[Coral-List] Coral Reef Curmudgeons
ctwiliams at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 23 18:04:58 EDT 2010
I have read several of the Curmudgeons messages...the only time "coral" is mentioned is in the Subject Line????
As this is "CORAL List" lets focus on corals...they need the help.
BTW - my dissertation dealt with the climate change generated by the rising himalayas and rockies and their effects on the JetStream and the Monsoon/Meditterean Weather systems....yeah - I BELIEVE the available info is sufficient to warrant most and probably a lot more concerns for the Climate Changes and ocean circulation and what both/all will do to the already dessimated coral reef communities throughout the world ....
LETS focus at least one word, one sentence, or one paragraph on corals or reefs..
--- On Thu, 9/23/10, Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net> wrote:
> From: Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Coral-List] Coral Reef Curmudgeons
> To: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov" <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 5:03 AM
> In a more perfect world of pure and independent
> scientific research
> your premise that “where the message comes from is and
> remains irrelevant”
> would hold true, but it is apparent that our contemporary
> do not to occupy that realm.
> Contrary to your perspective, the central problem may not
> be found in what
> scientific inquiry is carried out (although that can
> sometimes be the case),
> but in the ability of proprietary interests to influence
> and selectively use
> the results produced for material or ideological ends.
> Modern day scientists are not void of social
> responsibility, but rather appear to be
> entrapped by the system in which they operate. It is true
> that we shouldn’t
> disregard the “science” produced from certain sectors a
> priori, but at the same time
> we must insist on a level of transparency that allows for
> the detection of
> potential conflicts of interest. This has to be considered
> because in our less than
> perfect world, there is ample evidence that peripheral
> factors often influence results.
> In a sense, if we ignore this reality, we are choosing to
> live in a Dark Ages
> all our own.
> Attacking the blameless messenger may be poor form, but
> when the Persian emissaries
> arrived at the gates of Sparta demanding that it submit to
> King Xerxes,
> can you really fault Leonidas and his soldiers for forcing
> them into the pit?
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Ulf Erlingsson <ceo at lindorm.com>
> >Sent: Sep 22, 2010 10:15 AM
> >To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> >Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Coral Reef Curmudgeons
> >This is not about coral, but it is crucial for the
> future of science.
> >How shall we evaluate research?
> >Already the old Greeks knew that it was the message,
> not the
> >messenger, that we shall pay attention to. So how comes
> that so many
> >today focus on where the message comes from? It is and
> >The fact is that scientists depend on funding, and
> funding is not
> >results-neutral in many cases. Thus, the bias is more
> likely to be in
> >what scientific inquiry is carried out (or not carried
> out), than in
> >the results that are published. If we disregard results
> from a
> >certain sector a priori, we are back to the Dark
> >All results have to be critically evaluated based on
> merits, without
> >regard for who wrote it.
> >On 2010-09-21, at 13:14, Dr. Elaine M. Abusharbain
> >> Dear Coral Listers,
> >> I am not a biological or coral reef scientist, but
> as I science
> >> educator
> >> I see these problems as important in science ed.
> Are American
> >> Enterprise
> >> Institute scientists really scientists? They were
> funded $ 23
> >> million by
> >> Exxon to produce climate change science. Is this
> stuff peer reviewed
> >> when it comes from a think tank? I don't think so.
> The public sees
> >> scientists with PhD's doing research and considers
> it valid science.
> >> How can you blame the public for not understanding
> this subtle but
> >> huge
> >> difference? Yet who is on NPR just about every day
> posing as a
> >> reputable
> >> view on all kinds of matters including climate
> >> Scientists have produced NAS, IPPC etc reports,
> years ago. In my
> >> dealings with nonbiology majors in college and
> most biology majors,
> >> they
> >> are unaware of these kinds of influences nor the
> scientific reports
> >> even
> >> though they understand the importance of peer
> >> There is much to educate about and not enough
> science educators out
> >> there who take on the charge. Our media is
> very controlled if even
> >> biology students are unaware of these kinds of
> reports (until they
> >> take
> >> ecology of course and many won't)
> >> Thanks, I am on the list to become educated in
> coral science.... so I
> >> usually keep to myself.
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