[Coral-List] Mutton snapper eating lionfish in Roatan (Todd Barber)

Jason Krumholz jkrumholz at gso.uri.edu
Wed Jan 26 11:47:28 EST 2011

Let's not get personal here... I think all involved agree that the lionfish
issue in the Caribbean is of utmost importance, and requires the
collaboration of all involved, and the thorough consideration and discussion
of the benefits and liabilities of all proposed solutions.

Furthermore, it's necessary to carefully consider others points (whether you
agree or not) before responding.  Todd's point is NOT that people shouldn't
be shooting lionfish.  His point is that the benefits of feeding shot
lionfish to local piscivores in an attempt to train these fish to eat
lionfish naturally are far outweighed by the liabilities of this strategy,
and I have to say that on many levels, I do tend to agree with him.  I think
that history shows us that this strategy, if done repeatedly, is far more
likely to habituate these fish to being fed by divers, and cause them to
hunt nothing at all than it is to cause them to put a measurable predation
mortality on the lionfish population.

History also shows us that if we change the fish's name to something
appetizing, it speeds the development of the fishery (e.g. Patagonian
toothfish = Chilean seabass)... so here's to all efforts to aid the emerging
fishery for Caribbean striped grouper.

Jason Krumholz
Graduate Research Assistant
University of Rhode Island Graduate School of Oceanography
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Narragansett RI 02882
jkrumholz at gso.uri.edu
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Todd, I feel the need to point out the irony in your comments; you make a
living littering the sea floor with cement, AKA "reef balls", in an attempt
to artificially "restore" reefs, hotel beaches, etc and yet you argued "it's
better to let mother nature adapt in a natural way" than to intervene and
attempt local biocontrol?  You also hypothesized about some of the
unintended consequences and long term-effects related to spear-fishing and
science in general.  Wouldn't these views also apply to your own commercial
activities? Your rant just seems a bit hypocritical to me.


John Bruno
Associate Professor
UNC Chapel Hill

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Wild animals (both land and sea) should never be "trained"....history
shows time and time again that inducing these types of behaviors often
leads to unintended consequences.

There's nothing wrong (and it's quite admirable) for Roatan to have a
program to encourage taking of the lionfish for local restaurant
consumption.  Issuing spearguns for control of lionfish can be useful
as long as the spearguns are used only for lion fish to control
populations.  However, feeding wild fish (with any food source much
less on with known poisonous spines) is nothing less than an
uncontrolled and potentially dangerous experiment.

Until science determines some definitive answer, lionfish are here to
stay but it's better to let mother nature adapt in a natural way to
the new species rather than trying to force new behaviors on wild fish
populations. If you want to feed lionfish to other fish species do so
in a captive (perhaps public) aquarium...they you get free fish food
without modifying behaviors of wild fish populations.

Ever stop to think what those fish would be doing if they were not
following spear fisherpeople for a free meal?  I have personally seen
fish that were in a weakened diseased state in an area where fish were
fed regularly then abruptly stopped (it was a tourist designation for
a submarine that moved locations and fish were no longer feed daily).
I have also (personally) witnessed Sharks and Goliath Groupers become
very aggressive to divers when getting accustomed to stealing food
from spearfishing.  There have been reported attacks from sharks
accustomed to stealing food from spearfishing.

I think good intentions are awesome....we all need to try to come up
with solutions to issues facing our reefs....but long term
consequences should always be considered too.


Todd R Barber
Chairman, Reef Ball Foundation
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