[Coral-List] acropora alternative opinion
Michael Risk
riskmj at univmail.cis.mcmaster.ca
Tue Oct 9 20:50:28 EDT 2007
Hello John, James.
What you state is demonstrably so. The real problem is that we are
preaching to the choir, while the twin businesses of resume-padding and
government blindness continue.
At this point, I cannot resist quoting from Paradise Lost (Risk, 1999),
which by now is almost a decade old. Prediction #3:
"(3) Reefs as some of us knew them will have vanished
from much of the inhabited coastlines of the globe by the end
of the next decade."
Although we still have 3 years to go, if Florida has gone from >60% to
4%, and the rest of the Caribbean has followed suit-I rest my case.
What earthly good could a Coral Reef Conference possibly be?
Mike
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:25:29 -0400
John Ware <jware at erols.com> wrote:
> James,
>
> I couldn't agree more. One of the points of greatest frustration to
> me
> is all the discussion about MPAs and reef restoration (and I know
> that
> Tom is heavily involved in this) and related topics when the real
> problems are global in extent. I greatly fear that reefs as we know
> them are doomed (is that too strong?). One you get right down to it,
>
> the number one problem for reefs is people - too darn many of them
> and
> too much consumption of goods.
>
> No amount of restoration, MPAs, monitoring, genetic analysis, and on
> and
> on are addressing the real problem.
>
> See you at 2008 ICRS?
>
> John
>
> James Cervino PhD. wrote:
>
> >Hi John, You said "Inability of larvae to cross freshwater outflows"
> however,
> >dont you agree that the number one hindrance of "progress in terms
> of fitness
> >and adaptation" is due to the persistantance of HEAT stroke induced
> bleaching
> >in the next decade.
> >
> >There will be no pot of gold here in terms of movement to a higher
> >latitude....as they will not escape the catastrophe that is
> awaiting. We need
> >to be calling for massive cuts in emissions of heat trapping gasses
> at this
> >next Symposium as there is no MPA on this planet that will protect
> them if we
> >dont address the true threat to reefs, which are greenhouse gass
> emissions and
> >the pollutants that are spewing off our coasts into reef habitats.
> >
> >Cheers, James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Quoting John Ware <jware at erols.com>:
> >
> >* And keep in mind that progress of reefs towards higher latitudes
> can be
> >* constrained by the inability of larvae to cross freshwater
> outflows from
> >* rivers.
> >*
> >* John
> >*
> >* delbeek at waquarium.org wrote:
> >*
> >* >buiscuil <pascal.mege at gmail.com> said:
> >* >
> >* >
> >* >
> >* >>Even IF what the paper tries to make us
> >* >>
> >* >>
> >* >believe (which is, for those who did not read it, that Acropora
> will benefit
> >* >from global warming by extending their range northward) were
> true, is seems
> >* >very unwise to me to stop efforts for global warming limitations.
> <
> >* >
> >* >I find it interesting that they note that their range may extend
> northwards
> >* >(what they will grow on is of course another question) they fail
> to mention
> >* >that their old stomping grounds may get too hot for them to
> survive.
> >* >Therefore, while they may spread northward, the rear could
> disappear.
> >* >
> >* >Sincerely,
> >* >
> >* >
> >* >
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