[Coral-List] Octopus punches fishes

[Beki Thomson]

Thanks for the link, Steve.
By cognitive, do you mean purposeful?
If so, what do you imagine the purpose might be? (Not that I don't have my
own theories.)
Best,
Beki
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 11:22 AM Steve Mussman via Coral-List <
coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:

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> More on octopuses as vertebrates.
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> https://loweringthebar.net/2015/05/octopus-honorary-vertebrate.html
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> p.s. I still maintain that the octopus’s punch was an example of cognitive
> behavior.
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> Regards,
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> Steve Mussman
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> On 12/29/20, 10:10 AM, Eduardo Sampaio via Coral-List <
> coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
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> Hi Francesca,
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> Sorry, I continued the conversation in private with Bill, Steve, and David,
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> and I guess I ended up not making it clear what I meant on the list server.
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> I copy it here:
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> About the vertebrate/octopus issue, what I meant is that I don't think that
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> octopuses should be looked at as a special case 'among animals'. We should
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> definitely take better care of all animals that we use for our benefits,
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> and raise the ethical cares of handling, be it livestock, aquaculture, or
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> any other industry!
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> All the best
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> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 at 15:02, frahome at yahoo.com wrote:
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> > I guess you meant to say "they should NOT be treated as vertebrates are".
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> > Such kind of statements makes me wondering: are we actually all aware how
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> > we are treating vertebrates? Fish, pigs, chickens, cows and calfs, goats,
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> > sheep, lambs not to mention all sort of wildlife up to primates?
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> > Let's have a look a little beyond the plate sitting in front of us,
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> > especially during holiday season.
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> > The octopous are amazing, so they are all other animals (even if not all
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> > punch).
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> > Francesca
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> >
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> > On Tuesday, December 22, 2020, 09:04:40 PM GMT+1, Eduardo Sampaio via
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> > Coral-List wrote:
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> > Hi David,
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> >
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> > Glad you liked it!
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> > There is also a rising interest on (and feasibility of) octopus
> aquaculture
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> > which is bringing some ethical questions into light. Personally, I think
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> > they should be treated as vertebrates are.
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> > Regarding the train track, I'm actually not sure (researchers from Eilat
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> > that are part of this list will know better), but maybe it was related
> with
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> > the underwater 'habitat' that was active there some years ago under Hans
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> > Fricke? If someone can answer, I would love to know as well.
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> >
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> > On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 11:54, David Blakeway <
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> > fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Great! Thanks Eduardo. They are quite beautiful and mysterious.
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> > > It makes me a little depressed that our Western Australian government
> has
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> > > just approved a large scale wild catch fishery of the local O. tetricus
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> > > without, as far as I can see, any ethical considerations. The title of
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> > the
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> > > government report says it all:
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> > > Octopus resource of Western Australia harvest strategy 2018-2022.
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> > > What is the train-track looking thing in video 1?
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> > >
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> > >
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