[Coral-List] Prioritizing impacts to coral reefs

[Steve Mussman]

   Magnus,


   Absolutely the same degree of skepticism should be applied, but the sources
   of the money are becoming more difficult to trace as this recent article in
   Scientific American points out.


   [1]http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-money-changes-climate-debat
   e/


   As for Gene's post, the messenger's source is fair game as are the paper's
   conclusions.  The references do appear to be legitimate, but that says
   nothing about how they were interpreted. I doubt you would find many of the
   authors cited supporting The Science and Public Policy Institute's overall
   findings. Not only does this organization claim that corals will function
   well despite increasing ocean acidification, but they also claim in another
   paper that echinoderms flourish under similar changes in ocean conditions. I
   haven't read every paper published on these topics, but these views appear
   to  me  to  be misrepresenting  the facts. Since a number of those who
   contributed to the references cited are coral-listers, perhaps they could
   help me to more clearly determine who is being deceived by the meticulously
   shrouded  trail  of money that's becoming ever so difficult to follow.
   Steve
   -----Original Message-----
   >From: Magnus Johnson
   >Sent: Apr 22, 2014 1:36 PM
   >To: Richard Plate , Eugene Shinn
   >Cc: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov"
   >Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Prioritizing impacts to coral reefs
   >
   >Fair point Richard,
   >
   >Can we have the same degree of scepticism applied to anyone or any projects
   funded by Pew? Follow the money.
   >
   >cheers, Magnus
   >________________________________________
   >From:                         coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa..gov
   [coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml..noaa.gov]  on  behalf of Richard Plate
   [richarp33 at gmail.com]
   >Sent: 22 April 2014 13:37
   >To: Eugene Shinn
   >Cc: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
   >Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Prioritizing impacts to coral reefs
   >
   >Gene,
   >
   >This run of highly questionable sources you are posting to the list is
   >puzzling.
   >
   >Craig Idso (the founder and Chairman of the Center for the Study of Carbon
   >Dioxide and Global Change) is lead author on the NIPCC reports by the
   >Heartland Institute. I've already posted to this list about their
   >questionable findings across multiple topics, and several others on the
   >list have pointed out their financial ties to the fossil fuel industry.
   >Here's a link to Craig Idso's other positions regarding climate change:
   >http://www.co2science.org/about/position/globalwarming.php
   >
   >I'll leave it up to those curious about this source to identify for
   >themselves which of Idso's claims is most egregiously unscientific. My
   >favorite is the "Elevated levels of atmospheric CO2 will be a boon to the
   >biosphere" claim. (The science against that claim is explained thoroughly
   >here: https://www.skepticalscience.com/carbon-fertilization-effect..html)
   >
   >Gene, since you have not directly addressed any of the several postings to
   >this list that have pointed out the dubious practices and conclusions of
   >the Heartland Institute, it is difficult to understand how you see that
   >organization or the Center for the Study of CO2 and Global Change as
   >legitimate sources.
   >
   >I am sincerely curious how you come to that conclusion.
   >
   >-Richard
   >
   >
   >On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Eugene Shinn wrote:
   >
   >> Thanks Nicole, You are probably correct. And of course now at the same
   >> time we also have lion fish eating the juveniles...and a lot of fishing
   >> going on for the adults. I came across this interesting document..
   >> Remember I am just the messenger but the references look to be
   >> legitimate. Gene
   >>
   >>
   http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/corals_aci
   dification.pdf
   >>
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References

   1. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-money-changes-climate-debate/