[Coral-List] Coral bleaching and light levels
David M. Lawrence
dave at fuzzo.com
Sat Feb 14 11:30:01 EST 2009
Given the long history of "Authority X (pers. comm.)" in scientific
papers, I would disagree with any offhand dismissal of the power of
"anecdote" -- though peer-reviewed publications are always preferable.
I'm just looking at this argument from the sidelines, but light
intensity is a primary driver of surface heating, so it seems the light
intensity effect would have to be separated from the temperature effect.
Consider this matrix (I hope it formats OK for the rest of you):
| Hi light | Lo light
Hi temp | |
Lo temp | |
A) | Hi light | Lo light
Hi temp | Bleach | Bleach
Lo temp | Normal | Normal
B) | Hi light | Lo light
Hi temp | Bleach | Normal
Lo temp | Bleach | Normal
Table (A) would indicate temperature is the primary driver. Table (B)
would indicate light intensity is the primary driver. Which table seems
to be the better descriptor of what is observed?
Dave
Richard Dunne wrote:
> Tom
>
> I have seen a great deal of poor work submitted to scientific journals
> over the years, some of which has unfortunately survived peer review and
> appeared in print. In some cases I have questioned in print the quality
> of those publications, as several authors can bear testament to. So you
> are incorrect to assume that I am not careful and critical of published
> work.
>
> Unpublished work such as your own is quite impossible to assess - so I
> am right to be highly sceptical of its value. I hope that I am not being
> personal in suggesting that a little less time writing to Coral List and
> a little more time spent researching and publishing would I am sure
> greatly benefit all of us. Anecdotes are best left to the dinner table
> and bars.
>
> cordially
>
>
> Richard P Dunne
>
>
>
>
> Thomas Goreau wrote:
>> I think you are missing my point.
>>
>> We have for at least half a century from experimental work that
>> extreme changes of light in either direction can stimulate bleaching
>> (these are well known to aquariasts) and no one disputes that doldrum
>> calm, cloudless, sunny conditions make bleaching happen faster when
>> the temperature is above the threshold. But you are not willing to
>> accept that light is key secondary stressor and insist it be regarded
>> as a PRIMARY stressor, that is to say, sufficient BY ITSELF IN THE
>> ABSENCE OF HIGH TEMPERATURE TO EXPLAIN MASS BLEACHING IN THE FIELD.
>>
>> But every known mass bleaching event (discounting local events which
>> could have been caused by freshwater, sediments, or other local
>> stresses, which are only a few percent of all reported events) has
>> been predicted FROM TEMPERATURE ALONE. There is no evidence that
>> average light exposure is increasing globally in reefs (although of
>> course it fluctuates strongly and this is highly relevant to local
>> bleaching patterns, as has been well known since the 1980s), and there
>> is excellent and unambiguous data that ocean cloudiness is INCREASING.
>> I am simply saying that there are no known mass bleaching events at
>> temperatures below the threshold temperatures which could be
>> attributed to high light.
>>
>> I used neutral grey filters to reduce all light using full sunlight,
>> half sunlight, and quarter sunlight in tanks at various temperatures.
>> Peter Glynn used both neutral grey filters with and without UV
>> specific filters. You seem to believe (almost) everything you see on
>> paper and nothing that experienced observers have personally seen! I
>> did not get around to publishing my data, so you will naturally
>> discard that evidence no matter how strong it is.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2009, at 5:23 AM, Richard Dunne wrote:
>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> 1. I am sure that Brown or her co-workers were not confused in their
>>> descriptions of bleaching if that is what you mean, nor that aerial
>>> exposure is always required, nor that these were "extreme" low tides
>>> (they occur every month). A re-read of those papers would help to
>>> clarify your interpretation. Your term "blanching" is semantic and
>>> unscientific.
>>>
>>> 2. "*Sudden* changes in light level" are not a prerequisite to coral
>>> bleaching. It is a complex combination of dose and irradiance, as
>>> well as spectral composition.
