[Coral-List] Connectivity and Lion Fish

Matthew Johnston johnmatt at nova.edu
Thu Jun 2 11:36:17 EDT 2011


Hi Gene,

One more clarification on the paper.  I'm not sure I would consider it 'out
of date'.  The purpose of the study was not to report on the most recent
lionfish sightings as this is readily available in real-time at the USGS
website, but rather examine past sightings and captures and learn from the
historical patterns expressed in the records.  The study used the most
accurate and recent data available for the chosen study period (through
around the end of 2009).  I could have just as easily examine a period
through the end of 2005 or 2007, I chose however to use the data through the
end of 2009 for the study.  The results of the model, including prediction
of spread throughout the Gulf (which is now occurring) only serve to
solidify the models predictive abilities.

Thanks again to all who read the article and for the feedback..it is much
appreciated!

-Matt

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Today's Topics:

   1. High pCO2 and calcification in the far distant past (John Ware)
   2. Lion Fish and Connectivity (Eugene Shinn)
   3. Re: Connectivity and Lion Fish (Matthew Johnston)
   4. Re: High pCO2 and calcification in the far distant past
      (Sam Kahng)
   5. Postdoc in coral biogeochemistry at Rutgers (Robert Sherrell)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:11:26 -0400
From: John Ware <jware at erols.com>
Subject: [Coral-List] High pCO2 and calcification in the far distant
	past
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Dear List:

For a long time I have thought, as many of you have, that paleo records of
times with high pCO2 would be good analogs for the future effects of high
pCO2 on present coral reefs.  Unfortunately, I have not found a good
reference that looks at available data and then discusses the results in an
understandable format.  I had thought that the following reference was going
to be helpful:

Doney,SC; Fabry,VJ; Feely,RA; Kleypas,JA (2009): Ocean acidification: 
the other CO2 problem. Annu. Rev. Mar. Sci. 1, 69-92.

Unfortunately, this is what I found in that reference:  "Periods of high
pCO2 (Permian, Cret) exhibit massive shallow-water CaCO3 deposits.  
Initially this appears to be a conundrum.  The short answer is that
saturation states may have been high during these periods despite high pCO2.
The long answer is complicated." 

While the above may not be a fully accurate quote, it carries the intent.
My problem is that the long and complicated answer is not given.  Can
anybody out there provide a reference that explains high calcification rates
the the far past when (presumably) there were periods of high atmospheric
pCO2 but also high calcification rates.

 I note that some authors claim that pCO2 in the Cretaceous could have been
in the 1000s (ppmv), and I also realize that the major calcifiers in the
late Cretaceous were probably rudists (sort of clams) not corals. 
 But what is out there that I have missed?

John

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:49:32 -0400
From: Eugene Shinn <eshinn at marine.usf.edu>
Subject: [Coral-List] Lion Fish and Connectivity
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Thanks to all that responded to my positing re Lion Fish. It is a great
example of the value of the coral-list. G.P. Schmahl reported that Lion Fish
were already under rigs in the Gulf  and likely will touch down on the
Flower Gardens soon. Lad Akins reports they have made it to the Windward
islands and pointed out a great map showing sightings at
<http://nas2.er.usgs.gov/viewer/omap.aspx?SpeciesID=963>
Clearly the modeling paper by Matthew that got me started is out of date and
to his credit he pointed that out to me.  Also, Michael Braynen pointed out
that the water flowing from the Atlantis aquarium in Nassau is sterilized
before return to the sea. I wonder if all 
flow through aquaria used for research do the same?   I suppose it is 
just a matter of time before Lion Fish reach Barbados and San Salvador. As
an aside I might mention a note from friends on their sailboat in Honduras
that says they found them delicious and mention that they dried  the spines
to use as tooth picks and for olives in martinis. Gee, how long will it be
before we find small pack of them for sale at Pier One? Gene
-- 


No Rocks, No Water, No Ecosystem (EAS)
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Marine Science Center (room 204)
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St. Petersburg, FL 33701
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:28:51 -0400
From: Matthew Johnston <johnmatt at nova.edu>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Connectivity and Lion Fish
To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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Gene,

Following is an explanation of some of the points you raise.

