[Coral-List] Paper availability - case of Manicina areolata distribution

shashank Keshavmurthy iamshanky15 at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 10 09:15:58 EDT 2013

Dear Abigail and Coral-Listers

without offending anyone on the matter of the subject of this mail…..

I think many times we do not know how to look for things on the internet..it is powerful with tons of information out there..and if spent time to look for something wisely..i am sure it is possible to get it. I also agree that in very rare cases, I cannot find  a reference or something that I want (much to my frustration)

Time spent for the search for the 2 references mentioned by Dr. Zlatarski - 2 minutes - both were obtained by Google

here is the keywords for my google search results for the 2 papers

Les Scléractiniaires de Cuba avec des données sur la organismes associes

Reef coral identification: Florida, Caribbean, Bahamas

Time spent to look for the information on the species distribution by typing "Manicina areolata distribution" - 1 minute 

here is the keywords for the species search results by google

manicina areolata distribution

and interestingly the 1st hit  I got was Wikipedia Reference - and to quote from Wikipedia, "Manicina areolata, commonly known as rose coral, is a colonial species of stony coral in the family Faviidae. It occurs in shallow water in the West Atlantic Ocean and Caribbean Sea, sometimes as small solid heads and sometimes as unattached cone-shaped forms.

Manicina areolata is found in the Caribbean Sea, the Bahamas and Florida. The massive form is found on reefs attached to rocks but the unattached form is found on areas of broken coral fragments and on sandy or muddy substrates including lagoons and turtle grass (Thalassia testudinum) meadows.[3] The depth range of this coral is from 1 to 65 metres (200 feet).

So please look of something carefully using proper keywords and it will be out there..

Happy hunting!!


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 From: Abigail Moore <abigail2105 at yahoo.com>
To: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov" <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:14 PM
Subject: [Coral-List] Paper availability - case of Manicina areolata distribution

Dear Coral-Listers

when papers are mentionned on coral-list I usually make a point of trying to obtain and read them. I was surprised that the two papers quoted in the somewhat critical posting pasted below seem unfindable on Google (ordinary or scholar) using the name of the species in question and even adding the names of the authors or the papers (though they may be on page nnn... ). It is very likely that the authors of the paper criticised tried hard to find references on the species studied (Manicina areolata) but it seems that they would be very unlikely to come across those two publications except by pure serendipity.

This raises a larger point - there is just so much information and data out there. But despite the wonderful communications technology we all enjoy (even if it can almost drive us mad too when it doesn't work), there is just so much we still cannot access, e.g. because it is only in hard copy (and not where we can get to it) or we don't have the right (or any) subscriptions, or it just isn't listed in the right places (those each of us can access).

I therefore feel very strongly that whenever any of us can help by providing such data/information, we should do so, rather than berating someone for not managing to find it on their own. 

I see that the poster (Dr Vassil Zlarski) is an author of one of 
the papers in question. I therefore humbly suggest that perhaps he/she would like to make it available - perhaps even through the Carmabi site - and let coral-listers know. That would make a very constructive posting, adding to everyone's knowledge. 

Best regards to all concerned and all coral-listers!


Abigail Moore
Sekolah Tinggi Perikanan dan Kelautan (STPL)
Kampus Madani, Jl Soekarno-Hatta
Palu 94118, Sulawesi Tengah

Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 04:19:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: vassil zlatarski <vzlatarski at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Coral-List] Carmabi annual report - Manicina areolata

Mark, for offering access to Carmabi Annual Report and publications..? 
May I pay attention to one published statement.? Meesters, E. H., B.. 
Mueller & M. M. Nugues (*) reported presence of Manicina areolata in
depth of 30-50 m and declared that this species has not been reported 
from such a deep habitat.? This does not correspond to what is well 
known, because three decades ago it was published living in more than 
two dozens deep localities (**) and in a largely used recent book (***) 
for this species is given "Depth: 2 - 200 ft."? I am sure some 
colleagues will have in mind also other examples. One wonders how was 
presented such manuscript for publishing in Coral Reefs.? I tried but 
did not receive answer from the Editor in Chief about who communicated 
the mentioned Reef site.

(*) Meesters, E. H., B. Mueller, M. M. Nugues. 2012. Caribbean free-living coral species co-occurring deep off
the windward coast of Curacao. Coral Reefs, DOI
10.1007/s00338-012-0960-6 or Coral Reefs (2013) 32: 109. 
(**)Zlatarski, V. N., MartinezEstalella. 1982. Les Scl?ractiniares de
Cuba avec des donn?es sur la organismes associ?s. Edit. Acad?mie bulgare des Sciences, Sofia, 472
p., annexe 1.????????  
(***) Humann, P.., N. Deloach. 2006. Reef coral identification: Florida, Caribbean, Bahamas..? New World Publications, 287 p.



Vassil Zlatarski
D.Sc. (Biology), Ph.D. (Geology)
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