>>>
>>> 3. The light and temperature interaction does not necessarily require
>>> the presence of "high temperatures". At normal or slightly elevated
>>> sea temperature high light can cause bleaching. It is the interaction
>>> that is important. The fact that no-one can directly attribute
>>> incidences of "mass bleaching" to light is more a factor of the lack
>>> of adequate light data (cf the ease with which temperature data can
>>> be collected). Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The
>>> words of Glynn (Global Change Biology 1996 495-509) are still
>>> pertinent: "a lack of long term in situ physical data and systematic
>>> monitoring of coral health have frequently frustrated efforts to link
>>> unequivocally mass bleaching events with extreme environmental
>>> anomalies". For light data, that problem still persists.There are
>>> also papers where elevated temperature bleaching did not occur
>>> because of reduced light (e.g. Mumby et al MEPS).
>>>
>>> 4. Surface light is not just the important factor as far a corals are
>>> concerned - it is the underwater light field modified by a host of
>>> physical factors which changes not only the power, angular
>>> distiribution, but also the spectral power distribution in a very
>>> complex way.
>>>
>>> 5. The shorter wavelengths of UV are and have always been a largely
>>> irrelevant factor in the bleaching of adult corals in the natural
>>> environment. Gleason & Wellington's 993 Nature paper started an
>>> unfortunate hare running but was in error (comment by Dunne Nature
>>> 1994). This is a very complicated area but there are many subsequent
>>> publications some of which, regrettably, continue to muddy the water.
>>> UV experimentation for corals is fraught with problems, hence the
>>> lack of quality data.
>>>
>>> 6. Light does not just contribute to the "small scale patterns".
>>> Regional changes in meterology (as I mentioned before) can result in
>>> effects at scales of thousands of square kilometers (e.g., the change
>>> in the timing of the onset of the monsoon over the entire SE Asia).
>>> Similarly, sea level changes induced by effects such as the Indian
>>> Ocean Dipole affect whole ocean basins including large areas of
>>> shallow fringing reefs that predominate in SE Asia.
>>>
>>> 7. I am aware of Glynn's work with UV filters (Glynn et al 1992 Proc
>>> 7th Int Coral reef Symp) but not the PAR filter work to which you
>>> refer. In his UV paper he purported to find effects due to UV but
>>> there are problems with the experimentation which I wrote to him
>>> about in 1994. It would be most helpful to have the reference for
>>> the PAR filter work in case I have overlooked it.
>>>
>>> Thankfully, we are now seeing useful wider geographic datasets and
>>> work on light emerging (e.g. the work of Hendee and others) which may
>>> help us to better understand wide scale bleaching patterns. And as
>>> the photophysiologists unravel the mechanisms of bleaching at the
>>> cellular level it appears that the normal modus operandii of
>>> temperature is likely to be damage to the mechanisms of photorepair
>>> in PSII, in otherwords light is required to be present at sufficient
>>> irradiances in the first place to cause the photodamage. Certainly,
>>> extreme temperatures alone can cause other forms of cellular
>>> disruption, but it is debatable that this is happening in most
>>> examples of widespread bleaching.
>>>
>>> I do not seek to downplay the important role of sea temperature in
>>> coral bleaching, but light is an equally important consideration,
>>> albeit less easy to manipulate experimentally and more complex to
>>> understand.
>>>
>>> Whilst I appreciate the historical anecdotal information that you
>>> post to Coral List , it is the published science on which I prefer to
>>> rely, and I have doubts that this is in agreement with the views you
>>> often express.
>>>
>>> all the best
>>>
>>> Richard P Dunne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thomas Goreau wrote:
>>>> It has been well known for about 50 years from direct
>>>> experimentation for at least that sudden changes in light level,
>>>> both high and low, can induce bleaching. I do not at all deny that
>>>> high light exacerbates the rate of bleaching at high temperatures,
>>>> which I measured directly 20 years ago. But I do not think anyone
>>>> can seriously claim that increased light has caused the mass
>>>> bleaching that we have seen in the last three decades, although it
>>>> was obvious that it was a contributing factor from field evidence in
>>>> the very first mass bleaching events, but it plays a secondary role,
>>>> not a primary one. You should not confuse "blanching" (what happens
>>>> to corals that are exposed to full sunlight at extreme low tides)
>>>> with "bleaching" sensu strictu as Brown does.
>>>>
>>>> The question is whether light levels have changed at the surface in
>>>> a way that could explain mass bleaching apart from changes in
>>>> temperature. Variations in cloudiness are not new, although they are
>>>> becoming more extreme. But there is a strong and clear tendency to
>>>> increased cloudiness over the oceans, so this is resulting in
>>>> reduced light stress, not more!