My lionfish study used records from the USGS NAS database where captures
occurred before Jan, 2, 2010.  Also, only records that were complete with
dates and coordinates were used.  As of Jan 2, 2010, only one lionfish had
been reported from the Gulf of Mexico meeting this criteria and there were
no reports from the Windward Islands.  Since that time they have been
reported from these both of these locations however.   

In the northern Gulf they have been reported as far west as
Louisiana..possibly further as I have not heard an update about this for a
few months.  There is abundant habitat as you mentioned on the Gulf rigs as
well as the flower gardens, and these areas are constantly awash in the loop
current so lionfish settling is extremely likely.  You are correct that they
were very abundant in North Carolina and the Bahamas long before becoming
established in the keys around 2009.  This timeline is outlined in the paper
as well as in the stage map that was one of the figures in the article.  The
specimens found in New York have all been juveniles, brought north on the
Gulf stream during the summer months when water temperatures rise.

I am working on getting a version of the software I used for my analysis
on-line for others to use.  I will make sure to post on the coral list when
this is ready.

-Matt

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Today's Topics:

   1. Connectivity and Lion Fish (Eugene Shinn)
   2. Re: Connectivity and Lion Fish (G.P. Schmahl)
   3. Re: Frogfish eats Lionfish (Rudy Bonn)
   4. looking for paper (Carla Zilberberg)
   5. Post-doctoral position available in Brisbane, Australia
      (Pim Bongaerts)
   6. Chagos MPA (Pete Raines)
   7. Re: Lionfish eaten and potential new invaders RE:	Frogfish
      eat lionfish (Douglas Fenner)
   8. JOB - Research/Education Summer Intern - CCMI Little	Cayman,
      Cayman Islands (ccmiapplications at reefresearch.org)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 09:48:38 -0400
From: Eugene Shinn <eshinn at marine.usf.edu>
Subject: [Coral-List] Connectivity and Lion Fish
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Thank you Matthew, Your paper is most interesting. Several things stand out.
There are no Lion Fish sightings in the windward islands? 
Only one sighting in the Gulf of Mexico off Florida? There were early
abundant sightings in the Bahamas and off the Carolinas long before they
were seen in the Florida Keys in 2009! I find it surprising that they are
present off New York but not in the northern Gulf of Mexico?
      In 1981 I observed them in abundance  beneath oil rigs off the
Philippines. One would think they should also occur under the rigs in the
northern Gulf of Mexico or at the Flower Gardens or Stetson bank which is
constantly monitored. Hopefully this posting will stimulate some sightings
in the Northern Gulf of Mexico. Last summer USGS divers (total of 12 divers)
spent many hours core drilling 50 feet at the Florida Middle Grounds. Had
they been present lion fish should have been spotted by this team of divers.
      Lack of Lion fish in the windward islands is not too surprising due to
the Trade Winds-assisted westward current flow. I am reminded that that back
in 1983 the Diadema sp blight reached the windward islands reefs in less
than a year. The Caribbean-wide sea fan  blight caused by the soil fungus
Aspergillus sydowii  also reached the windward islands including San
Salvador. How  fungal spores can travel upcurrent to places like San
Salvador remains a mystery. And don't forget the  Acropora blight that Also
peaked most everywhere in the Caribbean between 1983 and 1984.
     One hypothesis for the early proliferation of Lion Fish in the Bahamas
points to the huge Atlantis aquarium off Nassau. They filter the sea water
going in but not going out!

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:06:25 -0500
From: "G.P. Schmahl" <george.schmahl at noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Connectivity and Lion Fish
To: Eugene Shinn <eshinn at marine.usf.edu>
Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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   Gene - the lionfish distribution used in the referenced paper was a
little
   old.  Sitings in 2010 documented the presence of lionfish at several oil
and
   gas platforms off Louisiana and on natural habitat at Sonnier Bank (about
70
   miles east of the Flower Garden Banks), and additional reports off west
   Florida.  We expect them to arrive at the Flower Garden Banks soon, if
they
   are not there already.  We have been monitoring for them for the last few
   years.  I'm not sure why it has taken so long for them to arrive in the
   northern Gulf.
   See:  [1]http://nas.er.usgs.gov/taxgroup/fish/lionfishdistribution.aspx
   GP
   Eugene Shinn wrote:

Thank you Matthew, Your paper is most interesting. Several things
stand out. There are no Lion Fish sightings in the windward islands?
Only one sighting in the Gulf of Mexico off Florida? There were early
abundant sightings in the Bahamas and off the Carolinas long before
they were seen in the Florida Keys in 2009! I find it surprising that
they are present off New York but not in the northern Gulf of Mexico?
      In 1981 I observed them in abundance  beneath oil rigs off the
Philippines. One would think they should also occur under the rigs in
the northern Gulf of Mexico or at the Flower Gardens or Stetson bank
which is constantly monitored. Hopefully this posting will stimulate
some sightings in the Northern Gulf of Mexico. Last summer USGS
divers (total of 12 divers) spent many hours core drilling 50 feet at
the Florida Middle Grounds. Had they been present lion fish should
have been spotted by this team of divers.
      Lack of Lion fish in the windward islands is not too surprising
due to the Trade Winds-assisted westward current flow. I am reminded
that that back in 1983 the Diadema sp blight reached the windward
islands reefs in less than a year. The Caribbean-wide sea fan  blight
caused by the soil fungus Aspergillus sydowii  also reached the
windward islands including San Salvador. How  fungal spores can
travel upcurrent to places like San Salvador remains a mystery. And
don't forget the  Acropora blight that Also peaked most everywhere in
the Caribbean between 1983 and 1984.
     One hypothesis for the early proliferation of Lion Fish in the
Bahamas points to the huge Atlantis aquarium off Nassau. They filter
the sea water going in but not going out!



   --

   George (G.P.) Schmahl

   Sanctuary Superintendent

   National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

   Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary

   4700 Avenue U, Building 216

   Galveston, TX  77551

   (409) 621-5151 ext. 102

   (409) 621-1316 (fax)

   [2]george.schmahl at noaa.gov

   [3]http://flowergarden.noaa.gov

References

   1. http://nas.er.usgs.gov/taxgroup/fish/lionfishdistribution.aspx
   2. mailto:george.schmahl at noaa.gov
   3. http://flowergarden.noaa.gov/


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:41:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rudy Bonn <rudy_bonn at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Frogfish eats Lionfish
To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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It is certain that the invasive lionfish that is now firmly established in
Florida waters came from one source, genetic studies have proven this.? Now,
what to do with them, or how can we manage their populations?? Some folks
have suggested opening a fishery for the species, others try to eradicate
them by holding so-called lionfish derbies.? The best approach would be to
open a fishery for them but I also know that it is very unlikely to occur.?
And I agree with Doug, the best way to deal with invasives is to not
introduce them in the first place, so how do we go?about doing that.?
Education, outreach, are part of the?solution I would think, and perhaps
getting a ban, or more restrictive import measures when dealing with exotic
species perhaps through CITES, I dont?know.? I do?know this that lionfish
derbies do not put the slightest dent in reducing their numbers.? I also
know from personal experience?that these guys do exhibit site
 fidelity-- I know?where I can find a few right now, and they have always
been at that location and the only reason why I have not shot them is
because I wanted to find out if they do indeed exhibit site fidelity.? I do
not like to kill things, especially when it is our fault that they are
here!? In this case however, I am going to make an exception and begin
harvesting lionfish, they are good to eat.? We can only hope that in the
future?people will?realize the possible conseqences of their actions before
they act.? And yes, Florida could be the poster child for invasive/exotic
species-- we have?15 foot pythons roaming the everglades, iguanas are a
common sight?throughout the Keys, along with other reptiles.? Fishes too,
and there are many.? Its a shame that I have to go?out and kill such a
beautiful fish, all because some non-thinking human decided to?discard one
into the Atlantic!?????? 

?
?
?

Rudy S Bonn
Director of Marine Projects
Reef Relief
631 Greene Street
Key West, FL 33040
305-294-3100

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:11:26 -0300
From: "Carla Zilberberg" <carlazilber at yahoo.com.br>
Subject: [Coral-List] looking for paper
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Hello all, 

 

I am looking for a paper which I haven?t been able to find it on the web.
Does anyone has a pdf copy of it? ?Inter- and intra-specific variability in
ribosomal DNA sequence in the internal transcribed spacer region of corals
by M Takabayashi, D Carter, S Ward, O Hoegh-Guldberg Proc Aust Coral Reef
Soc 75th Ann Conf 1998, 241-248.

