[Coral-List] 12th ICRS registration fee (alternative meeting?)

GJ GJ at fishion.eu
Mon Jul 18 09:27:45 EDT 2011

Dear Todd and others,

On the ICRS2012 website you find the symposium committee under Welcome & About ICRS. Four names have ICMS Australasia behind them.
You find these people at http://www.icmsaust.com.au/ by clicking the "Your ICSMA team" button at the right bottom.
If you click the Contacty button, you find the same PO Box, phone and fax as on the ICRS2012 website.

So, yes, it is all outsourced and that costs money. After all these folks also have to make a living and they (should) do a lot of work for the dollars they get.

For previous meetings whole departments from professors to students were involved in the organisation. That did not only keep the price down, but I think it is also a good experience for students.

It is a choice. I liked the sometimes clumsiness of well intending volunteers. Makes it more personal. Afterall we're sort of a big international coral familly. But I realise that organising a 1500+ meeting is an enormous amount of work and see the logic of outsourcing.

Now the real question is: for how many people is the fee prohibiting? And is this what the ISRS (we) wants?

Best wishes, GJ

P.s. maybe someone downunder can guide these folks at ICMSA to the coral list so that they also can join the discussion and give answers to the many questions raised?

Dr GJ Gast - Fishion Consultancy
Koningin Wilhelminakade 227
1975GL IJmuiden, The Netherlands
Mobile +31 6 5424 0126
From: artificialreef at gmail.com [artificialreef at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Todd Barber [reefball at reefball.com]
Sent: 18 July 2011 14:49
To: GJ
Cc: jkrumholz at gso.uri.edu; Fuad Al-Horani; coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] 12th ICRS registration fee (alternative meeting?)

It's strange all the contacts listed at
http://www.icrs2012.com/Contacts.htm are one time email addresses with
a P.O. box and all have the same phone number and fax....maybe there
are not any real people from the coral community running this thing
and it's all being outsourced?  Maybe that's why there has been no
response on the Coral List?

And I think we should all once again thank NOVA for doing such a
spectacular job the last conference maybe we were spoiled with such a
wonderfully organized event that it will be hard to measure up.


