[Coral-List] question about the expanded listing of coral species
Eugene Shinn
eshinn at marine.usf.edu
Thu Feb 25 12:23:11 EST 2010
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>My concerns about the CBDs proposed threatened coral species action
>certainly created some interest among list readers. I had hoped
>that by discussing this issue someone would come forward and explain
>how the listing would save those species when listing of Acropora
>appeared to have done little. Like Eric Borneman, I wanted to know
>who and how the species were selected. What I heard through the
>list responses was that "it would make people aware of the problem."
>Unfortunately that will not save any corals since they are not being
>collected or molested in any significant way. There really is no
>action that would change Caribbean-wide diseases and water quality
>issues in the short term. What worries me the most is that the
>Florida Keys are already a marine sanctuary that protects all
>species of corals including those that are not included in the 82
>species. Will having NMFS list them save those in Florida? Maybe
>they are directing this listing outside of Florida? I think we are
>all aware that If Co2 emissions were to cease tomorrow it might
>take about 50 years before atmospheric and sea water levels returned
>to pre industrial levels. If that's what is killing them (we really
>do not know what is killing them in the Caribbean) then they would
>already be dead by then.
>What we have heard from the CBD attorney on the list was a simply a
>legal explaination of their action. There was no suggestion as to
>how NMFS can save corals from storms, and a region wide
>disease/water quality problem. I did a little checking and found
>that the CBD has been very successful in badgering governments and
>using our tax money to do so. During its 20-year exisence CBD has
>wone close to 90 percent of its 500 cases! For more see the book
>"Eco Barons: The Dreamers, Schemers and Millionaires Who Are Saving
>Our Planet." I asked the question earlier, "where do they get their
>funding" A little investigation revealed a lot. Here is a quote from
>Budd-Falen Law Offices of Cheyenne, Wyoming document, "Just between
>Arizona, California, the District of Columbia, Georgia, New Mexico,
>and Washington, the CBD has amassed $6,709,467 in attorneys fees all
>paid by the taxpayers. That's a pretty good business. I will send
>the full statement to those who request it. For more about the
>attorneys and who makes CBD tick go to
><http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/opinion/113415.php> and finally
>for a lot of fun go to this site
><http://www.endangeredspeciescondoms.com/> and learn about CBD birth
>control devices. I can't wait to order my Staghorn package. Gene PS:
>The tucsoncitizen website has been removed since I read it yesterday.
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>No Rocks, No Water, No Ecosystem (EAS)
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>University of South Florida
>Marine Science Center (room 204)
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><eshinn at marine.usf.edu>
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No Rocks, No Water, No Ecosystem (EAS)
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E. A. Shinn, Courtesy Professor
University of South Florida
Marine Science Center (room 204)
140 Seventh Avenue South
St. Petersburg, FL 33701
<eshinn at marine.usf.edu>
Tel 727 553-1158----------------------------------
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