[Coral-List] New paper on the dispersal (or lack of) of coral larvae across the East Pacific Barrier

Wed Oct 12 11:05:45 EDT 2016

Yes I agree Héctor. It was absolutely not our intention to generalise our
results to other organisms and/or time periods, in fact quite the opposite,
so I'm glad you have clarified this to the Coral List readers. Perhaps all
we can do is keep testing the theory for other organisms, and as new
oceanographic data comes out covering longer time periods. Unfortunately,
this work represented a significant computational effort and over 4 years
of work, so it was just not feasible to repeat the study for other
organisms (for example travelling deeper in the water column), but we will
keep working on it if funds permit. As you say it is always a work in
progress!

Regarding a higher likelihood of dispersal from east to west, one of the
major limitations of the model is that we 'spawn' coral all year round, as
we don't have spawning data for many of the eastern Pacific reef locations.
Many of the connections suggested by the model are therefore likely not to
be realised by actual coral species, even without all the other issues re
environmental conditions and ecological factors that you point out. Again,
this is something that we are hoping to keep working on.

Saludos,
Sally

*Dr Sally Wood  *

School of Earth Sciences, University of Bristol
Wills Memorial Building, Queens Road, BRISTOL BS8 1RJ
+44 (0)117 954 5429 | w: salwood.weebly.com | t: @SalWood82
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On 12 October 2016 at 15:25, Héctor Reyes Bonilla <hreyes at uabcs.mx> wrote:

