[Coral-List] Phillipines study and Corals don't Clog, Discovery Inc. will clog them?

Lore Ayoub layoub at mail.marine.usf.edu
Wed Mar 29 05:01:30 EST 2006

I wish you luck with your project, Amanda, though I don't have experience
to give many suggestions, except perhaps you can find archive data on
biodiversity indices, that way the coral ID's have already been done and
you don't need to know them all.  Also, would cover be another way to
describe health ie identifying %coral cover vs algae vs sand and so on?

Regarding the Phillipines and Guana Cay, perhaps the Guana Cay case,
especially if successful, can be used as a case for the neglected
Phillipines, to bring to issue with the Phillipines government.  I really
am for the Guana Cay discussion, also for the reasons James C. mentioned,
and applaud their dedication.  If this can spawn awareness and possibly
necessity of assessment groups to rival developers in other areas, that
would be great.

Is the Guana Cay defender group able to get support from other countries'
laws? For example, do places like Bermuda have laws that protect reefs
from development, that can be used as a case for the Guana Cay reefs? I
know one scientist there is actively doing research on the effects of golf
course pesticides (See Bermuda Aquarium, Museum and Zoo, Jamie Bacon) in
conjunction with the ecotoxicology lab at the Bermuda Biological Station,
but I am not sure if they are extending their analysis to reefs.


> Hi Pete (and coral-listers)!
> Funny you should mention the Philippines.  I am in my first semester at
> the University of North Carolina, Wilmington, doing Graduate studies in
> Marine Science.  I will actually be traveling to the Philippines both this
> summer and next summer to do thesis research.  I would love to learn more
> about what information you have to share, as it could most likely assist
> in my thesis research!!  Originally, I had planned to do a biodiversity
> study inside VS outside an MPA in the Philippines, but, with nearly 500
> species of coral to memorize in the next month or so, it seems to be a
> far-fetched idea.  I am familiar with Caribbean corals, naturally, but I
> want to expand my coral knowledge and have an opportunity to study in the
> Philippines.  Now, I'm trying to figure out a way to do a study on the
> general health of the coral/marine ecosystem because memorizing 500-some
> species seems like too much for my particular study.  I am open to any and
> all suggestions about a good way to approac
>  h this research (this is an open suggestion to anyone, please!).  I like
> to hear new/new-fangled ideas about doing unique research, though I know
> I should be building upon someone else's research.  I will most likely
> piece together bits here and there.
> Thank you!
> Cheers
> Amanda W.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pete Raines <psr at coralcay.org>
> To: 'James M. Cervino' <cnidaria at earthlink.net>;
> coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> Sent: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:47 -0000
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Corals don't Clog, Discovery Inc. will clog
> them?
> Dear James,
> Not surprisingly, my recent email has elicited a variety of responses.
> Happily, most have been constructive, well considered, highly informative
> and above all, polite. Only a couple have been otherwise and to them:
> "Likewise, mate"!
> As I said in my previous email regarding my views and comments of the List
> upon recently re-joining it: "At best, my view is just skewed because of
> my
> recent rejoining."  Clearly there is much more on the Bahamas issue that I
> have not been party too. However, I am well aware of some issues in the
> Bahamas, having not too distantly become extremely P'd-off and since
> withdrawn CCC's offer of support for a GEF initiative there.
> James, I wanted to reply to your email openly via coral-list (as opposed
> to
> the others I have done so directly and in private) because your reply was
> in
> the first-person, informative & constructive, and not instantly knee-jerk
> hostile or personally abusive.
> I remain convinced that the dialogue I have seen (limited as it may be,
> and
> co-limited as to the period of my rejoining the List has been) regarding
> Guana has at best run it's course as far as the List is concerned. In my
> opinion, it now needs to be shifted into another dedicated focal arena; an
> arena that all wishing to join should be openly invited to do so -
> period!.
> Some of what I have read posted to coral-list (since I re-joined) from
> certain parties regarding Bahamas could, in other hands, become extremely
> profitable to those whose livelihoods are dependent within the legal
> profession - enough said!
> Be advised also that the Bahamas issue is US-centric: of interest to US
> scientist adjacent to the US coastal cities. It (the issue) should be born
> in mind, but related and extended to those countries such as the
> Philippines, where in my own limited experience (21 years), far more can
> be
> accomplished and achieved by US scientists willing to travel beyond the
> confines of the USA.
> Let me put this another way: a good deal of time and effort appears to be
> spent on trying to protect a few hectares (?) of coral reefs surrounding
> Guana, and at face value perhaps at odds with the Government and
> influential
> and well-financed development stakeholders. What BEST has to say about all
> this or what the local community have to say, I have not been party to;
> their voice/comments via the List I have not seen, perhaps given my recent
> re-entry. There are several thousand ++ hectares of equally (if not more)
> important reefs out there in places like the Philippines just begging a
> one-tenth diversion of US reef-focus to them. With just a fraction of the
> Guana attention and focus, US reef scientists would successfully
> accomplish
> way more than they could ever hope to in tiny places like the Bahamas.
> There really is some "interesting data" coming from the Philippines. My
> point is: is there anyone from the USA that really wants to listen to it?
> For the very small minority that do/can, please contact the likes of CCC.
> All the best,
> Pete
> _____________________________________________
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>  -----Original Message-----
> From:   coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> [mailto:coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov]  On Behalf Of James M.
> Cervino
> Sent:   18 March 2006 12:50
> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> Subject:    [Coral-List] Corals don't Clog, Discovery Inc. will clog them?
> Dear Pete,
> I don't think bringing attention to a development project that will
> kill 200 year old corals in the Bahamas can be constituted as
> "clogging up this list". Do you realize that the Bahamas Govt is
> about to approve such an action? We were  using Guana as a study site
> to monitor corals that are infected with very low indices of coraline
> diseases. We coral scientists need to have old colonies to monitor
> over time during this current time, and if this development project
> takes place with the help of these so called "experts" the developer
> is paying we will loose this study site.  I was actually happy to see
> that this reef, if the levels of nutrients were to be controlled, can
> be a great study site for many scientists and divers to use as an
> educational tool so close to US coastal cities.
> Erik Gauger has told me that this thread may actually help save the
> corals of Guana.  We appreciate Jim Hendee's efforts for having this
> open platform and are looking forward to hearing about your
> "interesting data" from the Philippines!
> James
> Dear all,
> I've just rejoined the List and am starting to regret having done so: my
> emails having been immediately swamped today by "The Great Guana Cay
> Debate"
> etc etc,....
> Much of what I have read and been party to on this issue (in just the past
> 12 hrs since I rejoined)  seems somewhat polarised and extremely focussed
> (I
> choose my words very carefully here!).  At best, my view is just skewed
> because of my recent rejoining. At worst, some would say that coral-list
> has
> been hijacked. I shall remain on the List for a few days more in the hope
> that my initial concerns are unfounded.
> Important as the Guana issue is (and it is), perhaps it's now time for
> those
> wishing to pursue it so passionately (and you have all made us all now
> know
> very load and clear who you are) to do so amongst yourselves, move off to
> another dedicated communication channel amongst yourselves, and not
> clog-up
> the open channel that coral-list was established for.
> So, having said all that: anyone out there want info on the status of
> coral
> reefs in Southern Leyte (Philippines)? Some really interesting data coming
> out of there, if you are interested.
> Cheers,
> Pete
> --
> **************************************************
> Dr. James M. Cervino, MS, Ph.D.
> Marine Pathology
> Department of Biological & Health Sciences
> Pace University New York NYC
> Phone: (917) 620-5287
> Web site: http://www.globalcoral.org
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