[Coral-List] Atolls and SL rise
Richard Dunne
RichardPDunne at aol.com
Sun Oct 3 22:41:54 EDT 2010
Dear Paul and List
By casting aside the more recent evidence from Han et al 2010 (Nature
Geoscience) into the category of "a little absurd" you fail to
distinguish between regional sea-level rise and globally averaged
effects, between analysis which incorporate regional ocean-atmosphere
circulation changes and which do not, between examination of recent
(from the 1960s up to 2008) rates of change, and those incorporating
semi-empirical modelled and predicted events. These things cannot be
easily resolved or selectively dismissed in this way.
Han et al. conclude "Our results indicate that warming-induced regional
atmospheric circulation changes - although challenging for climate
models, especially over the Indian monsoon region - should be considered
seriously, together with thermal expansion, melting land ice and natural
variability, to achieve reliable regional sea-level and climate prediction."
A recent comprehensive review of of sea-level rise by Cazenave & Llovel
(Annual Reviews of Marine Science 2010) considers an earlier paper by
Rahmstorf (2007) which like the recent Vermeer & Rahmstorf (2009)
produced comparable values of between 50 and 120cm by 2100, describing
it as "offering plausible ranges of future sea-level rise and an
interesting alternative to still uncertain coupled climate model
projections.".
Also, if it is indeed "widely accepted" as you say, that the IPCC AR4
(AB1) scenario for future globally averaged sea-level rise is a serious
underestimation then why for example do the eminent scientists of the
Royal Society (Climate change: a summary of the science. Sept 2010) not
share these views? There is no evidence that they accept the large
values that you cite, quite the contrary. They conclude that "Because of
the thermal expansion of the ocean, it is very likely that for many
centuries the rate of global sea-level rise will be at least as large as
the rate of 20 cm per century that has been observed over the past
century." and "There is currently insufficient understanding of the
enhanced melting and retreat of the ice sheets on Greenland and West
Antarctica to predict exactly how much the rate of sea level rise will
increase above that observed in the past century for a given temperature
increase."
This is, and remains an area of considerable uncertainty and controversy
and I dare say will remain so until a reliable longer term dataset has
accumulated. In the meantime we should be cautious to oversimplify the
issues involved and close our minds to all the alternatives.
Richard P Dunne
On 03/10/2010 05:08, Paul Blanchon wrote:
> Dear Richard and list,
>
> The argument that some atolls "may survive for generations" and
> should be considered for re-population seems just a little absurd,
> regardless of the politics.
> It is widely accepted that not only is the IPCC AR4 prediction of SL
> rise a serious underestimation, but that over the last few decades
> "...sea level has in fact risen 50% more than predicted by its
> models..." (see the illuminating climate-science blog at:
> www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/03/ippc-sealevel-gate/).
>
> The IPCC underestimation has been the subject of several subsequent
> publications which all conclude SL rise by 2100 will likely exceed one
> meter: for example, Vermeer and Rahmstorf 2009 (PNAS 106: 21527-21532)
> predict average rates over the 21st century will be 8-18 mm/year.
> Thus, as Chip Fletcher implies, the experience of Micronesians is
> likely to be repeated in all low-lying coastal communities, regardless
> of past or future regional variation.
>
> Re-population of any atoll would therefore seem to be an exceptionally bad idea.
>
> Saludos,
> Paul.
>
> Paul Blanchon
> Marine Geoscience Lab.,
> Reef Systems Unit,
> Institute of Marine Sciences& Limnology
> National Autonomous University of Mexico
> Tel. +52 (998) 87-10009 Ext 166
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