[Coral-List] Coral List topics and length
Franziska Elmer
franziskaelmer at hotmail.com
Sun Jul 7 11:20:04 UTC 2019
Dear John and coral list,
Climate change has definitely been "spamming" up the coral list and I agree "enough is enough". But in a different way: We have to stop discussing and start acting. Climate change will likely lead to all our jobs being lost. We currently have the strongest movement for climate justice lead by school children and discussion of climate change peaked on coral list. Standing up for our reefs and jobs is easier than ever. But did we actually start doing something or do more? I am sure a lot of us did, but there is a hug potential for strong collective actions and statements from the coral scientist community. And our support and actions are needed NOW or these kids will lose the fight against time to save OUR jobs.
The next worldwide climate strike is on the 20th of September 2019
followed by a week of climate actions and another strike on the 27th of September.
There is a global climate change week from/for the academic community between October 14th to October 20th 2019
And then we have the ICRS next summer which we generally use for impactful statements about climate change.
Start thinking today of how you can contribute to these events. If anyone is organizing a collaborative action or wants to be part of one, email me please, that way we can start planning without spamming up corallist.
And maybe for the month of July when we feel like posting a climate change related post on corallist, we refrain from doing so and tell our friends and family about it instead. Talking about climate change with your loved ones is one of the most powerful actions you can do.
Best,
Franziska
Marine Ecology Faculty
School for Field Studies
Founder of climate pirates
http://franziskaelmer.weebly.com/climatepirate.html
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Coral List topics and length (Martin Moe)
2. Re: Coral List topics and length (Steve Mussman)
3. Re: Coral List topics and length (Bill Allison)
4. Re: Coral List topics and length (Judith Lang)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:26:19 +0000 (UTC)
From: Martin Moe <martin_moe at yahoo.com>
To: "coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov" <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>,
<jware at erols.com>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Coral List topics and length
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Youare correct, John, in a perfect world, or even in a less than perfect world ?Thepurpose of the Coral-List listserver is to provide a forum for Internetdiscussions and announcements pertaining to coral reef ecosystem research,conservation, and education.? I thought about this before I posted an articleexploring an aspect of religion that could/might negatively affect how humanitydirects its resources with regard to the future of environmental decline.Shortly after I hastily posted that, I regretted doing so. However, these arenot environmentally ?normal? times. Coral reefs are ecologically dynamic. Asmany on this list have pointed out, coral reefs are hot beds of environmentalchange, but on a human time scale these historical changes are glacial (as in establishinga time frame in reference to the movement of rivers of ice just hundreds of yearsago). The problems we are dealing with now at this time are either caused by,or greatly influenced by; the increasing presence and technolo
gical innovationsof a human population that has invaded almost every nook and cranny of theplanet. Most of the activities in coral reef science at this time are directed,and rightfully so, at what is causing and how to correct the rapid decline ofcoral reefs in this modern age of destruction of our natural environments. So Ithink it is quite appropriate to describe, discuss, investigate, and exploreways to prevent and preserve coral reefs in hopes of preventing the loss ofthese exceptional and critical environments. Politics and the results ofpolitical actions do impact the health and existence of coral reefs and shouldbe explored, documented, and corrected. Religion? Maybe not, but religion sometimes (maybeeven more often than that) influences politics, so sometimes old scientists with nothingto lose, may venture into verboten areas, at their own peril.
On Friday, July 5, 2019, 08:57:14 AM EDT, John Ware via Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
Dear List,
The following is copied from Coral List website:
*The purpose of the Coral-List listserver is to provide a forum for
Internet discussions and announcements pertaining to coral reef
ecosystem research, conservation, and education.*
This is followed by a list of appropriate subjects.? While there are no
restrictions, I do not see religion or politics on the list.
Also, I seem to recall that, a few years ago, there was a suggestion
that contributions to the list were becoming too long and perhaps
contributors should consider limiting their inputs to 200 words or so.
