[Coral-List] more climate stuff
albert
albert at ecology.su.se
Thu Nov 23 09:16:28 EST 2006
Gene (and others)
Here's a link to a recent op-ed piece by Oreskes in the LA Times:
http://www.countercurrents.org/cc-oreskes250706.htm
Interesting stuff. Observe how she makes no mention about her study being
hampered by a small sample size (in fact she makes a statement to the
contrary - that the sample size used was large).
Gene Shinn skrev:
> I guess I should have known that any mention of global warming
> or climate change would stir up emotions and comment. I hope people
> noticed that I did not write the materials I sent but basically
> provided websites to some recent climate skeptic literature. I
> thought the coral community needed a different perspective. Being a
> geologist I do admit to leaning toward the long-term geological
> perspective ie., a world before SUVs. I was in Abu Dhabi when the
> present debate started heating up and must admit I was startled by
> the excess use of energy and resources throughout the Arabian Gulf
> region. They have not only caught up but are exceeding us, as is
> India and China. It was interesting looking out my hotel window at
> where there was a coral reef when I first visited in 1966 (there were
> no roads then). Where the reef was then there is now an artificial
> island. The same is true all along the Arabian Gulf Trucial Coast
> (United Arab Emirates) whether it be islands shaped like palm trees
> or islands in the shape of a map of the Earth, and don't forget they
> even have snow skiing in the shopping mall. The scale of development
> is unbelievable and must be seen to be believed!
> Back to the climate debate. I can appreciate the concerns of
> people living in the Florida Keys and other low lying islands, and
> shorelines (including my home). They are living on fossil reefs and
> sand bars that grew when sea level was more than 20 ft above present
> level. It might happen again with or without added CO2. That is the
> message from the Greenland ice cores and numerous fossil coral reef
> studies. For a different perspective I forwarded the comments of
> Alexandra Barron (Vol 41, Issue 28) regarding Al Gores movie, to a
> geologist deeply imbedded in the climate issue/controversy. He wrote
> back, (and note these are not my words), "That is a typical
> misstatement by Gore as usual, like saying the NAS found that the
> "hockey stick" was correct. - the reference is Naomi Orestes,
> Science, in an essay. She later admitted that she only looked at a
> small sampling and did not assess the wider literature. I have almost
> as many peer-reviewed climate papers as she said were present in the
> entire literature. I'd be happy to send a reading list to whomever on
> the overall topic."
> From such responses I gather that the issue is not closed and
> the "consensus of scientists" we keep hearing about is a myth. A
> friend showed me the Al Gore book that is intended to support his
> movie. There were essentially no references! It is becoming
> increasingly clear that the issue is mainly emotional, highly
> political, and possibly on a par with intelligent design. My friend
> Mike Risk uses terms such as right wing and left wing politics and
> makes comparisons to the tobacco industry fight and ExxonMobil
> funding of non believers. I think what we really need is less
> rhetoric and more scientific evidence, not movies by politicians, or
> the outpouring of models that are only as good as the data that is
> fed in to them. And speaking of motives, just who did fund Gore's
> movie? And, why is it that when I monitor the coral-list I
> periodically see postings for jobs for sociologists, and reef
> managers, etc. I suspect we will soon see postings for reef
> psychologists. Are there no longer jobs for scientists who do actual
> data collection? Does anyone care about data anymore? Have the models
> taught us all we need to know? I'm sure glad the modelers were wrong
> about Atlantic hurricanes. I was getting worried. Gene
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