Todd R Barber
Chairman, Reef Ball Foundation
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On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:14 AM, GJ <GJ at fishion.eu> wrote:
> Dear all,
> International exchange rates fluctuate so it is good to take this into
>  account. I have looked up the historic and current exchange rates and worked it
>  out.
> AU$ per US$ was 1.04 in June 2008 is now 0.94. This is a 10% increase in
>  value of the Australian dollar compard to the US dollar.
> Euro per US$ was 0.63 in June 2008
> Euro per AU$ is now 0.75
> non-member early reg fee
>            US$     AU$    Euro
> 2008    545      567     343
> 2012   1050     987     740
>            93%    74%   116% increase
> Student early reg fee
>            US$     AU$    Euro
> 2008    295      307      186
> 2012    700      658      494
>            137%  114%  166% increase
> So, yes, there is a tremendous increase in registration fees. This increase
>  is indeed most for students.
> And, yes, exchange rates play a role, but it is minor. Hit hardest are the
>  Europeans because of the decreased value of the Euro combined with the
>  increased value of the Australian dollar.
> Something else has happened. than exchange rates only. When I look at the
>  web addresses of the symposium sites:
> http://www.nova.edu/ncri/11icrs/
> http://www.icrs2012.com/
> I notice that the extension of the domain has changed from education to
>  company. Has this anything to do with the decisions on the registration fees, I
>  wonder....
> I think it would be really wise if the organisers of the 2012 ICRS would
>  step in the discussion and give their response/explanation/reasons. The silence
>  from Down Under so far is a tad worrying. The sooner we have clarity, the
>  better.
> Best wishes, GJ
> --
> Dr GJ Gast - Fishion Consultancy
> Koningin Wilhelminakade 227
> 1975GL IJmuiden, The Netherlands
> Mobile +31 6 5424 0126
> ________________________________________
> From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>  [coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml..noaa.gov] On Behalf Of jkrumholz at gso.uri..edu [jkrumholz at gso.uri.edu]
> Sent: 17 July 2011 05:45
> To: Fuad Al-Horani
> Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov; coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] 12th ICRS registration fee (alternative meeting?)
> It is also worthwhile to consider that these conferences are in planning
> for quite a while, and many of us are judging currency based on the US
> Dollar, which presently is worth, roughly speaking, about 0.93 Australian
> dollars.  In 2009 when they probably started planning this conference, one
> US dollar was worth approximately 1.6 Australian, which effectively nearly
> doubles the cost of attending the conference by no fault of the conference
> organizers.
> I think one of the reasons that conferences like this move around a lot is
> because of the travel expenses associated with it.  For example, Dr. Al
> Horani cites that the conference was expensive and remote when it was in
> the USA.  He and I think Australia is far away, but I'm sure the many
> coral researchers from Australia do not feel that the location of the 12th
> ICRS is remote... so it's wise that the conference moves around to
> different areas of the world with coral related interests, and for what
> its worth, I would fully support a location in the Middle East for a
> future meeting.
>> Dear All,
>> I've been following with concern, the querries about the expensive costs
>> for particpating in the12th ICRS . This in fact is a big issue for all
>> interested reserachers, especially in the low income countries! Its not
>> only the registration fees, but also the costs for tickets and
>> accomodations. This was the same when it was held in the USA! in Japan as
>> well!! all are expensive and remote countries!! So many students and
>> reserachers could not attend because of the high expenses!!! For that, I
>> was thinking to apply for the organizing commettee of the ICRS to host the
>> 13th ICRS in Aqaba-Jordan, since Jordan is located in the middle of
>> everywhere and the costs will difinitly be much lowers in all levels. This
>> was originally a suggestion by some international researchers with the
>> main goal of reducing the costs for participation in such important
>> meeting. I agreed to start working for that, but after a second thought, I
>> remembered that even if I did apply, only strong countries (lik
>>  e the above mentioned countries) can win the organization! So, going back
>> to the suggestion by some listers to organize another conference to allow
>> as many as possible of the interested people to participate, I am
>> thinking of having another similar conference in Aqaba. So, if there is
>> enough support for the idea, I can start working on it?? what do you
>> think?
>>  Fuad
>> ************************************
>> Dr. Fuad A. Al-Horani
>> and                Marine Science Station
>> Associate Professor of Coral Reef Eco-Physiology
>> P.. O. Box 195, 77110 Aqaba, Jordan
>> Faculty of Marine Sciences
>>                   Phone: +962-3-2015145
>> The University of Jordan-Aqaba
>>              fax: +962-3-2013674
>> P. O. Box 2595, Aqaba 77110
>> Phone: +962-3-2090450-35072 , fax: +962-3-2090460
>> e-mail: f.horani at ju.edu.jo mobile: +962-775612025
>> Skype address: fuad.al.horani
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:18:27 -0400
>> From: "Sangeeta Mangubhai" <smangubhai at TNC.ORG>
>> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] 12th ICRS registration fee query
>> To: "Fernando A. Zapata" <fernando.zapata at correounivalle.edu.co>,
>>         "Paul Jones" <littlepaul77 at hotmail.com>
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>> Dear Paul and fellow colleagues,
>> If what you write is correct, I feel quite alarmed at how much the cost of
>> ICRS has soared. Anyone who has to add on an international flight is now
>> looking at a $2-4000 investment to attend ICRS, depending on how far they
>> are coming from. From Indonesia, we were hoping to send a number of our
>> local staff to attend this important conference and present on some of the
>> innovative work they are doing - but with such high costs, there is no way
>> we can afford to send staff, without some sort of supporting grant. Or we
>> are going to have reduce the number of people we can send.
>> I too would be interested in learning why it has become so costly? How do
>> costs for ICRS compare to other international conferences?
>> I would rather we go back to having more simpler conferences, with less
>> frills, if it means more people can afford to attend, especially
>> up-and-coming young scientists on shoe-strong budgets, and those of us
>> from poorer countries. Science conferences should not be for the rich!
>> Regards Sangeeta
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>> [mailto:coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov] On Behalf Of Fernando A.
>> Zapata
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:19 PM
>> To: Paul Jones
>> Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] 12th ICRS registration fee query
>> Dear Paul and colleagues,
>> Bad news indeed. If those of you in affluent countries feel disheartened
>> by
>> the costs of registration to the 12th ICRS, imagine how we, in less
>> fortunate countries, feel. Hopeless, to say the least.
>> Fernando
>> Fernando A. Zapata, Ph.D.
>> Profesor
>> Departamento de Biolog?a
>> Universidad del Valle
>> Apartado A?reo 25360
>> Cali, Colombia
>> Tel. (+57-2) 321-2100 Ext. 2824
>> Fax. (+57-2) 339-3243
>> 2011/7/12 Paul Jones <littlepaul77 at hotmail.com>
>>> Dear listers,
>>> I received a brochure today for the 12th International
>>> Coral Reef Symposium, to be held in Cairns, Australia in July 2012.  I
>>> am
>>> saddened to say that while my enthusiasm
>>> for attending the event remains high, my probability of participation
>>> took
>>> a
>>> bit of a nose dive once I saw the registration fees.
>>> Four years ago, in Fort Lauderdale, the early bird registration
>>> fees were:
>>> Member/Non-member  - $495 / $545
>>> Student member/non-member - $275 / $295
>>> For the 12th ICRS, the early bird fees are (converted
>>> to US$ for correct comparison):
>>> Member/Non-member
>>> -  $995 / $1050
>>> Student  -  $700
>>> At a time when funding is tight and grants are scarce, I am
>>> a little disheartened to see that the registration fees have doubled
>>> (and
>>> almost
>>> tripled for students). Obviously I have never been involved in
>>> organizing
>>> an
>>> event such as this, but does anyone have any information as to why the
>>> fee
>>> is
>>> so high this time?
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:23:30 +0530 (IST)
>> From: "k.jaya kumar" <kjkkumar at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [Coral-List] Regarding the registration fee for 12th ICRS
>> To: Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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>> Dear all,
>> I share the concern for the increased registration charges and accept the
>> views
>> of the Sarah Frias-Torres regarding the early bird registration. it would
>> be
>> tough time for reef researchers like us to participate 12th ICRS at
>> Cairns. We
>> felt littel bit comfortable with the registration fees and other
>> arrangements
>> during 11th ICRS at Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
>> Dr. K. JayakumarAssistant Professor
>> Department of Animal Behavior & Physiology
>> School of Biological Sciences
>> Madurai Kamaraj University
>> Madurai-625021
>> India
>> Phone: 09865819728
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