Am I the only one who is tired of seeing the same 4 or 5 people writing
to each other on topics that do not seem to fall into the purpose of the
list and are way, way, way too long??
I know that the Coral List is not restricted in topics and/or length and
I know climate change affects reefs, but, in my opinion, enough is enough!!
John
--
? John R. Ware, PhD
? President
? SeaServices, LLC
? 302 N. Mule Deer Pt.
? Payson, AZ 85541, USA
? 928 478-6358
? jware at erols.com
? http://www.seaservices.org
? Become a member of the International Society for Reef Studies
? http://www.coralreefs.org
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 13:58:06 -0400
From: Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
To: jware at erols.com, coral list <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Coral List topics and length
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Dear John,
All this is easily remedied via the delete button. The moderators do a great job as it is.
As far as discussing religion and politics on list, it is likely that we have all been schooled in the associated social improprieties, however from time to time these topics do have a way of entering into polite public discourse. The most recent post on list that appears to relate to your concerns was artfully presented, pertinent and certainly thought provoking. It was a bit lengthy, but then again no one here was required to take the time to consider all its tenets. As for climate change,I agree that enough is enough, so let?s do something about it!
Regards,
Steve Mussman
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 4, 2019, at 10:52 AM, John Ware via Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
>
> Dear List,
>
> The following is copied from Coral List website:
>
> *The purpose of the Coral-List listserver is to provide a forum for Internet discussions and announcements pertaining to coral reef ecosystem research, conservation, and education.*
>
> This is followed by a list of appropriate subjects. While there are no restrictions, I do not see religion or politics on the list.
>
> Also, I seem to recall that, a few years ago, there was a suggestion that contributions to the list were becoming too long and perhaps contributors should consider limiting their inputs to 200 words or so.
>
> Am I the only one who is tired of seeing the same 4 or 5 people writing to each other on topics that do not seem to fall into the purpose of the list and are way, way, way too long??
>
> I know that the Coral List is not restricted in topics and/or length and I know climate change affects reefs, but, in my opinion, enough is enough!!
>
> John
>
> --
>
> John R. Ware, PhD
> President
> SeaServices, LLC
> 302 N. Mule Deer Pt.
> Payson, AZ 85541, USA
> 928 478-6358
> jware at erols.com
> http://www.seaservices.org
>
> Become a member of the International Society for Reef Studies
> http://www.coralreefs.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Coral-List mailing list
> Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 14:35:42 -0400
From: Bill Allison <allison.billiam at gmail.com>
To: Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
Cc: coral list <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Coral List topics and length
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Hear hear.
On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 2:24 PM Steve Mussman via Coral-List <
coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
> Dear John,
>
> All this is easily remedied via the delete button. The moderators do a
> great job as it is.
> As far as discussing religion and politics on list, it is likely that we
> have all been schooled in the associated social improprieties, however from
> time to time these topics do have a way of entering into polite public
> discourse. The most recent post on list that appears to relate to your
> concerns was artfully presented, pertinent and certainly thought provoking.
> It was a bit lengthy, but then again no one here was required to take the
> time to consider all its tenets. As for climate change,I agree that enough
> is enough, so let?s do something about it!
>
> Regards,
> Steve Mussman
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 4, 2019, at 10:52 AM, John Ware via Coral-List <
> coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
> >
> > Dear List,
> >
> > The following is copied from Coral List website:
> >
> > *The purpose of the Coral-List listserver is to provide a forum for
> Internet discussions and announcements pertaining to coral reef ecosystem
> research, conservation, and education.*
> >
> > This is followed by a list of appropriate subjects. While there are no
> restrictions, I do not see religion or politics on the list.
> >
> > Also, I seem to recall that, a few years ago, there was a suggestion
> that contributions to the list were becoming too long and perhaps
> contributors should consider limiting their inputs to 200 words or so.
> >
> > Am I the only one who is tired of seeing the same 4 or 5 people writing
> to each other on topics that do not seem to fall into the purpose of the
> list and are way, way, way too long??
