[Coral-List] Carmabi annual report - Manicina areolata distribution

Tue Jun 11 15:04:38 EDT 2013

I appeal to all coral scientists working on species from the Caribbean to
get their hands on a copy of

Zlatarski, V. N. and N. M. Estalella. 1982. Les Scléractiniaires de Cuba.
Editions de l’Académie

Bulgare des Sciences, Sofia, Bulgaria. 453 p.

While now a little dated - this treatise is spectacular.  It is especially
useful when used in conjunction with the most popular coral ID books and
websites.

I photocopied my personal copy from the University of Miami library years
ago and it was worth every dime!

Bill Precht

Miami, FL

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:56 AM, vassil zlatarski <vzlatarski at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Dear Erik,
>
> Your reaction is amazing and I appeal to respect this forum.  The Editor
> in Chief recognized your mistake.  Your published text may cause not only
> some confusion.  It is not misleading, it is unquestionably wrong.  Please
> note that even your
>  published words "None of these species has been reported from such a deep
> habitat" are quoted in your following email in different wording.  After
> your erroneous declaration you published "M[anicina]. areolata has been
> described in shallow sandy areas in Curacao by Roos (1971)", followed by
> the distribution of
>  the species outside Curacao: "It was reported in seagrass beds and on
> sandy and rubble areas on the reef down to 20 m in Jamaica (Goreau and
> Goreau 1960) and in seagrass flats and mangrove-associated communities in
> the San Blas Archipelago, northern Panama (Johnson 1992)."  This is all you
> give for the distribution of M. areolata and there is nothing to support
> your opening statement of the email below.  Neither your References offer
> anything more.  By the way, by reporting only two species it is not
> correct  to pretend "this is the first documented multi-species assemblage
> ..."
>
>
> I do not doubt that you know well the masterpiece illustrated book of
> Humann and do not understand why you ignore it.
>
> So much about
>  English used for your
>  paper.
>
> I share your doubt that French is 'largely used' today but let me go back
> half a century.  As a student I expressed desire to study fossils and my
> professor asked me about usage of foreign language because my native
> Bulgarian was not enough for the paleontological literature.  My answer
> "German" determined to work with extinct corals.  Soon became clear that
> the most advanced coral investigations are realized by the Paris coral
> school and I had quickly to begin using French.  The book was written when
> French methodology and terminology were leading.  It turned out that
> Russian was also necessary.  Later, working in Caribbean I enjoyed Spanish
> and finally, when the age did not favor new languages I had to struggle
> with English.  So, many times necessity to obtain coral information and
> experience determined which language to be used.  Originally, the
> scientific publications were in Latin. Many
>  classical natural history publications with the original descriptions of
> new species were in French, German and other languages. Paleontologists
> always need foreign languages.  No need to mention that during our study of
> extant corals we have to learn and know about their fossil antecedents.
> But let me return to the mentioned by you book in French - you do not need
> French for your purpose because the maps, figures, plates and the Latin
> species name are more than enough.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vassil Zlatarski
>
> PS  I expressed my gratitude for your papers and requested additional PDFs
> in my email from May 1, however, did not receive any answer or paper.
>
> 131 Fales Rd., Bristol, RI 02809, USA;  tel.: +1-401-254-5121
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: "Meesters, Erik" <erik.meesters at wur.nl>
> To: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov" <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Carmabi annual report - Manicina areolata
> distribution
>
>
> Dear Vassil,
>
> Manicina areolata is well known to occur in deep localities, but, as the
> title mentions, BOTH Caribbean free-living species CO-OCCURING in such a
> deep habitat was unknown. For Meandrina danae it was not known at all to
> occur at such depths. The sentence 'None of these species were known to
> occur in such deep habitat.' is referring to Curacao, and may have caused
> some confusion. I'd love to get your publication, but I doubt that French
> is 'largely used' in the scientific coral reef community.
>
> Best, Erik
>
> Ps. I hope you enjoyed all the papers that I've send you at your request.
> Ps 2. I believe that Mark was the editor for the reef site :)
>
>
> -------- Message original --------
> Sujet:
> [Coral-List] Carmabi annual report - Manicina areolata distribution
> Date :
> Fri, 7 Jun 2013 04:19:36
>  -0700 (PDT)
> De :
> vassil zlatarski <vzlatarski at yahoo.com>
> Répondre à :
> vassil zlatarski <vzlatarski at yahoo.com>
> Pour :
> Coral -List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
>
> Thanks, Mark, for offering access to Carmabi Annual Report and
> publications...  May I pay attention to one published statement.  Meesters,
> E. H., B.. Mueller & M. M. Nugues (*) reported presence of Manicina
> areolata in depth of 30-50 m and declared that this species has not been
> reported from such a deep habitat.  This does not correspond to what is
> well known,
>  because three decades ago it was published living in more than two dozens
> deep localities (**) and
>  in a largely used recent book (***) for this species is given "Depth: 2 -
> 200 ft."  I am sure some colleagues will have in mind also other examples..
> One wonders how was presented such manuscript for publishing in Coral
> Reefs.  I tried but did not receive answer from the Editor in Chief about
> who communicated the mentioned Reef site.
>
>
> (*) Meesters, E. H., B. Mueller, M. M. Nugues. 2012. Caribbean free-living
> coral species co-occurring deep off
> the windward coast of Curacao. Coral Reefs, DOI
> 10.1007/s00338-012-0960-6 or Coral Reefs (2013) 32: 109.
> (**)Zlatarski, V. N., MartinezEstalella. 1982. Les Scléractiniares de
> Cuba avec des données sur la organismes associés. Edit. Académie bulgare
> des Sciences, Sofia, 472
> p., annexe 1.
> (***) Humann, P.., N. Deloach. 2006. Reef coral identification: Florida,
> Caribbean, Bahamas..  New World Publications, 287
>  p.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vassil
>
> Vassil Zlatarski
> D.Sc. (Biology), Ph.D. (Geology)
>
> 131 Fales Rd., Bristol, RI 02809, USA;  tel.: +1-401-254-5121
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mark Vermeij <carmabilog at gmail.com>
> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 5:02 PM
> Subject: [Coral-List] Carmabi annual report and new labs opened
>
>
> Dear all
>
> For those of you that are curious to know more about Carmabi and how the
> station could be helpful to you, it is my pleasure to direct you to our
> Carmabi Annual  Report 2012. You will find a fairly comprehensive overview
> of activities and projects that were done in 2012.
>  You can  take a look at
> the annual report by clicking on
>  the following link:
>
> http://www.researchstationcarmabi.org/
>
> You'll find a link to the annual report under "publications" on the black
> main navigation bar.
>
> I would also like to invite you to have a look at the new lab that was
> recently  completed. These new facilities will be available to the research
> community. An impression of the new facilities and work progress can be
> found by clicking on the link
> http://www.researchstationcarmabi.org/new-lab
>
> Please contact me (at carmabilog at gmail.com) if you require more details
> or have any questions.
>
> Tropical regards
>
> Mark
>
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