[Coral-List] Whats really killing the corals

Sat Jul 1 12:33:39 EDT 2017

Hello Magnus,  You are right.  But the problem of ignoring the root 
cause of most environmental problems has been around for a long time.  I 
was a graduate student in the 60s with Paul R. Ehrlich, who wrote "The 
Population Bomb" in 1968 and has since written 40 books and hundreds of 
articles and given countless lectures focusing on population, 
disproportionate resource use, poverty, war, pestilence, etc. People get 
"apocalypse fatigue" and the seduction of technological-engineering 
solutions (providing as you suggest opportunities for the privileged) 
trumps (sorry) the population problem.  People seem to  recognize 
population as a root cause but just don't want to discuss it.

OK, let's think bigly then...  Cheers, John

On 7/1/2017 12:01 PM, Magnus L Johnson wrote:
> I'm not sure focussed regional action will ever make a difference (except to keep privileged white folks in jobs in nice places).  Saving coral reefs (and other important habitats) requires a global change and an improvement in education, redistribution of wealth and general improvement in GDP accompanied by improved environmental appreciation/awareness.  We academics and environmentalists need to get out of our silos and think "bigly".
>
> As GDP increases birth rate falls
>
> http://radicaloptimism.org/wiki/Human_Society
>
> As education increases, particularly of women, birth rate falls
>
> http://www.earth-policy.org/data_highlights/2011/highlights13
>
> cheers, Magnus
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Dustan [mailto:dustanp at cofc.edu]
> Sent: 01 July 2017 01:06
> To: John Ogden <jogden at usf.edu>
> Cc: Eugene Shinn <eugeneshinn at mail.usf.edu>; coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa..gov
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Whats really killing the corals
>
> Dear Listers,
>     Has anyone thought about a poster that speaks to the fact that science, monitoring, conservation, and management have failed to stop the ecological collapse of the Florida Keys reefs as economic development and "progress"
> have dominated the region? Maybe the new slogan should be, "Imagine the Keys without corals"?
>    Phil
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Phillip Dustan <phil.dustan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Liters,
>>     Has anyone thought about a poster that speaks to the fact that
>> science,monitoring, conservation, and management have failed to stop
>> the ecological collapse of the Florida Keys reefs as economic
>> development and "progress" have dominated?
>>    Phil
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:51 PM, John Ogden <jogden at usf.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Or perhaps to put a finer point out there, it is the continuing,
>>> accelerating and relentless growth of the global human population.
>>>
>>> On 6/29/2017 2:16 PM, Eugene Shinn wrote:
>>>> With the Coral Reef Task Force meeting a little more than a month
>>>> away I pulled out an article I wrote for Sea Frontiers Magazine 28
>>>> years ago. I was stunned. I think many of you will agree it could
>>>> have been written yesterday. That’s how far we have come. I thank
>>>> the late Gilbert Voss for challenging me to write the piece in
>>>> 1989.  Gene
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.mari
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>> "When we try to pick out anything by itself we find that it is bound
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>> everything in the universe. "
>> *                                         John Muir 1869*
>>
>> *Bali Coral Bleaching 2016 video*
>>
>> *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxOfLTnPSUo
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