[Coral-List] $$ value of coral reef fish ornamentals (David Feary)

Chris Ryan Chris.Ryan at irc-australia.com
Sun Mar 18 20:24:22 EDT 2007

Hi David

As a starting point you could get a list of species from Lyle Squires in
Cairns (I think they're called Cairns Marine Fish).  They have wholesale
and retail prices for a large number of GBRE and imported species.



Chris Ryan
Principal Consultant - Coastal and Marine Biology
IRC Environment
26 Colin Street
West Perth WA 6005
Tel: +61-8-9481-0100
Fax: +61-8-9481-0111

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   1. $$ value of coral reef fish ornamentals (David Feary)
   2. Scientific Diver Needed (Brian Zgliczynski)
   3. Reef Check Declaration of Reef Rights (Christian Wild)
   4. Re: Reef Check's Declaration of Reef Rights (Todd Barber)
   5. Re: Info Needed: Impacts to corals outside	of
protected and
      managed areas for the US (Dr. Stephen Jameson)
   6. Re: Reef Check Declaration (Cori Kane)
   7. Study on 2005 Caribbean bleaching event
      (Simon D Donner (sddonner at Princeton.EDU))
   8. scientists are not we should be most worried
      (Sara Allyn Mavinkurve)


Message: 1
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:13:22 +1000 (EST)
From: David Feary <david.feary at jcu.edu.au>
Subject: [Coral-List] $$ value of coral reef fish ornamentals
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Hi all, 

I am looking for a reliable source of information on the $$value of
ornamental coral reef fish. What I am trying to put together is a list
of species ranked by their $$ value (either import or export) 


David Feary
PhD Candidate
ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies and School of Marine and
Tropical Biology, James Cook University, Townsville, 4810, Australia. 
Ph: +61 74781 4151, Fax: +61 74725 1570, Mb: 0416362204



Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:16:28 -1000
From: "Brian Zgliczynski" <Brian.Zgliczynski at noaa.gov>
Subject: [Coral-List] Scientific Diver Needed
To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov, dpence at hawaii.edu
Cc: Christian McDonald <cmcdonald at siomail.ucsd.edu>,
	uhhmop at hawaii.edu,	students at sio.ucsd.edu,
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Scientific Divers,
The NOAA Pacific Islands Fisheries Science Center (PIFSC) in Honolulu, 
Hawaii is seeking a scientific diver to participate on a research cruise

April 1st - 20th. The research cruise is in support of the Coral Reef 
Ecosystem Division's assessment and monitoring activities at Wake 
Atoll.  Applicant's duties would include participation on the rapid 
ecological assessment team conducting surveys of the fishes found at 
Wake Atoll. Interested parties should be familiar with belt transect and

stationary point count survey methodologies as well as with the 
identification of fishes from the Central and West Pacific. Applicants 
must be a NOAA certified diver or be able achieve NOAA reciprocity 
through an academic, state, or federal institution that follows the 
standards outlined by the NOAA Dive Program and the American Academy of 
Underwater Sciences. If interested please contact Brian Zgliczynski at 
the e-mail listed above.


Message: 3
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:50:32 +0100
From: "Christian Wild" <c.wild at lrz.uni-muenchen.de>
Subject: [Coral-List] Reef Check Declaration of Reef Rights
To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
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Dear coral list readers,


During the last days I received the ?Reef Check Declaration of Reef
from various sources mostly joined by a more or less imperative command
sign. I am wondering if it is really that easy. Did everyone who signed
declaration thoroughly think about the contents?

If yes, that would among several other consequences in particular mean:


a)      that these people now set their cars aside, especially if they
living in a city with public transport

b)      that these people now choose to travel short- and medium
via train or bus instead of using airplane, even if the latter is much

c)      that these people now almost stop to eat marine fish and
because it is very hard to find well-managed stocks caught in a


Please don?t misunderstand me; it is not my intention to blame this good
initiative, but I think we all should question ourselves before pledging
signing such statements, otherwise it is rather two-faced.






Dr. Christian Wild

Head, Coral Reef Ecology (CORE) Working Group


Ludwig-Maximilians-University Munich

Luisenstr. 37/Room 228

80333 M?nchen



Phone: 0049-(0)89-2180-6706

Fax: 0049-(0)89-2180-6601

E-mail:  <mailto:c.wild at lrz.uni-muenchen.de> c.wild at lrz.uni-muenchen.de

Homepage:  <http://www.geobio-center.lmu.de/core>




Message: 4
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:19:55 -0400
From: Todd Barber <reefball at reefball.com>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Reef Check's Declaration of Reef Rights
To: hreyes <hreyes at uabcs.mx>, coral-list at aoml.noaa.gov
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I think people may be over reacting, this is a fairly simple issue.  For

example at the Reef Ball Foundation we have a large set of internal
for handling corals but at the end there is a small disclaimer that
"except in the case of bona fide research being overseen by a principle 
investigator where scientific practices and principles shall dictate"

I don't think the intent of Reef Check's declarations is to take away 
scientific ability to study or work with corals.  If it is really a
point then perhaps a similar "disclaimer" could be added.


