[Coral-List] cooperation and the tragedy of the commons

[Douglas Fenner]

You are probably not miss-remembering, but I know little about economics.
However, in recent times economic valuations often include "non-use"
values, which for reefs can sometimes be more than the use values.  People
value just knowing some things exist, even if they are unlikely to make use
of it.  If the survey covers enough people, then the non-use value can be
quite large even if the amount per person is quite small.  Someone please
correct me if I have this wrong.
Cheers,  Doug

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:30 AM Dennis Hubbard <dennis.hubbard at oberlin.edu>
wrote:

> As I remember this element of reasoning wrt the "commons", economists
> basically argue that nothing has "value" until someone uses it. Am I
> mis-remembering?
>
> Dennis
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 3:36 PM Ehsan KAYAL via Coral-List <
> coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Dear Douglas and other colleagues. Long ago, the myth of the tragedy of
>> the
>> commons has been debunked by economists and other scholars (see here for
>> instance: https://economicquestions.org/tragedy/). I believe it is time
>> we
>> biologist also accept the fallacy of such theory.
>> Cheers,
>> E
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>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 16:05, Douglas Fenner via Coral-List <
>> coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> > The cure to the tragedy of the commons?  Cooperation
>> > (In reef fisheries)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.hakaimagazine.com/news/the-cure-to-the-tragedy-of-the-commons-cooperation/
>> >
>> >
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>> > Douglas Fenner
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>> > A call to climate action  (Science editorial)
>> >
>> >
>> https://science.sciencemag.org/content/364/6443/807?utm_campaign=toc_sci-mag_2019-05-30&et_rid=17045989&et_cid=2840296
>> >
>> > New book "The Uninhabitable Earth"  First sentence: "It is much, much
>> worse
>> > than you think."
>> > Read first (short) chapter open access:
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/read-a-chapter-from-the-uninhabitable-earth-a-dire-warning-on-climate-change
>> >
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>> >
>> >
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-- 
Douglas Fenner
Ocean Associates, Inc. Contractor
NOAA Fisheries Service
Pacific Islands Regional Office
Honolulu
and:
Consultant
PO Box 7390
Pago Pago, American Samoa 96799  USA

A call to climate action  (Science editorial)
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/364/6443/807?utm_campaign=toc_sci-mag_2019-05-30&et_rid=17045989&et_cid=2840296

New book "The Uninhabitable Earth"  First sentence: "It is much, much worse
than you think."
Read first (short) chapter open access:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/read-a-chapter-from-the-uninhabitable-earth-a-dire-warning-on-climate-change

Want a Green New Deal?  Here's a better one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/want-a-green-new-deal-heres-a-better-one/2019/02/24/2d7e491c-36d2-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html?utm_term=.a3fc8337cbf8