Thank you in advance,

 

Carla

 

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:20:19 +1000
From: Pim Bongaerts <pim at uq.edu.au>
Subject: [Coral-List] Post-doctoral position available in Brisbane,
	Australia
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 03:29:41 +0100
From: Pete Raines <psr at coralcay.org>
Subject: [Coral-List] Chagos MPA
To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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Dear Listers,

A message from President Allen Vincatassin, Provisional Government of 
Diego Garcia and the Chagos Islands, to the Chagossian Nation regarding 
the Chagos MPA can be found at: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA1VVhDr7qU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL 
(part one of three).

Pete Raines MBE
CEO
Coral Cay Conservation
www.coralcay.org



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 22:35:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Douglas Fenner <douglasfenner at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Lionfish eaten and potential new invaders
	RE:	Frogfish eat lionfish
To: "Tunnell, Wes" <Wes.Tunnell at tamucc.edu>,	Sarah Frias-Torres
	<sfrias_torres at hotmail.com>
Cc: coral list <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>,
	"coralreef-freeforall at yahoogroups.com"
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Thanks, Wes!

???? I think this illustrates why 2 species of Lionfish are just the tip of
the iceberg for this problem, and we can expect more to be introduced to
Florida waters in the future, though hopefully only a portion might be
invasive.
???? I remind that we may have an invasive coral problem.? Tubastraea
coccinea was first reported 1948, and has since spread throughout the
Caribbean, Gulf of Mexico, Bahamas, and to Florida.? That species and a
second Tubastraea have been introduced to Brazil, probably on oil equipment,
and have invaded natural habitats and are rapidly increasing in abundance.?
Recently Paul Sammarco and colleagues published a report that another
Tubastraea species (T. micranthus) is on at least one Gulf oil platform in
the Louisiana area, if I remember. The colonies are already pretty good
size, and the other species start cranking out larvae at pretty small sizes
so they may already be cranking out larvae.? But there were only a
relatively small number of colonies found, the legs were not covered.? Two
out of two species in this genus in West Atlantic waters have proven to be
invasive, I know of no reason to think this one will not be also.? One of
the few
 times you have a fighting chance with introduced or invasive species is
very soon after introduction when populations are still very small.? I would
recommend a program to remove all the known colonies from the platform, as
well as monitor nearby platforms for new settlements of it.? I would imagine
that is it is no minor thing to get to the platforms to do this kind of
thing, the Sammarco group knows how to to it and exactly where they are,
they or someone else needs to remove all the colonies they can find as soon
as is practicable.? Once it gets out of hand, it will be too late.? Also, if
anybody else is diving on any of these platforms and spots it, I would
recommend removing it as soon as possible.

??? One of the recent job ads on coral-list was for a largely terrestrial
organization that has been quite successful at eradicating introduced
species on islands I believe.? So maybe there is some hope, though marine
waters may be more difficult to eradicate introduced or invasive species, I
don't know.? If they are not causing harm, maybe no panic, but can we
guarantee they won't cause changes in the ecosystem once they become
abundant?? Not likely.? The precautionary principle would suggest that if
you have an introduced species, and catch it before it has expanded, don't
let the golden chance get away, remove it, nip it in the bud.? If it isn't
invasive, no harm done, but if it is, you've just dodged a bullet.

??? My 2 cents.?? Cheers,? Doug

?


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From: "Tunnell, Wes" <Wes.Tunnell at tamucc.edu>
To: 'Douglas Fenner' <douglasfenner at yahoo.com>; Sarah Frias-Torres
<sfrias_torres at hotmail.com>
Cc: coral list <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>;
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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Coral-List] Lionfish eaten and potential new invaders RE:
Frogfish eat lionfish

Hi Doug, Sarah et al.,

One of the presenters at the Lion Fish Session during the International
Marine Conservation Conference in Victoria, BC, a few weeks ago related that
over 30 Indo-Pacific fish had been released/found/reported in the Caribbean
region, but only the lion fish had spread widely.

