[Coral-List] annularis, faviolata, or franksi

Dennis Hubbard dennis.hubbard at oberlin.edu
Sun Aug 5 14:54:55 UTC 2018


Ken's post strikes at the heart of the discussion, at least for me. In
times long gone we had *M. annularis* (Ma) and *M. cavernosa* (Mc). The
dogma was that, the columnar morph was an adaptation to higher
sedimentation (polyps can manually shift sediment via tentacular action and
mucous). The more massive morph (now O. fr and fav) was the default shape
and the platy morph was the low-light adaptation - all of the same species.
Then, Nancy Knowlton came along and used one of the earliest examples of
genetics to show that Ma was actually three species (M fav, M. fr and A.
ann), but that M fav and M fr were actually in a different genus (
*Orbicella*). In the end *Montastrea (some would prefer Montastraea *to
spice up the taxonomic discussion arguing in favor of the the rules of
taxonomic nomenclature, only *M annularis* and *M cavernosa* remained in
the original species..

I tell this brief but convoluted story for two reasons. First, many (most?)
on the list may be unaware of this convoluted history and take it for
granted that taxonomy is a stable enterprise, thanks to the lack of
citation or earlier work in favor of the "latest" and "hottest" papers .
Second, I return to the point that these "forms" are biologically
responding to physical cues and that these characteristics are telling us
important things unrelated to the names we attach to specific colonies. In
the end, the challenge is to figure out how to respect the importance of
both nomenclature and function. Taxonomy is incredibly important when we
make comparisons across space (and, for us rock folks, add time -
paleontologists have to wrestle with long-term temporal connections in
which the roles of genetics vs environment vs evolution make life even more
problematic).

But, to get back to what I understand as the underlying thread, I think
that the argument should not be about the value of nomenclature vs
functional morphology vs other environmental relationships and genetics.
All have value and the goal is to figure out how to maintain the
connections among the different views. We need to make sure we have the
same species when we make site-to-site comparisons; if we are going to
argue about diversity, we need to correctly separate and lump things. At
the same time, we need to remember that morphologies are telling us things
that the names don't. And, in deference to Phil, reefs are disappearing
while we build on the stereotype of scientists sitting in "ivory towers"
ignoring the world around us.

My only concrete contribution to the thread is what I already said - might
a picture be worth a thousand words when it comes to seeking help from the
people who are really good at coral identification? If this is rambling, I
apologize - I'm in northern Maine "on vacation" and am getting ready to go
off the grid.

Dennis

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Kenneth Mattes <MKMattes at belizetrec.com>
wrote:

> In the shallow water back reef and lagoon by Ambergris Caye, Belize I have
> noticed for years what I have considered to be a species shift away from O.
> annularis towards O. faviolata and O. franksi.  We have seen for years O.
> annularis bleach and these other species right next to them not bleach. The
> characteristics we use to tell these species apart (colony structure with
> pigment intensity) were extremely rare in 1998 to 2005 or so. Now we see
> these everywhere and more abundant than what we are relatively sure is O.
> annullaris. Further, we have noticed and recorded parrot fish bites, common
> on O. annularis to be almost non existent on these other species. In
> response to Dennis's comments, we have not recorded much of this because we
> have never been sure of our identifications. But we know that there has
> been a shift in at least the features of Orbicella at locations that we
> have visited 500 times or more. Also - I'm actually a fish guy by training.
>
> Ken Mattes
>
> Belize TREC
>
> Tropical Research & Education Center
>
> San Pedro, Belize
>
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>    1. Re: Do coral studies lack crucial species information??
>       (Phil Dustan)
>    2. Re: Do coral studies lack crucial species information??
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> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:06:33 -0400
> From: Phil Dustan <dustanp at cofc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Do coral studies lack crucial species
>         information??
> To: "Paulay,Gustav" <paulay at flmnh.ufl.edu>
> Cc: Coral List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
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> Having watched the decline all over the world in every reef province
> knowing the species has dropped to the level of a curiosity at this moment
> in time for me.
> Why they die, what are the drivers, who is doing it is what needs to be
> dealt with in crisis mode. The rest becomes academic right now. Stop the
> bleeding and then find out what nationality a person is, or what color
> their skin is, or who their parents are/were....We are past the point of
> taxonomy. Whole reefs had died and are doing so as we waste time doing
> this. I may sound like a crazy but I have been there for a long time. We
> have developed techniques to monitor from genes to reefs from space - AND
> STILL THE CARNAGE CONTINUES. We know why but the average person does not
> even know how to tell a coral from a rock.............
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Paulay,Gustav <paulay at flmnh.ufl.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > And some corals die faster than others, and some will survive no matter
> > what we do, as they did other mass extinctions.  Knowing species is the
> > most basic human science, dating back well before cave-person days.
> > Besides, methods of species identification should be a fundamental part
> of
> > any scientific paper.  Check out the following article that gives
> > guidelines on how to communicate identification methods.  Ultimately, a
> > voucher in a public repository is the only way to fully archive your ID
> (a
> > more tricky bit for corals because of all the regulations).  Cheers -
> Gustav
> >
> > Meier, R. (2017). "Citation of taxonomic publications: the why, when,
> what
> > and what not." Systematic Entomology 42(2): 301-304.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:coral-list-bounces@
> > coral.aoml.noaa.gov] On Behalf Of Osmar Luiz Jr
> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
> > To: Phil Dustan <dustanp at cofc.edu>
> > Cc: Coral List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> > Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Do coral studies lack crucial species
> > information??
