[Coral-List] La Nina and global warming

Tom Williams ctwiliams at yahoo.com
Sat Nov 27 15:07:48 EST 2010

Global Warming/Climate Change does relate to corals and yes we use to have coral reefs in central california; we use to have tropical waters over much of the central valley but I don't start talking about the melting of the tundra/permafrost or the opening of the Arctic Pack Ice on Coral List....are they related - kind of.  
But we can talk about what are the GW aspects of the northern and southern most corals - say those on the south end of Hainan Island in South China...north edge of South China Sea...Do we see any changes in sea water temps north of Bermuda...

I don't want anyone restricted other than saying how GW is either affecting or not yet affecting corals at XYZ...be they skeptics, scientists, or lots of "small people" and I don't worry about religious or political swings of anyone as long as we are talking corals, reefs, and marine ecology...
Many aspects of the GW (note NOT using CC) are not directly related to oceanography (thermodynamics of the thermal differences between the equator/polar and drivers for jet stream) but then they can be related to the winds  then to currents and then to sea water temp and eventually to corals...ALL I ask is to keep the focus on corals as the list states, and yeh even reef balls...how about the changes in starfish distribution and their effects on corals... 
Does anyone have the address for the best science-blog-list for global warming or even climate change????? I have always been leaning on te climatological sides but worked in the North Slope conditions...influenced by Antarctic climatologist and Quaternary glaciologist along with 6 months on fisheries for the first offshore oil production platform in the US Arctic ocean...
BUT Where are the reefs that would be first affected by GW East/West Coasts of Pacific/Atlantic...any indicators in Diego Garcia or the wester/eastern coasts of the Indian OCeans...

--- On Fri, 11/26/10, Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Coral-List] La Nina and global warming
To: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov" <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
Date: Friday, November 26, 2010, 8:07 PM

It appears that some desire to restrict or cut off discussion of climate change 
issues on the list. They argue that the topic doesn't pertain to coral reefs
or marine ecosystems and that these discussions would be more appropriate if
confined to other venues where atmospheric considerations dominate. Others want to impose selective criteria on anyone posting comments that qualify as "pro-AGW".

(Hopefully, no one on either side is pro anthropogenic global warming)

But, be that as it may, it should be pointed out that the current thread began 
with the proddings of one of list's more outspoken anthropogenic climate change
skeptics. (If that term can be used in an endearing sense as there is no intention of accusing anyone of heretical behavior.) In fact, I would say that although his views  often draw fire, to his credit he (Gene) has never suggested that the debate be muted.

Whenever it is suggested that contributors be limited by arbitrary criteria or
topics forbidden by a similar paradigm it becomes an advocacy for censorship.
I would hope that the Coral-List would want to avoid such an overt suppression 
of thought. 

This is not a religious debate, but an examination of scientific facts, albeit with
some level of prognostication as is common in developing any theoretical concept.
It is not contrived, designed to control the list or meant to induce fear. 
Nor are these exchanges preventing the introduction of alternate topics. 

We can all probably do more in our everyday lives to improve the situation,
but restricting the exchange of ideas isn't one of them.

We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still.  ~John Stuart Mill

  We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still.  ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

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