[Coral-List] Fwd: Climate Change

Douglas Fenner douglasfennertassi at gmail.com
Sun Jun 21 05:47:05 EDT 2015

    The first website you quote is by Roy Spencer.  Wikipedia has an
article about him and what he has done, published, said, etc.  There is
quite a bit of back and forth, and it would be hard to summarize, though he
published a paper in a peer reviewed journal that said that more heat is
radiated to space than the mainstream thinks.  He also has lost his belief
in evolution, and now believes in intelligent design.  Wikipedia had this
to say about his paper on heat radiated to space:
  "The editor-in-chief of *Remote Sensing*, Wolfgang Wagner, later resigned
over publication of Spencer and Braswell (2011),[21]
"From a purely formal point of view, there were no errors with the review
process. [...] the problem I see with the paper by Spencer and Braswell is
not that it declared a minority view ...but that it essentially ignored the
scientific arguments of its opponents. This latter point was missed in the
review process, explaining why I perceive this paper to be fundamentally
flawed and therefore wrongly accepted by the journal."[22]
added he, "would also like to personally protest against how the authors
and like-minded climate sceptics have much exaggerated the paper's
conclusions in public statements".[21]
 Spencer is adamant that the paper did address the arguments of his
opponents.  Wikipedia also writes that:  "Andrew Dessler
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Dessler> later published a paper
opposing the claims of Spencer and Braswell (2011) in *Geophysical Research
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(scientist)#cite_note-24> He
stated, among other things:

First, [they] analyzed 14 models, but they plotted only six models and the
particular observational data set that provided maximum support for their
hypothesis. Plotting all of the models and all of the data provide a much
different conclusion."

    Yes, the second blog site you quote is by Anthony Watts, who is indeed
a well known climate blogger and denier.  He was a TV weatherman and now is
on radio, so he's knows something about weather.  There are several
meteorologists who write about how they think climate change is not
happening, humans don't cause any of it if it is, and it is all a big
hoax.  Some scientists have pointed out that climate is not the same thing
as weather, and TV weathermen aren't always the most qualified experts on
the subject of climate change.
    The Wikipedia page on Anthony Watts (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)) says at one point
that "Climatologist Michael E. Mann
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._Mann> states that Watts' blog has
"overtaken *Climate Audit <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Audit>* as
the leading climate change denial
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial> blog".[5
"  High praise indeed.  It also says that "Curtis Brainard
written that "scientists have repeatedly criticized [Watts] for misleading
readers on subjects such as the reliability of the U.S. surface temperature
 There's also a paragraph detailing Watts' connection with the Heartland
Institute, a well known denier organization that is active in promoting
climate denial.  Isn't it funded by the fossil fuel industry?  Or is it
successful at keeping its funding sources secret?  I forgot.
   But the article you point to that is on Watts' website wasn't actually
written by Watts, it was written by Patrick J. Michaels, who actually IS a
climate scientist, who HAS published in peer-reviewed journals, and,
according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Michaels),
many books (books are not peer-reviewed), and almost all of those were
published by the Cato Institute, a right wing think tank.  The Wikipedia
article points out that Michaels says that the earth is warming, but less
than the IPCC reports.  It also says that "The World Climate Report
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Climate_Report>, a newsletter edited
by Michaels was first published by the Greening Earth Society
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greening_Earth_Society>, a public relations
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations> organization.[17]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Michaels#cite_note-18> Greening
Earth Society was funded and controlled by the Western Fuels Association
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Fuels_Association> (WFA), an
association of coal-burning utility companies.[19]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Michaels#cite_note-19>"  He also was
one of hundreds of scientific reviewers of the 2007 IPCC report.  Also,
Wikipedia says "Michaels acknowledged on CNN that 40 per cent of his
funding came from the oil industry.[39]
"  (Wikipedia references these statements, so anyone can look up the
original sources).  Wikipeda also says "John Holdren
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Michaels#cite_note-28> told the U.S.
Senate <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Senate> Republican
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)> Policy
Committee in June 2003, "Michaels is another of the handful of U.S.
climate-change contrarians … He has published little if anything of
distinction in the professional literature, being noted rather for his
shrill op-ed pieces and indiscriminate denunciations of virtually every
finding of mainstream climate science."[29]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Michaels#cite_note-29>"  Also, "Climate
scientist Tom Wigley <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Wigley>,[33]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Michaels#cite_note-33> a lead author
of parts of the report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
has stated that "Michaels' statements on the subject of computer models
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_climate_model> are a catalog of
misrepresentation and misinterpretation … Many of the supposedly factual
statements made in Michaels' testimony are either inaccurate or are
seriously misleading."[34]
      Always good to know who's talking and who's paying for it.  Gene
always says "follow the money."  So I'm taking his advice.
      We'll write about the article itself in another post.
Cheers,  Doug

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Eugene Shinn <eugeneshinn at mail.usf.edu>

> Below list readers can find data relating to the contentious 18 year
> warming pause. The data from the University of Alabama obtained by
> satellites that to my knowledge has not been "adjusted" to remove the
> pause. As near as I can tell there is no Washington politics involved in
> this data. Nevertheless I suspect die hard warmest will find some reason
> to reject the data.
> The second website is a discussion of the Alabama data by a well known
> climate blogger.Gene
> http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
> http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/29/when-will-climate-scientists-say-they-were-wrong/
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Douglas Fenner
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Pago Pago, American Samoa 96799  USA

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"belief in climate change is optional, participation is not."

Much-touted global warming pause never happened.


Has global warming taken a rest?  Not so fast, study suggests.  (check out
the graph)


Climate change deniers love to talk about a recent "pause" in global
warming.  A new study says it didn't happen.


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