Todd R. Barber
Chairman, Reef Ball Foundation
3305 Edwards Court,
Greenville, NC 27858
941-720-7549 Cell
252-353-9094 Direct
Skype Toddbarber or Skype In (252) 557-1047, United States (+1)
MSN messenger reefball at hotmail.com
reefball at reefball.com (email address) 


Message: 5
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:56:57 +0000
From: "Dr. Stephen Jameson" <sjameson at coralseas.com>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Info Needed: Impacts to corals outside
	protected and managed areas for the US
To: Steven Lutz <steven.lutz at mcbi.org>,
	<coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
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Dear Steven,

Thanks for the coral-list note regarding:
> I am looking for information about anthropogenic impacts to corals
> of protected and managed areas in the U.S.

For examples of the impacts to Florida west coast corals and to Florida
corals north of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary from the:

- 2002 "Blackwater Event"; and

- land based sources of pollution coming from the Mississippi River
watershed, the west and east coast watersheds of Florida,  and
atmospheric-based airshed stressors coming from African dust and global
climate change factors see -

 Jameson SC, Tupper MH, Ridley JM (2002) The three screen doors: can
?protected? areas be effective? Marine Pollution Bulletin

at <www.coralseas.com/press.html>.

PS.  To conserve our coral reef resources "in and outside" of managed
we need to fight for stopping the root causes of stress using a wide
of mechanisms.    See the recent (3 Nov 2006) Science Magazine Policy
on "How Protected are Coral Reefs" for more details:

Jameson SC (2006) How protected are coral reefs? Science 314:757-760.

Please keep this "root cause" thought in mind when fighting for changes
existing legislation and new legislation.

>We are dealing with a cancer patient and band-aids are not the cure.

Time is running out!  See the latest (29 March, 2007) Science Magazine
Climate Change Policy Forum:

Broecker WS (2007) CO2 Arithmetic.  Science 315:1371.

Best regards,

Dr. Stephen C. Jameson, President
Coral Seas Inc. - Integrated Coastal Zone Management
4254 Hungry Run Road, The Plains, VA  20198-1715  USA
Office:  703-754-8690, Fax:  703-754-9139
Email:  sjameson at coralseas.com
Web Site:  http://www.coralseas.com


Research Collaborator
Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History
Washington, DC 20560

> Dear Coral-List,
> As you may know, the Coral Reef Conservation Act is up for
> Rep. Faleomavaega (American Samoa) introduced language to reauthorize
> Act just last month (2/27).  I believe we are presented with an
> to give meaningful conservation "teeth" to this legislation.
> I am looking for information about anthropogenic impacts to corals
> of protected and managed areas in the U.S. - Direct impacts such as
> groundings, treasure prospecting (with dynamite), destructive fishing
> practices, eutrophication due to pollution and nutrients, etc.  Recent
> newspaper articles would be much appreciated.
> Steven Lutz
> Steven Lutz, Ocean Policy Analyst
> Marine Conservation Biology Institute
> 600 Pennsylvania Ave, SE, Suite 210
> Washington DC 20003  USA
> 1 202 546 5346 (office)
> 1 202 546 5348 (fax)
> Steven.Lutz at mcbi.org
> www.mcbi.org
> Protecting Ocean Life Through Science and Conservation Advocacy
> ___


Message: 6
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:59:19 -0700
From: "Cori Kane" <ckane at reefcheck.org>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Reef Check Declaration
To: <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <000e01c76723$46576f40$0502a8c0 at ReefCheck2>
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To respond to all the scientist concerns on the Declaration of Reef

We at Reef Check are all scientists; the Declaration is not intended to
science as a whole or to position ourselves to be against scientific
collecting.  If you take a step back and look at the bigger picture, the
scientific diving community is miniscule compared to the recreational
community.  The purpose of the declaration is to aid a grassroots
among recreational divers to become aware of things that they are doing
may harm the reef. As a result of this declaration, the hope is to raise
awareness and simple efforts people can do on their next fun dive to
minimize impact and help conserve the reefs they are paying to dive on.

Scientists in general are very particular about the collection processes
the specifics of what they are collecting.  If we went about trashing
reef we wouldn't have jobs for much longer.  And for the small amount of
organisms we take, we are trying to bring about knowledge for the future
conservation of these organisms.  But the majority of recreational
divers do
not have that knowledge, and may not think anything of grabbing chunks
staghorn, standing on a plate acropora, or collecting rare species
they are aesthetically pleasing.  I mean, do any of you go around
corals or fish or inverts to simply place on your bookshelf or desk
while on
a recreational dive?  These are the kinds of impacts we are attempting
minimize by circulating the Declaration.

Corinne Kane
Program Manager
PO Box 1057, 17575 Pacific Coast Highway
Pacific Palisades, CA 90272-1057
Office: 1-310-230-2371
E-mail: ckane at reefcheck.org


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:31:50 -0400
From: "Simon D Donner (sddonner at Princeton.EDU)"
	<sddonner at Princeton.EDU>
Subject: [Coral-List] Study on 2005 Caribbean bleaching event
To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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Coral-List readers might be interested in our study on coral bleaching
in the Caribbean:

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA,

Model-based assessment of the role of human-induced climate change in
the 2005 Caribbean coral bleaching event

Simon D. Donner*?, Thomas R. Knutson?, and Michael Oppenheimer*?

