[Coral-List] "sarcasm, endless disagreements, personal attacks..."

Ed Blume eblume2702 at gmail.com
Thu Dec 2 15:13:48 EST 2010

Your idea is so good that a new list already exists at

The list has 34 members who came from Coral-List.

I lightly moderate the posts to avoid racism, sexism and all other
inappropriate isms, and cussin'.

Otherwise, its a coral reef discussion free for all!

Ed Blume
Reef enthusiast, not a scientist
Madison, WI

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM, RainbowWarriorsInternational <
southern_caribbean at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Jim and all listers,
> I have a proposal for removing the clutter and alleviating the work of the
> hard core, dedicated scientists and researchers on the list.
> We could split the list into two separate lists, with exactly the same
> range of topics.
> The idea is to moderate and use two baskets, so every email still gets
> moderated but when it falls into the category debate it is deferred to a
> Coral-Debate-List instead of the Coral-List.
> Because debates do serve a useful purpose we leave it up to the sound
> judgment of the Coral-List moderator to decide to which list it gets
> submitted.
> The subscription would have to be renewed in order to subscribe to
> Coral-List new style and the current subscribers are given the option of
> subscribing to Coral-Debate-list as well.
> For email submissions by subscribers whose content is obvious debate and
> who have no subscription to the Debate list the submission is lost to the
> waste basket.
> Eventually after a certain period (e.g. 30 days) the separation of mails is
> automatically stopped and one has to submit directly to the most suitable
> list.
> Milton Ponson, President
> Rainbow Warriors Core Foundation
> (Rainbow Warriors International) Tel. +297 568 5908
> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
> Email: southern_caribbean at yahoo.com    http://www.rainbowwarriors.net
> To unite humanity in a global society dedicated to a sustainable way of
> life
> --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Jim Hendee <Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov> wrote:
> From: Jim Hendee <Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov>
> Subject: [Coral-List] "sarcasm, endless disagreements, personal attacks..."
> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 5:44 AM
> I usually don't forward messages, rather encourage direct submission,
> but this one is special.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:     Re: [Coral-List] More La Ninia
> Date:     Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:13:09 -0500
> From:
> To:     Jim Hendee <Jim.Hendee at noaa.gov>
> Good morning Jim, I assume you are the editor/manager of the list?  I am
> writing to you directly, not the list.  I am a coastal engineer, also
> subscriber to the coastal list sponsored by UDEL.  Earlier this year, I
> joined coral list, as I have become more involved in artificial reef design,
> am working more closely with marine biologists...Basically I joined coral
> list hoping to gain insight/knowledge, and to experience the same type
> benefits demonstrated by the coastal list.
> What a stark contrast between the two lists.  Where the coastal list
> provides single threaded, concise announcements/responses, such as
> information on upcoming events, data, employment opps/resumes, projects,
> research (is there a paper or research on xyz, if so please share info on
> subject, etc.), it is not an open forum for sarcasm, endless disagreements,
> personal attacks, belittling others, questioning their knowledge or lack
> thereof, questioning the motives of the US Govt in the aftermath of the oil
> spill, etc....
> My experience with the coral list, unfortunately, has been deeply
> disappointing and inadvertantly humorous, but in a pitiful way, only a
> handful of the 20+ daily posts (which I assume are edited for
> content/appropriateness?) are actually informative (from my
> perspective).   As an engineer (believe it or not, some of us coastal
> engineers are also lumped into the tree hugger category), it is precisely
> this type of preconceived behavior/reputation among environmental
> professionals that discourages and actually frightens other professionals
> within the coastal industry of possible project derailment and delays.
> I sincerely hope you will consider re-evaluating the purpose and functions
> of the list, and encourage those who disagree/insult repeatedly to take it
> up between themselves, off list.  Unless the purpose of the list is in fact
> this sort of thing (ongoing debates), then I will remove myself from the
> coral debate list, as I have gained very little insight, a few chuckles, and
> mostly junk mail.
> If you agree with me and wish to post this (which will probably receive the
> same type of insulting backlash), please do so anonymously, remove my
> name/email address if it might help you in your efforts to reign in the
> list.  In my opinion, its in a perpetual state of spirally out of control.
> Thanks for listening,
> ....anonymous...
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