> >
> > I know that the Coral List is not restricted in topics and/or length and
> I know climate change affects reefs, but, in my opinion, enough is enough!!
> >
> > John
> >
> > --
> >
> > John R. Ware, PhD
> > President
> > SeaServices, LLC
> > 302 N. Mule Deer Pt.
> > Payson, AZ 85541, USA
> > 928 478-6358
> > jware at erols.com
> > http://www.seaservices.org
> >
> > Become a member of the International Society for Reef Studies
> > http://www.coralreefs.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Coral-List mailing list
> > Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> > https://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:15:11 -0400
From: Judith Lang <jlang at riposi.net>
To: martin_moe Moe <martin_moe at yahoo.com>,
coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Coral List topics and length
Message-ID: <11A57A30-EFAE-428D-B7B8-34CCEE298DA2 at riposi.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hello Martin,
You rarely post to the coral-list, and your ocasional entries are carefully conceptualized, well documented and clearly stated. Complicated concepts often deserve ?plenty words" to explain. Writing for myself, please continue to occsionally share the results of your explorations.
Judy Lang
AGRRA Scientific Coordinator
> On Jul 5, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Martin Moe via Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
>
> Youare correct, John, in a perfect world, or even in a less than perfect world ?Thepurpose of the Coral-List listserver is to provide a forum for Internetdiscussions and announcements pertaining to coral reef ecosystem research,conservation, and education.? I thought about this before I posted an articleexploring an aspect of religion that could/might negatively affect how humanitydirects its resources with regard to the future of environmental decline.Shortly after I hastily posted that, I regretted doing so. However, these arenot environmentally ?normal? times. Coral reefs are ecologically dynamic. Asmany on this list have pointed out, coral reefs are hot beds of environmentalchange, but on a human time scale these historical changes are glacial (as in establishinga time frame in reference to the movement of rivers of ice just hundreds of yearsago). The problems we are dealing with now at this time are either caused by,or greatly influenced by; the increasing presence and technol
ogical innovationsof a human population that has invaded almost every nook and cranny of theplanet. Most of the activities in coral reef science at this time are directed,and rightfully so, at what is causing and how to correct the rapid decline ofcoral reefs in this modern age of destruction of our natural environments. So Ithink it is quite appropriate to describe, discuss, investigate, and exploreways to prevent and preserve coral reefs in hopes of preventing the loss ofthese exceptional and critical environments. Politics and the results ofpolitical actions do impact the health and existence of coral reefs and shouldbe explored, documented, and corrected. Religion? Maybe not, but religion sometimes (maybeeven more often than that) influences politics, so sometimes old scientists with nothingto lose, may venture into verboten areas, at their own peril.
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2019, 08:57:14 AM EDT, John Ware via Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
>
> Dear List,
>
> The following is copied from Coral List website:
>
> *The purpose of the Coral-List listserver is to provide a forum for
> Internet discussions and announcements pertaining to coral reef
> ecosystem research, conservation, and education.*
>
> This is followed by a list of appropriate subjects. While there are no
> restrictions, I do not see religion or politics on the list.
>
> Also, I seem to recall that, a few years ago, there was a suggestion
> that contributions to the list were becoming too long and perhaps
> contributors should consider limiting their inputs to 200 words or so.
>
> Am I the only one who is tired of seeing the same 4 or 5 people writing
> to each other on topics that do not seem to fall into the purpose of the
> list and are way, way, way too long??
>
> I know that the Coral List is not restricted in topics and/or length and
> I know climate change affects reefs, but, in my opinion, enough is enough!!
>
> John
>
> --
>
> John R. Ware, PhD
> President
> SeaServices, LLC
> 302 N. Mule Deer Pt.
> Payson, AZ 85541, USA
> 928 478-6358
> jware at erols.com
> http://www.seaservices.org
>
> Become a member of the International Society for Reef Studies
> http://www.coralreefs.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Coral-List mailing list
> Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
> https://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list
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