[Coral-List] "sarcasm, endless disagreements, personal attacks..."

RainbowWarriorsInternational southern_caribbean at yahoo.com
Wed Dec 1 13:37:17 EST 2010

Dear Jim and all listers,

I have a proposal for removing the clutter and alleviating the work of the hard core, dedicated scientists and researchers on the list.

We could split the list into two separate lists, with exactly the same range of topics.

The idea is to moderate and use two baskets, so every email still gets moderated but when it falls into the category debate it is deferred to a Coral-Debate-List instead of the Coral-List.

Because debates do serve a useful purpose we leave it up to the sound judgment of the Coral-List moderator to decide to which list it gets submitted.

The subscription would have to be renewed in order to subscribe to Coral-List new style and the current subscribers are given the option of subscribing to Coral-Debate-list as well.

For email submissions by subscribers whose content is obvious debate and who have no subscription to the Debate list the submission is lost to the waste basket.

Eventually after a certain period (e.g. 30 days) the separation of mails is automatically stopped and one has to submit directly to the most suitable list.

Milton Ponson, President
Rainbow Warriors Core Foundation
(Rainbow Warriors International) Tel. +297 568 5908
PO Box 1154, Oranjestad 
Aruba, Dutch Caribbean 
Email: southern_caribbean at yahoo.com    http://www.rainbowwarriors.net

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--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Jim Hendee <Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov> wrote:

From: Jim Hendee <Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov>
Subject: [Coral-List] "sarcasm, endless disagreements, personal attacks..."
To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 5:44 AM

I usually don't forward messages, rather encourage direct submission,
but this one is special.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:     Re: [Coral-List] More La Ninia
Date:     Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:13:09 -0500
To:     Jim Hendee <Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov>

Good morning Jim, I assume you are the editor/manager of the list?  I am writing to you directly, not the list.  I am a coastal engineer, also subscriber to the coastal list sponsored by UDEL.  Earlier this year, I joined coral list, as I have become more involved in artificial reef design, am working more closely with marine biologists...Basically I joined coral list hoping to gain insight/knowledge, and to experience the same type benefits demonstrated by the coastal list.

What a stark contrast between the two lists.  Where the coastal list provides single threaded, concise announcements/responses, such as information on upcoming events, data, employment opps/resumes, projects, research (is there a paper or research on xyz, if so please share info on subject, etc.), it is not an open forum for sarcasm, endless disagreements, personal attacks, belittling others, questioning their knowledge or lack thereof, questioning the motives of the US Govt in the aftermath of the oil spill, etc....

My experience with the coral list, unfortunately, has been deeply disappointing and inadvertantly humorous, but in a pitiful way, only a handful of the 20+ daily posts (which I assume are edited for content/appropriateness?) are actually informative (from my perspective).   As an engineer (believe it or not, some of us coastal engineers are also lumped into the tree hugger category), it is precisely this type of preconceived behavior/reputation among environmental professionals that discourages and actually frightens other professionals within the coastal industry of possible project derailment and delays. 

I sincerely hope you will consider re-evaluating the purpose and functions of the list, and encourage those who disagree/insult repeatedly to take it up between themselves, off list.  Unless the purpose of the list is in fact this sort of thing (ongoing debates), then I will remove myself from the coral debate list, as I have gained very little insight, a few chuckles, and mostly junk mail.

If you agree with me and wish to post this (which will probably receive the same type of insulting backlash), please do so anonymously, remove my name/email address if it might help you in your efforts to reign in the list.  In my opinion, its in a perpetual state of spirally out of control.

Thanks for listening,


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