> >
> > Yes, it really does matter. Unless you are a believer of a
> > ?one-size-fits-all? management strategies for saving species. But truth
> is
> > that knowing exactly which species we are studying (and managing) is the
> > most basic knowledge to start with. Without this it it is just chaos that
> > hinders conservation as well.
> >
> > Osmar
> >
> >
> > > On 31 Jul 2018, at 12:46 am, Phil Dustan <dustanp at cofc.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good Grief Charlie Brown,
> > > When all the corals are dying faster than rats deserting a sinking
> > > ship does it really matter what we call them?
> > > It becomes an academic exercise that allows "science" to pontificate
> > > longer and not get down to the real business at hand.
> > >    Phil
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:02 AM, Douglas Fenner <
> > > douglasfennertassi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Russell,
> > >>    I thought the point of the insect article was that people
> > >> publishing studies of individual species, such as physiology or
> > >> whatever, commonly said they did their study on "Species X" and left
> > >> it with that.  No information to back up their identification, and no
> > >> way for a reader to be able to know the ID was correct or to check
> > >> the ID, since no voucher specimens were stored to document what was
> > >> studied.  We could take their word for it on faith, but do we really
> > want to base what we call "science"
> > >> on faith??  Scientific studies on individual species is a different
> > >> situation/question from people getting into the water and recording
> > >> units in the water, whether genus or species.  If a study involves
> > >> fieldwork in which a large number of colonies and species are
> > >> studied, generally they can't all be collected and often few or none
> > >> of those that could be collected are collected, for logistical
> reasons...
> > >>    A separate, different point is that the taxonomy of corals, that
> > >> is the applying of genus and species names to corals, is almost
> > >> entirely done with skeletons, a name is defined by skeleton
> > >> structures.  One genus, Euphyllia, has some species distinctions that
> > >> are partly based on tentacles.  When we get into the water and
> > >> identify corals, whether to genus or to species, we are only able to
> > >> use those aspects of the skeleton which can be seen through the
> > >> tissues, such as the colony shape and the larger shapes of things
> > >> like corallites, and without a microscope.  Generally, details of
> > >> septa are not visible under water, though there are some exceptions
> > >> such as in Fungia, and smaller structures like spines usually can't
> > >> be seen.  Our identifications in the water are in some sense
> > >> hypotheses which can be tested with examination of skeletons.  Even
> > >> the identification of a skeleton can be considered a hypothesis.  Part
> > of the problem with genera is that there are loads of differences between
> > species within genera.
> > >> Another is that the most fundamental level in taxonomy is the species.
> > >> That is why, for instance, the USA has an "Endangered Species Act"
> > >> but not an "Endangered Genus Act."  Indeed, species are not easy to
> > >> ID, at least in the Indo-Pacific.
> > >>    We are all definitely restrained by what is possible, and I think
> > >> ecologists will always need to identify species in the field.  It is
> > >> much easier with fish and with Caribbean corals than Indo-Pacific
> > >> corals.  I, too, feel that a logical first step is to learn some
> > >> genera, and then follow with learning species.  Genera are much
> > >> easier than species, and there are many fewer of them, so they make a
> > >> great starting point, I completely agree.
> > >>     But what my post was about, was whether people doing research on
> > >> specific corals on Indo-Pacific coral reefs (which includes the
> > >> Indian Ocean, Red Sea and Arabian/Persian Gulf in addition to the
> > >> Pacific), need to save voucher specimens and give some indication of
> > >> how species were identified, and by whom.  Or else, like insect
> > >> researchers, our research studies may be impossible to replicate,
> > >> because there is no sure way to know what species were studied.
> > >>      For some time, I have had a feeling, people have not valued
> > >> having someone with expertise identify their corals for them.  In the
> > >> Caribbean and Brazil, there is little need.  But in the Indo-Pacific
> > >> it is not a trivial matter.  No one would think of trying to survey
> > >> reef fish without identifying the individual species, you need
> > >> species by length and by numbers to calculate biomass.  We're lucky
> > >> with corals that we can measure coral cover without knowing what the
> > >> species are, but that leaves much important information uncollected.
> > >> Genera are a good start, but are not enough.  The wrasse family
> > >> includes the giant Humphead wrasse up to 7 feet long, plus many very
> > >> small wrasse species.  Surgeonfish include species with very
> > >> different diets and lifestyles.  And so on.  Same with corals
> > >> (American Samoa has a massive Porites colony that is 41 meters in
> > >> diameter, but also Stylaraea that looks almost identical to Porites
> > >> in the field, which is almost always well under 1 cm diameter, and
> they
> > surely have very different biology and ecology).
> > >>       Identification of Indo-Pacific corals always has some level of
> > >> uncertainty with it.  Uncertainty is lowest when done with skeletons
> > >> usually (except small fragments or badly damaged specimens), higher
> > >> with photos but that depends on the quality of photos, and probably
> > >> highest when done in the water without photos or skeletons collected.
> > >> If neither photos or skeletons are collected, there is no way to
> > >> check whether someone's ID is correct.  The more experience and
> > >> expertise the person has, the less uncertainty, and the less
> experience
> > and expertise the more uncertainty.