Episodes of mass coral bleaching around the world in recent decades have
been attributed to periods of anomalously warm ocean temperatures. In
2005, the sea surface temperature (SST)
anomaly in the tropical North Atlantic that may have contributed to the
strong hurricane season caused widespread coral bleaching in the Eastern
Caribbean. Here, we use two global climate models to evaluate the
contribution of natural climate variability and anthropogenic forcing to
the thermal stress that caused the 2005 coral bleaching event. 

Historical temperature data and simulations for the 1870?2000 period
show that the observed warming in the region is unlikely to be due to
unforced climate variability alone. Simulation of background climate
variability suggests that anthropogenic warming may have increased the
probability of occurrence of significant thermal stress events for
corals in this region by an
order of magnitude. Under scenarios of future greenhouse gas emissions,
mass coral bleaching in the Eastern Caribbean may become a biannual
event in 20?30 years. However, if corals and their symbionts can adapt
by 1?1.5?C, such mass bleaching events may not begin to recur at
potentially harmful intervals until the latter half of the century. The
delay could enable more time to alter
the path of greenhouse gas emissions, although long-term ??committed
warming?? even after stabilization of atmospheric CO2 levels may still
represent an additional long-term threat to corals.


Message: 8
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:23:02 -0400
From: "Sara Allyn Mavinkurve" <sihaya at gmail.com>
Subject: [Coral-List] scientists are not we should be most worried
To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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Dear Prof. Kaufman,

In defense of my fellow aquarists, we do prefer to purchase captive
propagated corals (and have come a long way in developing methods for
fragmentation and propagation).   Not only that, but several of my
fellow "hobbyists" (we like to put "hobby" in quotes since it's so
much more than that to most of us), have contributed significantly to
knowledge of captive coral reproduction.  Please take a moment to look
at the DIBS project (www.projectdibs.com/).  You might be impressed.
Dave Lackland, works daily to save the endangered Acropora palmata. He
is both a scientist and an "hobby" aquarist.  At least as much as we
aquarists may be a part of the problem, I believe we can be more a
part of the solution.

I apologize if I seem defensive, but I just wanted to point out that
home aquarists have contributed much more than just awareness.  We
have a unique opportunity that many purely-scientists don't have.  We
have corals in our homes.  We watch them for hours at a time, care and
feed them day in and day out.  We know a lot about corals that, dare I
say, many scientists don't (and vice versa).  We all have a lot we
could teach each other and help each other if we can manage to mend
the wounds and rebuild the bridges.  Again, this is part of my goal
with ASIRA.

Thank you,

P.S.  We don't use halogen lamps... we use metal halide lamps.  ;-)

> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:05:09 -0400
> From: Les Kaufman <lesk at bu.edu>
> Subject: [Coral-List] scientists are not we should be most worried
>         about
> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> Message-ID: <0161A1BA-B119-4514-A8AD-3371870451F0 at bu.edu>
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> Re: the message below, please let us do what we can to maintain a
> perspective on scale, and also to take every opportunity to teach
> about scale to the public.  What responsible scientists may do in
> terms of inflicting harm on reef organisms in the course of learning
> about them, is trivial as compared to what academics along with a
> worldful of their more affluent conspecifics are doing to reefs as
> resource consumers and generators of atmospheric CO2.   Furthermore,
> reef aquarists who purchase from responsible sources are probably
> promoting conservation more than harming reefs...at least until we do
> the math on the CO2 generated in to keep a halogen sun lit half the
> day on each of their reef aquariums.   Then there are playoffs
> between the benefits of an aware, politically active electorate
> versus the costs of these people acquiring their environmental
> concerns and maintaining their disposition towards activism through
> the inspiration provided by their slimy charges.
> The absolute harm inflicted by scientists is hopefully a non-issue,
> but the symbolic harm of a citizen seeing a scientist collect or
> experiment upon corals still deserves attention.  It requires a lot
> of contact with the community of people who live beside a reef to
> succeed in sharing a bigger, more sophisticated picture of those
> factors determining the future of that reef, than the simple,
> superficial sentiments that would knit the observer's brow who
> happens to witness a scientist popping a coral branch tip into a tiny
> vial of alcohol.
> ***
> Jenny and list,
> This may sound silly to some, but how can we coral reef scientists
> pledge
> "not to disturbe, damage or collect corals and other reef organisms"
> when,
> paradoxically, often that is exactly what we have to do to study
> coral reef
> organisms in order to understand how these systems work and to produce
> knowledge useful for their better conservation and management?
> Fernando
> Les Kaufman
> Professor of Biology
> Boston University Marine Program
> and
> Senior PI
> Marine Management Area Science
> Conservation International
> ?I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.?
> George W. Bush
> Saginaw, Michigan; September 29, 2000



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