[Coral-List] La Nina and global warming

[Bill Allison]

1. I did not particularly have Gene in mind.
2. I distinguish between skeptics (e.g. Gene) and contrarians.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Greg Challenger <gchallenger at msn.com> wrote:
> I dont see any shameless exploitation from Gene Shin.
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> Can you help direct me to his shameless exploitation?
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> Greg E. Challenger
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>> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:44:51 -0500
>> From: allison.billiam at gmail.com
>> To: gchallenger at msn.com
>> CC: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] La Nina and global warming
>>
>> One more time: scientific conclusions are inherently uncertain and
>> this fact is shamelessly exploited by those merchants of doubt, the
>> climate change contrarians.
>>
>> Greg Challenger wrote: "Isnt it a good thing that those who question
>> the certainty of any scientific conclusion be scientifically literate?
>> I understand folks feel their data and conclusions are absolutely
>> correct, but has anyone ever been absolutely correct about any data or
>> conclusions?
>>
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>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Greg Challenger <gchallenger at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > "one of the most disturbing aspects of this discussion is the fact that
>> > many
>> > contrarians are scientifically literate and most certainly capable of
>> > complex
>> > intellectual analysis."   Steve Mussman
>> >
>> > First let me point out I am not a contrarian.  I think there is a lot of
>> > compelling evidence. Nonetheless, I find this statement disturbing.  Isnt it
>> > a good thing that those who question the certainty of any scientific
>> > conclusion be scientifically literate?  I understand folks feel their data
>> > and conclusions are absolutely correct, but has anyone ever been absolutely
>> > correct about any data or conclusions?
>> >
>> > I thoroughly enjoy Gene's comments and am not so sure that those who
>> > question can be dismissed so easily.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Greg E. Challenger
>> > Marine Scientist/Principal
>> > Polaris Applied Sciences, Incorporated
>> > 12525 131st Ct NE Kirkland, WA 98034
>> > 425-823-4841
>> > 425-823-3805 fx
>> > 206-369-5686 cell
>> > visit us at: www.polarisappliedsciences.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:39:52 -0500
>> >> From: sealab at earthlink.net
>> >> To: coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov
>> >> Subject: [Coral-List] La Nina and global warming
>> >>
>> >> Got to admit, Gene's climate change "pokings" can sometimes be
>> >> disquieting.
>> >> But at the same time this discourse should be vigorously encouraged.
>> >> The positions that he conveys, though inciting consternation, stand as
>> >> a
>> >> reminder of the extent and complexity of the task at hand.
>> >> No one seriously involved in the debate relating to anthropogenic
>> >> climate change is suggesting that the skeptics are "dummies". Quite the
>> >> contrary,
>> >> one of the most disturbing aspects of this discussion is the fact that
>> >> many
>> >> contrarians are scientifically literate and most certainly capable of
>> >> complex
>> >> intellectual analysis. Though Gene seems to preclude many members of
>> >> congress
>> >> from this group, politicians will simply continue to do what
>> >> politicians do.
>> >> That is to say, they will position themselves on the issues based on
>> >> what is
>> >> most likely to result in prolonging their incumbency.
>> >> Again this realization prioritizes the need for more effective
>> >> communication
>> >> by the scientific community directly designed to affect public opinion.
>> >> If the best climate science becomes more clearly expressed, it will
>> >> change public
>> >> opinion and the politicians will follow. Expecting insightful political
>> >> leaders
>> >> to courageously rise up and advance the fight on principle will likely
>> >> prove futile.
>> >> But don't underestimate them, our politicians can understand the
>> >> science..
>> >> Its just that first and foremost their interests lay in the next
>> >> election cycle,
>> >> not in the ramifications of policy positions that may not damage their
>> >> prospects
>> >> for decades.
>> >>
>> >> As Gene mentioned, the political winds have recently changed.
>> >> Perhaps he is spot on to suggest that the focus of concern should be to
>> >> assure
>> >> that pure science weathers this storm. For although there is little
>> >> evidence of
>> >> adequate resolve, I hesitate to envision the resulting turmoil
>> >> engulfing future
>> >> generations if science surrenders.
>> >>
>> >> Steve
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