[Coral-List] Octopus punches fishes

Eduardo Sampaio edusilvasampaio at gmail.com
Tue Dec 29 15:10:25 UTC 2020

Hi Francesca,

Sorry, I continued the conversation in private with Bill, Steve, and David,
and I guess I ended up not making it clear what I meant on the list server.
I copy it here:

About the vertebrate/octopus issue, what I meant is that I don't think that
octopuses should be looked at as a special case 'among animals'. We should
definitely take better care of all animals that we use for our benefits,
and raise the ethical cares of handling, be it livestock, aquaculture, or
any other industry!

All the best

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 at 15:02, frahome at yahoo.com <frahome at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I guess you meant to say "they should NOT be treated as vertebrates are".
> Such kind of statements makes me wondering: are we actually all aware how
> we are treating vertebrates? Fish, pigs, chickens, cows and calfs, goats,
> sheep, lambs not to mention all sort of wildlife up to primates?
> Let's have a look a little beyond the plate sitting in front of us,
> especially during holiday season.
> The octopous are amazing, so they are all other animals (even if not all
> punch).
> Francesca
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020, 09:04:40 PM GMT+1, Eduardo Sampaio via
> Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
> Hi David,
> Glad you liked it!
> There is also a rising interest on (and feasibility of) octopus aquaculture
> which is bringing some ethical questions into light. Personally, I think
> they should be treated as vertebrates are.
> Regarding the train track, I'm actually not sure (researchers from Eilat
> that are part of this list will know better), but maybe it was related with
> the underwater 'habitat' that was active there some years ago under Hans
> Fricke? If someone can answer, I would love to know as well.
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 11:54, David Blakeway <
> fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Great! Thanks Eduardo. They are quite beautiful and mysterious.
> > It makes me a little depressed that our Western Australian government has
> > just approved a large scale wild catch fishery of the local O. tetricus
> > without, as far as I can see, any ethical considerations. The title of
> the
> > government report says it all:
> > Octopus resource of Western Australia harvest strategy 2018-2022.
> > What is the train-track looking thing in video 1?
> >
> >
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