[Coral-List] Personal Care Product Pollution and its Threat to Coral Reefs

Eugene Shinn eugeneshinn at mail.usf.edu
Tue May 17 12:03:48 EDT 2016


Thank  You Billy for clearing up those detains about the Keys 
Sanctuaries. Gene

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>     1. Re: Personal Care Product Pollution and its Threat	to	Coral,
>        Reefs (Melbourne Briscoe)
>     2. Re: Reef scientists benefit from global change? (Douglas Fenner)
>     3. Re: Personal Care Product Pollution and its Threat	to	Coral,
>        Reefs (Martin Moe)
>     4. Recognition for Coral-List (Vassil Zlatarski)
>     5. Re: Personal Care Product Pollution and its Threat	to	Coral,
>        Reefs (Martin Moe)
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> Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 19:17:40 -0400
> From: "Melbourne Briscoe" <Mel at briscoe.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Personal Care Product Pollution and its
> 	Threat	to	Coral, Reefs
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> LOL!
> It is amazing how historical facts can be twisted, given one's own filters and bias and experiences and memories.
> It is also sad how guesses and assumptions and speculations and misinformation turn into conspiracy theories.
>
> There is nothing here.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov] On Behalf Of Eugene Shinn
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 14:22
> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> Subject: [Coral-List] Personal Care Product Pollution and its Threat to Coral, Reefs
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> I agree with some of what you said, Billy.
>
> <snip>
>
> So back to the original issue, which was, does the DOC have control over the Sanctuary Program? Of course there is no readily available paper trail. Also, no sane person bites the hand that feeds him. Let?s just say one can rightly remain suspicious.
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> Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 21:15:24 -1100
> From: Douglas Fenner <douglasfennertassi at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Reef scientists benefit from global change?
> To: Eugene Shinn <eugeneshinn at mail.usf.edu>
> Cc: coral list <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
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> Gene,
>     Where did I write "money and ego drives just about everything humans
> do."  Those are your words and ideas, not mine.
>
>       Are you saying that firemen are greedy and egotistical because they
> are paid to protect society from damaging fires? Are police greedy and
> egotistical because they get paid to protect society from crime?  Are reef
> scientists greedy and egotistical if they are paid by society to try to
> protect reefs that provide ecosystem services to people?  Are you saying
> that since they get paid, that makes them greedy and egotistical and that's
> why they do their jobs?  Would it be fair to ask them to do it all for
> free?  I assume you?ve been paid for your scientific work, isn't that fair?
>
>       Actually, I'm old enough I can remember when there were a variety of
> things that were known to threaten coral reefs, but climate change or
> global warming was not yet recognized to threaten coral reefs.  I think
> coral reef scientists were drawn to those things because of an interest in
> how the threats work and what we could do about them.  That was well before
> climate change became a big issue.  There are still many reef scientists
> and managers working on threats to reefs other than climate change or
> global warming, and most of their work is funded.  There are many things
> that threaten reefs other than climate change, including African dust and
> sunscreens.  You're well known for contributing to the knowledge of the
> threat of  African dust, and deservedly so.  I don't put that down to
> greed, I put it down to good science, which you are well known for.
>
>      Cheers,  Doug
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 5:01 AM, Eugene Shinn <eugeneshinn at mail.usf.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks David. I had no idea what this organization was about. I do not
>> surf these things up.  I just read stuff people send me and make my own
>> decision about their substance. In this case  I have been seeing
>> retractions in SCIENCE on a regular basis for several years. And yes
>> they are usually in the sociology and medical fields. The names of the
>> authors of rejected articles also tells you a lot. Nevertheless I think
>> everyone can agree that the whole climate thing has led to an abundance
>> of funding for coral reef scientists (mainly biologists). Before climate
>> became an issue (as any reef researcher over 50 can remember) funding
>> was scarce.  As Doug Fenner has pointed out,(in many words) money and
>> ego drives just about everything humans do. Its always good to remember:
>> "its often difficult to separate good motives from bad motives" Gene
>>
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