> > >> Checking type specimens and/or original descriptions increases
> > certainty.
> > >> But some type specimens are very poor, the earliest species named had
> > >> no type specimens, no photos (photography wasn't invented) or even
> > drawings.
> > >> Any language can be used in original descriptions, the earliest were
> > >> in Latin, I've seen an original description that consisted of two
> > >> sentences in Latin.  It could all hang on the meaning of one word in
> > >> Latin.  In many original descriptions, the information you may need
> > >> isn't in the description, and the type specimen is then the only
> > >> possible thing you can use.  It can be a nightmare (but certainly
> > >> isn't always, much of the time it is quite clear, especially with a
> > >> good type specimen).  For more of this story, take a peek at
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> > >> overview-of-coral-taxonomy/    Veron points out that species
> themselves
> > >> vary greatly in the level of uncertainty, which he explains in this
> > essay..
> > >> He also points out that genera and families also have their own
> > problems.
> > >>        For better or for worse, we're stuck with the Linnean species
> > >> naming system, because while some improvements have been made, no one
> > >> has come up with a better system.  To my knowledge, species cannot be
> > >> described and thus defined, on the basis of DNA only.  DNA sequence
> > >> results can certainly be included in the description, but
> > >> "description", at least in animals (but likely not in bacteria or
> > viruses) has to include morphology..
> > >> The names, fundamentally, correspond to morphology descriptions and
> > >> type specimens.  Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
> > >>        All this is not meant to deter people from starting a learning
> > >> journey with genera, that's the place to start and hopefully progress
> > >> is rapid and gratifying.  Yes, there is a place for surveying genera,
> > >> that's better than not surveying genera at all.  Plus it makes no
> > >> sense for everyone who surveys to dedicate their entire life to
> > >> trying to learn every coral species in the Indo-Pacific.  Some
> > >> specialization is surely more efficient, such as assembling teams
> > >> with different specialties or expertises.
> > >>      Cheers,  Doug
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:18 PM, russell @ BYOGUIDES <
> > >> russell at byoguides.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Doug
> > >>>
> > >>> *You wrote?. *
> > >>>
> > >>> *Many studies in the Indo Pacific report results only at the genus
> > >>> level, which are vastly easier to ID, and*
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *thus more certain.  But I think this is a potential problem for
> > >>> work donewith individual species in the Indo-Pacific.  What do you
> > >>> think?  We doneed information at the species level, species within
> > >>> genera differ on allkinds of things, and can differ in dramatic
> > >>> ways.*
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Doug - I agree we should all be mindful about taxonomic resolution
> > >>> in science / surveys / resource management / conservation etc. With
> > >>> the
> > >> advent
> > >>> of *Corals of the World* (COTW) Veron 2000 there existed for the
> > >>> first time a centralised framework for grappling with the Indo
> Pacific
> > fauna.
> > >>> However even this great achievement was overwhelming for the
> > >>> interested person at the beginning of their coral ID learning
> > >>> pathway. To make COTW more user friendly I created the Coral Finder
> > >>> to act as a Visual Index
> > >> into
> > >>> the three taxonomically arranged volumes -  a reverse engineered
> > >> practical
> > >>> solution if you will that unlocked the science within.
> > >>>
> > >>> Even with the changes being wrought by the molecular revisions the
> > >>> Coral Finder remains useful because it is primarily a Visual
> > >>> Decision Tool -
> > >> i.e.
> > >>> it works in the real world. To that end in my coral ID workshops I
> > >>> have opted for a ?learn the old - translate to the new? approach. In
> > >>> this way the interested person can still have the benefits of a
> > >>> practical visual learning pathway and be shielded from a complex,
> > >>> confusing taxonomy where the changes sometimes keep changing.
> > >>>
> > >>> That said I do feel the pace of change in the coral taxonomy
> > >>> literature
> > >> is
> > >>> starting to slow and that it is probably time for a new synthesis
> > >>> aimed
> > >> at
> > >>> the interested person. Because many of the changes are not outwardly
> > >>> visually intuitive I don?t look to the taxonomists for a solution
> > >>> here, I feel it will fall to someone with a science communication
> > >>> headspace to create the next fiendishly clever practical coral ID
> tool.
> > >>>
> > >>> To address your concerns with species level Indo Pacific coral ID.
> > >>> We've (the Coral Identification Capacity Building Program) trained
> > >>> over 600 people in coral ID in recent years and I always say at the
> > >>> beginning of
> > >> our
> > >>> workshops 'learn the genera and the species will come?. The
> > >>> challenge the is then to recognise the same species in different
> > >>> habitats and geographies. Many of the molecular changes
> > >>> (particularly as they relate
> > >> to
> > >>> the former family Faviidae) are not that surprising - field people
> > >>> understood that some names (both genus and species) were buckets
> > >>> awaiting further delineation. Well now some of these answers are at
> > >>> hand - the problem is that some of the molecular answers are not
> > >>> very intuitive for humans or field friendly. So wile I can
> > >>> understand the excitement for
> > >> those
> > >>> on the cutting edge of the coral taxonomy using the new techniques I
> > >> always
> > >>> try and sheet it back to the trying to teach this stuff in the field.
> > >>>
> > >>> To that end while it might be ?possible' to subdivide genera and
> > >>> their species I often feel that we will need to work with some of
> > >>> the old ?buckets? going forward - lets call them ?complexes?.
