[Coral-List] The Irony of the Pope's science - is it's selectivity.

Nicole Morgan nbmorgan11 at gmail.com
Fri Jun 26 09:08:59 EDT 2015

Thank you all for bringing up such interesting points on drivers of climate
change that we as a planet could address.  Over-population is something I
consider a huge problem, but at the same time I feel our conversation is
forgetting the ethical issues around family-planning laws. China has indeed
drastically slowed it's growth, but now also has a huge gender imbalance
due to the cultural desire for boys over girls.

I would expect similar issues to occur in India should strict laws be
enacted,and perhaps see further human-rights issues occur if laws that
remove citizenship from third-born children and on are enacted.

I often hear about coral scientists wanting to influence policy in order to
help protect what little healthy reef is left, and I have read numerous
attempt by scientists in this list to incorporate islanders into the reef
management because they are dependent on fishing those reefs. Just because
India and China are large, developing nations does not mean we should not
ensure the people are considered when creating climate policies.  Let's not
forget these issues when we talk about population control as a means of
reducing carbon emissions.

Nicole Morgan

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Most certainly population growth is an issue that needs to be addressed,
> but let's not lose sight of the fact that Roman Catholics account for less
> than 17% of the world's population and don't appear to stand out when
> comparing countries by population growth rates. It looks like the problem
> would persist even if the pope commanded every one of his followers to use
> birth control and limit family size. You are correct to point out that
> these are not simple issues, but give credit where credit is due. Pope
> Francis boldly took on climate change, the state of the world's oceans and
> the degradation of coral reefs in his recent encyclical. There may be more
> than one
> elephant in the room, but sometimes it's best to take them on one (or a
> few) at a time.
> Regards,
> Steve
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Jun 25, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Durwood M. Dugger <ddugger at biocepts.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > While I would agree that it is ironic that the Pope is seemingly
> embracing science - I think the irony is his selectivity in the science he
> embraces. He still leads a major religion that doesn’t support birth
> control and or a woman’s right to control her reproductive destiny. This is
> hypocrisy at its worst - lecturing the world on climate change and
> environmental degradation (Did he forget to mention critical resource
> depletion conflicts - also known as war?) all the while enabling,
> encouraging - if not demanding unlimited population growth. Over population
> is the primary cause of all anthropogenic climate change, environmental
> degradation and resource conflicts. Perhaps neither climate science nor the
> world of political (includes religion) manipulation are as simple as many
> of you seem to think.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Durwood M. Dugger, Pres.
> > ddugger at biocepts.com <mailto:ddugger at biocepts.com>
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