[Coral-List] Expert Disagreement in Climate

Fri Mar 17 20:25:56 EDT 2017

Linda,
    I was able to access both of the links in my email just a few minutes
ago.  The "climate dossier" documents are down near the bottom of the page
of the first link, under the heading "Sources and resources" below the
image there are several links, such as "Deception Dossier #1" and so on up
to 7.  I was able to access those as well.
     May I suggest a more comprehensive treatment of the issue, in
Wikipedia, "ExxonMoble climate change controversy" at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_controversy  It is
extensively documented with 131 references (with annotations), all with
links to those original documents.  Plus there is a Bibliography with 15
additional documents, all with links, and "Selected ExxonMobile documents"
such as an Exxon 1977 presentation on the Greenhouse effect.
      Another Wikipedia page that might be of interest is about the book,
Merchants of Doubt, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt
      If anyone has access to other encyclopedias and they have articles on
this subject, that would be an interesting source.
      Cheers,  Doug

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Linda Pikula - NOAA Federal <
linda.pikula at noaa.gov> wrote:

> Doug,   I don't find that these links are working...Linda Pikula
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:54 AM, Douglas Fenner <
> douglasfennertassi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gene,
>>     Sorry, I was busy, didn't have time to respond.
>>
>> Anyone who wants to check the Union of Concerned Scientists summary of the
>> trail of fossil fuel companies on climate change can do so easily at:
>>
>> The Climate Change Deception Dossiers
>>
>> Internal fossil fuel industry memos reveal decades of misinformation- a
>> deliberate campaign to deceive the public that continues even today.
>>
>> http://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/fight-misinformation/cl
>> imate-deception-dossiers-fossil-fuel-industry-memos#.WHlAmFMrLIU
>>
>> Links are provided to the original documents produced by the companies.
>> You can read what they themselves wrote on the subject.
>>
>> A good compliment to the history of the climate change denial industry
>> that
>> Steve Mussman posted is much shorter and easily read:
>>
>> A brief history of fossil-fueled climate denial.
>>
>> https://skepticalscience.com/brief-history-fossil-fuelled-cl
>> imate-denial.html
>>
>> Cheers,  Doug
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 5:47 AM, Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for providing Exxon Mobil's perspective on this issue.
>> >
>> > It's interesting to note that several sources have characterized Exxon
>> > Mobil as "the most important funding source" for climate change denial..
>> > Here is one source to consider (see p. 6 key actors).
>> > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Riley_Dunlap/
>> > publication/284128276_Climate_change_denial
>> >
>> >  Since you "experienced it all",  do you have any direct knowledge of
>> > events or information that contradicts the position of the Union of
>> > Concerned Scientists that regardless of public statements to the
>> contrary
>> > Exxon Mobil continues to support and promote misinformation regarding
>> > climate change?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Steve
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On Jan 12, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Eugene Shinn <eugeneshinn at mail.usf.edu>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Thanks Charles, There was yet another aspect to the climate changes
>> > > issue. When I was with USGS in the early 1990s there was an unwritten
>> > > rule against using the term Global Warming. Climate change was a hot
>> > > political issue but work at the agency was restricted to climate
>> changes
>> > > in the past not in the present. Many scientists kept out of trouble by
>> > > researching change during the geologic past. After I retired I was
>> asked
>> > > to join the AAPG climate change committee where I served for 3 years..
>> As
>> > > a committee we also opted for climate change rather than global
>> warming..
>>
>> > > Being geologists no one wanted to be branded with warming. We were all
>> > > familiar with climate change in the geologic past. Nevertheless our
>> > > committee was split down the middle with half on one side of the issue
>> > > and half on the other. I sat in the middle and learned lot. As a
>> result
>> > > I was privy to every argument on every side of the issue. Little has
>> > > change since except that the issue has as become an order of magnitude
>> > > more political. No one was accusing the industry of funding skeptics
>> to
>> > > create so called deniers back then. I recall being on TV news saying
>> a 1
>> > > meter rise in sea level would flood 75% of the Florida Keys. No one
>> > > seemed to care at the time. That data came from our research paper
>> > > (Lidz, B.H., and Shinn, E.A., 1991, Paleoshorelines, reefs, and a
>> rising
>> > > sea (South Florida): Journal of Coastal Research, v. 7, no. 1, p.
>> > > 203-229.)   I suggest listers  read
>> > > <Understanding%20the%20#ExxonKnew%20>http://corporate.
>> > exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/climate-policy/climate-perspectives
>> > >
>> > > Especially read the segment “Understanding the Exxon Knew controversy”
>> > >
>> > > I realize people will say this is just Exxon propaganda. It is not. I
>> > > know because I experienced it all. Gene
>> > >
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>> Douglas Fenner
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>> "Belief in climate change is optional, participation is not."- Jim Beever.
>>   "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own
>> facts."-
>> Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
>>
>> Study: Stopping global warming only way to save coral reefs.
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-stopping-global-warming-
>> only-way-save-coral-180833431.html
>>
>> US Republican idea for tax on carbon makes climate sense
>> http://www.nature.com/news/us-republican-idea-for-tax-on-car
>> bon-makes-climate-sense-1.21477?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20170216&
>> spMailingID=53430881&spUserID=MjA1NTA3MjA0OQS2&spJobID=
>> 1102623693&spReportId=MTEwMjYyMzY5MwS2
>>
>> Last year was- again- the hottest year on record.
>> http://www.sciencemag.org/news/sifter/last-year-was-again-hottest-record
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-- 
Douglas Fenner
Contractor for NOAA NMFS, and consultant
"have regulator, will travel"
PO Box 7390
Pago Pago, American Samoa 96799  USA

phone 1 684 622-7084

Join the International Society for Reef Studies.  Membership includes a
subscription to the journal Coral Reefs, and there are discounts for pdf
subscriptions and developing countries.  Coral Reefs is the only journal
that is ALL coral reef articles, and it has amazingly LOW prices compared
to other journals.  Check it out!  www.fit.edu/isrs/

"Belief in climate change is optional, participation is not."- Jim Beever.
  "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts."-
Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

Study: Stopping global warming only way to save coral reefs.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-stopping-global-warming-only-way-save-coral-180833431.html

US Republican idea for tax on carbon makes climate sense
http://www.nature.com/news/us-republican-idea-for-tax-on-carbon-makes-climate-sense-1.21477?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20170216&spMailingID=53430881&spUserID=MjA1NTA3MjA0OQS2&spJobID=1102623693&spReportId=MTEwMjYyMzY5MwS2

Last year was- again- the hottest year on record.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/sifter/last-year-was-again-hottest-record