> > >>> Complexes are more likely to be teachable. If they need unpacking
> > >>> into their most granular units then we will need to fund that kind
> > >>> of detailed and specialised
> > >> work
> > >>> (molecular / micro-structural) which, even when you have the answer,
> > >>> will most likely only be comprehensible to a very small number of
> > >>> people bringing us back to the 'complex? as the lowest practical
> > >>> species level unit with management / conservation benefits.
> > >>>
> > >>> My fear is that if we continue to alienate 'interested people' from
> > >>> learning coral ID because it is 'too hard? then ultimately we might
> > >>> also provide management agencies and funders with an excuse to walk
> > >>> away from their resource management obligations because they don?t
> > >>> see practical application with tangible benefits. We need some kind
> > >>> of middle way that says ?We know there is more detail in this bucket
> > >>> - but for practical reasons we are going to manage the bucket.? In
> > >>> the interim coral surveys
> > >> at
> > >>> the genus level remain a useful, practical proxy for reef richness /
> > >>> health, and, if done systematically, can be used to detect change
> > >>> over time. You can train people to do them with modest resources and
> > >>> with a little extra effort we can even have people using the new
> names.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers
> > >>>
> > >>> Russ
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *Russell Kelley*
> > >>> *russell at byoguides.com <russell at byoguides.com>*
> > >>>
> > >>> Recipient 2017 Australian Coral Reef Society Medal for Science
> > >>> Advocacy
> > >>>
> > >>> Program Director
> > >>> Coral Identification Capacity Building Program
> > >>>
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Int. + 61 (0) 7  47804380 ph.
> > >>> Int. + 61 (0) 419 716730 mob.
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> > >>>
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> > >>> consultant.
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> > >>>
> > >>> On 21 Jul 2018, at 7:16 am, Douglas Fenner
> > >>> <douglasfennertassi at gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I recently spotted this piece (open access):
> > >>>
> > >>> Most insect studies lack crucial species information
> > >>>
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> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Farticles%2Fd41586-018-01541-
> > >> 0&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfd32d5e15c114331266308d5f62ec1fe%
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> > >>> utm_source=briefing-dy&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=2018020
> > >>> 5
> > >>>
> > >>> "Survey results suggest that a lot of entomology research could be
> > >>> impossible to replicate."
> > >>>
> > >>> "More than 98% of entomology papers contain so little species
> > >>> information on the insects being studied that they are essentially
> > >>> impossible to replicate, according to a survey of more than 550
> > >>> articles published in 2016."
> > >>> Come to think of it, I don't remember many studies on corals in the
> > >>> Indo-Pacific that include this kind of info.  May not be necessary
> > >>> in the Caribbean, where many of the corals are easy to ID, but
> > >>> nearly all Indo-Pacific coral species have at least one other
> > >>> species (usually
> > >>> several) that are the very devil to tell apart.  Many studies in the
> > >>> I-P report results only at the genus level, which are vastly easier
> > >>> to ID,
> > >> and
> > >>> thus more certain.  But I think this is a potential problem for work
> > >>> done with individual species in the Indo-Pacific.  What do you
> > >>> think?  We do need information at the species level, species within
> > >>> genera differ on
> > >> all
> > >>> kinds of things, and can differ in dramatic ways.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,  Doug
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Douglas Fenner
> > >>> Contractor for NOAA NMFS Protected Species, and consultant PO Box
> > >>> 7390 Pago Pago, American Samoa 96799  USA
> > >>>
> > >>> New online open-access field guide to 300 coral species in Chagos,
> > >>> Indian Ocean
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> > >>>
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> > >>> Large potential reduction in economic damages under UN mitigation
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> > >>> warm by 4oC)
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Douglas Fenner
> > >> Contractor for NOAA NMFS Protected Species, and consultant PO Box
> > >> 7390 Pago Pago, American Samoa 96799  USA
> > >>
> > >> New online open-access field guide to 300 coral species in Chagos,
> > >> Indian Ocean
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> > >> 2Fdaily%2Fintelligencer%2F2018%2F07%2Fclimate-change-
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> > >>
> > >> By getting serious about limiting global warming, the world could
> > >> save itself more than $20 trillion.  (action would cost only a half
> > >> trillion over 30 years, a third the cost of the Iraq war, benefits
> > >> would be 40 times costs, that's a huge return on investment)
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> > 2FCSsjyftQ0e8k3GBF8nXSyLef1pvyEMXRYGS%2BE%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >> rotection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3D&d=DwIGaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEV
> > >> G5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=4d4NDARC7s_Anx46ktFHBCandjuzuhJIzwQrtku9joE&m=Dit
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> > >> vxtfow-zg-q-Yplic&e=
> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fscience%2Fsciencenow%2Fla-
> > >> sci-sn-global-warming-costs-20180523-story.html&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%
> > >> 7Cfd32d5e15c114331266308d5f62ec1fe%7Ce285d438dbba4a4c941c593ba422
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> > >> kfk08
> > >> GR%2FUInouo%2Fq0c%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >>
> > >> Large potential reduction in economic damages under UN mitigation
> > >> targets (and 30% loss of world economy if the climate is allowed to
> > >> warm by 4oC)
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> > >> rotection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3D&d=DwIGaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEV
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> > >> vxtfow-zg-q-Yplic&e=
> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.readcube.com%2Farticles%2F10.1038%2Fs41586-
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> College of Charleston
> Charleston SC  20401
> Charleston SC
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> 843-224-3321 (m)
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> "When we try to pick out anything by itself
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> *                                         John Muir 1869*
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:49:08 -0400
> From: Dennis Hubbard <dennis.hubbard at oberlin.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Do coral studies lack crucial species
>         information??
