[Coral-List] climate change could kill all reefs

Tue Feb 25 18:35:48 UTC 2020

And my understanding is that acidification is greater at higher latitudes.
My guess was that this presentation was saying that there are very very few
places which are likely to escape both bleaching temperatures and
acidification.   Cheers, Doug

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 1:25 AM Alina Szmant via Coral-List <
coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:

> Facts to consider:  Latitudinal limits of environmental suitability for
> reef building corals is more than just temperature. Nutrient concentrations
> of coastal waters increase with latitude, favoring more eutrophic community
> structure: more algae, more sponges that outcompete corals. Also
> photoperiod changes with, in general, less light during many months of the
> year, so this will also affect coral  growth rates and competitive outcome
> with faster growing benthic organisms.
>
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> From: Coral-List <coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> On Behalf Of
> Steve Mussman via Coral-List
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:19 PM
> To: Dennis Hubbard <dennis.hubbard at oberlin.edu>
> Cc: coral list <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] climate change could kill all reefs
>
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
> Here are a few links to papers/articles that discuss the viability of
> moving corals to preferred habitats in order to offset warming conditions.
> Of course, assisted migration as a strategy for coral survival under
> conditions associated with rapid climate change raises lots of questions
> just as many current restoration efforts do.
>
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00338-014-1145-2
>
> https://www.nap.edu/read/25279/chapter/6
>
> https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/7/7/201/htm
>
>
> https://www.newswise.com/articles/coral-immigrants-provide-hope-for-reefs-facing-climate-change
>
> https://nsac.law.miami.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Bartz-Final.pdf
>
>
> I thought this recent paper was of particular interest for it provides an
> assessment of assisted migration vs. assisted evolution of corals on reefs
> under increasing stress from climate change.
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12065-0
>
> Regards,
> Steve Mussman
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> >> On Feb 21, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Dennis Hubbard via Coral-List <
> coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
> > This is truly sobering information. As those on the list are well
> > aware, I am not a fan of coral transplanting unless it occurs in
> > places where the problem that has caused the dieoff do not exist (the
> > oft-used "putting people back in burning buildings" analogy). However,
> > given the shrinking number of viable alternatives, I wonder if we
> > might might think about moving some corals to sites further north or
> > south (depending on the
> > hemisphere) where temperatures could be more conducive to survival
> > during heating events. A lot of thought would obviously have to be
> > given to things like possibly greater thermal variability at new
> > sites, the likelihood that non-thermal stresses that might exist at
> > particular sites and the extent to which other factors (e.g., sediment
> > input, wave climate, substrate type that is different from the present
> > site) might be less than ideal. Has anyone given any thoughts to
> > scenarios where distance might serve as a proxy for temperature? In
> > years past, I might have been the first one to chime in with, "are you
> kidding?", but....
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 3:27 PM Douglas Fenner via Coral-List <
> > coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> Climate change could kill all of the world's coral reefs by 2100,
> >> scientists warn
> >>
> >> https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB10bzFz?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare
> >>
> >> Warming, acidic oceans may nearly eliminate coral reef habitats by
> >> 2100
> >>
> >>
> >> https://news.agu.org/press-release/warming-acidic-oceans-may-nearly-e
> >> liminate-coral-reef-habitats-by-2100/
> >>
> >>
> >> Few places would be left where coral restoration would be viable.
> >>
> >> Open-access.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Doug
> >>
> >> --
> >> Douglas Fenner
> >> Lynker Technologies, LLC, Contractor
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> >>
> >> "Already, more people die
> >> <http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/hazstats.shtml>from
> >> heat-related causes in the U.S. than from all other extreme weather
> >> events."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.npr.org/2018/07/09/624643780/phoenix-tries-to-reverse-its
> >> -silent-storm-of-heat-deaths
> >>
> >>
> >> Even 50-year old climate models correctly predicted global warmng
> >>
> >> https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/even-50-year-old-climate-mode
> >> ls-correctly-predicted-global-warming?utm_campaign=news_weekly_2019-1
> >> 2-06&et_rid=17045989&et_cid=3113276
> >>
> >> "Global warming is manifestly the foremost current threat to coral
> >> reefs, and must be addressed by the global community if reefs as we
> >> know them will have any chance to persist."  Williams et al, 2019,
> >> Frontiers in Marine Science
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"Already, more people die  <http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/hazstats.shtml>from
heat-related causes in the U.S. than from all other extreme weather events."

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/09/624643780/phoenix-tries-to-reverse-its-silent-storm-of-heat-deaths

Even 50-year old climate models correctly predicted global warmng
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/even-50-year-old-climate-models-correctly-predicted-global-warming?utm_campaign=news_weekly_2019-12-06&et_rid=17045989&et_cid=3113276

"Global warming is manifestly the foremost current threat to coral reefs,
and must be addressed by the global community if reefs as we know them will
have any chance to persist."  Williams et al, 2019, Frontiers in Marine
Science