[Coral-List] Expert Disagreement in Climate

[Douglas Fenner]

Gene,
    Sorry, I was busy, didn't have time to respond.

Anyone who wants to check the Union of Concerned Scientists summary of the
trail of fossil fuel companies on climate change can do so easily at:

The Climate Change Deception Dossiers

Internal fossil fuel industry memos reveal decades of misinformation- a
deliberate campaign to deceive the public that continues even today.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/fight-misinformation/cl
imate-deception-dossiers-fossil-fuel-industry-memos#.WHlAmFMrLIU

Links are provided to the original documents produced by the companies.
You can read what they themselves wrote on the subject.

A good compliment to the history of the climate change denial industry that
Steve Mussman posted is much shorter and easily read:

A brief history of fossil-fueled climate denial.

https://skepticalscience.com/brief-history-fossil-fuelled-cl
imate-denial.html

Cheers,  Doug

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 5:47 AM, Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Thanks for providing Exxon Mobil's perspective on this issue.
>
> It's interesting to note that several sources have characterized Exxon
> Mobil as "the most important funding source" for climate change denial.
> Here is one source to consider (see p. 6 key actors).
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Riley_Dunlap/
> publication/284128276_Climate_change_denial
>
>  Since you "experienced it all",  do you have any direct knowledge of
> events or information that contradicts the position of the Union of
> Concerned Scientists that regardless of public statements to the contrary
> Exxon Mobil continues to support and promote misinformation regarding
> climate change?
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 12, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Eugene Shinn <eugeneshinn at mail.usf.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Charles, There was yet another aspect to the climate changes
> > issue. When I was with USGS in the early 1990s there was an unwritten
> > rule against using the term Global Warming. Climate change was a hot
> > political issue but work at the agency was restricted to climate changes
> > in the past not in the present. Many scientists kept out of trouble by
> > researching change during the geologic past. After I retired I was asked
> > to join the AAPG climate change committee where I served for 3 years. As
> > a committee we also opted for climate change rather than global warming..
> > Being geologists no one wanted to be branded with warming. We were all
> > familiar with climate change in the geologic past. Nevertheless our
> > committee was split down the middle with half on one side of the issue
> > and half on the other. I sat in the middle and learned lot. As a result
> > I was privy to every argument on every side of the issue. Little has
> > change since except that the issue has as become an order of magnitude
> > more political. No one was accusing the industry of funding skeptics to
> > create so called deniers back then. I recall being on TV news saying a 1
> > meter rise in sea level would flood 75% of the Florida Keys. No one
> > seemed to care at the time. That data came from our research paper
> > (Lidz, B.H., and Shinn, E.A., 1991, Paleoshorelines, reefs, and a rising
> > sea (South Florida): Journal of Coastal Research, v. 7, no. 1, p.
> > 203-229.)   I suggest listers  read
> > <Understanding%20the%20#ExxonKnew%20>http://corporate.
> exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/climate-policy/climate-perspectives
> >
> > Especially read the segment “Understanding the Exxon Knew controversy”
> >
> > I realize people will say this is just Exxon propaganda. It is not. I
> > know because I experienced it all. Gene
> >
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