> To: "Paulay,Gustav" <paulay at flmnh.ufl.edu>
> Cc: Coral List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> Message-ID:
>         <CAFjCZNYX4BnGgrm9WAH7OFynau3GZTNeMaFmjiaXRvn2NpWvMg at mail.
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>
> As one who makes no claim to be a taxonimist, I can appreciate Phil's
> frustration. As a geologist interested in reef structure, I also find
> myself worrying less about pedigrees and more about how the main corals
> generally fall into a relatively small number of genera/species that escape
> taphonomic loss (my ID problems extend to non-extant species)..
>
> The main tool for Quaternary Caribbean corals is Nancy Budd's NMITA page. I
> mostly use it to "compare shapes", count septa and look at the nature of
> the columella - admittedly crude. It strikes me that, with the advent of
> inexpensive digital cameras, someone could come up with a standard
> photographic protocol to take photos of Indo-Pacific species to post on
> something like this listserve for ID. Admittedly, this is not perfect, but
> if the state of taxonomhy is really where the emails have suggested, I have
> to assume the the minutiae of physiology are even more poorly understood.
>
> For detailed studies of specific corals, it seems incomprehensible that the
> researchers  can't figure out which species they are torturing in the lab.
> For field purposes, it strikes me that even with specific identifications
> based on both microstructure and DNA, struggling for perfect IDs can
> sometimes distract us from important ecological realities. For example, in
> all the great papers about *Montastrea* vs *Orbicella* over the years,
> there seems to be a selective loss of memory about Grauss and Macintyere's
> simple but elegant study that showed when you transplanted what we now
> call *O.
> faveolata* in deeper water, it takes on the common colony shape (platy) of
> *O.
> franksi *(and vice versa). Thus, the issue of morphologic plasticity within
> species and how that affects community composition has been largely lost in
> the arguments over ID methods. Telling these two apart from skeletal
> evidence is as simple as counting the different number of septa (for those
> who argue that paleontologists need morphological criteria - I didn't know
> this until I counted in the DR, duh!). However, if one is interested in how
> these species fit into Caribbean reef function, they may miss important
> ecologic subtleties if they spend all their time on IDs (been there and
> done it). Knowing your species in important, but it seems like the
> potential downsides of using some sort of simple photo-ID method for folks
> who need help are far less than the loss of information on distribution,
> changes in number, etc. while we focus on perfect field IDs.
>
> With apologies to taxonomists (including my wife, who is a paleontologist),
>
> Dennis
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Paulay,Gustav <paulay at flmnh.ufl.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > And some corals die faster than others, and some will survive no matter
> > what we do, as they did other mass extinctions.  Knowing species is the
> > most basic human science, dating back well before cave-person days.
> > Besides, methods of species identification should be a fundamental part
> of
> > any scientific paper.  Check out the following article that gives
> > guidelines on how to communicate identification methods.  Ultimately, a
> > voucher in a public repository is the only way to fully archive your ID
> (a
> > more tricky bit for corals because of all the regulations).  Cheers -
> Gustav
> >
> > Meier, R. (2017). "Citation of taxonomic publications: the why, when,
> what
> > and what not." Systematic Entomology 42(2): 301-304.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:coral-list-bounces@
> > coral.aoml.noaa.gov] On Behalf Of Osmar Luiz Jr
> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
> > To: Phil Dustan <dustanp at cofc.edu>
> > Cc: Coral List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> > Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Do coral studies lack crucial species
> > information??
> >
> > Yes, it really does matter. Unless you are a believer of a
> > ?one-size-fits-all? management strategies for saving species. But truth
> is
> > that knowing exactly which species we are studying (and managing) is the
> > most basic knowledge to start with. Without this it it is just chaos that
> > hinders conservation as well.
> >
> > Osmar
> >
> >
> > > On 31 Jul 2018, at 12:46 am, Phil Dustan <dustanp at cofc.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good Grief Charlie Brown,
> > > When all the corals are dying faster than rats deserting a sinking
> > > ship does it really matter what we call them?
> > > It becomes an academic exercise that allows "science" to pontificate
> > > longer and not get down to the real business at hand.
> > >    Phil
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:02 AM, Douglas Fenner <
> > > douglasfennertassi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Russell,
> > >>    I thought the point of the insect article was that people
> > >> publishing studies of individual species, such as physiology or
> > >> whatever, commonly said they did their study on "Species X" and left
> > >> it with that.  No information to back up their identification, and no
> > >> way for a reader to be able to know the ID was correct or to check
> > >> the ID, since no voucher specimens were stored to document what was
> > >> studied.  We could take their word for it on faith, but do we really
> > want to base what we call "science"
> > >> on faith??  Scientific studies on individual species is a different
> > >> situation/question from people getting into the water and recording
> > >> units in the water, whether genus or species.  If a study involves
> > >> fieldwork in which a large number of colonies and species are
> > >> studied, generally they can't all be collected and often few or none
> > >> of those that could be collected are collected, for logistical
> reasons...