Wes

John W. (Wes) Tunnell, Jr., Ph.D.
Associate Director, Harte Research Institute
for Gulf of Mexico Studies and Harte Research Scientist
Regents Professor and Professor of Biology
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Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 4:04 AM
To: Sarah Frias-Torres
Cc: coral list; coralreef-freeforall at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Lionfish eaten and potential new invaders RE:
Frogfish eat lionfish

Sarah,
???? I thought I remembered some mention somewhere of other Pacific reef
fish being found in Florida waters, like angelfish.? Perhaps these two
species of lionfish are the only species which have established populations
and spread out of several or many that have been released .? That would fit
with the experience in Hawaii, where deliberate introductions of around
20,000 individuals per species of several species were made in the past, and
two took and expanded, one (Lutjanus kasmira) is now the full length of the
chain, 1523 miles long, and without the strong unidirectional currents from
one island to another that characterize parts of the western Atlantic.? My
guess is that there have been other introductions in Florida, and there will
be more introductions in the future.? The best way to deal with invasive
species is not to introduce them in the first place, once they are loose
they are often very difficult or impossible to control, and?
 almost every last one has been impossible to eradicate so far.? A few
people do some pretty crazy things, and I think we would do well to think
and discuss how future introductions that could go wrong could be averted.?
Assuming no one will try to release Pacific species in Florida in the future
seems to me like putting our head in the sand.? How could we possibly know
that no one will do that?? (Florida has over 18 million people)? The
consequences could be pretty bad, could be even worse than lionfish are.?
How can anyone guarantee it will not happen?? Isn't the precautionary
approach to do what we can to forestall future introductions?? Further, this
is not just a problem for Florida.? There are large numbers of marine
species that have been introduced all over the world (most by ships I'd
think), and while a majority have caused no problems so far, quite a few
have caused a lot of problems, and some have caused major problems and cost?
 hundreds of millions of dollars.? It's a problem for all of us. ? ??
Cheers,? Doug


Oda DK, Parrish JD? (1981)? Ecology of commercial snappers and groupers
introduced to Hawaiian reefs.? Proceedings of the Fourth International Coral
Reef Symposium 1: 59-67.




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From: Sarah Frias-Torres <sfrias_torres at hotmail.com>
To: eblume2702 at gmail.com; reefball at reefball.com
Cc: coral list <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>;
coralreef-freeforall at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: [Coral-List] Lionfish eaten and potential new invaders RE: Frogfish
eats lionfish!


Actually, it is indeed a frogfish eating a lionfish!In the original link
provided by Ed Blume
http://www.scubazoo.com/updates/blog/crazy-underwater-animal-behaviour.
You have to go to the video menu bar below and click on "Giant frogfish eats
poisonous lionfish".The lionfish shown there (in aquarium conditions) is, if
I'm not mistaken, a red dwarf fuzzy lionfish (Dendrochirus brachypterus).
They are wildly popular among aquarists because they are very easy to
maintain (even easier than the red lionfish Pterois volitans/miles) The good
news is that if frogfish eat lionfish, then we should add them to the
potential list of lionfish predators in the Atlantic (the list is growing
little by little).The bad news is that, there are many popular lionfish
species among aquarists that go beyond the now Atlantic invader Pterois
volitans/miles.So one is left to wonder if there could be more "unintended
releases" going of other lionfish species, even stronger and more adaptable
than P. volitans I've asked this question before in other forums but I've
been dismissed rather quickly.

Sarah Frias-Torres, Ph.D. Schmidt Ocean Institute Postdoctoral FellowOcean
Research & Conservation Association (ORCA) 1420 Seaway Drive, Fort Pierce,
Florida 34949 USA Tel (772)
467-1600http://www.teamorca.orghttp://independent.academia.edu/SarahFriasTor
res




> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:21:28 -0500
> From: eblume2702 at gmail.com
> To: reefball at reefball.com
> CC: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov; 
> coralreef-freeforall at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Frogfish eats lionfish!
> 
> OMG, you're right!? Since the video was labeled "lionfish" that's what 
> I saw.? I'm embarrassed.
> 
> Ed
> 
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Todd Barber <reefball at reefball.com>
wrote:
> 
> > Sorry Ed...that is not a Lionfish.
> >
> > Thanks,
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Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 04:55:01 -0700
From: <ccmiapplications at reefresearch.org>
Subject: [Coral-List] JOB - Research/Education Summer Intern - CCMI
	Little	Cayman, Cayman Islands
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   CCMI Research/Education Intern Position 2011 
   Little Cayman Research Centre, Cayman Islands

   The  Central Caribbean Marine Institute has an immediate opening for a
   Research and Education Summer Intern to assist with the long-term
assessment
   and monitoring program and the education programme at the Little Cayman
   Research Centre. Fieldwork includes completing reef coral and fish
surveys,
   lionfish density surveys and research on juvenile coral community
structure
   and  assisting  the Scientist in Residence with fieldwork and outreach
   activities.

