[Coral-List] question about the expanded listing of coral species

Eugene Shinn eshinn at marine.usf.edu
Thu Feb 25 12:23:11 EST 2010

>My concerns about the CBDs proposed threatened coral species action 
>certainly created some interest among list readers.  I had hoped 
>that by discussing this issue someone would come forward and explain 
>how the listing would save those species when listing of Acropora 
>appeared to have done little. Like Eric Borneman, I wanted to know 
>who and how the species were selected.  What I heard through the 
>list responses was that "it would make people aware of the problem." 
>Unfortunately that will not save any corals since they are not being 
>collected or molested in any significant way. There really is no 
>action that would change Caribbean-wide diseases and water quality 
>issues in the short term. What worries me the most  is that the 
>Florida Keys are already a marine sanctuary that protects all 
>species of corals including those that are not included in the 82 
>species.  Will having NMFS list them  save those in Florida? Maybe 
>they are directing this listing outside of Florida? I think we are 
>all aware that  If Co2 emissions were to cease tomorrow it might 
>take about 50 years before atmospheric and sea water levels returned 
>to pre industrial levels. If that's what is killing them (we really 
>do not know what is killing them in the Caribbean) then they would 
>already be dead by then.
>What we have heard from the CBD attorney on the list was a simply a 
>legal explaination of their action. There was no suggestion as to 
>how NMFS can save corals from storms, and a region wide 
>disease/water quality problem. I did a little checking and found 
>that the CBD has been very successful in badgering governments and 
>using our tax money to do so. During its 20-year exisence CBD has 
>wone close to 90 percent of its 500 cases! For more see the book 
>"Eco Barons: The Dreamers, Schemers and Millionaires Who Are Saving 
>Our Planet." I asked the question earlier, "where do they get their 
>funding" A little investigation revealed a lot. Here is a quote from 
>Budd-Falen Law Offices of Cheyenne, Wyoming document, "Just between 
>Arizona, California, the District of Columbia, Georgia, New Mexico, 
>and Washington, the CBD has amassed $6,709,467 in attorneys fees all 
>paid by the taxpayers. That's a pretty good business. I will send 
>the full statement to those who request it. For more about the 
>attorneys and who makes CBD tick go to 
><http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/opinion/113415.php> and finally 
>for a lot of fun go to this site 
><http://www.endangeredspeciescondoms.com/> and learn about CBD birth 
>control devices. I can't wait to order my Staghorn package. Gene PS: 
>The tucsoncitizen website has been removed since I read it yesterday.
>No Rocks, No Water, No Ecosystem (EAS)
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>E. A. Shinn, Courtesy Professor
>University of South Florida
>Marine Science Center (room 204)
>140 Seventh Avenue South
>St. Petersburg, FL 33701
><eshinn at marine.usf.edu>
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No Rocks, No Water, No Ecosystem (EAS)
------------------------------------ -----------------------------------
E. A. Shinn, Courtesy Professor
University of South Florida
Marine Science Center (room 204)
140 Seventh Avenue South
St. Petersburg, FL 33701
<eshinn at marine.usf.edu>
Tel 727 553-1158---------------------------------- 

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