> > >>    A separate, different point is that the taxonomy of corals, that
> > >> is the applying of genus and species names to corals, is almost
> > >> entirely done with skeletons, a name is defined by skeleton
> > >> structures.  One genus, Euphyllia, has some species distinctions that
> > >> are partly based on tentacles.  When we get into the water and
> > >> identify corals, whether to genus or to species, we are only able to
> > >> use those aspects of the skeleton which can be seen through the
> > >> tissues, such as the colony shape and the larger shapes of things
> > >> like corallites, and without a microscope.  Generally, details of
> > >> septa are not visible under water, though there are some exceptions
> > >> such as in Fungia, and smaller structures like spines usually can't
> > >> be seen.  Our identifications in the water are in some sense
> > >> hypotheses which can be tested with examination of skeletons.  Even
> > >> the identification of a skeleton can be considered a hypothesis.  Part
> > of the problem with genera is that there are loads of differences between
> > species within genera.
> > >> Another is that the most fundamental level in taxonomy is the species.
> > >> That is why, for instance, the USA has an "Endangered Species Act"
> > >> but not an "Endangered Genus Act."  Indeed, species are not easy to
> > >> ID, at least in the Indo-Pacific.
> > >>    We are all definitely restrained by what is possible, and I think
> > >> ecologists will always need to identify species in the field.  It is
> > >> much easier with fish and with Caribbean corals than Indo-Pacific
> > >> corals.  I, too, feel that a logical first step is to learn some
> > >> genera, and then follow with learning species.  Genera are much
> > >> easier than species, and there are many fewer of them, so they make a
> > >> great starting point, I completely agree.
> > >>     But what my post was about, was whether people doing research on
> > >> specific corals on Indo-Pacific coral reefs (which includes the
> > >> Indian Ocean, Red Sea and Arabian/Persian Gulf in addition to the
> > >> Pacific), need to save voucher specimens and give some indication of
> > >> how species were identified, and by whom.  Or else, like insect
> > >> researchers, our research studies may be impossible to replicate,
> > >> because there is no sure way to know what species were studied.
> > >>      For some time, I have had a feeling, people have not valued
> > >> having someone with expertise identify their corals for them.  In the
> > >> Caribbean and Brazil, there is little need.  But in the Indo-Pacific
> > >> it is not a trivial matter.  No one would think of trying to survey
> > >> reef fish without identifying the individual species, you need
> > >> species by length and by numbers to calculate biomass.  We're lucky
> > >> with corals that we can measure coral cover without knowing what the
> > >> species are, but that leaves much important information uncollected.
> > >> Genera are a good start, but are not enough.  The wrasse family
> > >> includes the giant Humphead wrasse up to 7 feet long, plus many very
> > >> small wrasse species.  Surgeonfish include species with very
> > >> different diets and lifestyles.  And so on.  Same with corals
> > >> (American Samoa has a massive Porites colony that is 41 meters in
> > >> diameter, but also Stylaraea that looks almost identical to Porites
> > >> in the field, which is almost always well under 1 cm diameter, and
> they
> > surely have very different biology and ecology).
> > >>       Identification of Indo-Pacific corals always has some level of
> > >> uncertainty with it.  Uncertainty is lowest when done with skeletons
> > >> usually (except small fragments or badly damaged specimens), higher
> > >> with photos but that depends on the quality of photos, and probably
> > >> highest when done in the water without photos or skeletons collected.
> > >> If neither photos or skeletons are collected, there is no way to
> > >> check whether someone's ID is correct.  The more experience and
> > >> expertise the person has, the less uncertainty, and the less
> experience
> > and expertise the more uncertainty.
> > >> Checking type specimens and/or original descriptions increases
> > certainty.
> > >> But some type specimens are very poor, the earliest species named had
> > >> no type specimens, no photos (photography wasn't invented) or even
> > drawings.
> > >> Any language can be used in original descriptions, the earliest were
> > >> in Latin, I've seen an original description that consisted of two
> > >> sentences in Latin.  It could all hang on the meaning of one word in
> > >> Latin.  In many original descriptions, the information you may need
> > >> isn't in the description, and the type specimen is then the only
> > >> possible thing you can use.  It can be a nightmare (but certainly
> > >> isn't always, much of the time it is quite clear, especially with a
> > >> good type specimen).  For more of this story, take a peek at
> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.p
> > >> rotection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3D&d=DwIGaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEV
> > >> G5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=4d4NDARC7s_Anx46ktFHBCandjuzuhJIzwQrtku9joE&m=Dit
> > >> kw8aMDl7BvphA6ycDfZUARfOk2HJdlNJ5b6WHI9I&s=0o42ZUW2mZORHclX3u3odyGk9y
> > >> vxtfow-zg-q-Yplic&e=
> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coralsoftheworld.org%2Fpage%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%
> > >> 7Cfd32d5e15c114331266308d5f62ec1fe%7Ce285d438dbba4a4c941c593ba422
> > >> deac%7C0%7C0%7C636685603056678720&amp;sdata=iGjBQdggod2w2e%2Bt9CckP%
> > >> 2FIvy4y%2BEDf5Y%2FnUs53P1UE%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >> overview-of-coral-taxonomy/    Veron points out that species
> themselves
> > >> vary greatly in the level of uncertainty, which he explains in this
> > essay..