   We  seek  a well-organized individual who is an excellent communicator
   preferably  with  an  MSc  in  Marine  Science and a dive master level
   certification. The intern should have experience in coral reef research
   protocols, basic underwater photography, and the ability to compile large
   databases.  He/she will have a unique opportunity of gaining field and
lab
   research experience and  working with students.

   The position is a physically demanding position. Summer interns are
required
   to contribute to the day-to-day maintenance, administration, and upkeep
   duties at the research station for 8- 10 hrs per week. The Research and
   Education Intern will be responsible for maintaining the wet and dry
labs.

   Examples of such duties include assisting with breakfast preparations,
   clean-up at the research station, and administrative duties as needed by
the
   CCMI Director of Operations.

   Research Assistant Intern Responsibilities include:

   Research
     * Assist with collecting, processing, and archiving data from the Long
       Term Monitoring Project.
     * Collect  and  process  seawater  samples, measure juvenile corals,
       photograph tagged juvenile corals, and conduct lionfish surveys.

   ??          Complete a Final report of research completed, analyze data,
   compile databases from prior years research.
     * Assist the Director of Operations with maintenance of the Coral Reef
       Early Warning System pylon.


   Research Administration:
     * Gather  results,  papers (pdf format), and posters from all of the
       research completed by resident scientists, visiting scientists, and
       students and ensure this is up to date on the CCMI website and file
       copies in the CCMI File Store.
     * Maintaining lab and field equipment by helping to keep the inventory
up
       to date and materials clean/organized


   Qualifications:
   Intern should have prior relevant experience in coral reef biology
research
   as well as excellent communications and writing skills. The intern should
   have data analysis skills and be capable of working independently on a
small
   remote island. Dive Master Certification preferred.  Hold an MS Degree in
   marine related science.

   Term:
   Beginning  15 June 2011;   6 days/week, full-time.
    
   Compensation:
   Room and Board at the Research Station (shared accommodations) and $250
per
   month stipend.

   Interested candidates should submit a single pdf file with a letter of
   interest  and  a  CV  accompanied  by copies of two references.   Send
   applications    via    email   to   FAO:   Dr   Carrie   Manfrino   at
   [1]ccmiapplications at reefresearch.org.   CCMI  Is  an equal opportunity
   employer, appointments are made regardless of nationality.

   Caribbean Field Station: Little Cayman Research Centre, North Coast Road,
PO
   Box 37, Little Cayman, Cayman Islands,  KY3- 2005.  Manager: Rob Hedges,
   (345) 9948-1094, 321-8732.

   Central Caribbean Marine Institute (CCMI)
   [2]http://www.reefresearch.org
   "Sustaining   marine  biodiversity  through  research,  education  and
   conservation"

References

   1. mailto:ccmiapplications at reefresearch.org
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:51:14 -1000
From: Sam Kahng <samkahng at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] High pCO2 and calcification in the far
	distant past
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Hi John,
 
I just taught a section on this to my bio ocn students. Kump et al. (2009)
is a good introductory reference for the casual reader, however a basic
understanding of carbonate chemistry is required. On geological time scales
(greater than residence time of ocean basins), high atm CO2 is generally
associated with high ocean alkalinity (TA) and proliific coral reef
accretion. The high atm pCO2 causes accelerated terrestrial rock weathering
(basalts and carbonates) which floods the oceans with HCO (raising
alkalinity despite high atm pCO2). The disconnect with the modern scenario
(short-term imbalance) is that weathering feedback and ocean
mixing/equilibration takes a long time. There are many good references that
discuss the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) whiich was the most
recent "rapid" ocean acidification/carbonation event. Its initial and
long-term effects on marine carbonate deposition are fairly well documented
by geochemists. 
  
