above
>
> 9.2 This can be done; can they afford it?
>
> 10. Take a practical view here...minimizing reef
> damage
>
> See above
>
> 10.1  How small is ¡°minimum¡±
>
> 10.2  Why not
> Best Practical Mitigation
> Best Available Mitigation
> Maximum Achievable Mitigation
> Compensation
> Least Profitable (30%, 20, 10, 8% IRR)
>
> 11. may be better than total reef loss
>
> 11.1 Define Minimum damage vs Total damage (=loss)
>
>
> 12.  even though total reef protection may be desired
> but not possible.
>
> The usual extreme arguments -
> Total Loss vs Total Protection
> Maximum Profit vs Minimum Profit
>
> 