> > >> He also points out that genera and families also have their own
> > problems.
> > >>        For better or for worse, we're stuck with the Linnean species
> > >> naming system, because while some improvements have been made, no one
> > >> has come up with a better system.  To my knowledge, species cannot be
> > >> described and thus defined, on the basis of DNA only.  DNA sequence
> > >> results can certainly be included in the description, but
> > >> "description", at least in animals (but likely not in bacteria or
> > viruses) has to include morphology..
> > >> The names, fundamentally, correspond to morphology descriptions and
> > >> type specimens.  Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
> > >>        All this is not meant to deter people from starting a learning
> > >> journey with genera, that's the place to start and hopefully progress
> > >> is rapid and gratifying.  Yes, there is a place for surveying genera,
> > >> that's better than not surveying genera at all.  Plus it makes no
> > >> sense for everyone who surveys to dedicate their entire life to
> > >> trying to learn every coral species in the Indo-Pacific.  Some
> > >> specialization is surely more efficient, such as assembling teams
> > >> with different specialties or expertises.
> > >>      Cheers,  Doug
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:18 PM, russell @ BYOGUIDES <
> > >> russell at byoguides.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Doug
> > >>>
> > >>> *You wrote?. *
> > >>>
> > >>> *Many studies in the Indo Pacific report results only at the genus
> > >>> level, which are vastly easier to ID, and*
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *thus more certain.  But I think this is a potential problem for
> > >>> work donewith individual species in the Indo-Pacific.  What do you
> > >>> think?  We doneed information at the species level, species within
> > >>> genera differ on allkinds of things, and can differ in dramatic
> > >>> ways.*
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Doug - I agree we should all be mindful about taxonomic resolution
> > >>> in science / surveys / resource management / conservation etc. With
> > >>> the
> > >> advent
> > >>> of *Corals of the World* (COTW) Veron 2000 there existed for the
> > >>> first time a centralised framework for grappling with the Indo
> Pacific
> > fauna.
> > >>> However even this great achievement was overwhelming for the
> > >>> interested person at the beginning of their coral ID learning
> > >>> pathway. To make COTW more user friendly I created the Coral Finder
> > >>> to act as a Visual Index
> > >> into
> > >>> the three taxonomically arranged volumes -  a reverse engineered
> > >> practical
> > >>> solution if you will that unlocked the science within.
> > >>>
> > >>> Even with the changes being wrought by the molecular revisions the
> > >>> Coral Finder remains useful because it is primarily a Visual
> > >>> Decision Tool -
> > >> i.e.
> > >>> it works in the real world. To that end in my coral ID workshops I
> > >>> have opted for a ?learn the old - translate to the new? approach. In
> > >>> this way the interested person can still have the benefits of a
> > >>> practical visual learning pathway and be shielded from a complex,
> > >>> confusing taxonomy where the changes sometimes keep changing.
> > >>>
> > >>> That said I do feel the pace of change in the coral taxonomy
> > >>> literature
> > >> is
> > >>> starting to slow and that it is probably time for a new synthesis
> > >>> aimed
> > >> at
> > >>> the interested person. Because many of the changes are not outwardly
> > >>> visually intuitive I don?t look to the taxonomists for a solution
> > >>> here, I feel it will fall to someone with a science communication
> > >>> headspace to create the next fiendishly clever practical coral ID
> tool.
> > >>>
> > >>> To address your concerns with species level Indo Pacific coral ID.
> > >>> We've (the Coral Identification Capacity Building Program) trained
> > >>> over 600 people in coral ID in recent years and I always say at the
> > >>> beginning of
> > >> our
> > >>> workshops 'learn the genera and the species will come?. The
> > >>> challenge the is then to recognise the same species in different
> > >>> habitats and geographies. Many of the molecular changes
> > >>> (particularly as they relate
> > >> to
> > >>> the former family Faviidae) are not that surprising - field people
> > >>> understood that some names (both genus and species) were buckets
> > >>> awaiting further delineation. Well now some of these answers are at
> > >>> hand - the problem is that some of the molecular answers are not
> > >>> very intuitive for humans or field friendly. So wile I can
> > >>> understand the excitement for
> > >> those
> > >>> on the cutting edge of the coral taxonomy using the new techniques I
> > >> always
> > >>> try and sheet it back to the trying to teach this stuff in the field.
> > >>>
> > >>> To that end while it might be ?possible' to subdivide genera and
> > >>> their species I often feel that we will need to work with some of
> > >>> the old ?buckets? going forward - lets call them ?complexes?.
> > >>> Complexes are more likely to be teachable. If they need unpacking
> > >>> into their most granular units then we will need to fund that kind
> > >>> of detailed and specialised
> > >> work
> > >>> (molecular / micro-structural) which, even when you have the answer,
> > >>> will most likely only be comprehensible to a very small number of
> > >>> people bringing us back to the 'complex? as the lowest practical
> > >>> species level unit with management / conservation benefits.