>>>>
>>>> There is in fact a large literature on changes in global surface
>>>> irradiation, and the results have shown that solar output is
>>>> essentially unchanged but that changes in atmospheric transparency
>>>> have had a global impact. This was stimulated by the widespread
>>>> prediction that decreases in the ozone layer caused by increases in
>>>> atmospheric nitrous oxide and halocarbon gases should result in
>>>> increases in surface UV. But the long term data conclusively showed
>>>> the opposite, that UV had been decreasing for decades. The same
>>>> turned out also to be true for surface visible light, and also for
>>>> total irradiation as measured by global meteorological pan
>>>> evaporation rates. The explanation was global dimming caused by
>>>> sulfur and nitrogen aerosols generated from combustion. As
>>>> industrial pollution has begun to be controlled, global dimming has
>>>> decreased, allowing a slight increase in surface irradiation in
>>>> recent years. This is a double whammy because global dimming had
>>>> masked an appreciable portion of the global warming caused by CO2 in
>>>> the short term, so that now that these pollutants are reduced,
>>>> global warming rates will greatly accelerate. Increased pollution
>>>> has been proposed by some as a devil's bargain to geo-engineer
>>>> against global warming, but this is a fool's errand because the CO2
>>>> remains in the atmosphere absorbing heat for centuries, but the
>>>> aerosols are rained out in days to weeks (or a year or so in the
>>>> stratosphere) so you would need to pollute with aerosols at
>>>> exponentially increasing rates just to stay even. There are many
>>>> excellent papers on this, but Meinrat Andreae provides the clearest
>>>> recent explanation.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate, light cannot explain the large scale spatio-temporal
>>>> bleaching patterns we see, although it clearly contributes to the
>>>> small-scale patterns. Juvenile corals, which prefer to settle in
>>>> dark undersides, are protected for that reason. Peter Glynn did
>>>> excellent work with various filters in which he showed that it was
>>>> photosynthetically active radiation was causing the increased rate
>>>> of bleaching in high light exposed corals above the bleaching
>>>> threshold temperature, and that UV increases made no difference.
>>>> This is as would be expected by the very high levels of UV screening
>>>> pigments. Charlie Mazel and I dived on severely bleached reefs at
>>>> night in 1990 measuring UV absorbance and fluorescence of bleached
>>>> corals, and we found that even totally bleached corals were
>>>> completely opaque to UV light. So increased UV cannot be the cause
>>>> of the large scale field bleaching, even though it can be an
>>>> experimental cause of bleaching.
>>>>
>>>> I'm fully aware of the microphysical patterns you mention discussing
>>>> light attenuation and scattering. But the reason I do not think they
>>>> are relevant is because what I have seen is that waters in most
>>>> reefs are far more turbid than they used to be and light penetration
>>>> is greatly reduced. In many places I see large areas of deep reef
>>>> 100-200 feet down that used to be healthy and are now dead because
>>>> they are no longer getting the light they used to, for example in
>>>> Jamaica and Panama. In places where as a boy I would watch my father
>>>> diving 300 feet below from the surface, the waters that used to be
>>>> clear and blue are now dark and green. The whole reef light looks
>>>> completely different. So I am sure that increased light exposure is
>>>> not the cause of mass bleaching.
>>>>
>>>> You may think that the changes global atmosphere patterns are
>>>> "simplistic" and not "scientific" with regard to microphysical water
>>>> measurements, but I can assure you that they are well documented in
>>>> the atmospheric literature (having degrees in Planetary Physics
>>>> (MIT), Planetary Astronomy (Caltech), and Atmospheric
>>>> Biogeochemistry (Harvard) and having worked on these issues from the
>>>> top down as well as the coral's bottom up view).