> saludos a todos.
>
> I completely agree with sally and iliana´s arguments, and understand
> that the time scale is not the same ("only" decades in your case, vs
> hundreds or maybe thousands of years when thinking biogeographically).
> Also, the findings in their recent paper evidence that colonization to
> the americas is rare except in specific years, and that is something
> that peter glynn, myself and others have mentioned "between lines" as
> a working hypothesis in  several papers. it is great that ypur
> research group have tested the hypothesis, and it passed.
>
> The problem I saw (and after receiving several emails from colleagues,
> others detected it too), is that in the abstract and in some sections
> of the paper it appears that the idea is to generalize the mechanism,
> even when (as many of you well know) there is a lot of evidence
> showing that many species have traveled across the east pacific
> barrier, and even maintain an adequate gene flow to avoid speciation
> (acanthaster, urchins, fishes..).
>
> Maybe the thing is that although a biogeographer can understand all
> the limitations of the method and know the general perspective, for an
> ecologist the message may be: "the east pacific is isolated". and that
> is what many of us wants to avoid, and thus the reason for my comment.
>
> from all this, I believe that the next question now is: why if flow
> favors larval movement to the west, american faunas have not yet
> "invaded" the central pacific? is it a matter of differences in
> environmental conditions between the center and the east, and then of
> ecological niche? pelagic larval duration? competition? or maybe just
> a phylogenetic pattern (for example, in the case of corals the
> agariciidae and poritidae are very good crossing oceans, but
> acroporidae, faviidae et al do not.). that is the good thing about
> doing science. the problem never ends...
>
> Hector Reyes
>
>
>
>
> 2016-10-12 5:14 GMT-06:00 Sally Wood <Sally.Wood at bristol.ac.uk>:
> > Dear Hector and Dennis, many thanks for your interest and comments. I am
> > replying to both your emails at the same time as I think they relate to
> the
> > same issue.
> >
> > Hector, I'm sorry that you feel we have "overlooked the work of so many
> > people" in this paper, but this seems to be a misunderstanding of the
> focus
> > of the paper. Of course, taxonomy, biogeography and genetics are
> critical in
> > answering this longer term question of how eastern Pacific corals came
> to be
> > there in the first place*.
> >
> > Instead, however, in our study we examined dispersal over recent time
> scales
> > (1997-2011) only, with the aim of determining whether larval dispersal
> from
> > the central Pacific may have aided the recovery of eastern Pacific coral
> > populations following the 1997-98 El Niño. We looked at dispersal over a
> > range of ENSO conditions, including La Niña and neutral conditions, and
> > found no eastward connections at any time over the period modelled.
> >
> > We cannot rule out that eastward connections may not have been made over
> > previous (say the 1982-83 El Niño or further back) or more recent
> events. In
> > fact, one of the main findings of the study is that modelled larvae did
> come
> > close to making connections from the west to east in 1997, but subtle
> > details of the surface circulation meant that such connections were
> > 'narrowly' missed.
> >
> > Regarding the "hundreds of Indo Pacific species that live... in the
> coast of
> > the Americas" - I would like to clarify that we only modelled broadcast
> > spawning coral larvae in this study (of which only a small number of
> > Indo-Pacific species are found in the eastern Pacific). For other
> species,
> > such as fish, whose larvae may travel deeper in the water column or have
> > different swimming capabilities, the results may well have been very
> > different.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Sally
> >
> > *Regarding this question, this recent genetics paper Micheal Hellberg et
> al.
> > may be more appropriate - it discusses the timing and direction of first
> > colonisation of Porites sp into the eastern Pacific, suggesting initial
> > colonisation was west to east: Hellberg, M. E., Prada, C., Tan, M. H.,
> > Forsman, Z. H. and Baums, I. B. (2016), Getting a grip at the edge:
> > recolonization and introgression in eastern Pacific Porites corals. J.
> > Biogeogr.. doi:10.1111/jbi.12792.
> >
> >
> > Dr Sally Wood
> >
> > School of Earth Sciences, University of Bristol
> > Wills Memorial Building, Queens Road, BRISTOL BS8 1RJ
> > +44 (0)117 954 5429 | w: salwood.weebly.com | t: @SalWood82
> >
> > On 7 October 2016 at 17:21, Héctor Reyes Bonilla <hreyes at uabcs.mx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The paper is great, but I have a simple question (that I discussed
> >> with Iliana, Peter Glynn and others in the last ICRS). How the
> >> mechanism explain the hundreds of Indo Pacific species that live happy
> >> and healthy in the coast of the Americas, while less than a dozen have
> >> moved in the opposite direction? El Niño can explain one part of the
> >> facts, but the other half? The anti-El Niño? (sadly called "La NIña",
> >> which makes no sense in Spanish).
> >>
> >> Just a remainder: taxonomy and old fashioned biogeography still
> >> counts, and have to be considered and improved with the excellent new
> >> tools and perspectives of the researchers. To overlook the work of so
> >> many people from the XIX and XX Century is not a good policy.
> >>
> >> Hector Reyes
> >>
> >> 2016-10-05 11:57 GMT-06:00 Dennis Hubbard <dennis.hubbard at oberlin.edu>:
> >> > A very interesting paper. My simplistic understanding of this
> previously
> >> > was that the Isthmus of Panama created a barrier between Caribbean and
> >> > Pacific regions and that larval flow was dominantly (perhaps solely)
> >> > from
> >> > east-to-west in the Trade Winds. This would seem to be consistent with
> >> > these new findings. I was not aware that there was a lot of thought of
> >> > westward flow into this area, although the eastward flow of larvae
> from
> >> > the
> >> > Tuamotus to Easter Island seems reasonably well documented.
> >> >
> >> > Might there be any value in looking at the development of the species
> of
> >> > interest following the closure of the Isthmus of Panama to see whether
> >> > those furthest east (which, if my recollection of the literature is
> >> > correct, were the first to be impacted - Peter Glynn's papers) might
> >> > have
> >> > been the original sources of larvae to the west way back when? If so,
> >> > might
> >> > this infer that recent events are "unprecedented" over the past 2
> >> > million
> >> > years?
> >> > Dennis
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Sally Wood <Sally.Wood at bristol.ac.uk>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> A bit late but some of you might be interested in a new paper
> published
> >> >> in
> >> >> Nature Communications in August, which revisits the theory that El
> Niño
> >> >> events may promote long distance dispersal across the East Pacific
> >> >> Barrier:
> >> >>
> >> >> El Niño and coral larval dispersal across the Eastern Pacific marine
> >> >> Barrier
> >> >> <http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms12571>, Wood, S., Baums, I.B.,
> >> >> Paris,
> >> >> C.B., Ridgwell, A., Kessler, W.S., Hendy, E.J., Nature
> Communications
> >> >> 7:12571 (2016).
> >> >>
> >> >> The study, which compares a modelling approach with genetic data
> across
> >> >> the