> > >>>
> > >>> My fear is that if we continue to alienate 'interested people' from
> > >>> learning coral ID because it is 'too hard? then ultimately we might
> > >>> also provide management agencies and funders with an excuse to walk
> > >>> away from their resource management obligations because they don?t
> > >>> see practical application with tangible benefits. We need some kind
> > >>> of middle way that says ?We know there is more detail in this bucket
> > >>> - but for practical reasons we are going to manage the bucket.? In
> > >>> the interim coral surveys
> > >> at
> > >>> the genus level remain a useful, practical proxy for reef richness /
> > >>> health, and, if done systematically, can be used to detect change
> > >>> over time. You can train people to do them with modest resources and
> > >>> with a little extra effort we can even have people using the new
> names.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers
> > >>>
> > >>> Russ
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *Russell Kelley*
> > >>> *russell at byoguides.com <russell at byoguides.com>*
> > >>>
> > >>> Recipient 2017 Australian Coral Reef Society Medal for Science
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> > >>> consultant.
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 21 Jul 2018, at 7:16 am, Douglas Fenner
> > >>> <douglasfennertassi at gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I recently spotted this piece (open access):
> > >>>
> > >>> Most insect studies lack crucial species information
> > >>>
> > >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.
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> > >>> utm_source=briefing-dy&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=2018020
> > >>> 5
> > >>>
> > >>> "Survey results suggest that a lot of entomology research could be
> > >>> impossible to replicate."
> > >>>
> > >>> "More than 98% of entomology papers contain so little species
> > >>> information on the insects being studied that they are essentially
> > >>> impossible to replicate, according to a survey of more than 550
> > >>> articles published in 2016."
> > >>> Come to think of it, I don't remember many studies on corals in the
> > >>> Indo-Pacific that include this kind of info.  May not be necessary
> > >>> in the Caribbean, where many of the corals are easy to ID, but
> > >>> nearly all Indo-Pacific coral species have at least one other
> > >>> species (usually
> > >>> several) that are the very devil to tell apart.  Many studies in the
> > >>> I-P report results only at the genus level, which are vastly easier
> > >>> to ID,
> > >> and
> > >>> thus more certain.  But I think this is a potential problem for work
> > >>> done with individual species in the Indo-Pacific.  What do you
> > >>> think?  We do need information at the species level, species within
> > >>> genera differ on
> > >> all
> > >>> kinds of things, and can differ in dramatic ways.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,  Doug
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Douglas Fenner
> > >>> Contractor for NOAA NMFS Protected Species, and consultant PO Box
> > >>> 7390 Pago Pago, American Samoa 96799  USA
> > >>>
> > >>> New online open-access field guide to 300 coral species in Chagos,
> > >>> Indian Ocean
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> > >>>
> > >>> By getting serious about limiting global warming, the world could
> > >>> save itself more than $20 trillion.  (action would cost only a half
> > >>> trillion over 30 years, a third the cost of the Iraq war, benefits
> > >>> would be 40
> > >> times
> > >>> costs, that's a huge return on investment)
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> > >> =0
> > >>>
> > >>> Large potential reduction in economic damages under UN mitigation
> > >>> targets (and 30% loss of world economy if the climate is allowed to
> > >>> warm by 4oC)
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> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Douglas Fenner
> > >> Contractor for NOAA NMFS Protected Species, and consultant PO Box
> > >> 7390 Pago Pago, American Samoa 96799  USA
> > >>
> > >> New online open-access field guide to 300 coral species in Chagos,
> > >> Indian Ocean
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> > >> How Did the Climate Apocalypse Become Old News?
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> > >> =0
> > >>
> > >> By getting serious about limiting global warming, the world could
> > >> save itself more than $20 trillion.  (action would cost only a half
> > >> trillion over 30 years, a third the cost of the Iraq war, benefits
> > >> would be 40 times costs, that's a huge return on investment)
> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.p
> > >> rotection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3D&d=DwIGaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEV
> > >> G5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=4d4NDARC7s_Anx46ktFHBCandjuzuhJIzwQrtku9joE&m=Dit
> > >> kw8aMDl7BvphA6ycDfZUARfOk2HJdlNJ5b6WHI9I&s=0o42ZUW2mZORHclX3u3odyGk9y
> > >> vxtfow-zg-q-Yplic&e=
> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fscience%2Fsciencenow%2Fla-
> > >> sci-sn-global-warming-costs-20180523-story.html&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%
> > >> 7Cfd32d5e15c114331266308d5f62ec1fe%7Ce285d438dbba4a4c941c593ba422
> > >> deac%7C0%7C0%7C636685603056688728&amp;sdata=Ac6txk5ZrpDNNG1GrXfh8pBK9
> > >> kfk08
> > >> GR%2FUInouo%2Fq0c%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >>
> > >> Large potential reduction in economic damages under UN mitigation
> > >> targets (and 30% loss of world economy if the climate is allowed to
> > >> warm by 4oC)
> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.p
> > >> rotection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3D&d=DwIGaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEV
> > >> G5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=4d4NDARC7s_Anx46ktFHBCandjuzuhJIzwQrtku9joE&m=Dit
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> > >> vxtfow-zg-q-Yplic&e=
> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.readcube.com%2Farticles%2F10.1038%2Fs41586-
> > >> 018-0071-9&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfd32d5e15c114331266308d5f62ec1fe%
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> > >> sdata=y%2BTsoJmeUWA3%2BzeScfgFoY0M0eJJXTGYHNo5MDEfg6Y%3D&amp;reserved
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> > >> G5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=4d4NDARC7s_Anx46ktFHBCandjuzuhJIzwQrtku9joE&m=Dit
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