>>>>
>>>> Thomas J. Goreau, PhD
>>>> President, Global Coral Reef Alliance
>>>> Coordinator, United Nations Commission on Sustainable Development
>>>> Partnership in New Technologies for Small Island Developing States
>>>> 37 Pleasant Street, Cambridge MA 02139
>>>> 617-864-4226
>>>> goreau at bestweb.net <mailto:goreau at bestweb.net>
>>>> http://www.globalcoral.org
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 13, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Richard Dunne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> It is wrong to state so unequivocally that light is "a secondary
>>>>> factor". It can be a primary factor as publications have shown (e.g
>>>>> Brown et al - plenty of pubs). It is much more scientific and
>>>>> accurate to say that it is an interplay between light and
>>>>> temperature - see the diagram and discussion in the Fitt et al.
>>>>> Review in Coral Reefs. Sometimes light is more important and
>>>>> sometimes temperature.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is also incorrect to say that "light levels are basically
>>>>> unchanged". Changes in regional meterology occur as a result of
>>>>> climate change which can lead to coral reefs being exposed to much
>>>>> higher seasonal irradiance which can tip the balance between corals
>>>>> bleaching or not. In addition, changes in sea level can be a very
>>>>> important factor, particularly for shallow reefs. The underwater
>>>>> light field is a lot more complicated, and affected by many
>>>>> physical parameters (e.g., cloud cover, water surface roughness,
>>>>> sediment levels, water depth, bottom type, zenith angle of the
>>>>> light field, differential spectral attentuation, etc). Your
>>>>> statement about surface light going down (evidence?) is far too
>>>>> simplistic to be accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know this is just Coral List but please can we be a bit more
>>>>> scientific.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard P Dunne
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Goreau wrote:
>>>>>>> From: Thomas Goreau <goreau at bestweb.net>
>>>>>>> Date: February 13, 2009 10:11:18 AM EST
>>>>>>> To: billraymond10 at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Coral bleaching and ocean acidification
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Bill,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Absolutely! But it is a secondary factor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 20 years ago I did a bunch of experiments in Jamaica with corals in
>>>>>>> tanks at different temperatures and light level combinations.
>>>>>>> Bleaching took place only above a certain temperature, but the more
>>>>>>> light the faster it happened. Peter Glynn did similar experiments in
>>>>>>> Okinawa and reached the same conclusions. The reason I did this was
>>>>>>> our field observations in the first Caribbean bleaching event in
>>>>>>> 1987, where shaded corals were much less bleached, in fact where
>>>>>>> they were shaded by overhangs you could see the shadow, and we've
>>>>>>> seen that everywhere in the Indian Ocean and Pacific since too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the discussion was about bleaching versus acidification, so I
>>>>>>> did not get into secondary factors affecting bleaching. And
>>>>>>> temperature has been rising worldwide whereas light levels are
>>>>>>> basically unchanged because solar radiation variations are so small.
>>>>>>> In fact surface light has been going down for decades because of
>>>>>>> atmospheric pollution, but now starting to rise slowly as
>>>>>>> atmospheric sulfur and nitrogen pollution are controlled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hans Creek is an interesting area, and you may know that I proposed
>>>>>>> it as a coral reef restoration site. I still hope this is possible,
>>>>>>> but it really depends on blocking the marina and golf course. Which
>>>>>>> I guess is still a pending issue. There is a small chance that I may
>>>>>>> get back to BVI later this year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thomas J. Goreau, PhD
>>>>>>> President, Global Coral Reef Alliance
>>>>>>> Coordinator, United Nations Commission on Sustainable Development
>>>>>>> Partnership in New Technologies for Small Island Developing States
>>>>>>> 37 Pleasant Street, Cambridge MA 02139
>>>>>>> 617-864-4226
>>>>>>> goreau at bestweb.net
>>>>>>> http://www.globalcoral.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Bill Raymond wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom Goreau:
>>>>>>>> Don't you consider solar intensity a factor in coral bleaching? In
>>>>>>>> Tortola I found bleached corals in late October, offshore, but
>>>>>>>> mangrove-shaded Siderastreas in warm Hans Creek
>>>>>>>> were not bleached.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> =
>> Thomas J. Goreau, PhD
>>
>> President, Global Coral Reef Alliance
>>
>> Coordinator, United Nations Commission on Sustainable Development
>> Partnership in New Technologies for Small Island Developing States
>>
>> 37 Pleasant Street, Cambridge MA 02139
>>
>> 617-864-4226
>>
>> goreau at bestweb.net <mailto:goreau at bestweb.net>
>>
>> http://www.globalcoral.org
>>
>>
>> =
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