Kump LR, Bralower TJ, Ridgwell A (2009) Ocean acidification in deep time.
Oceanography 22:94-107
 
Aloha, Sam
 
 
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:11:26 -0400
> From: jware at erols.com
> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> Subject: [Coral-List] High pCO2 and calcification in the far distant past
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> For a long time I have thought, as many of you have, that paleo records 
> of times with high pCO2 would be good analogs for the future effects of 
> high pCO2 on present coral reefs. Unfortunately, I have not found a 
> good reference that looks at available data and then discusses the 
> results in an understandable format. I had thought that the following 
> reference was going to be helpful:
> 
> Doney,SC; Fabry,VJ; Feely,RA; Kleypas,JA (2009): Ocean acidification: 
> the other CO2 problem. Annu. Rev. Mar. Sci. 1, 69-92.
> 
> Unfortunately, this is what I found in that reference: "Periods of high 
> pCO2 (Permian, Cret) exhibit massive shallow-water CaCO3 deposits. 
> Initially this appears to be a conundrum. The short answer is that 
> saturation states may have been high during these periods despite high 
> pCO2. The long answer is complicated." 
> 
> While the above may not be a fully accurate quote, it carries the 
> intent. My problem is that the long and complicated answer is not 
> given. Can anybody out there provide a reference that explains high 
> calcification rates the the far past when (presumably) there were 
> periods of high atmospheric pCO2 but also high calcification rates.
> 
> I note that some authors claim that pCO2 in the Cretaceous could have 
> been in the 1000s (ppmv), and I also realize that the major calcifiers 
> in the late Cretaceous were probably rudists (sort of clams) not corals. 
> But what is out there that I have missed?
> 
> John
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 09:10:29 -0400
From: Robert Sherrell <sherrell at marine.rutgers.edu>
Subject: [Coral-List] Postdoc in coral biogeochemistry at Rutgers
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Thank you.


>  Postdoctoral Fellowship in Coral Biogeochemistry at Rutgers  
> University. Postdoctoral Fellowship available at the Institute of  
> Marine and Coastal Sciences at Rutgers, the State University of New  
> Jersey.  We are seeking a highly motivated researcher to conduct  
> independent and collaborative research related to the application of  
> geochemical proxies, with an emphasis on boron isotopes in corals,  
> for paleoceanographic research.  Preferred fields of experience  
> include: 1) Biomineralization controls on boron isotopes and other  
> proxies of the seawater carbonate system in tropical corals, with an  
> emphasis on controlled laboratory experiments; and 2) The  
> reconstruction of sea surface paleo-pH from live and fossil coral  
> records for testing their response to varying boundary conditions.   
> We seek a scientist who is interested in a mechanistic understanding  
> of the biological and geochemical controls on biomineralization,  
> implications for the reliability of pH proxies and their  
> interpretations in terms of seawater carbonate chemistry.  The  
> position is part of an interdisciplinary NSF-funded project to study  
> ocean acidification effects on coral calcification.  The successful  
> candidate is expected to work pro-actively within a team of  
> researchers (PIs include professors Yair Rosenthal, Rob Sherrell,  
> Paul Falkowski and Oscar Schofield) primarily at Rutgers  
> University.  Our laboratories include two Sector Field-ICPMS  
> instruments, Quadrupole-ICPMS, ICP-OES, laser ablation, access to  
> light isotope MS and U/Th dating (at the Dept of Earth and Planetary  
> Sciences).  The boron isotope analysis will be carried out at NCK  
> University in Taiwan in collaboration with Prof. Chen-Feng You.
>
>            Candidates should have a PhD with experience in coral  
> geochemistry or expertise in biomineralization research.  The  
> appointment is for one year, renewable up to three.  Salary is  
> commensurate with experience.  Send a letter of interest, curriculum  
> vitae and the names and addresses of three references, to Dr. Yair  
> Rosenthal, Institute of Marine and Coastal Sciences, Rutgers The  
> State University of New Jersey, 71 Dudley Rd., New Brunswick, NJ  
> 08901-8521.  Applying by email is encouraged: please send  
> application to rosenthal at marine.rutgers.edu).  For further  
> information please contact Dr. Yair Rosenthal
(rosenthal at marine.rutgers.edu 
> ).
>
> Rutgers is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer.

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