> >> >> Pacific, is a collaboration between the University of Bristol's Coral
> >> >> Reef
> >> >> research group, the Paris laboratory at RSMAS and the Baums
> laboratory
> >> >> at
> >> >> Penn State, with input from oceanographer Billy Kessler at NOAA's
> >> >> Pacific
> >> >> Marine Environmental Laboratory and climatologist Andy Ridgwell at
> the
> >> >> University of California at Riverside.
> >> >>
> >> >> The press release (printed below) can be viewed here
> >> >> <http://www.bris.ac.uk/news/2016/august/reef-castaways.html>, and
> the
> >> >> full
> >> >> paper obtained here <http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms12571>. An
> >> >> animation of example modelled dispersal paths by month of release can
> >> >> be
> >> >> viewed here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzuPcBTq5c>.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> *---------- U. Bristol press release 23rd Aug 2016 -----------*
> >> >>
> >> >> *Reef castaways: Can coral make it across Darwin’s ‘impassable’
> >> >> barrier?*
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> An international team of researchers have shown that vulnerable coral
> >> >> populations in the eastern tropical Pacific have been completely
> >> >> isolated
> >> >> from the rest of the Pacific Ocean for at least the past two decades.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Ocean currents can change speed and even direction depending on the
> >> >> season
> >> >> or climatic events like El Niño.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The new study led by University of Bristol researchers has used a
> >> >> state-of-the-art computer model to trace the journeys of coral larvae
> >> >> transported at the whim of these currents.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The international team discovered that even during the
> record-breaking
> >> >> El
> >> >> Niño of 1998, coral larvae could not survive long enough to make the
> >> >> 5,000
> >> >> km trip from reefs in the central Pacific to those in the east.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> These findings support the opinion of Charles Darwin, who considered
> >> >> this
> >> >> intimidating expanse of open ocean ‘impassable’ - countering recent
> >> >> arguments that the ‘East Pacific Barrier’ must be breachable since
> the
> >> >> same
> >> >> coral species are found on both sides. If so, the study argues, such
> >> >> breaches have not occurred recently.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dr Sally Wood
> >> >> <http://www.bristol.ac.uk/earthsciences/people/person/
> >> >> sally-wood/overview.html>,
> >> >> from the Coral Reef Research at Bristol
> >> >> <http://www.bristol.ac.uk/biology/research/ecological/coral/> (CRAB)
> >> >> group
> >> >> in the School of Earth Sciences
> >> >> <http://www.bristol.ac.uk/earthsciences/>
> >> >> and lead author of the paper, explains: “Coral build the framework of
> >> >> tropical coral reefs, creating habitats which support one of the most
> >> >> diverse ecosystems on Earth.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> “Whether coral reefs can survive the pressure of climate change as
> well
> >> >> as
> >> >> local stresses will depend to a large extent on the ability of coral
> to
> >> >> reproduce and disperse; to replenish damaged populations, migrate
> from
> >> >> deteriorating conditions and colonise new frontiers. So it’s
> important
> >> >> to
> >> >> map where coral are able to get to.”
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dr Erica Hendy
> >> >> <http://www.bristol.ac.uk/earthsciences/people/person/
> >> >> erica-hendy/overview.html>,
> >> >> Lecturer in Biogeochemical Cycles in the School of Earth Sciences,
> >> >> added:
> >> >> “However, you simply can’t tag a coral larvae to follow where it ends
> >> >> up as
> >> >> you would a large marine animal like a turtle or shark. Coral larvae
> >> >> are
> >> >> smaller than a poppy seed, soft-bodied and released in overwhelming
> >> >> numbers.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> “When swept off their home reef, they have an infinitesimally small
> >> >> chance
> >> >> of ever reaching a suitable place to settle and become a coral
> colony.
> >> >> We
> >> >> therefore use computer simulations to answer these critical questions
> >> >> about
> >> >> coral biology and conservation.”
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The study tracked the journeys of over five billion model ‘larvae’
> from
> >> >> 636
> >> >> remote reefs scattered across the central and eastern Pacific Ocean
> >> >> over a
> >> >> 14 and a half year period. Using the state-of-the-art Connectivity
> >> >> Modeling
> >> >> System <https://github.com/beatrixparis/connectivity-modeling-system
> >,
> >> >> developed by Claire Paris
> >> >>
> >> >> <https://www.rsmas.miami.edu/people/faculty-index/?p=
> claire-paris-limouzy
> >> >> >,
> >> >> associate professor of ocean sciences at the University of Miami’s
> >> >> Rosenstiel
> >> >> School of Marine and Atmospheric Science
> >> >>
> >> >> <https://www.rsmas.miami.edu/people/faculty-index/?p=
> claire-paris-limouzy>
> >> >> and run on the University of Bristol’s BlueCrystal supercomputer
> >> >> <https://www.acrc.bris.ac.uk/>, the researchers could manage the
> >> >> massive
> >> >> computational demands of modelling such large numbers.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> This allowed the team to test, for the first time, a long-standing
> >> >> theory
> >> >> that countered Darwin - that El Niño events promote long-distance
> >> >> dispersal
> >> >> of coral larvae across the Pacific Ocean.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The results showed that the eastern Pacific corals (from Baja
> >> >> California in
> >> >> the north to the coastline of Ecuador and the Galapagos Islands in
> the
> >> >> south) have been completely cut off from the rest of the Pacific
> since
> >> >> at
> >> >> least the 1998 El Niño.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> As is happening worldwide at the moment, this extreme El Niño wiped
> out
> >> >> many of the corals in the eastern Pacific.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Coral populations recover from such stress events through the
> >> >> proliferation
> >> >> of survivors and colonisation by new recruits from neighbouring
> >> >> less-impacted reefs. However, the more isolated a reef, the more
> >> >> self-reliant, and the higher the likelihood of local extinctions.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The study’s findings provide evidence that local conservation is
> >> >> essential
> >> >> for the sparse and poorly-protected, but economically and
> >> >> environmentally-important coral reefs of the eastern Pacific Ocean.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dr Wood concluded: “Our results demonstrate that it is even more
> >> >> important
> >> >> to conserve the genetic diversity of the remote reefs in this
> >> >> environmentally hostile part of the Pacific.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> “They’re on their own out there, so whatever we can do to protect
> them
> >> >> locally really will have an impact.”
> >> >>
> >> >> *Dr Sally Wood  *
> >> >>
> >> >> School of Earth Sciences, University of Bristol
> >> >> Wills Memorial Building, Queens Road, BRISTOL BS8 1RJ
> >> >> +44 (0)117 954 5429 | w: salwood.weebly.com | t: @SalWood82
> >> >> <https://twitter.com/SalWood82>
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