[Coral-List] ICRS2020 and remote meetings

Wed Sep 18 22:55:54 UTC 2019

Dear Osmar,

It is a fact, that leading by example based on knowledge, may help to
change behaviors !!

Airlines may diminish the prices at the beginning when there are not
too many passangers and need to keep the same scheduled flights.
However, if they notice a trend, the basic offer/demand concept will
favor the reduction of flights. We have seen less flights in some
companies in Colombia during the low touristic season e.g Capurgana.

Due to "Structural Factors" composed of: population, distance,
alternative modes of transport, and system of established routes. The
influence of population size is evident, that is, the population
determines the size of the market and this influences transport demand
aerial. It is intended that the greater the population, the greater
the demand for air transport will be. Several authors have tried to
quantify this influence, but there has not been a single fact Exactly
(Fridström and Thune-Larsen, 1989; Fleming and Ghobrial, 1994;
Rendaraju and ThamizhArasan, 1992).

If you still need long distance transportation, look for
carbon-neutral flights
https://www.alternativeairlines.com/eco-friendly-airlines

2019-09-16 6:23 GMT-05:00, Osmar Luiz via Coral-List
<coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>:
> A true basic offer/demand concept means that less people flying will just
> makes the flights cheaper. Encouraging more people mo travel nevertheless.
> Its not denying, I really wish that individual actions like these would
> work, but it isn’t realistic. At least not for flying
>
> Cheers
> Osmar
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>> On 16 Sep 2019, at 7:18 am, frahome--- via Coral-List
>> <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> It's amazing to see scientists being affected by the same sort of denial
>> as politicians when it comes to take personal actions.No, flights won't
>> continue as scheduled if reef scientists and all other people concerned
>> about the future of our reefs/planet/society will decide to reduce their
>> flying. It's basic offer/demand concept. This applies to all other
>> impacting activities and aspects of our lifestyle. And yes being
>> sustainable and walking the talk might also mean missing to dive in
>> Indonesia if that doesn't fit in our per capita emission budget (0.6t/y
>> according to a previous post on this thread). There are many other amazing
>> things in life with lower footprints, including trying to live a
>> sustainable lifestyle and motivating others to do so. When we ask for
>> "system change" what are we asking for? Some measure that will allow us to
>> continue our business as usual while emissions and impacts are magically
>> reduced?Asking to have a "system change" without taking personal actions
>> is like stating that we are not willing to do what needs to be done to be
>> sustainable until someone makes it compulsory for us (in this case system
>> change should tax so much air travel that we won't be able to afford it).
>> I am sure that as well-educated, concerned scientists we could do better
>> than the average Joe.Wouldn't be better to ask system change from the
>> position where we already embrace that change and ask to make it
>> compulsory for those that have not embraced it yet?It seems we say we want
>> to save the reefs but then we say we are not willing to bring our
>> footprint down to what would make it possible.
>> Francesca
>>
>>    On Sunday, September 15, 2019, 04:35:39 PM GMT+2, Gregory Boland via
>> Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Great point Peter.  Just back on list with personal email after a year in
>> retirement. As an over-the-hill "sometimes" coral reef scientist, we
>> struggled constantly relating the value of networking and face-to-face
>> science conference meetings to management my entire 20-year career at
>> MMS/BOEM.  Many requests for travel were granted, but not nearly enough to
>> keep scientists in touch with the cutting-edge and fully inspire future
>> research needs.  I have not noticed a mention of the elephant in the room:
>> are folks talking about a carbon reduction of one less passenger on an
>> Airbus 330 or whatever flying RT to the conference being measurable? Would
>> 100 less passengers make a difference? Will all flights continue as
>> scheduled regardless of how many coral reef scientists decide to watch
>> presentations on a computer?  Great heart-felt philosophy, but.. just
>> saying... (take care of your feet, the world needs them).
>>
>> Greg Boland
>> retired Biological Oceanographer
>>
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>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 7:50 PM
>> To: Grottoli, Andrea <grottoli.1 at osu.edu>; coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>> <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
>> Subject: [Coral-List] ICRS2020 and remote meetings
>>
>> Well spoken Andrea, and congratulations to the organizing committee to
>> have thought carefully about how to green the ICRS meetings.  Science
>> could shoot itself in the foot if it were to address climate change by
>> reducing opportunities for face-to-face interaction at conferences.  Coral
>> reef scientists should all be trying to walk the walk on climate change,
>> but there are many ways of doing this - avoiding our one global
>> quadrennial meeting seems an unwise solution to the problem.  That said,
>> as an over-the-hill reef scientist I am not planning to travel to Bremen -
>> I wish those who do, the best possible meeting, and the invigoration of
>> research ideas such a meeting can provoke.  Those of us who attended the
>> second ICRS on board the Marco Polo never forgot that experience, and I
>> can think of a number of subsequent ICRS meetings that were equally worth
>> travelling to.
>>
>> Peter Sale
>> University of Windsor
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